The weakest Hokage?

[Ninja of Cao]

All Kage are strong, but who is the weakest of the six (I include Danzo as the sixth Hokage)? Note that this is not physical strength, but who would be the first to fall in an all-on-all fight.

Personally I believe that Tsunade is the least powerful of all these. I am not saying that she is useless in a fight, but in my opinion she relies too much on Taijutsu and brute force while all others have advanced ninjutsu that can be used at a distance. Minato is also not an elemental fighter, but his speed should be able to overpower her.

[Ba_bamBam]

Probably Tsunade, especially if you power scale considering Sarutobi was stated to be the strongest shinobi Konoha ever had in his PRIME.
But yea, Tsunade's the weakest.

[Slack 40]

yeah based on feats i'd say sarutobi but he was said to be the strongest hokage in his prime, which is crazy when you look at the 1st hokage being able to fight the monster of a man madara

So really tsunade is the weakest even if she can survive being chopped in half

[THE susanoo]

...... yet again, tobirama, 0feats, Tsunade can tank killer blows and is the strongest hand to hand fight in naruto (strongest, not best) tobirama is the weakest

[PrinceofPeace]

Probably Tsunade, especially if you power scale considering Sarutobi was stated to be the strongest shinobi Konoha ever had in his PRIME.
But yea, Tsunade's the weakest.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!?!?!?!??!!?

STOP UNDERESTIMATING TSUNADE-SAMA!!

Tobirama is obviosly the weakest.

This fight is all for one so what can Tobirama do? Everyone has a large powerful scale attack/summoning except him

Hahsiram-forest
Tsuande-Acid Spitting slug that heals
Minato-Gamabunta
3rd-Enma (staff)
Tobirama...... water
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Hashirama is obviously the strongest! Advent of following trees k.o. all of them and he is left the winner. He is safe inside wood dome and can make more trees from there
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Next strongest is Minato. Minato can summon Gama and preform large scale attacks... but Gama and Minato would be K.o. from the trees. The oil and liquid bullets would finish off most foes. Not to mention nobody would be able to hit him
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Following is Tsunade! YEAH THAT's RIGHT!!!
Tsunade would summon Kataysu at the start. The acid would spit through anything Hiruzen or Tobirama could do. Acid Spit spam is her main way of winning. Tsunade wacked Madara's flames away so she could do the same against Hiruzen or Tobirama's water. Tsunade can destory any earth style attack
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Then is Hiruzen
Hiruzen would lose to all.... except Tobirama. Earth style is superior to anything Tobirama can do. Hiruzen has more feats anyhow. Hizuen is better in close combat and Enma would help out a lot.
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Finally we have the weak Tobirama
Tobirama would get
-K,o by trees
-blitz by Minato
-Spayed acid on by Katyasu
-barraged by Enma/Hiruzen
You guys know that Tobirama suxs at using ET and it requires lots of prep right? Tobirama only has water ninjutsu... and genjutsu but that is off cannon. Water style has Never killed anyone!!
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[tanduhman]

I can agree with Prince on this, but only because Tobirama has not shown enough feats.

[PrinceofPeace]

*Refuses to put Danzo on the list cuz he is an Hokage CANIDATE*

[BMC1994]

By Hype Tobirama can use space time ninjutsu which make him hax by default.

Tsunade isnt underrated shes just not a supposed to be a fighter. Shes a medical nin. She still is quite good in the fighting aspect but unlike the other kages its not her main purpose on the battlefield.

Hiruzen is quite strong no matter how you look at it taking tobirama and hashirama at the same time while fighting Oro is frikin godlike. Even if they were just mindless puppets.
You can say oros edo tensei is weak 'blah blahdie blahdie' (which also is just made up by people who dont want to acknowledge hiruzen)
But give me one other person who took on 3 kage level ninja at the same time. Well except maddy but hes hax.

And then even comes the fact that hiruzen like 80 years old its not hard to imagine what kind of beast he was in his prime.

And minato isnt that good Danzo, Tsunade and Hashirama can tank anything he has.

[Souret]

Tsunade is a sannin she has a powerful summons (I swear the only reason they lasted long enough for naruto to make it agaisnt pain was her summons) She is rediculously strong (admitedy naruto wasn't that strong at the time but she beat him with 2 fingers) she has the seal on her fourhead plus she has both senju and Uzumaki heritage she is by no means the weakest hokage.

tobirama is the weakest

[PrinceofPeace]

By Hype Tobirama can use space time ninjutsu which make him hax by default.

I think his only space/time ninjutsus is the Summoning jutsu of ET
We do not know how he can use it or how powerful it is

[tanduhman]

^exactly, but thats why I said without feats we cannot make an assumption.

[JLI2infinity]

This is very obviously between Tobirama who has no feats and Tsunade, but if Tobirama was even half the shinobi his brother was he stomps easily, considering he's been called the best suiton user of all time (a title I've given to Kisame until shown differently) he can very well be powerful but we already know he got beaten to within an inch of his life by the Kin-Gin Bros. and died to the shinobi in the Kinkaku squad. Neither of those things would've happened to Hashirama.

