Modern Technology vs Narutoverse, Bleachverse and Onepieceverse

[Ultimate combatant]

Personally, I think either of the three verses would beat Modern Technology. But since there were debates that Narutoverse alone is not enough I decided to add Bleachverse and Onepieceverse. They all cooperate perfectly.
Armies of each country and their technology. Armies of ourverse cooperate perfectly, too.

Modern Technology is in ourverse. Narutoverse, Bleachverse and Onepieceverse are in Soul Society. Neither side has to take care of "balance that keeps world from crushing".

Neither at the beginning have any knowledge about other side (not even Authors).

Modern Technology side captures one weak average pirate from Onepieceverse, one who just graduated from Ninja academy and one who just became Shinigami. Or three are extremely weak but have general, average knowledge of their verse.

The other side captures one from USA, one from England and one from Japan. They are weak but have general, average knowledge.
Each side is resistant to ilnesses from other side. You can't hope to defeat other side by spreading a casual cold.

After that, each side gets preparation time of one year. During that time they can make researches on the other side or anything else other than attacking. After that, they are free to attack or whatever they want.

Rikudo Sennin, Soul King and Gol D. Roger are not fighting.

Who wins?!! :D

[Raiden]

Nah add them last 3, cause we well rape them too

[Ultimate combatant]

Nah add them last 3, cause we well rape them too

The three I mentioned lack feats. If I included them, we'd have to go with hype. With hype, any of those three easily beats Modern Technology!!! :D

[shinigan no sora]

Hst as a whole is a bit much for us but we would be able to take out each on an individual basis

With this we lose but take many of their numbers with us

[Raiden]

Hell no, Atom Smasher Nuff said :p

[Ultimate combatant]

Hell no, Atom Smasher Nuff said :p

Easier said than done!!! :D

[Raiden]

lol for real tho, I don't see how we can beat Black Beard unless he can get killed by a head shot

[Bacon]

Bleach has to have knowledge of humanity, that whole series revolved around humans.Where do you think hollows and reapers come from? :lol:

That said, bleach characters are undetected by normal people, so they can freely slaughter our world at their leisure.

[Raiden]

Not really, because God would smack the fire out them bottles of bleach and use them for cleaning our floors

[Shikamaru Nara]

God isn't technology.

[BMC1994]

Depends do we get biological warfare? because in that case we stomp :D.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Yeah. We did a thread like this before and that's what was decided.

[Bacon]

Not really, because God would smack the fire out them bottles of bleach and use them for cleaning our floors
God isn't a technological breakthrough

[Raiden]

God isn't technology.

You think I give a ? If ya throw in that "we can't see bleach characters" I'm a throw out my home boys Braman, God, and Sol who have shown much more powerful feats then a germ killing chemical known as bleach

[Bacon]

You think I give a ****? If yahoo throw in that "we can't see bleach characters" I'm a throw out my home boys Braman, God, and Sol who have shown much more powerful feats then a germ chemical known as bleach
Why are you getting so worked up, raiden? The series made the soul reapers our gaurdians because people can't see the hollows. If the reapers decide to kill us, there's really nothing anyone can do about it. An invisible hole opens in the sky and a million billion hollows swarm the planet. Eating everyone

:lol: There's no need to call me a yahoo. it's only a true fact

[Shikamaru Nara]

Quote me saying that. I would like to see it. :p

[Raiden]

Why are you getting so worked up, raiden? The series made the soul reapers our gaurdians because people can't see the hollows. If the reapers decide to kill us, there's really nothing anyone can do about it. An invisible hole opens in the sky and a million billion hollows swarm the planet. Eating everyone

:lol: There's no need to call me a yahoo. it's only a true fact

I wasn't just talking to you? lol I was talking to Shikamaru as well, my damn phone added yahoo :lol:

[shinigan no sora]

Bleach has to have knowledge of humanity, that whole series revolved around humans.Where do you think hollows and reapers come from? :lol:

That said, bleach characters are undetected by normal people, so they can freely slaughter our world at their leisure.

Actually no because that whole gimmick was retconned out of the series. Not even kubo recognizes it. Plus if you go back and read the BG guidlines/rules bleach characters are made visible as a default

Oh and raiden an atom smaher is just layman's terms for a particle. Accellerrator like the one in cern,swizterland: http://science.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher.htm

Its not something that can be efficiently used as a weapon.

But but we will very soon have orbital rail guns that strike with the same force as a nuke and can waste good sized cities with one or two shots

We could also weaponize flesh eating microbes fairly quickly if need be

[Is that an EAGLE?]

Mickie James gives everyone a nosebleed and they all die.

[Cult of Personality]

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[Raiden]

Actually no because that whole gimmick was retconned out of the series. Not even kubo recognizes it. Plus if you go back and read the BG guidlines/rules bleach characters are made visible as a default

Oh and raiden an atom smaher is just layman's terms for a particle. Accellerrator like the one in cern,swizterland: http://science.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher.htm

Its not something that can be efficiently used as a weapon.

