Kakashi vs Guy

[PrinceofPeace]

Ya thats right

both have full knowledge
no prep
bloodlusted
fighting where they are now
50m distance

who wins

I say Guy FINNALLY WINS!!

He can make the hand seal for Afternoon tiger faster than Kakashi can un-veal his headband and switch to MS and then use kaumi

[Kakashi11]

I say Guy FINNALLY WINS!!

He can make the hand seal for Afternoon tiger faster than Kakashi can un-veal his headband and switch to MS and then use kaumi

But Kakashi was fighting at the same speed as Juubi Naruto

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Kamui.

[PrinceofPeace]

And guy was fighting at the speed of kakashi

[MinatoXNaruto]

Kamui GG

[PrinceofPeace]

Hidora? Unlikely

[Fukai Tsumi]

I'm for Gai here, sheer speed and insta-kill moves.

[PrinceofPeace]

Guy can make the hand seal and use Hidora before Kakashi can reveal his headband and kaumi it away.... even if Kakashi could kaumi something the size of a bijju Guy can still go gates afterwards and punish Kakashi

[Godaime Kazekage]

Guy can make the hand seal and use Hidora before Kakashi can reveal his headband and kaumi it away.... even if Kakashi could kaumi something the size of a bijju Guy can still go gates afterwards and punish Kakashi

Assuming Kakashi can't take his headband off fast enough to Kamui Guy before he uses Hirudora he can now Kamui himself to avoid the attack. Kakashi wins this battle easily. He has shown that he can keep up with Guy well, has a much larger jutsu arsenal and his Kamui is now even more broken than before.

[JLI2infinity]

Assuming Kakashi can't take his headband off fast enough to Kamui Guy before he uses Hirudora he can now Kamui himself to avoid the attack. Kakashi wins this battle easily. He has shown that he can keep up with Guy well, has a much larger jutsu arsenal and his Kamui is now even more broken than before.

I'm for Gai here, assuming Kishi didn't just make a mistake and Gai can now use Hirudora in base he can use one of the strongest moves in the show instantly.

But instantly using Kamui and Hirudora is out of character for both of them. If they started off fighting in base Gai would have the advantage because he's better in taijutsu, then Kakashi would start using techniques and Gai would lose the upper hand, then Gai would start powering up with the gates and then Kakashi would have to use Kamui. The fight would come down to who executes their move with the best timing. But any fan can just say their character is better and give feats, hype, etc.

Kishi has made this the big Jiraiya vs. Oro, the PTS Naruto vs PTS Sasuke of the manga. We can debate all night long about who can beat whom. He knows both characters have enormous fandoms and he consistently scales them both in accordance with one another.

[PrinceofPeace]

Assuming Kakashi can't take his headband off fast enough to Kamui Guy before he uses Hirudora he can now Kamui himself to avoid the attack. Kakashi wins this battle easily. He has shown that he can keep up with Guy well, has a much larger jutsu arsenal and his Kamui is now even more broken than before.

Don't forget Kakashi would have to go into MS as well which would take time regardless of his headband

[Saiyan]

Kakashi

It's redundant to say why.

[PrinceofPeace]

its redundant to ask people like you to give proof instead of giving a basis opinon:)

[Fukai Tsumi]

I'm for Gai here, assuming Kishi didn't just make a mistake and Gai can now use Hirudora in base he can use one of the strongest moves in the show instantly.

But instantly using Kamui and Hirudora is out of character for both of them. If they started off fighting in base Gai would have the advantage because he's better in taijutsu, then Kakashi would start using techniques and Gai would lose the upper hand, then Gai would start powering up with the gates and then Kakashi would have to use Kamui. The fight would come down to who executes their move with the best timing. But any fan can just say their character is better and give feats, hype, etc.

Kishi has made this the big Jiraiya vs. Oro, the PTS Naruto vs PTS Sasuke of the manga. We can debate all night long about who can beat whom. He knows both characters have enormous fandoms and he consistently scales them both in accordance with one another.