[PrinceofPeace]

and yet haters still say Tsuande is the weakest

[BoxHead]

Tobirama hasn't shown many feats in battle. Tsunade is pretty damn weak, but she's at least shown some skill.

[Uchiha Sora]

Byakugou Tsunade takes Tobirama and Old Hiruzen, Hashirama too if he didn't have his hype and Maddy's proffession of love for him :lol:

Hashi
Minato
Tsunade
Hiruzen
Tobirama

[BoxHead]

Byakugou Tsunade takes Tobirama and Old Hiruzen, Hashirama too if he didn't have his hype and Maddy's proffession of love for him :lol:

Hashi
Minato
Tsunade
Hiruzen
Tobirama
And you know, his elephant nose wood dragon :lol:

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Well I would say Hiruzen, do disrespect, but Danzo has already admitted to him being better than him.

Hashirama was apparently strong enough to kill or almost killed Madara

Tobirama was the most powerful water style ninja in existence and had space time jutsu.

Minato I'm not very impressed with, but inventing the flying thunder god and the rasengon was pretty cool.

And Tsunade was the greatest medical ninja that ever lived.

So yeah Danzo Shimura is the weakest Hokage since he is being counted.

[BMC1994]

I think his only space/time ninjutsus is the Summoning jutsu of ET
We do not know how he can use it or how powerful it is

^exactly, but thats why I said without feats we cannot make an assumption.

Its pretty safe to assume it had something to do with transportation as minato compared it to tobis when he said 'his space time ninujutsu is better then mine and the 2nd hokages'

Or something along that line.

If they would count summoning as a specific space time ninutsu FTG and kamui wouldnt be a big deal at all.

[Nigoyukai]

Not Hashirama. Not Hiruzen. Not Minato.

Tobirama vs Tsunade vs Danzo

None of those two are getting past Danzo's Kotoamatsuki or Izanagi.

So between Tobirama vs Tsunade.......
Tobirama is known as the strongest Suiton user in Konoha. Invented Edo Tensei. Well below the Kinkaku/Ginkaku brothers and died to the Kinkaku Force. Not alot of feats. Not sure how hype helps him here, either.

Tsunade isn't so far off from the Raikage's speed and I find it really hard to see that she won't one-shot Tobirama. Her medical ninjutsu prowess keeps all sustained (and looking at the power of whatever Suiton Tobirama has thus far, I don't think she even needs medical aid).

I say Tobirama.

[PrinceofPeace]

Its pretty safe to assume it had something to do with transportation as minato compared it to tobis when he said 'his space time ninujutsu is better then mine and the 2nd hokages'

Or something along that line.

If they would count summoning as a specific space time ninutsu FTG and kamui wouldnt be a big deal at all.

ET is his only ST so we can not assume anything else though`~(

[Devils Lawyer]

I kinda wanna say Minato. :lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

Minato is the worst Hokage but not the weakest. THat spot is taken by Tobirama

[PrinceofPeace]

So far Tobirama is still the weakest. Tsuande has been showing wayy better feats

[Maruko]

I'm sure about the strongest. :3

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo was not eve an hokage

[Spectual]

Minato is the worst Hokage but not the weakest. THat spot is taken by Tobirama

The worst Hokage? How?

[Amaterasu Okami]

Tobirama. we all knw the strongest 1

[PrinceofPeace]

Minato only did one thing for his village and he was partially the reason for its destruction

[Amaterasu Okami]

Tobirama. Minato at least saved the village nn defeated masked man
Tobirama didnt do nothing important

[321zigzag3]

Tsunade is likely the weakest Hokage as of now.


Tobirama didnt do nothing important

Space-time ninjutsu.
Created Edo Tensei.
Was responsible for the Uchiha Police.
Selected Sarutobi as his successor.

His lifting of one finger immediately garnered wary response.

[PrinceofPeace]

How is tsunade the weakest? One hit and tobirama is done for. Not to mention katatsyu and her amazing healing.

Water style never killed anyone. And his ST is unknown like his control of ET


Tobirama helped establish order and protect the village. Much more than what minato did

[PrinceofPeace]

Minato showed everything he could do saving the village. He was not holding anything back. Minato could not even save his village and live to tell about it. He is far from the strongest.

HASHIRAMA!!! Protected his village more than once and lived to tell about it Hashirama stopped the TBB himself with the help of his wood style. Hashirama was able to tame the tailed beast at FULL POWER while Minato had to weaken the beast.

Please tell me how Tsuande is weaker than Tobirama. How can Tobriama defeat her with his small feats. Tobirama only has water style jutsu . Water ninjutsu never saved anyone. Tobirama has poor-basic taijutsu and not much else. We o not know how well he can use ET. Tsuande would punch the water away or summon katasyu to finish the job. One spit or punch and Tobirama is done

[Kioroshi.]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!?!?!?!??!!?