But but we will very soon have orbital rail guns that strike with the same force as a nuke and can waste good sized cities with one or two shots

We could also weaponize flesh eating microbes fairly quickly if need be

I was thinking we would make a black hole out of the atom smasher and kill everybody lol

[Ultimate combatant]

How would you smuggle Atomic Bomb into Soul Society?!! :D

[Shikamaru Nara]

Swallow it like the Mexicans bringing drugs to America do and then crap it out in the morning? :D

[shinigan no sora]

@raiden:

There are many reasons to why that idea fails its ridiculous

http://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/userpics/48788/implied-facepalm1.jpg

@shika

You'd need a pretty big hooker to do that :lol:

@UC

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Waverider-490x329.jpg

[Bacon]

Actually no because that whole gimmick was retconned out of the series. Not even kubo recognizes it. Plus if you go back and read the BG guidlines/rules bleach characters are made visible as a default


:shock: It wasn't spectacular writing,but it was the basis of the series for the first major arcs. I don't see why it would be taken out, just to destroy ichigo's introductory character development.

:p Like I care about defaults, it's the canon from the story which matters.

[Ultimate combatant]

@UC

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Waverider-490x329.jpg

I don't think it would fit into Senkaimon gate!!! :D

[Vivi]

I don't think it would fit into Senkaimon gate!!! :D

Quite sure if a Gate can be opened that allows Hooleer to fit through then a plane like that can fit.

[shinigan no sora]

Then if all else fails:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197511_10150103375865653_500120652_6767894_6312817 _n.jpg

[Ultimate combatant]

Quite sure if a Gate can be opened that allows Hooleer to fit through then a plane like that can fit.

[About Senkaimon Gate] A black winged insect, the Jigokucho only Shinigami are permitted to carry, is needed to pass through it.

I don't think that plane can do it!!! :D

[shinigan no sora]

OP said we captured some of their people and at least one of them would need one of those bugs to come to our world. Ergo. Our side has at least one

Also I seem to remember hollows moving to and fro between the spirit and human worlds just fine

[Ultimate combatant]

OP said we captured some of their people and at least one of them would need one of those bugs to come to our world. Ergo. Our side has at least one

Only one Shinigami. Maximum of one Jigokucho.

Travel through the Senkaimon is heavily regulated and can officially only be opened by the members of the Kido Corps.

That too!!! :D

[shinigan no sora]

Only one Shinigami. Maximum of one Jigokucho.



That too!!! :D

But there are still three captives and if it is necesarry for each individual to have a bug then we have three if not then only one

Oh so now we have a contradiction not only to the canon material but to how you set up the match

[Vivi]

But there are still three captives and if it is necesarry for each individual to have a bug then we have three if not then only one

Oh so now we have a contradiction not only to the canon material but to how you set up the match


New name:
Kishi-kun

[shinigan no sora]

^or BS-san

[Ultimate combatant]

Oh so now we have a contradiction not only to the canon material but to how you set up the match

What are you saying? Naturally, you have to abide by how the match is set up. Default conditions apply only if it is not stated otherwise!!! :D

[shinigan no sora]

I'm. Reffering to the fact that you say only the kido corps can open the gates after saying that the only way to oopen the gate is with the bug. The latter implies that at least one fodder character out of the three captured has that bug. The former would imply he is fodder and in the kido corps which is a contradiction

So which is it?

Oh and in case you're wondering wikis and DB's are bad sources of info. Show where in the manga that those are the way it works without exception or admit your blunder

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

:p Like I care about defaults, it's the canon from the story which matters.

Normally yeah but when the story canon stops making consistent sense it is.subject to vs debate protocol for evidencd

And this doesn't just apply to bleach or Naruto there are entire story arcs from marvel and Dc that would be invalid here or any other vs section

Also people need to realize a fleet of b52's coul exterminate the five great villages inside of twelve hours

[Ultimate combatant]

I'm. Reffering to the fact that you say only the kido corps can open the gates after saying that the only way to oopen the gate is with the bug. The latter implies that at least one fodder character out of the three captured has that bug. The former would imply he is fodder and in the kido corps which is a contradiction

So which is it?

Oh and in case you're wondering wikis and DB's are bad sources of info. Show where in the manga that those are the way it works without exception or admit your blunder

Jigokucho is one of the things needed. Kido Corps control it on top of that.

I am not sure where in the Manga it is, so anyone has an idea, please tell. I will try to look for it. In the meanwhile, I hope this will satisfy you temporarily:

Bleach Official Character Book 2 MASKED; page 69

[shinigan no sora]

So in other words iasked you for a chapter and page number and you give me a goddamn databook


Again databooks are inadmissable as evidence. Either find where it is shown and said in the bleach manga or admit you were wrong

[BMC1994]

Dafuq cares(not to be rude). Biological Warfare>all. And we even get a year prep.

[Ultimate combatant]

So in other words iasked you for a chapter and page number and you give me a goddamn databook


Again databooks are inadmissable as evidence. Either find where it is shown and said in the bleach manga or admit you were wrong

In other words, you asked me for a chapter and a page number. Here it is:

Chapter 231, Page 5

Will that do? Sorry it took so long!!! :D

[Raiden]

@raiden:

There are many reasons to why that idea fails its ridiculous

http://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/userpics/48788/implied-facepalm1.jpg

@shika

You'd need a pretty big hooker to do that :lol:

@UC

http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Waverider-490x329.jpg
Dooms day theory try hard

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Dafuq cares(not to be rude). Biological Warfare>all. And we even get a year prep.

do we even need it? the bio weapons I mean

The Flu alone can likely wipe out half the planetary population of the NU




Bleach Official Character Book 2 MASKED; page 69

Data Books: famous for being laughably inaccurate this form of evidence will be used as secondary canon only when not contradicted (if the Data Book in question has even one inconsistency then the entire book will not be allowed to be used as evidence)

from the rules

[Devils Lawyer]

Modern technology has one drawback human beings. Before a human being can use said technology they get slaughtered. Especially with all those individuals who can just pop up where they please. Then there are individuals in each series capable of using large scale terroristic tactics including biowarfare. Then you add to the fact no one would get close enough to them. Each series has l surveillance capabilities better then satellites. Then there is the fact.each series has a way to.casually.put normal human beings to sleep on a large scale especially bleach.