Bloodlusted. They'll pull out all the stops for victory, regardless of what they'd usually do.

[PrinceofPeace]

^Way to go dude! your getting the hang of this

[321zigzag3]

So why can't Kakashi in theory use a Bunshin trick on Gai immediately in conjunction with Kamui?

You know how it works.

[PrinceofPeace]

It's plausible.... yet Hidora is not a single direct attack. It covers a large area. It may not be as powerful as Afternoon tiger in gated form but it is still a covers enough of the land to hit both clone Kakashi and the imposter.

I do not believe Kakashi can make a clone while unvealing his headband while switching to Kaumi

Also if Kakashi makes a clone and tries to switch to MS while revealing his eye than that gives time for Guy to go into gates.

Plus Guy use Hidora when he was near death once so he could do it twice from the get go AT LEAST

Hidora is around the size of Sussanoo so it would take a lil bit of time for Kakashi to Kaumi it away.... in that time Guy can go gates or fire another Hidora

[321zigzag3]

Kakashi has a tendency to go underground as well with his jutsu.

Also, Kakashi apparently can Kamui himself.

If I recall Kakashi managed to Kamui the 8 tails the latest chapter?

[PrinceofPeace]

Yes Kakashi could go underground... but he is only stalling. This gives Guy time to go gates. I think Hidora tore up most of the ground when Guy used it in base. Either way Guy has more time. Kakashi is just running away instead of fighting
What would Kakashi do after he went underground?

Yes Kakashi can kaumi himself but it is still new to him so it would be slower besides if he uses kaumi on himself then that is LEAVING THE BATTLEFIELD which by BG standards means Kakashi forfeit the match thus losing. Plus it would be obvious when he comes back to fight

You recall correctly but it took a lot out of him. If he tried to Kaumi hidora Guy can still attack while Kakashi is doing this

[321zigzag3]

Do you not recall he is capable of going anywhere in the ground and pop up anywhere?
Plus combine that with a clone.

Kakashi can kamui almost instanteously now at least thats what Tobi found out.

[mirai colorles]

bloodlusted battle between these two? kamui would likely be deadly even for gai, but dont sleep on the 8th gate

[321zigzag3]

8th gate will be probably called Midnight Dragon.

[Nigoyukai]

I'm seeing a win for Kakashi atm. Insta-Kamui which should allow him to teleport inside his dimension and can send Gai to the same dimension + Comparable speed gives Kakashi the speed + hax combo advantage.
Not to mention genjutsu and an abundance of versatile ninjutsu to support him in executing out Kamui.

[mirai colorles]

8th gate will be probably called Midnight Dragon.

yeah, and it will punch the juubi into da moon and kick madara into tha sun (or visa versa). kishi gotta step up with 8th gate, its the most hyped thing in the manga since part 1

[PrinceofPeace]

@Nigoyukaie
-If Kakashi leaves the battlefield to go into Kaumiland that is a RIngout by BG standards so Kakashi just gave up the fight

Kakashi is not fast enough with the kumai to use it before Guy makes ONE HAND SEAL
(especially when kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS)

Genjutsu does not effect Guy (at least on visual)

Afternoon tiger>>>>Any of Kakashi's jutsu

[Roronoa Zoro]

Kakashi autowins for being awesome :03:

[mirai colorles]

@Nigoyukaie
-If Kakashi leaves the battlefield to go into Kaumiland that is a RIngout by BG standards so Kakashi just gave up the fight

Kakashi is not fast enough with the kumai to use it before Guy makes ONE HAND SEAL
(especially when kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS)

Genjutsu does not effect Guy (at least on visual)

Afternoon tiger>>>>Any of Kakashi's jutsu

well in a bloodlusted situation, kakashi would have his sharingan revealed beforehand anyways

also how would the kamui dimension be considered a ringout? its kakashis ability. but regardless when bloodlusted kakashi uses it to attack (the only instance of bloodlusted kakashi was when he threatened to "take out madara/tobi" with kamui, with which tobi replied "dont bother kakashi, techniques like that dont work on me", so he did not. but in that mindset, kakashi attacks with kamui. so the defensive aspects of kamui, are less of an immediate thread to gai than the offensive aspects

[321zigzag3]

yeah, and it will punch the juubi into da moon and kick madara into tha sun (or visa versa). kishi gotta step up with 8th gate, its the most hyped thing in the manga since part 1

I want to see Jubi destroy the moon just because I think it will be hilarious.