STOP UNDERESTIMATING TSUNADE-SAMA!!

Tobirama is obviosly the weakest.

This fight is all for one so what can Tobirama do? Everyone has a large powerful scale attack/summoning except him

Hahsiram-forest
Tsuande-Acid Spitting slug that heals
Minato-Gamabunta
3rd-Enma (staff)
Tobirama...... water
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Hashirama is obviously the strongest! Advent of following trees k.o. all of them and he is left the winner. He is safe inside wood dome and can make more trees from there
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Next strongest is Minato. Minato can summon Gama and preform large scale attacks... but Gama and Minato would be K.o. from the trees. The oil and liquid bullets would finish off most foes. Not to mention nobody would be able to hit him
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Following is Tsunade! YEAH THAT's RIGHT!!!
Tsunade would summon Kataysu at the start. The acid would spit through anything Hiruzen or Tobirama could do. Acid Spit spam is her main way of winning. Tsunade wacked Madara's flames away so she could do the same against Hiruzen or Tobirama's water. Tsunade can destory any earth style attack
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Then is Hiruzen
Hiruzen would lose to all.... except Tobirama. Earth style is superior to anything Tobirama can do. Hiruzen has more feats anyhow. Hizuen is better in close combat and Enma would help out a lot.
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Finally we have the weak Tobirama
Tobirama would get
-K,o by trees
-blitz by Minato
-Spayed acid on by Katyasu
-barraged by Enma/Hiruzen
You guys know that Tobirama suxs at using ET and it requires lots of prep right? Tobirama only has water ninjutsu... and genjutsu but that is off cannon. Water style has Never killed anyone!!
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You really underestimate Tobirama a lot.I look forward to seeing next manga chapters and tobirama kicking assso you stop hating on every tobirama thread.

and lol at "water style has never killed anyone" thats pure bs.Imagine if i used "water style has never killed anyone" if one of those kisame threads you were so active on?

Also did earth style ever killed anyone?or wood?or mei's lava?or Particle style?no,but they are some of most powerfull jutsu in narutoverse.


And also hiruzen and tobirama have no feats atm soo this is not a fair poll.

[konoha chimp]

Tsunade is likely the weakest Hokage as of now.



Space-time ninjutsu.
Created Edo Tensei.
Was responsible for the Uchiha Police.
Selected Sarutobi as his successor.

His lifting of one finger immediately garnered wary response.

Tobirama became one of the worst Hokage for me as soon as you mentioned that

[Anru Uzumaki]

Danzo did not become a hokage :lol:

[konoha chimp]

Did someone actually vote Minato... seriously -.-

[PrinceofPeace]

You really underestimate Tobirama a lot.
Just like how you underestamte Tsuande :cool:
I look forward to seeing next manga chapters and tobirama kicking assso you stop hating on every tobirama thread.
How am I hating if I only tell the truth:geek:

and lol at "water style has never killed anyone" thats pure bs.Imagine if i used "water style has never killed anyone" if one of those kisame threads you were so active on?
okay:|????
Water style CAN kill but it has not...yet whats your point?

Also did earth style ever killed anyone?or wood?or mei's lava?or Particle style?no,but they are some of most powerfull jutsu in narutoverse.
Yes earth style has killed and wood has (off cannon) not lava but it has not been shown as much as water


And also hiruzen and tobirama have no feats atm soo this is not a fair poll.
so stop waiting. they may never get feats ya knows.

Idk why your protecting Tobirama without proof.And you call me a fanboy:???:

How does Tobirama exactly defeat Tsuande.. or even katsyu for that matter

@erndogzetroc

Of course Tsuande is better than Tobirama.

Tobirama only has about 2.5 jutsu. (.5=ET cuz it takes prep and we do not know how well he can use it)

Idk why there are Tobirama fans when he has failed so much and is so hyped (myabe its cuzhe "looks cool")

Anyway Tobirama is obviously not winning this close up so what is he going to do..spam water ninjutsu from afar

Tsuande can either
1-Charg while punching the dense water away
2-Summon katasyu to spit acid upon Tobirama while Tsuande charges as she tanks whatever Tobirama throws at her

^that

[Kioroshi.]

Idk why your protecting Tobirama without proof.And you call me a fanboy:???:

How does Tobirama exactly defeat Tsuande.. or even katsyu for that matter

@erndogzetroc

Of course Tsuande is better than Tobirama.

Tobirama only has about 2.5 jutsu. (.5=ET cuz it takes prep and we do not know how well he can use it)

Idk why there are Tobirama fans when he has failed so much and is so hyped (myabe its cuzhe "looks cool")

Anyway Tobirama is obviously not winning this close up so what is he going to do..spam water ninjutsu from afar

Tsuande can either
1-Charg while punching the dense water away
2-Summon katasyu to spit acid upon Tobirama while Tsuande charges as she tanks whatever Tobirama throws at her

^that


Im responding to part of post that was adressed to me just to be clear idk how to quote already quoted quote....