[Nigoyukai]

Kubo's ink solos.

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

Full out war is a very complicated event. Even more so when different universes are involved.

With a full year of prep, it is truly unknown how both sides will act. In my opinion, If I were on the manga/anime side I would move everybody to the hollow realm. Even if regular humans could find a way into the Soul Society, the anime verses should still be safe since they would be in a different dimension. If that is the case, then the anime verse starts with a enormous advantage, the fact that they can stall and wait from the safety of another dimension. Remember, it is all of bleach, however I am not sure what timeline we are using. Is Aizen alive? What about the Arrancar? If so, then moving into Hueco Mundo would be easy.


Furthermore, would bio warfare even work on hollows+ Arrancar? They are made up of energy so I doubt it.

Another thing to look at is the aspect of information. An average human is going to know more about the abilities of their own verse than an average shinigami or ninja.
Regular humans would only so have so much to work with.

If the anime realm relocates to hueco Mundo( Which would be the smartest thing to do, so they should) Then things like bombs, missiles etc would be obsolete. Bio warefare could work, but if any major people get hit, Orihime could probably heal them and again I doubt bio warfare would work on arrancars.

I really don't understand why biowarfare is treated like the king of gods, the anime verses have scientist too, ones that in my opinion greatly surpass the regular human scientist. Kabuto, can bring back the dead. He was able to mix his freakin genes with other individuals to gain their powers. Gene splicing on that level is way above the regular human realm. Then we have Kurosuchi -(not sure about spelling, the scientist guy from bleach who has his face painted) replaced all of his organs with fake ones. With kabuto and Kurosuchi working together with geniuses like Urahara, Aizen, Shikamaru I don't see humankind creating a new practical super-weapon before the anime universe does.

Don't forget, in this scenario such a massive pupulation can be a hindrance ( who leads the front?) What is the best approach? Who does what? What should be studied? With the whole world working together, it is going to be extremely complicated to become organized. With only a single year, its not enough. Again, the actions, decisions, breakthroughs cannot be determined their are to many factors to consider however in my opinion the feats of beings and the time constraints of scientific masterminds like kabuto ( A casual Gene Manipulator) and Kurosuchi have the potential to surpass the massive amounts of scientist on the regular human side.

Since the anime characters are staying in a different realm, guerilla warfare is a real threat. Beings like Aizen disintegrate regular humans just by getting near them. Forget a legitimate reistu crush.

The advantage is that the anime characters using bleach technology can just come and go, wreaking havoc in an instant and then waring back.

Again, a full out war is very hard to talk argue about. Because of all the aspects that are involved. I have tried to go over the main ones. While the war could really go into either directions I hope my post will stop all of the senseless and illogical ones. Really,the flu killing half of NU. So what I hope you are talking about the fodder, in a seriousness they barely matter you could make this war high tiers only and it would have a similar outcome.I bet Kabuto, Tsunade, would find a cure. If not Orihime hax. Edo Tensei, etc. Again I doubt diseases affect Arrancar. The Bleachverse has ability to give all of its individual hollow powers. They could just use he hygoku or make more depending on the timeline being used. Did users actually read the OP? Their is no Author hax. So no, ink doesnot solo. Furthermore, I am really tired of all the bleach hate. Be serious, this isnot a joke forum, the product Bleach isnot what we are arguing.
Furthermore, I doubt things like God destroying all mankinds enemies is kinds annoying. ( Where is the fun in that)?. I believe that any technology mankind can come up with the bleachverse plus the smartest from Naruto and One Piece have a chance of matching it. The bleachverse has some "Neat Gadgets".
Dimension Gates
Memory altering devices
Kabuto Gene Splicing
I am sure their are many more.

I only focused mainly on the bleachverse due to most of the knowledge I have in it relative to the other two Universes.

[Dragon Style]

Let's see biological warfare, the atom bomb, the hydrogen bomb along with all other nuclear weapons we have. Why I believe that's GG for everyone else.

[BMC1994]

With a full year of prep, it is truly unknown how both sides will act. In my opinion, If I were on the manga/anime side I would move everybody to the hollow realm. Even if regular humans could find a way into the Soul Society, the anime verses should still be safe since they would be in a different dimension. If that is the case, then the anime verse starts with a enormous advantage, the fact that they can stall and wait from the safety of another dimension.
They have to come out someday at which point we nuke them.

Furthermore, would bio warfare even work on hollows+ Arrancar? They are made up of energy so I doubt it.
They have blood so it does work.
This is where kubo fails fails you. Arrancar/Shinigami have been shown to be affected by Age and Poisoning, Also drugs which work through smell ( Kyouka suigetsu, Shinjis shikai(i forgot the name) etc etc etc.