[mirai colorles]

I want to see Jubi destroy the moon just because I think it will be hilarious.

as in the vs forum drama that will ensue will be hilarious? `:|.... . . .. . . . ;)

but it seems likely to happen, after juubi flicked hachibi like a fly last chapter


but whats more likely? gai kicking edo madara into the sun causing a super nova of exploding youth:cool:

[321zigzag3]

Jubi is incomplete and is missing 8 and 9 tails.

If anything its 7 tails with a little over that makes up Jubi for now. Its still missing a considerable chunk of its power considering especially the absence of the whole Kyuubi.

Rikudo remakes earth casually. Or even worse, Nagato returns, remakes the planet, and seals the Jubi and Rikudo remakes the universe.

Oh that would be so hilarious.

[PrinceofPeace]

well in a bloodlusted situation, kakashi would have his sharingan revealed bis eforehand anyways
No I believe if he had prep he would have revealed and switched to MS.

also how would the kamui dimension be considered a ringout?
its kakashis ability.
because Kakashi left the dimenion/battlefield. It is like a wrestler teleporting away from the battle. The wrestler gave up. i dont see how running away helps Kakashi... not that he could do it fast enough
but regardless when bloodlusted kakashi uses it to attack (the only instance of bloodlusted kakashi was when he threatened to "take out madara/tobi" with kamui, with which tobi replied "dont bother kakashi, techniques like that dont work on me", so he did not. but in that mindset, kakashi attacks with kamui. so the defensive aspects of kamui, are less of an immediate thread to gai than the offensive aspects

So you are saying that Guy can not make ONE HAND SEAL before he is kaumi'd away?

Guy would quickly make the hand seal and send the tiger towards the foe. It would take Kakashi a longer time to Kaumi Hidora

[mirai colorles]

So you are saying that Guy can not make ONE HAND SEAL before he is kaumi'd away?

Guy would quickly make the hand seal and send the tiger towards the foe. It would take Kakashi a longer time to Kaumi Hidora

well as fast as gais attacks are, a direct kamui by nature of what kakashi can visually track and has been shown to visually track with his sharingan, is still likely faster. and you mention hand seals, when sharingan, especially a sharingan wielder as adept as kakashi, can read and react to handseals. so kakashis kamui can see things more than adeptly enough to attack with kamui. so it is obviously not in gais interest to stay still against kakashi, and he is one of the few fighters in the vs with the speed and agility to potentially counter certain facets of kamui in combat (such as only the attacking aspect, or only the defensive, but not both. and kakashi is beginning to experiment with the defensive aspects of kamui as well)

but this is why bloodlusted battles are kinda iffy to debate. in character battles in which the characters have full intent to battle, but they are still in character, are usually more fitting to such discussions, and also more interesting to debate than just "x character spams his/her most powerful technique/y characer spams his/her most powerful technique" as is commonly seen in bloodlusted threads

[PrinceofPeace]

In character threads are the worst. Only Kishi knows what a character would do. We can not say cuz the situations are different. WIth bloodlusted anything can happen and we are not bound to anything so it is easier and free

Prove Kakashi can Kaumi a fast human being that does not want to be kaumi'd that is firing a powerful taijutsu!!!
Guy would make a hand seal before Kaumi is finished. How would Kakashi Kaumi Hidora???

Kakashi bloodlusted does not mean he is dressed off bloodlused from the start

[Saiyan]

its redundant to ask people like you to give proof instead of giving a basis opinon:)

"People like me"... You're taking this way too far.