Im defending him cuz i have common sense.You will see soon enough what he can do.

You just hate him for some reason and i don't know which one.care to explain why all the hate?


EDIT:lol punching the water away?you insane bro XD?

[PrinceofPeace]

the water is dense so it can be punched. I already explain my dislike Not hate. This is not the place for that. Just stop avoiding the question and tell me how Tobirama beats Tsuande

[Kioroshi.]

he can basically flood her.And when we see his new feats we will talk.



also only water prison is dense.who has ever punched the water away in history of humankind?or narutoverse for that matter.

[Shisko Shi]

OK just put who you think is the worst not who would win.

Pop you of all know a anyone vs Tobirama is stuiped based on the extremely less feats.

[PrinceofPeace]

all of the water is dense. IT is not normal chakra it is infused with chakra to make it stonger thus denser

[Kioroshi.]

So when did anyone punch the water away?ever? ._.

[321zigzag3]

How is tsunade the weakest? One hit and tobirama is done for. Not to mention katatsyu and her amazing healing.

So what if he shows to be greater than Tsunade? Which he likelihood he will.

Tobirama became one of the worst Hokage for me as soon as you mentioned that

Its his no nonsense personality grounded in cold harsh reality. What can you.

[e710]

If Danzo doesn't have Shisu's MS than I would say he is the weakest considering Sasuke killed him numerous times. Every other Hokage has something special or is hard to kill.
my list would be:
Hashirama
Minato
Tobirama(going by hype and Hashirma's bro )
Tsunade. best regenirating in magna so far
Hiruzen, has never done anything of note just a lot of hype
Danzo

[PrinceofPeace]

You act like its not possible. Flames are not solid yet tsuande wacked them away


atm tsuande is stronger

[321zigzag3]

If Danzo doesn't have Shisu's MS than I would say he is the weakest considering Sasuke killed him numerous times. Every other Hokage has something special or is hard to kill.
my list would be:
Hashirama
Minato
Tobirama(going by hype and Hashirma's bro )
Tsunade. best regenirating in magna so far
Hiruzen, has never done anything of note just a lot of hype
Danzo

Sasuke was only able to kill Danzo mainly because of his MS or should I say thanks to Susanoo mostly.

If it weren't for Susanoo, Sasuke would have died.

[PrinceofPeace]

if anyone wants to share HOW tobirama beats tsuande that would be great.

Katayus spits in Tobirama's face GG

[サスケ]

probably minato

[PrinceofPeace]

How does Tobirama even beat katyasu???

Honestly Kiroshi I am not trying to hate I am just stating the facts.

[Kioroshi.]

Can't he flood it away?tobirama is featless atm so idk.

[PrinceofPeace]

flood away a slug??? Lol no. Katyasu can stick to the ground. ANd I dont think he can make that much water especially before beings spat on

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

hype:
Hiruzen-?strongest kage
First Hokage - Defeated madara
second hokage-Creator of edo, space time comparable to kamui, Best suiton user from konoha, brother to first.
danzo-yep going there ( comparable to hiruzen, yami of shinobi) Between shisui's eye and his sharingan/mokuton arm he is tough...
Minato-yellow flash, summoning, time-space ninjustu, create rasengan.
Tsunade- sannin, super streanght/durability. Specializes in ninjusut, best ninjustu specialist from konoha, ( besides mabey kabuto).

Feats:
hashimara: Between budha statue mokuton dragon and earth gods he wins.
danzo-Man he never gets credit- again bewteen mind control and izanagi for defense and wind ninjustu offense he wins.
tsunade- healing that beats rasengan, super streanghth which would crush minato with 1 hit.
Minato-has few feats, unfortunatly, really made for surprise/evade/protection-for now. Only has rasengan and summoning which wont do much to defeat other kage's.
Hiruzen- fighting to edo tensei, which were not at full power as implied by lord second when he was talking to orochimaru. Hiruzen may kill any kage with death seal but that leads to tie, same with minato. His feats, come from part 1 unfortunatly, which are all around lower than part 2, mabey we see more in war.

Logic:
Hashimara- beat madara/ founder/ hyped to da ;);););).
tobimaru- creater of many modern shinobi world strongest techiques'.. edo tensei/timespace.
Minato-fastest ninja? timespace justu, summons, extremly smart, defeated entire armies in moments. How does anyon tag minato?
Hiruzen- god of shinobi, nuff said.
danzo-yami no shinobi, sharingan/mokuton.
tsunade-while a amazing fighter, is primarilly a medic.

[PrinceofPeace]

^good points. Lol Tobirama ? why did you not put him in feats

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

I didnot put tobirama in feats because, a less powerfull version of himself fighting agianst hiruzen in part 1 doesnot really give us anything, its as if he has no feats at all. I am sure he will get some soon?. Basically, I didnot put him in feats because I don't know of any usuable feats that he has, other than using rofle haki and crushing a wall with bare palm without even trying. However, the implicit feat shown recently is him resisting orochimaru, it implies that he is on a whole nother level but that goes under the hype and common sense section... You see?