Another thing to look at is the aspect of information. An average human is going to know more about the abilities of their own verse than an average shinigami or ninja. Regular humans would only so have so much to work with.
The thing is people in our world have access to this thing called manga where all the knowledge of the concerning verse is written in.

If the anime realm relocates to hueco Mundo Then things like bombs, missiles etc would be obsolete. Bio warefare could work, but if any major people get hit, Orihime could probably heal them and again I doubt bio warfare would work on arrancars.
This 1 is quite simple we do what no one in bleach ever has thought before. Kill Orihime with a sniper a machine gun etc. Orohime unlike all other bleach fighters has the strenght/stamina of an avarage human girl which she happens to be. If poisoning/sense manipulation and aging works bio warfare has a fair chance.

About the relocating its an battle so they have to come out someday at which point we will detect them in 2 seconds and nuke them to bits.[/U]

I really don't understand why biowarfare is treated like the king of gods,
Because it is why do you think we banned it?

the anime verses have scientist too, ones that in my opinion greatly surpass the regular human scientist. Kabuto, can bring back the dead. He was able to mix his freakin genes with other individuals to gain their powers. Gene splicing on that level is way above the regular human realm.
Uhh no we do that with rats for fun. They bring back the dead with jutsu not science. We can do what kabuto did and more the only thing whats stopping us are ethics but i doubt ethics will play a role when the entire planet is attacked.

Then we have Kurosuchi -(not sure about spelling, the scientist guy from bleach who has his face painted) replaced all of his organs with fake ones. With kabuto and Kurosuchi working together with geniuses like Urahara, Aizen, Shikamaru I don't see humankind creating a new practical super-weapon before the anime universe does.
We already have them and they are called nukes. GG. The onyl true genius there is mayuri/urahara they have not shown impressive things. besides they aint surving any nuke.
The anime has a limited amount of great minds i mean science wise they have: (not strategy wise) Mayuri and his team/building whatever it was called.Kabuto/OrochimaruDr.Vegapunk and his team.Meanwhile we have idk how university spread in idk how many countries specializing in idk how many fields. The only 1 of these verse that even compare to our science is bleach.

Don't forget, in this scenario such a massive pupulation can be a hindrance ( who leads the front?) With the whole world working together, it is going to be extremely complicated to become organized. With only a single year, its not enough. Again, the actions, decisions, breakthroughs cannot be determined their are to many factors to consider however in my opinion the feats of beings and the time constraints of scientific masterminds like kabuto ( A casual Gene Manipulator) and Kurosuchi have the potential to surpass the massive amounts of scientist on the regular human side.
I dont think so at all. You know we also casually manipulate genes. Just to make our food taste better. Just saying.

Since the anime characters are staying in a different realm, guerilla warfare is a real threat. Beings like Aizen disintegrate regular humans just by getting near them. Forget a legitimate reistu crush.
With a year prep we can laser them from space if we wanted. No need to even get near him. A bunch of high school kids survived aizens presence i am sure the seals or green barets or whatever 1337 organisation will be fine.

The advantage is that the anime characters using bleach technology can just come and go, wreaking havoc in an instant and then waring back.
What technology has bleach shown that we do not have or cannot reproduce?

Again, a full out war is very hard to talk argue about. Because of all the aspects that are involved. I have tried to go over the main ones. While the war could really go into either directions I hope my post will stop all of the senseless and illogical ones. Really,the flu killing half of NU.
Foreign diseases have always been known to be civilization wipers.
You remembers native americans? Most of them died before the got infected with unknown diseases of the west which their immune could not defend against. So that isnt really illogical infact it has already happened.

So what I hope you are talking about the fodder, in a seriousness they barely matter you could make this war high tiers only and it would have a similar outcome.I bet Kabuto, Tsunade, would find a cure. If not Orihime hax. Edo Tensei, etc
Then we blow them up with lasers from space or a snipe/machine whatever. Or just Nuke them and their surroundings. Really we will have found them in a second with our satelittes then its just dropping the bomb on their heads. Cement > Edo tensei.

Again I doubt diseases affect Arrancar.
They have blood, are suspicable to thing like age/poison diseases would probably effect arrancars even if not we can just throw around knockout gas.
Or Acid Gas for teh lulz.
I believe that any technology mankind can come up with the bleachverse plus the smartest from Naruto and One Piece have a chance of matching it
No totally not even close.

The bleachverse has some "Neat Gadgets".
We also have neat gadgets called cluster bombs, atomic bombs and machine guns. Not to teargas and its more deadly variants.
And Space Lazers should be doable in a year.

Dimension Gates
Internet/Planes.
Memory altering devices
Lasers through teh brains./Weed. :P
Kabuto Gene Splicing
Again we do that to make our food taste better thats old news.

Your underestimating humans :P

[Ultimate combatant]

Your underestimating humans :P

I'd say you are underestimating their opponents!!! :D

[BMC1994]

How about supporting that statement since this is supposed to be an debate?(no offense but what youre saying could go back and forth for ages and ages and ages etc.)

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

You have a great point, ethics do play a large role in human scientific advancement which could be why some manga's seem to be more advanced. Im not that up to date with laser technology, so I can't really argue against you on that point even though I would like to. Lasers from space in a year seem to much like sci-fi to me.