He has a sharingan. If you've watched this show and read this manga you would know that having a sharingan and being a main character makes you stupid op and undestructable.

That was the obvious reason, I didn't think I had to actually say it.

I don't know why you would neg me over it, if you wanted my opinion so bad there it is. If you have a problem with me next time send me a pm all you had to do was ask me to elaborate.

[mirai colorles]

In character threads are the worst. Only Kishi knows what a character would do. We can not say cuz the situations are different. WIth bloodlusted anything can happen and we are not bound to anything so it is easier and free

Prove Kakashi can Kaumi a fast human being that does not want to be kaumi'd that is firing a powerful taijutsu!!!
Guy would make a hand seal before Kaumi is finished. How would Kakashi Kaumi Hidora???

Kakashi bloodlusted does not mean he is dressed off bloodlused from the start

well the proper way of wording it would be "in character with intent to kill" as some may say, in that the characters fight as they normally do (nonbloodlusted), but with full intent to kill

gai would be better of moving and using pure taijutsu than anything with handseals against kakashi, as since kakashis sharingan can undeniably track gais handseals, than his sharingan can visually kamui gai before the handseal is finished. its not that gais handseals are slow, its just that handseal techniques are not the way to counter kamui

[Sagepain]

Kakashi should be able to Kamui anything Guy sends at him in time and from there he can just Kamui Guy if he stops moving.

He's been able to Kamui Susano'o arrows which are pretty fast.

[PrinceofPeace]

@Sagepain

-Susanoo arrow<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<hidora

Hidora is way stronger and covers a much wider area. While Kakashi is TRYING to Kaumi it Guy can blitz him

[PrinceofPeace]

well the proper way of wording it would be "in character with intent to kill" as some may say, in that the characters fight as they normally do (nonbloodlusted), but with full intent to kill

gai would be better of moving and using pure taijutsu than anything with handseals against kakashi, as since kakashis sharingan can undeniably track gais handseals, than his sharingan can visually kamui gai before the handseal is finished. its not that gais handseals are slow, its just that handseal techniques are not the way to counter kamui

it is a way to counter Kakashi revealing his sharigan and switiching to MS then using Kaumi

Kakashi has not shown to Kaumi a human with resistance

[Nigoyukai]

@Nigoyukaie
-If Kakashi leaves the battlefield to go into Kaumiland that is a RIngout by BG standards so Kakashi just gave up the fight

Kakashi is not fast enough with the kumai to use it before Guy makes ONE HAND SEAL
(especially when kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS)

Genjutsu does not effect Guy (at least on visual)

Afternoon tiger>>>>Any of Kakashi's jutsu
- Why? That's like saying Obito using his intangibility fully constitutes as BFR. The dimension is part of Kakashi's technique. He's still going to combat the enemy and can go in and out whenever he wants. If he stays inside that dimension, then you can consider that as BFR.
-Kakashi warped a moving BM Naruto in an instant, warped something as big as the Hachibi very quickly, warped missiles, and has shown to be on the same speed level as Obito, Gai, and Naruto. All of this just by looking at the target. It's unlikely that Gai will activate up to the 7th Gate, make the unique handseal for Hirutora, and unleash the air punch before Kakashi takes off his headband, reveals the MS (which will be done by the time he removed that headband), and aims his eye at Gai to activate Kamui. If Gai fires that air punch, it'd better cross that 50 meter distance very quickly, otherwise it enters the space warped by Kamui and it gets teleported.
-Still has an abundance of ninjutsu to support him.