[PrinceofPeace]

having edo tensi is not a hype though...at least it wont help him in battle

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

While edo tensei inot hype, his prowess with it is. Can he use it as well as kabuto, or PTS orochimaru. Who knows?? Whose DNA does he have prepped, who has he summoned before. I consider it mostly hype becauese we just don't know yet.

[PrinceofPeace]

He can NOT use it as well as Kabuto nor Oro. They improved edo tensi. They even said so themseleves.

all we know is that he can not use it as well.

Tobirama overall is the weakest and followed up by Hiruzen. They both can not defeat katysu or do major damage to Tsuande

[Demon of the Hidden Mist]

I would have to say Tsunade just because she is really a medical ninja and everyone else should easily beat her.

I don't get the hate for Tobirama, he is my fave hokage because I think he looks the coolest but for some reason it's like many hate him on here lol. Yes he has no feats but going on what other Ninja say he is easily one of the greatest ninjas ever. Just seeing what he did in the right against Sarutobi should show you alittle of his power and how amazing his skills were in water attacks.

Also don't get why everyone rates minato so high?

[Shisko Shi]

Once again... All we have on Tobi is Hype. Untill then yiou can say he is weak, but hype wise he is extreamly strong. So even though this is fun. Just say Tobi. No reason to end it in a fight with him and Tsun. As that is pointless.

[PrinceofPeace]

Even with hype how does his water style kill tsunade? How does he even beat katasyu

[Maruko]

Even with hype how does his water style kill tsunade? How does he even beat katasyu


''Tobirama...lower your fingers''
IMO he wrecks her with hype.

No hype = She one shots him with her fist.

[PrinceofPeace]

That hype still does not kill tsunade nor katatsyu

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Once again I find you hating on Tobirama Prince, if Hashirama has to worry about tobirama simply lifting his fingers then it's safe to assume that Tsunade nor Katatsyu have a chance against him. He made that entire place shake just by lifting his finger, Tsunade has never done such a thing in her life.

The there Sanin are supposed to be as equaly strong as each other, though I do believe that Tsunade may be the weakest from what I've seen, so if Orochimaru was worried about him, what makes you that Tsunade could steam roll him?

Just admit Prince this thread was just another way for you to hate on Tobirama again, you didn't care who people thought was the weakest Hokage because you already had your mind made up.

[PrinceofPeace]

I am saying that Tobirama is the weakest (and most featless) hokage. That does not mean he is weak period. Hashirama knew Tobirama can do damage but he did not want him to cause trouble.Tsuande and Katasyu have taken a lot of attacks that would be instant killz. So assuming that Tobirama has a jutsu that would finish Tsuande and kataysu is unlikely

Tsuande was not at full power when fighting Oro. Plus an edo hokage is worse than a living sannin. Plus Oro has less knowledge on Tobirama than Tsuande so more is to be ASSUMED. Being the weakest sannin does not mean she would lose to tobirama.
Yep you totally got me…btw what proof did you give? And How did you say Tobirama beats Tsuande? I do not believe you did. I am not Hating I am just saying the facts. Tobirama has lil hype and most people ASSUME his power. Tsuande is a tank with a powerful summoning. She can withstand a lot and only needs one shot to win. Slug Acid GG

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Let's not even pull the doe hokage mess because they have been brought back with a better version of edo, plus if he really is weaker as an edo then Tusnade would definately lose since this version of Tobirama would obviously stomp, seeing as how his power if on a whole other level.


How he'd kill her is simple she's not immune to drowning prince and if you really weren't hating once again then tell me why it is that when I don't know everyting about Hashirama and I tell you basically the same things you tell me "WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET!!!" and yet it's completely alright for you to assume things about Tobirama when you don't even know what he can do in battle yet and by hype not only is he the second strongest Senju, but Hokage as well. Please explain that to me...it's because you're bias against him prince, I have seen you make more Tobirama hate thread in disguise that anything else.

Aslo Tsunade was at full power and then some when fighting Orochimaru, Orochimaru was the one with the handicap and he took on her and Jiraya at the same time and once again Orochimari fears Tobirama.

[PrinceofPeace]

We are not talking which edo hokage is better. Edos are always stronger because they have endless chakra,stamina, and can regenerate.
The only thing we do not know yet about Hashirama is how he died. While there is plenty we do not know about Tobirama.What have I assumed about Tobirama? I am just going by feats.Where is the proof that he is the second strongest hokage or senju? The only 2nd thing he is the Acutal Second Hokage. There is not hat just stating the truth
Tsuande was NOT at full power. She took a sword to the chest and she just got over her fear of blood. Plus she did not even use the full power of the Yin Seal. Oro is not in fear of Tobirama. He just did not want to get hit by him. Oro was surprised that Tobirama was fighting the restriatant. You are just ASSUMING and making info up. Pg 5 chp 620 –Every has an exclamation mark EXCEPT for Oro. I did not say that Tobirama Is the weakest ever in the world. Oro did not want to risk getting hit there was no need and it was not the time
Can we please just go back to feats instead of pointing hating fingers
Anyway, Drowing??? That is very vague don’t ya think?
How does a water dragon or a wall of water drown Tsuande? Even if Tsuande was caught in the water she would just summon Kataysu. Kataysu would rise Tsuande out of the water then Kataysu would spit acid at Tobirama. pLUS the water would have to travel so Tsuande has time to summon Kataysu before she gets caught in the water. Also Tsuande can punch the water away. The water is infused with chakra so its dense and like a solid. Not to mention that Tsuande punched Madara’s flame dragons away! Tsuande has great stamina so she could hold her breath for a long time anyway.
Tsuande wins this