Another things, while yes you are right even if the enemies are hiding in another dimension they have to come out to attack. I disagree with the statement that satellites will find them in a second. Even if they did, find them in a second it would take time to actually drop a nuke on them. Again if we did have lasers then yeah, we could hit them from space quickly however I still doubt a satellite will find them when they could literally appear anywhere. I mean, I agree I even said earlier that a year is alot of time you may be right with the laser thing but if thats the case, what to stopping tobi from casting eternal Tsykiomi on the Moon? While he hasnot done it yet, humans don't have lasers from space, I believe that Tobi using Eternal Tsykiomi is just as probable as humans getting instant satellite tracking and lasers from space.

However, you do have a good point it was ignorant to think that Arrancar couldnot get sick, when it is obvious that they could.

I comletely disagree with your killing Orihime tactic, she is so powerfull that I doubt they would ever let her leave the dimension, yeah the high teirs could, but logically they should never let Orihime leave the saftey of their private dimension, so shooting her is out of the picture.

Again, you state we would detect them in 2 seconds, I disagree and even if we did dropping a bomb would take time to get their, enough time to go back home. (gurilla warfar is their best chance).

furthermore you state that they have to come out, well I disagree they arenot stupid and not all of them are going to come out, even if we bomb most of the anime armies
they arenot that stupud to just rush out and attack if they know they are going to loose.


Im sorry, if this debate keeps going back and forth, but if the anime verse plays it safe I really dont see us winning, Orihime stays back in home dimension, Tsunade and Kabuto I believe could deal with any Biowarfar tactics.IF not Orihime hax. Nuking shouldnot work from saftey of hueco mundo, and their is no reason why Orihime should be leaving the safe area. Furthermore, again Edo Tensei ressurection even if Orihime dies she can be revived via Edo Tensei.

Lets say Bleach has Dangai Ichigo, in my opinion he could be warped to human world and attack and leave before satilite tracking and nukes would find him.

If not, Tobi uses Infinite Tsykiomi.

I don't no that much about one piece, but I know that they are supposed to be as strong as bleach and Naruto verses its a shame that I cannot include them to argue but I would be gratefull if someone could argue for me using one -piece characters all I know is that White Beard is like rediculously strong. LIke he would mess up
our ecosystems easily royally screwing us over.

[BMC1994]

Lasers from space in a year seem to much like sci-fi to me.

It is farfetched but we already have lasers we can have to increase it size apply it to a satellite-space ship and ta/dah lasers from space. (Maybe Gatlingguns on Air Crafts circulating the earth would be a more realistic idea?)
I disagree with the statement that satellites will find them in a second. Even if they did, find them in a second it would take time to actually drop a nuke on them. Again if we did have lasers then yeah, we could hit them from space quickly however I still doubt a satellite will find them when they could literally appear anywhere. I mean, I agree I even said earlier that a year is alot of time you may be right with the laser thing but if thats the case, what to stopping tobi from casting eternal Tsykiomi on the Moon

The Eternal Tsukuyomi Affects Everyone including the anime verses its the equivalent of a mental suicide bomb.

While he hasnot done it yet, humans don't have lasers from space, I believe that Tobi using Eternal Tsykiomi is just as probable as humans getting instant satellite tracking and lasers from space.

Instant satellite tracking isnt farfetched at all infact where are all already doing stuff like that. Satellites with the abilty to observe the earth from space already exist that combined with teams from over the entire world who monitor all detections. And not to mention social media-internet etc. They wont be able to hide for long.

I comletely disagree with your killing Orihime tactic, she is so powerfull that I doubt they would ever let her leave the dimension, yeah the high teirs could, but logically they should never let Orihime leave the saftey of their private dimension, so shooting her is out of the picture.
True.
furthermore you state that they have to come out, well I disagree they arenot stupid and not all of them are going to come out, even if we bomb most of the anime armies they arenot that stupud to just rush out and attack if they know they are going to loose.
What else can they do? Just all live happily in hueco mundo forever? That would destroy the whole point of battle. We cant move towards them due to lack of dimension manipulation so its their move.

Orihime stays back in home dimension, Tsunade and Kabuto I believe could deal with any Biowarfar tactics.
You think just 2 great minds even equal the brain power we have on earth While we are conjuring mini back holes and such in laboratoria and other things that far exceed anything the other verses have shown?

IF not Orihime hax. Nuking shouldnot work from saftey of hueco mundo, and their is no reason why Orihime should be leaving the safe area.
Why If something can come out of the gate(fighters) then something can go into the gate(Nukes/rockets/bombs)

Furthermore, again Edo Tensei ressurection even if Orihime dies she can be revived via Edo Tensei.
True but i would imagine us using some freezing or paralyzing agent to disarm the edos.

Lets say Bleach has Dangai Ichigo, in my opinion he could be warped to human world and attack and leave before satilite tracking and nukes would find him.

Before the nukes sure, but i am sure we will find him. Cameras dont have the limitations of human eyes.

If not, Tobi uses Infinite Tsykiomi.

Yes but that affects everyone and we do not even completely know what it does.