[PrinceofPeace]

- Why? That's like saying Obito using his intangibility fully constitutes as BFR.
no cuz he is still visible and on the battlefield. He did not leave the diemension entirely.He is still at risk in the battle. He can be intanbiable but he did not warp to kaumiland
The dimension is part of Kakashi's technique. He's still going to combat the enemy and can go in and out whenever he wants. If he stays inside that dimension, then you can consider that as BFR.
whats BFR???
-Kakashi warped a moving BM Naruto in an instant,
naruto wanted it to happen abd it was not an attack
warped something as big as the Hachibi very quickly,
also wanted it to happen and it was not an powerful physical attack
warped missiles,
slowly and was not big as hidora
and has shown to be on the same speed level as Obito, Gai, and Naruto.
Gai has to make one hand seal while Kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS and then fire Kaumi.... Kakashi is not that fast
All of this just by looking at the target. It's unlikely that Gai will activate up to the 7th Gate, make the unique handseal for Hirutora, and unleash the air punch before Kakashi takes off his headband, reveals the MS (which will be done by the time he removed that headband),
MY POINT EXACTLY!!! (@what I put in bold)
Guy does not NEED to go into the 7th game to use Hiutora!!!!!!!! He just needs to form the special hand sign!!!!!!!
and aims his eye at Gai to activate Kamui. If Gai fires that air punch, it'd better cross that 50 meter distance very quickly, otherwise it enters the space warped by Kamui and it gets teleported.
even IF kakashi could kaumi that attack Guy would blitz him before he could finish/retailiate
-Still has an abundance of ninjutsu to support him.
Which all fail to Hidoura

[Black Phoenix]

Kakashi has the sharingan so he can copy any taijutsu ninjutsu or genjutsu except a gekegenkai which I think Gai has none so Kakashi can copy all of his moves. Kakashi already knows most of Gais move for Kakashi has fought Gai or have seen Gai fight already. This gives Kakashi the upper hand in a fight between Kakashi and Gai.

[PrinceofPeace]

Just cuz Kakashi can copy does not mean it will be as strong as guys attack

[Black Phoenix]

Gais own attacks may be stronger thenKakashis copy of them but Kakashi knows them none the less and can predict Gais moves then change his own move accordingly.

[Mundus]

honestly i think hirudora is useless here, kakashi can read his chakra remember, which means if guys chakra flares up, kakashi knows a big attack is coming, now to u prince

u never said guy starts in eight gates so by the time kakashi reveals sharingan guy is in 8 gates giving kakashi time while guy is powering up in 8 gates kakashi uses kamui and im pretty sure kakashi will have ms activated b4 he flips his headband,

[PrinceofPeace]

@BP
-so what would Kakashi do. You gotta be more specific there bro

@Mundas
-Guy does not have to be in gates to use Hidora.

[Black Phoenix]

Ok Gui uses Dynamic Injury a lot so if he was going to use it Kakashi could tell by the things Gui did before he preformed his Dynamic Injury so Kakashi knows the range and limitations of his taijutsu then gets out of range and per forms a long ranged ninjutsu like Fire Ball Jutsu

[Mundus]

ugh prince its hirudora not hidora, anyway if so it would then b a weakened version, that means kakashi can freakishly dodge it, which he usually does wit big moves =_=, or he sets up defense n counters with lightning wolf

[PrinceofPeace]

Look at chp 608 and please tell me how he counters or dodges something that overpowered Madara using susanoo

[Mundus]

by using kamui to break it down n make it vanish just like he did when deidara killed himself

[JLI2infinity]

Bloodlusted. They'll pull out all the stops for victory, regardless of what they'd usually do.

Bloodlusted means they have no restraint in killing, not that they act out of character. Pulling out their best moves to start a fight is something they wouldn't do for tactical reasons not emotional ones. Both of them like to try out some of their more basic moves to get a feel of their opponent before they attack. Sorry but not quite, Prince you'll have to keep teaching him.

And to everyone saying Kakashi Kamui's Hirudora, I think you are forgetting that the technique can apparently be used in two ways. In one form it takes the physical manifestation of a tiger and grabs onto a target while sending it flying before it explodes, this is what we saw against Madara. However, in the other form which was used on Kisame, the technique condenses into a highly pressurized and focused strike which hits a small area on the target, in other words unless Kakashi knows exactly where the strike will land he can't Kamui it away. I guess you could argue that by looking at Gai's hands he can see where he's aiming but that doesn't help much since it condenses after it's released and all Gai does is perform the handsigns to initiate the attack.