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Tusnade's Yin Seal completely healed her and kept healing her, while Orochimaru had no use of his arms and his body was decaying. Tsunade had help from Jiraya and still just barely beat Orochimaru if you can even say she did that.

And also since you want to quote the manga, maybe you should also look at that worried look on Orochimaru's face as well. Also since you want to quote the manga then how about we look at the fact of the Orochimaru summoned Tobirama and Hashirama the Anbu even said that they were the most powerful of the Hokage then, they don't we look at that or how Minato said that Tobirama had a space time jutsu even more impressive than his own.

And yes Drowning since even Orochimaru pointed out that she was not immune to being strangled to death while using Yin Seal.

And please tell me what you know about Tobirama, have you ever seen him in action, no you have not. Tobirama was not allowed to be weak, he was a full on ninja, fighting in a war by age 7, not going kiddy missions, like Naruto or even Tsunade had to do, he did have time to do easy stuff like that, they were at war.

[Shisko Shi]

He has more then water.. Based on hype he is one of the strongest in his time. He can take her out from range. Force the water down her throut. He is extreamly skilled in Taijutsu. He can sense by placing his fingers on the groun. He can use space-time based on Manito, He his not weak. But on feats at the moment yes. Hype.. he kills and stands on side with his brother.

[PrinceofPeace]

HH you are using all hype and trying to make comparisons. His hype is not specific enough on how he fights. We only know of 2 Jutsu he can use. FYI- Oro would beat tobirama as well without arms. But even if you believe that or not using A>B>C logic does not always work.
How does tsunade drown when she can punch the water away or kayltaysu raises her up out of the water?

One again I am not saying tobirama is the weakest ever but he is the weakest hokage. He has yet to live up to hype. Tsunade also has great hype too but I just talk about her feats.

Once again how does tobirama counter acid spam

[BMC1994]

Water wall could possibly block the acid.

[PrinceofPeace]

Possible.. But Tobitama would have to use it constantly

[e710]

On previous post I had Danzo as weakest but I disagree on that now. Ether 3rd or 5th are the weakest.

Really though PoP give it a rest on Tobirama he is one of the strongest characters in his time. That was a time with ninja like Madara and Hashirama who dwarf everyone currently except a handful of ninja.

[BMC1994]

Possible.. But Tobitama would have to use it constantly

He doesnt have to use it constantly because acid spit is not an constant type attack.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

HH you are using all hype and trying to make comparisons. His hype is not specific enough on how he fights. We only know of 2 Jutsu he can use. FYI- Oro would beat tobirama as well without arms. But even if you believe that or not using A>B>C logic does not always work.
How does tsunade drown when she can punch the water away or kayltaysu raises her up out of the water?

One again I am not saying tobirama is the weakest ever but he is the weakest hokage. He has yet to live up to hype. Tsunade also has great hype too but I just talk about her feats.

Once again how does tobirama counter acid spam

Oh so suddenly it's bad to use hype now, you should be the last one talking about using hype since you are going along with the hype that Sarutobi was a god among ninja in his prime despite never seeing him in his prime and need I remind you how you used nothing, but Hype for Hashirama back when we knew nothing about him, so don't throw that crap at me.

Also Orochimaru could never beat Tobirama without his arms and even he knows that, that he didn't want him to break loose, because he knew he would kill him. Tsunade would not be able to simply punch away the water if she is surrounded by it you have never seen her be able to do such a thing, if it could be done then Killer Bee would have used his Biju power punch the water Kisame made around him away.

Rather I am using Hype or not, they were stated in the manga that Tobirama and Hashirama were the most powerful the Hokage and among the strongest of Shinobi in their time, that he has a space time jutsu even more impressive that Minato's, that even though he was killed by the Kinaku force they killed 18 of the them and the only two that survives that Ginakaku and Kinakaku and you don't even know what went down in the fight or what condition they were in when they left, but despite all of this you would honestly sit there and say that he is weakest of the Hokage even though the manga says otherwise?

Also Tsunade has to have the chance to summon first and Tobirama can create water out of thin air instantly.