I don't no that much about one piece, but I know that they are supposed to be as strong as bleach and Naruto verses its a shame that I cannot include them to argue but I would be gratefull if someone could argue for me using one -piece characters all I know is that White Beard is like rediculously strong. LIke he would mess up
our ecosystems easily royally screwing us over.


I watch OP(I really recommend it its an great anime) and battlewise they steamroll naruto and bleach (atleast the OP top tiers do that) Getting rid of logia sure would be a problem but they can be battled by taking counter measures against their respective element. Further a nuke could take care of most of one pieceverse save for the logia maybe which would still be affected by it somehow.

[Ultimate combatant]

Urahara, Kurotsuchi, Aizen, Vegapunk, Kabuto, Orochimaru outmatch Modern Technology!!! :D

Also, Narutoverse, Bleachverse and Onepieceverse can just send one by one to beat Modern Technology!!! :D

[shinigan no sora]

One by one lol. I'm sorry but that's the dumbset thing I've heard

They send even top teirs out one by one we can kill them with infantry and snipers

And know they don't. Outmatch modern tech. Considering they've never created anything as powerful as nuclear arms from their science. Theirs is certainly admirable but lol now it doesn't compare. Because if their sciences are greater than ours why don't they have airconditioning and other things of modern comfort for their civilian as well as their fighting classes?

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

So basically disregarding future scientific endeavors like lasers and super rail-guns from the moon mankind's most reliably way of winning seems to be the nuke.

However, I have problems believing we could actually land a hit with a nuke. High teirs like Naruto, Dangai Ichigo, Whitebeard don't need very long to cause massive amounts of damage. Earlier I proposed that some of the high teirs would warp to the human world and wreak havoc. Bijudama+ Ichigo Swing+ Blachbeard Black Hole?+ Whitebeard is alot of damage and I believe they could do damage and leave ( I am imaging they leave the same way Aizen left Soul Society in the beggining of the series- With the light beams comming down from the sky) before a nuke would be dropped on them. It doesnot take long for a gragantua to close/open so their is not alot of time to sent a nuke through it, it my opinion their is not even close for enough time for satilite tracking to work, and it takes time to notify the people in charge and even more time to physically sending the nuke, furthermore while Eternal Tsykomi is an unknown and mabey even suicidal, nukes are just as bad in a sense. Imagining that it is almost impossible to track down the portal and send a nuke through it before it closes, the nukes are going to try and take out the high teirs. But what if the high teirs attack populated areas. Nukes have massive AOE and leave the land wasted for future use. Again nukes are used sparingly because they are so deadly. However, again I don't think its realistic that we could hit the anime characters before they warp
back home, all they need is tobi to war to saftey, and then to for their headcorderes to warp with by using Aizens method of leaving (again the way he left soul society in the begining of the series). and it doesnot even take that long for naruto to use bijudama, Ichigo to swing, or Whitebeard to go all Quake Quake fruit on us. Every ecosystem in the world is connected, Yammamato using his fire ability on the ice caps would have catastrohic affects on the world. Again, the basis of this war would be guarrilla tactics, the anime world has in my opinion enough fast acting hitters, that could do alot of damage before a nuke is sent their way. It doesnot take long for them to go/leave.

As a last resort, the hygoku is kinds like Bleach's nuke in a sense. Its their ultimate weapon. Mass producing hygokus while hard, sure seems possible. Imagine every high tier having a hygoku just incase. Giving the weak low tears Hyogoku would make even them incredibly strong, while not nuke durability, speed and AOE damage is increased.

Could Barragon disinigrate a nuke with respira? Imagine his power increases via hyogoku, then could he?
What if different worlds intergrate technologie. Whitebeard with hygoky? Naruto with one?

In conclusion I think the anime worlds can win because I beleive that while they don't necesarily hit harder than we do, they can hit faster and then teleport to saftey.

Furthermore, from my understanding bleach doesnot have aircondition cause the characters are traditionlist. They could but they are used to the old ways, most of them are very old remember?

Logia intangibilty is a real threat. How do we nuke someone going lightning speed?

While ninja donot use henge in their own world to often, its because it is so commonly known that it is easy to recognize. I believe it would greatly allow for infiltration and corrupption amongst the humans. How do we acknowledge who is a shinigami? Or a shinobi.

[Cult of Personality]

Narutoverse gets raped.

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

I agree, Narutoverse doesnot realistically stand a chance however, what about combined efforts of the three, Narutoverse, One Piece Verse, and Bleachverse. What if they combined technologies? Naruto with devil fruits? One Piece with justu?

They do have 1 year prep.

Furthermore, I think alot of individuals unfortunatly underate the NU, while I admit I am a fan so I am bias I still think NU still has alot of abilities to contribute.

While not really related here is my opinion on BM Naruto.
This is based off of his training. Remember he had trouble stacking stone blocks not because he couldnot lift them but because he was so strong that he crushed them to pieces. Basically, if naruto were to give you a hug at that point he would crush you into little bits. In my opinion, he is holding back in the manga not through lack of effort, but because he cannot control his true power yet. Furthermore remeber KN4 Durability? Imagine how much durability he gets now, powerscaling should prevent bullets from damaging him. --Just my thoughts, Naruto with a year of prep with shadow clones hax learning he has potential to become infinitly stronger.

