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Souret
11-03-2012, 12:49 PM
Starting Distance: 50m
Location: Woodland area

Basically I couldn't decide who would win so I'm asking here b!:)

PrinceofPeace
11-03-2012, 02:36 PM
KISAME STOMPS!!!!

Giant Water Shark Bullet GG!!

Kakazu has no way to counter that!

The only issue is the lighting mask but the jutsu would be absorbed by Samehada

There is no way the mask can fight 1,000 sharks!

megabbaut
11-03-2012, 02:46 PM
^I don't think it's a stomp. Samehada would be overheated by the fire mask (it had trouble with Edo Itachi's fire jutsu)

Iron Skin would also prevent Kakuzu from taking damage against any water attacks.

PrinceofPeace
11-03-2012, 03:23 PM
^I don't think it's a stomp. Samehada would be overheated by the fire mask (it had trouble with Edo Itachi's fire jutsu)
why absorb the fire when Kisame can counter with water shark ;)
Bee would have done the same thing.... but he has no water ninjutsu

Iron Skin would also prevent Kakuzu from taking damage against any water attacks.
Iron Skin protects from Close up attacks for the most part. Iron Skin would make him heavier and slower . Iron Skin is not the best defense
-Kakazu can stilll drown in water dome
-Kakazu would still be hurt from water shark spam
-GIANT WATER SHARK MISSLE would eat Kakazu's chakra so no Iron Skin


No it's a STOMP alright`<3

BMC1994
11-03-2012, 03:43 PM
Kakazu takes the elemental advantage (so water sharks aint doing ***) easily on top of that the scale of his (combination)attacks are huge.

Samehada can absorb his jutsu but not all at the same time from different angles seeing how the mask can fight independantly of each other.

Kisame isnt winning on dry land anytime soon.
His only chance would be water dome + great shark bullet.

The question is can he get too that point before kakazu blasts him to shreds?

@Prince
we have no indiction or proof that iron skin would make you slower.

megabbaut
11-03-2012, 06:08 PM
why absorb the fire when Kisame can counter with water shark
Bee would have done the same thing.... but he has no water ninjutsu
Water sharks could be dispelled by the lightning mask.

Iron Skin protects from Close up attacks for the most part. Iron Skin would make him heavier and slower . Iron Skin is not the best defense
-Kakazu can stilll drown in water dome
-Kakazu would still be hurt from water shark spam
-GIANT WATER SHARK MISSLE would eat Kakazu's chakra so no Iron Skin
I don't think Iron Skin makes him slower, but nonetheless it is Earth affinity and Earth > Water so all of Kisame's water attacks would be useless. Also the heaviness would make him sink in Water Dome so Kisame can't movve him around.

Kakuzu probably doesn't need to breathe as long as his hearts are in a safe position away from water dome. The lightning mask would electrocute the water and badly damage Kisame. I know it would hurt Kakuzu too but he would still have hearts out and unless Kisame destroys all five hearts, he can't win.

Giant Water Shark Missile is the only thing Kisame has going for him. Even if Kakuzu gets his chakra drained he can get some more from his hearts (The hearts have their own chakra but I could be wrong)

PrinceofPeace
11-03-2012, 06:26 PM
Water sharks could be dispelled by the lightning mask.
all thousand of them? the water sharks can move out of the way of the lighting mask attacks


I don't think Iron Skin makes him slower, but nonetheless it is Earth affinity and Earth > Water so all of Kisame's water attacks would be useless. Also the heaviness would make him sink in Water Dome so Kisame can't movve him around.
there is no proof but if it makes him heavier.... i am just going by the name. what earth attack beats water? The earth is still chakra so GIANT WATER SHARK! would eat the chakra. not all of the water attacks are useless. It does not matter if Kisame can not move him along... he would DROWN

Kakuzu probably doesn't need to breathe as long as his hearts are in a safe position away from water dome. The lightning mask would electrocute the water and badly damage Kisame. I know it would hurt Kakuzu too but he would still have hearts out and unless Kisame destroys all five hearts, he can't win.
prove that Kakazu does not need to breath. The mask would also be in water dome. the lighting mask would also hit Kakazu and Kisame has much more stamina feats than lighting. Also Samehada can absorb lighing. Kakazu would lose a hear and Kisame can still survived
KISAME SURVIVED 7th GATE GUY!

Giant Water Shark Missile is the only thing Kisame has going for him. Even if Kakuzu gets his chakra drained he can get some more from his hearts (The hearts have their own chakra but I could be wrong)
there is no proof that the mask would have chakra. Not only would it steal chakra but Giant Shark would get stronger and able to attack the mask and do major damage to Kakazu

This thread has been done so many times and Kisame always wins
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@BMC

What elemental advantage?

while Samehada is abosrbing the sharks are attaking or blocking

which is how he wins

with Kisame's tanking feats... yeah those elemental attacks are pitiful

BMC1994
11-04-2012, 01:54 AM
This thread has been done so many times and Kisame always wins
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@BMC

What elemental advantage?

while Samehada is abosrbing the sharks are attaking or blocking

which is how he wins

with Kisame's tanking feats... yeah those elemental attacks are pitiful

Did you forget kakazu can use all 5 elements becuase of his 5 different hearts?
Sharks gets obliterated because of said elemental advantage so they dont matter.
Samehada cant absorb different attacks from different angles.
Kisames best tanking feat is tanking bees V2 which wasnt really tanked because he was basicly dead from that move. The only reason he survived was samehadas chakra absorbing. But Kisame absorbed like 6 tails wroth of chakra from bee. I dont think kakazu has so much chakara to absorb so no tanking for kisame.