[PrinceofPeace]

What are you talking about? I never used Sarutobi’s hype of how he was a “god” I even made a thread questioning it. When did I support his hype? Hashirama’s hype is confirmed as we speak while Tobirama has yet to prove his.
I am not going to talk about Oro vs Tobirama on this thread. It does not have anything to do with this. Oro was no where as near worried as the others. Oro just sweated a bit. BTW how would Tobirama even kill Oro? Oro is kinda immortal ya know. Why would Oro not stop his attack? Why would Oro want to get hit or test his strength. This is totally silly. Oro did not want to start a fight. Oro like anyone else does not like to get hurt when they can prevent it. Oro stopped the attack just like he wanted. ORO HAD NO FEAR! Where is your proof? He stood still. There was no explamantion points. Oro barely made a move or reacted in fear. He sweated a bit due to straining to restrain Tobirama. You are saying that Tsuande can not punch water? Why not? It’s dense due to the water being infused with water. Afterall Tsuande punched fire away. Tsuande would not just stand there while the water came around and surrounded her. She would summon katasyu to get her above the water or Tsuande would punch though it. Idk why people would say he would drown her. He can not control the water like sugeitsu near her mouth. Tsuande can still swim afterall and kataysu would help her out. Killer B was in a total different situation. Kisame has shown better suiton feats than Tobirama. Plus Killer B had to protect his rappin master and pet. Killer Bee in bijju form is not as strong as Tsuande anyway (physically that is). Plus Killer Bee was getting his chakra contstantly drained. They can not be compared. Killer Bee was already in the center of the water and Killer B and Kisame suprass Tobirama in every way. Tsuande is not going to just let herself be caught in water and Tobirama has not shown to be on par with Kisame.
Great tobirama was a strong hokage AT HIS TIME!!! But the next generation is always better and Tsuande also has a lot of powerful people in her generation. Tsuande is physically the strongest and best healer of her generation. TOBIRAMA’s SPACE TIME NINJUTSU IS UNKNOWN. Why even mention it. The only thing we know of is Edo Tensi. Where was it stated that Tobirama’s Time space ninjutsu is better than Minato’s??? I am not saying Tobirama is the weakest of the Hokages I am just saying he is weaker than Tsuande.

All tsuande has to do is draw blood then slam here hand on the ground…its reall not that hard. Tobirama also has to make at least one hand seal and tsuande can summon kaytaus in or on the water. PROVE that Tsuande can not punch though the water
@Kalmast
=-How would you think Danzo is the weakest? He can come back ot life like 10 times and he can mind control people and his summoning can suck a lot up. lol

@ HH again
-Again HH Idk where you are getting you info from cuz I did not even make this thread.

From STRONGEST to weakest
Hashirama
Minato
Danzo
Tsuande
Tobirama
Hiruzen

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Oh please do not try and change the subject Prince you know exactly what I am talking about, despite the fact that Hashirama's hype is being proven right now that does not change the fact that when Hashirama had nothing but Hype that you religiously went along with it without question, so why was it OK for you to use Hashirama's hype when he had not been proven yet back then, but it's not OK for us to use Tobirama's Hype right now.

And honestly your excuse for Orochimaru is that he didn't want to get hit, he's never cared about getting hit before, so what changed now? that look on Orochimaru's face was a look of fear it was not you average "oh I'm straining myself" Orochimaru look.

You say prove that Tsunade can't Punch away water?, you prove that she can, you seem to forget the fact that Tobirama is still to this day deemed the greatest water style ninja of all time and that he can make massive amounts of water out of thin air in an instant, Tsunade has never summoned in an instant. And don't BS me prince you know exactly where it was mentioned in the manga because this is not the first time this subject has come up and you were apart of it, I swear I can't stand when you sit there and pretend not to know things that you already do and I know for sure that not too long ago I gave you the dang chapter for where it was said in a VM.

And yes Tobirama was one of the stingiest in his time and even though we would all love to believe that the next generation was stringer than the last, it was stated and shown that the ninja form Hashirama and Tobirama's time where made out of tougher stuff than the ninja in Tusnade or even Naruto's time.

The simple fact of the matter if that I know for whatever odd reason that you have you seem to against Tobirama for some reason, because I know that I would have said Tsunade was stronger than Hashirama back when we knew nothing about him but Hype like Tobirama right now that you would have told me that we don't know anything about what Hashirama could do so I couldn't say that because we don't know yet and yet when I tell you the same thing, that we don't know anything about Tobirama on that scale to where we can judge rather he is weaker that Tsunade or not, you insist upon the fact that she is despite the fact that every mention of him the manga says otherwise. I know that your bias against him also because when I mention the fact that Hashirama is the cause of all 4 great shinobi world wars that you constantly make excuses for him about how he was trying to establish peace and it just didn't work out, but when I tell you that Tobirama was only trying to keep the village safe when he messed up with the Uchi ha I have to hear all of this crap about how he shouldn't have done it in the first place, but when I tell you that Hashirama should have left the tailed beast alone you've got 1001 reasons for why he shouldn't have.