[Cult of Personality]

One Piece and Bleach help the real world wipe out Team Naruto then surrender and join forces with us. :P

[Devils Lawyer]

There is no technology on this planet thay can stop Tobi...I mean Obito. He releases a bijuu disappears repeat the process. If we had the technology to track someone like that it wouldn't take years to find a billionaire terrorist. Which is why you individuals are delusional if you think modern society can win. Give us two years.

[Cult of Personality]

Tobi...I mean Obito.

*punches you in the face*

[Devils Lawyer]

*punches you in the face*

Don't run from the truth embrace it.::lol:

[JLI2infinity]

LOL This thread reminds me of that episode of Justice League where a team of highly trained humans, infiltrated the Justice League HQ and stole an important piece of technology then escaped using the League's resources and abilities against them. The people in these manga universes are far too comfortable with their own set of powers. Humans are used to being weak and having to be resourceful. We don't just have this guide that says: learn how to mold chakra, or eat this fruit, or temper your spiritual pressure. We have our ordinary physically unimpressive (relative to the rest of the animal kingdom) bodies and our minds.

People are seriously underestimating our universe and the lengths to which people will go to kill. And I'm not just talking about the United States as a military power, I mean groups of soldiers fighting for their lives without any regard for diplomacy. This isn't manga, we are trying to rack up the kills here. Send in a mule with a pouch full of sarin if they try to take prisoners. I don't care if Yamamoto is about to roast an entire city he won't be alive long with his lungs, heart, and intestines experiencing the most violent spasms imaginable as his brain is slowly deprived of oxygen.

Someone already answered that question about uberhax healers, snipe them from miles away from the battlefield.

Cholera and virulent strains of E. coli to pollute the enemies drinking water, say bye bye to the One Piece gang and any fodder ninja and shinigami.

Taking out space-time manipulators, mountain busters, and those who manipulate minds would be our biggest priority. But I don't see why everyone here is saying NUKE NUKE NUKE, we have smaller explosives powerful enough to create vacuums upon impact, we don't need to risk the lives of millions of people and decades worth the radioactive fall out from an H-bomb when we can just send in precision guided missiles.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Your underestimating humans :P

yeah he is but you have done an excellent job of debunking his posts

I'd also add as I told him in a prior thread..a college student can lease ground penetrating radar from his paleontology department and the US can and has detecting top secret underground nuclear testing half a world a way..with pinpoint nearly perfect accuracy

essentially if we can google earth map out neighborhoods and sniff out when maniac dictators are testing bombs on the other side of the planet locating and then proceeding to utterly nuke and demolish a bunch of super humans..is easy peasy

[Devils Lawyer]

yeah he is but you have done an excellent job of debunking his posts

I'd also add as I told him in a prior thread..a college student can lease ground penetrating radar from his paleontology department and the US can and has detecting top secret underground nuclear testing half a world a way..with pinpoint nearly perfect accuracy

essentially if we can google earth map out neighborhoods and sniff out when maniac dictators are testing bombs on the other side of the planet locating and then proceeding to utterly nuke and demolish a bunch of super humans..is easy peasy

Nuclear testing is extremely is easy to find considering the radiation. Human beings are entirely different entity to find. Hence why our most wanted list stay stacked. Finding bomb makers who use and order tech is easy. Finding a superhuman being who create bombs from nothing is entirely different concept . Again it took us years to hunt down some of the most wealthy terrorist in the world. They didn't have any ground breaking technology hiding them. As a matter of fact they are practically primitive when it comes to weaponry.
LOL This thread reminds me of that episode of Justice League where a team of highly trained humans, infiltrated the Justice League HQ and stole an important piece of technology then escaped using the League's resources and abilities against them. The people in these manga universes are far too comfortable with their own set of powers. Humans are used to being weak and having to be resourceful. We don't just have this guide that says: learn how to mold chakra, or eat this fruit, or temper your spiritual pressure. We have our ordinary physically unimpressive (relative to the rest of the animal kingdom) bodies and our minds.

People are seriously underestimating our universe and the lengths to which people will go to kill. And I'm not just talking about the United States as a military power, I mean groups of soldiers fighting for their lives without any regard for diplomacy. This isn't manga, we are trying to rack up the kills here. Send in a mule with a pouch full of sarin if they try to take prisoners. I don't care if Yamamoto is about to roast an entire city he won't be alive long with his lungs, heart, and intestines experiencing the most violent spasms imaginable as his brain is slowly deprived of oxygen.

Someone already answered that question about uberhax healers, snipe them from miles away from the battlefield.

Cholera and virulent strains of E. coli to pollute the enemies drinking water, say bye bye to the One Piece gang and any fodder ninja and shinigami.

Taking out space-time manipulators, mountain busters, and those who manipulate minds would be our biggest priority. But I don't see why everyone here is saying NUKE NUKE NUKE, we have smaller explosives powerful enough to create vacuums upon impact, we don't need to risk the lives of millions of people and decades worth the radioactive fall out from an H-bomb when we can just send in precision guided missiles.
Everything you named requires locating and tracking beings who can teleport. Name one piece if tech can detect hypersonic beings at any given time. Also name a piece of tech capable of instantly finding human beings without zero intel.

[JLI2infinity]

Everything you named requires locating and tracking beings who can teleport. Name one piece if tech can detect hypersonic beings at any given time. Also name a piece of tech capable of instantly finding human beings without zero intel.