PrinceofPeace
11-04-2012, 08:36 AM
Did you forget kakazu can use all 5 elements becuase of his 5 different hearts?
oh my gosh yeah i tottally..... of course i did not
Sharks gets obliterated because of said elemental advantage so they dont matter.
what elemental advantage?
Lighting and water are equal
fire will not do anything
there is no water feats
wind and water are equal... and the wind atta attacks slower than the others
and kakazu uses earth style which makes him open for attack
so while Kakazu is dealing with all of that ... and his hearts
;Kisame makes a water dome or uses Giant Water Shark to take advantage
Samehada cant absorb different attacks from different angles.
that is why the sharks would attack!!
Kisames best tanking feat is tanking bees V2 which wasnt really tanked because he was basicly dead from that move.
Not really he was still talking and acted fine
The only reason he survived was samehadas chakra absorbing.
and the only reason why Bee stood a chance was because of his bijju
The only reason Guy won was cuz of taijutsu
...thanks for speaking of Kisame's obvious fighting strenght
But Kisame absorbed like 6 tails wroth of chakra from bee.
Kakazu could NEVER beat BEE
I dont think kakazu has so much chakara to absorb so no tanking for kisame.


it took 7th Gate Guy to take out the 1,00o hearts!! This is one of the FASTEST ninja alive to counter that attack

So you think 5 hearts (besides water cuz it does not have featsth will just be kaakzu.. so the 5) stand a chance
each heart will have to destory 200 sharks!

Keep in mind the shards can also dodge the attacks especiallyfrom wind and fire!

SO really only lighitng and Kakazu/earth heart have a chance... so that is about 500 sharks each they have to defeat!
Kakazu does not have a lot of lighting and earth attacks that could take our water(if we went by anime)

NOTE!!
-When the sharks are dfeated and splash into smaller amounts of water the small amounts of water can turn into mini sharks... so that would be about 20,000 mini sharks!!

then they would have to deal with GIANT SHARK and or water dome!

P.S.
-How does Kakazu react to Hidden Mist ;)

tanduhman
11-05-2012, 09:32 PM
I agree with Prince on some points, but ive never seen the sharks turn into mini sharks bud. If there is a proven feat than please provide proof for me, because that would be pretty cool come to think of it.

BMC proves good points here. Yes, kakuzu has more elements to work with, so THATS why he has the advantage. More versatility basically.

However, his versatility does have a weakpoint, and that is chakra amount. Kisame has what seems to be an endless amount of chakra as he can simply keep spamming major attacks that look very costly. My point here is the fact that kakuzu would probably have to use a lot of chakra to even get past kisames 1000 shark jutsu. How many jutsu spams would kakuzu have to waste? alot, and by than he would probably be worn down... Kisame doesnt have to worry about being overwhelmed by hearts. He can go underground, his samehada can absorb and tank attacks, and he can also use water dome if the point in time comes necassary. Not to mention he can heal himself even if and when he gets hurt + water clones come to an advantage when he needs to cover more ground. With the amount of chakra kisame has, I would imagine that he could create a good amount of clones as well.

The hearts wouldnt be able to get out of the water dome in time. The dome's size is proven mountainous, and it comes up pretty quick. Its safe to say that when that thing comes up, everyones in it. Kakuzu wouldnt risk shocking himself and all of his hearts at the same time. Most of his attacks would be useless as well except for his threads. Kisame on the other hand could easily spam sharks in the water dome + fusion. Kakuzu and his hearts would become shark meat. I know kakuzu can use iron skin, but his other hearts cant. All kisam has to do than is touch kakuzu with fusion and drain him alive.

Black Azurite
11-05-2012, 10:16 PM
its nowhere near a stomp but a simple jutsu like waterprison or sharkbomb, kisame wont need any advanced jutsu like giant shark bullet

321zigzag3
11-06-2012, 09:43 AM
Kakuzu is at an inherent disadvantage if he is the waterdome.

The only jutsu he can use is Raiton but that is dangerous potentially.

1st: He can risk hurting himself if he is near it.
2nd: Kisame arguably can absorb it
3rd: The Raiton technique is not big enough to electrify the entire thing.

As the electricity flows out the current gets weaker as well.

BMC1994
11-06-2012, 11:29 AM
@Tanduh

1 jutsu will take care of atleast a large portion pf those 1000 sharks. Idk if the anime exaggerated it but the scale of kakazus attacks is huge. Just look at his fire+wind combination.