At the end of the day rather it's Hype or not, the knowledge known about Tobirama says he's stronger than Tsunade and rather you want to believe that or not at this point I honestly do not care, you cannot say that Tobirama is weaker that Tsunade because haven't seen what he can do yet, that's like Saying Izuna is weaker than Sakura because you haven't seen him do anything either.

Anyway, I'm out, you can reply or don't, but odds are I'm not even going to read it because I can see where this is going and I'm done. Peace out everybody.

[PrinceofPeace]

You and I both know that is BG's we gotta go by feats.'so feat wise ATM tobirama is weaker.

[e710]

You and I both know that is BG's we gotta go by feats.'so feat wise ATM tobirama is weaker.

We could just wait for Tobirama to show us what he can do, most times when at the BG and we debate usually its characters we know what they can do. Feats are more for what a character's limits are like Kakashi can't use MS all day, right now we don't know jack about Tobirama's powers. So to say he loses to Tsunade who we have seen a lot of is unfair.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well tsaunde is definitely not the weakest acid on hiruzen

[Shisko Shi]

3rd would kill tsunade

But I say danzo he lost a emo kid what a loser lol

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsaunde can rank everything hiruzen thoughs. Hiruzen has shown lower level fire Jutsu ad earth the only thing e could do is soul reaper

FYI- tobirama's S/T is not compared to tobi's in a good way

[Devils Lawyer]

Hiruzen is the weakest.

[PrinceofPeace]

^feat wise I agree

[Devils Lawyer]

Hiruzen was old he couldn't use his strongest techniques lack of stamina.

[Uzumaki Naruto!]

Danzo wasn't announced the hokage wasn't he? Neither was kakashi so if you're going to make it with danzo add kakashi or remove danzo... But I think Hurizen Sarutobi was the weakest to be honest, He never made his own jutsu... But neither did tsunade but Tsunade was more of a healing Shinobi which is really useful also She was a big help in the previous war.

[BMC1994]

Hiruzen was old he couldn't use his strongest techniques lack of stamina.

I'd say tobirama would be the weakest, feat wise.

Dont underestimate the dude with the semi village lenght power pole.

[PrinceofPeace]

Water beats hiruzens clones and fire and most earth

[Devils Lawyer]

I'd say tobirama would be the weakest, feat wise.

Dont underestimate the dude with the semi village lenght power pole.

Tobirama most likely the second strongest. You can infer that from the way they reacted when he used his senju eyes.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsunade tanks any of tobirama's attavks

[Dragon Style]

Tsunade tanks any of tobirama's attavks

You don't know what any or all of Tobirama's attacks are so do not assume things as you constantly tell others.

[PrinceofPeace]

I am not assuming as far as we know Tobirama has nothing that can kill Tsuande

[Dragon Style]

Yes you are assuming, because from what we do know he is one of the most power kage's along with his brother Hashirama, all Tsunade has to her name is being the greast medical ninja of all time, it says nothing about her being more poweful than Tobirama.

As it was said before you told us back when we knew nothing about Hashirama that we were assuming things and that we should wait until we knew more about him, so why can't you give Tobirama hat same curtesy that you demaned we give Hashirama when we knew thing about him.

Wait until we know what Tobirama is capable of them make your assumptions.

[PrinceofPeace]

When did I say that again?

Anyway from what we know from his previous edo feats tsuande will punch his water Jutsu away. Hype is not ways true

[Dragon Style]

It has already be stated that Orochimaru did not bring them back and full strength back then so using a low end feat like that isn't fair to the situation.

I can't remember what threads exactly, but it was back when Madara first came out and we knew nothing about Hashirama and while hype may not always be true, as we have seen in Naruto it usually turns out to be true in the end and I don't find it fair of you to say that now when way back then you treated Hashirama's hype as if it were the absolute truth.

It was a long while back I don't even think I have the post I made on those threads in my statics anymore, but I'll try to find them.

[BMC1994]

Tobirama most likely the second strongest. You can infer that from the way they reacted when he used his senju eyes.

Thats why i added the '''feat-wise''

[PrinceofPeace]

I know it's they were not a full power but that's all we know for now. As I said hype is not always true. Also tobriama mainly uses water which tsunade can punch away

[Vivi]

who would be the first to fall in an all-on-all fight.

Danzo - 10

Really?REALLY?

[PrinceofPeace]

Lol hate on danzo

[Vivi]

Any mods here?Put the Danzo votes on Hiruzen if possible.


Oh,
Please.

[PrinceofPeace]

agreed Danzo no hokage

[Vivi]

agreed Danzo no hokage

FFS PoP, don't bring this in here.

[Devils Lawyer]

I wonder if Danzo could command Harishima to kill them all with shisui eye.

[PrinceofPeace]

Hashirama would use wood style to block and no no. Or he would use bringer of Darnkeness

[Devils Lawyer]

Based on feats Tobirama. Next would be Hiruzen

[Vivi]

Hashirama would use wood style to block and no no. Or he would use bringer of Darnkeness

What good will that do?

[PrinceofPeace]

No visual contact for genjutsu