Kakashi could just open up a huge dimensional gate and Kamui away the entire tiger but look what happened after he Kamui'd away Bee's tentacle, even with the Kyuubi buff he couldn't even stand afterwards. Gai on the other hand has been shown to still be able to fight for a short time after using the 7 gates.

[PrinceofPeace]

by using kamui to break it down n make it vanish just like he did when deidara killed himself

That is not a good example on my part cuz it took Kakashi a while to kaumi that away and hidoura is more powerful than that explosion clone

[Mundus]

he could go old school n use headhunter jutsu while guys doing it,

[PrinceofPeace]

What's headhunter again?

[Mundus]

the jutsu he used on pts sasuke to pull him underground

[BMC1994]

honestly i think hirudora is useless here, kakashi can read his chakra remember, which means if guys chakra flares up, kakashi knows a big attack is coming, now to u prince

u never said guy starts in eight gates so by the time kakashi reveals sharingan guy is in 8 gates giving kakashi time while guy is powering up in 8 gates kakashi uses kamui and im pretty sure kakashi will have ms activated b4 he flips his headband,

As guy obviously stated hirudora is not chakra hence it could beat kisame chakra eating shark missle.

[PrinceofPeace]

the jutsu he used on pts sasuke to pull him underground

Read the last two pages of chp608 it was an instant attack that did damage to the ground as well . Do you think guy will fall for an attack that got a nube like saskue ? Kakashi was barely trying . Overall Kakashi would get caught in hidoura even if he went underground cuz the attack covers a wide area and destroyed most of the ground

[Midnight789]

People! Kakashi and Gai at this point are equal in my mind. It really depends on who can correctly land there most powerful attacks. but here is the thing. Gai can kill Kakashi just with his punches and kicks in Gated mode. Kakashi will have to use Kamui to kill Gai because nothing else will touch him, he is just too fast.

Kakashi is a fighting genius! he would use clones to confuse Gai but considering the amount of times they went up against each other, im not sure if Kakashi would win because of his clones. he would need more than that to win. I would say Gai would win more times than Kakashi mainly because Gai has more ways to kill his opponents than Kakashi does. Kamui is not getting Gai or Absorbing Gai's AT, its too huge. His base AT was even bigger than Madara's Susanoo!

the way i see it is that in the end. Gai would defeat Kakashi because of a combination of Morning Peacock and Afternoon Tiger. Kakashi in no way how can Kamui back to back insanity attacks thats coming at him with tremendous force!

[PrinceofPeace]

just so everyone knows
GUY NEEDS NO GATES FOR HDIOURA

[JLI2infinity]

People! Kakashi and Gai at this point are equal in my mind. It really depends on who can correctly land there most powerful attacks

Finally someone who gets it. Kishi DESIGNED these characters to be equal so people of the respective fandoms can constantly war over who's stronger with no clear answer possible and not enough evidence to reach a conclusion. Why can't people just accept a tie.

[PrinceofPeace]

They are not equal!!! They are near equal but they won't just shake hands and call it a draw (as much as Kakashi would like to)

Kakashi does not have the time to unveal his headband then switch to MS then Kaumi the strongest taijutsu move

[Fukai Tsumi]

Bloodlusted means they have no restraint in killing, not that they act out of character. Pulling out their best moves to start a fight is something they wouldn't do for tactical reasons not emotional ones. Both of them like to try out some of their more basic moves to get a feel of their opponent before they attack. Sorry but not quite, Prince you'll have to keep teaching him.


They have killing intent by default, that's no restraint in killing. Bloodlusted is all-out, throwing everything they have. That's kinda what bloodlust is, y'know; a lust for blood? If they aren't already canonically bloodlusted, it makes them OOC by default.

[PrinceofPeace]

Just tell me how you counter hidourA??