I dont remember kisame being able to go underground but okay.

My point is that as long as kisame doesnt use waterdome hes pretty much well ******
besides ridiculous range and eolemental advantages. Kakazu can tank his psysical attacks.

Not to mention the semi flight which kakazu has which puts him well out of kisame absorbtion range. In which case kisame wont be healing because he cant absorb anything from his opponent. While kakazu can pretty much spams any elemental attack he wants from the sky.

Waterdome still isnt the end of the world as i recall bee being able to use a large amount of his abilites like spitting ink, ink clone and even go V2 and battle kisame for a while before bee was defeated.

Kakazu unlike bee however can pretty much spam long range attacks. Which includes raiton. And no kakazu wont be hurt as kakazu needs to be killed 5 times (1 for each heart) before he actually dies so that should leave him with a good 4 lives. Also i fail to see why he cant use wind jutsu underwater.

PrinceofPeace
11-06-2012, 12:23 PM
@Tanduh and me Prince right? :cool:

1 jutsu will take care of atleast a large portion pf those 1000 sharks.
and what attack would that be?
Idk if the anime exaggerated it but the scale of kakazus attacks is huge.
the only attack that was huge was the fire+wind
Just look at his fire+wind combination.
fire+wind would not take out 100 sharks max! Kisame's water power/jutsu is equal to or greater than Yamato's and Naruto's jutsu combo.
Not to mention Kakazu can not spam his combo. Kisame can use poweful jutsu faster and overwhelm and hit Kakazu

I dont remember kisame being able to go underground but okay.
when "kisame" (NOTICE THE QUOTES) fought Team Guy for the first time in Part II

My point is that as long as kisame doesnt use waterdome hes pretty much well ******
but Kisame would use waterdome... why would he not? I doubt he even needs waterdome to win
besides ridiculous range and eolemental advantages. Kakazu can tank his psysical attacks.
well yeah.. but why would Kisame choose to get close? Taijutsu is not his strong point... but he is strong! He broke out of wood style and tank a lot of attacks

Not to mention the semi flight which kakazu has which puts him well out of kisame absorbtion range. In which case kisame wont be healing because he cant absorb anything from his opponent. While kakazu can pretty much spams any elemental attack he wants from the sky.
Kakauzu's mask can fly not Kakazu
Kisame's sharks can fly not Kisame
Kisame traps the mask inside water dome

Waterdome still isnt the end of the world as i recall bee being able to use a large amount of his abilites like spitting ink, ink clone and even go V2 and battle kisame for a while before bee was defeated.
Bee>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..Kakazu
what's your point? Kakazu can still fight... but he will end up like Bee

Kakazu unlike bee however can pretty much spam long range attacks.
most of those attacks are weak and will endager Kakazu as well
Which includes raiton. And no kakazu wont be hurt as kakazu needs to be killed 5 times (1 for each heart) before he actually dies so that should leave him with a good 4 lives. Also i fail to see why he cant use wind jutsu underwater.
Kisame has tanked much worse than an elemental attack
-7th gate guy
-V2 Bee
-Aoba's genjutsu
-bitting tounge
Kakazu's elemental attacks are not that strong
Kakazu would not even die to that attack.

Overall Kisame WINS

Nigoyukai
11-06-2012, 02:09 PM
Kisame has tanked much worse than an elemental attack
-7th gate guy
-V2 Bee
-Aoba's genjutsu
-bitting tounge
Kakazu's elemental attacks are not that strong
Kakazu would not even die to that attack.

Overall Kisame WINS
- He did, but he was left immobile afterwards.
-He most certainly did not tank that attack
- Nothing relevant about that genjutsu
-Nothing significant

But in a battle between a guy who uses elemental chakra ninjutsu and a guy who can suck up any chakra both with and without Samehada, not to mention one's adept at soloing Jinchurukis, Kisame does win this.

321zigzag3
11-06-2012, 05:17 PM
Another problem with Kisame vs Kakuzu is not just the waterdome or Samehada but the fact Kisame's sheer raw power and range of his jutsu are somewhat much greater than Kakuzu's range and raw power.

See even a theoretical Giant Shark Missile could knock him down.

But its the waterdome.

Some people say Doton > Suiton as a winning factor but Kakuzu's Iron Skin is not offensive.

PrinceofPeace
11-06-2012, 05:42 PM
Another problem with Kisame vs Kakuzu is not just the waterdome or Samehada but the fact Kisame's sheer raw power and range of his jutsu are somewhat much greater than Kakuzu's range and raw power.

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You so get me and I love it!

Hope we helped we Souret to show you that Kisame would win this`;)

tanduhman
11-06-2012, 09:31 PM
Thanks for the cover prince! didnt have time to write back haha

Devils Lawyer
11-26-2012, 06:37 AM
Waterdome shark summoning combo ends this casually for Kisame.

PrinceofPeace
11-26-2012, 03:42 PM
Thanks for the cover prince! didnt have time to write back haha

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