You're right, teleporters are a problem however, they tend not to be the most destructive characters and in order to take down our universe they will eventually have to teleport inside of a stronghold and fight. At that point we can use things like sound based weaponry. High level frequencies that deafen and paralyze enemies aren't just science fiction. Or someone could pump hydrogen cyanide through the building which is colorless and odorless (to everyone except a select few individuals with the genetic trait to smell it) gas that is not only highly poisonous but gradually effects the central nervous system affecting a person's ability to focus, most organ systems, and of course an individual's perception of space and time.

[Devils Lawyer]

You're right, teleporters are a problem however, they tend not to be the most destructive characters and in order to take down our universe they will eventually have to teleport inside of a stronghold and fight. At that point we can use things like sound based weaponry. High level frequencies that deafen and paralyze enemies aren't just science fiction. Or someone could pump hydrogen cyanide through the building which is colorless and odorless (to everyone except a select few individuals with the genetic trait to smell it) gas that is not only highly poisonous but gradually effects the central nervous system affecting a person's ability to focus, most organ systems, and of course an individual's perception of space and time.

Tobi is the strongest teleporter hst has. But he is extremely effective. He walks around with bijuu on a leash. Not only that magic eyeball would see the cyanide during its release and he would phase away. Bleach portals allow for mass teleportations.. Blackbeard would make the world pissed themselves with an earthquake. City would collapse because of him before they rake him out. Then we get into speed with individuals as fast as our fastest weapons. The only thing humans have is numbers.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Nuclear testing is extremely is easy to find considering the radiation.
]

you're right..but I'm talking about the seismic activity from the blasts DL, you were in the military or are, you know about the old cold war listening posts under water? Where the USSR and USN basically wire tapped the ocean..

this technology is sixty years old..if we can detect Morse code accurately enough deep below the ocean despite all the other audio distractions and dinosaur fossils with this tech we should be able to sniff out Zetsus...

mind ye..sniffing them out and managing a counter attack before ambush is another matter but detection..shouldn't be an issue


Human beings are entirely different entity to find. Hence why our most wanted list stay stacked. Finding bomb makers who use and order tech is easy. Finding a superhuman being who create bombs from nothing is entirely different concept . Again it took us years to hunt down some of the most wealthy terrorist in the world. They didn't have any ground breaking technology hiding them. As a matter of fact they are practically primitive when it comes to weaponry.

these individuals have a basic concept of what they're up against..Whitey Bolger had the advantage of having an extensive resource base and being..very generic looking and thus able to lay low..Bin Ladin fought the Soviets and was among those trained by the CIA (or was trained by the ones propped up by the CIA I forget which) so again basic training and a concept and even then..neither men stayed free for long

Everything you named requires locating and tracking beings who can teleport. Name one piece if tech can detect hypersonic beings at any given time. Also name a piece of tech capable of instantly finding human beings without zero intel.

the same technology hundreds of scientists in universities all around the world use to track Asteroids that move hundreds of thousands of miles per second... in other solar systems at times

hell we can calculate the trajectory of these objects..And this done by organizations that operate on a mere fraction of the US or British or Chinese military... turning that tech inward..is easy

besides DL we're not talking about..the big say five (and Russia) carrying the rest of the world..we're talking about every major and minor powers entire economy industry..science everything..thrown into stopping these super humans

it's a scary thought..imagine the US in the modern age..and say Japan or China alone going on a total war footing.. like we did during world war two..the magnitude of our industry of what both parties would be producing..weekly..daily.. alone we'd be able to simply drown the World Navy in chemical weapons...bury souls society in bombs..and block the skies out above the hidden villages

then there's the rest of the world as back up..all of them ratcheting it up to eleven

you honestly think we're boned? I call MAD at the very least...and if we;re really lucky..third world countries absorb the most casualties and we end up with a billion or so dead..minimum and all the rest of our enemies dead a thousand times over

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Even if we didn't have te tech and everything to take the entire HST,shouldn't it be more than easy enough to make considering A.what we already do have. and B.we know all their weaknesses.

considering that the flu virus stands a good chance of virtually exterminating them...yeah

[Devils Lawyer]

you're right..but I'm talking about the seismic activity from the blasts DL, you were in the military or are, you know about the old cold war listening posts under water? Where the USSR and USN basically wire tapped the ocean..

this technology is sixty years old..if we can detect Morse code accurately enough deep below the ocean despite all the other audio distractions and dinosaur fossils with this tech we should be able to sniff out Zetsus...

mind ye..sniffing them out and managing a counter attack before ambush is another matter but detection..shouldn't be an issue




these individuals have a basic concept of what they're up against..Whitey Bolger had the advantage of having an extensive resource base and being..very generic looking and thus able to lay low..Bin Ladin fought the Soviets and was among those trained by the CIA (or was trained by the ones propped up by the CIA I forget which) so again basic training and a concept and even then..neither men stayed free for long

I still am I am just reserve now I prefer the civilian world get paid more. But do to my skill set I get activated a lot and I can honestly look out at our military and be like Nah we wouldnt win. We are smart and have the weapons but We wouldnt last aginst individuals who take a sword or knife through the gut and keep in coming.

I never said we couldnt detect them. It's tagging them before they disappear is what I am challenging. Zetsu would be a worse opponent than Whitebeard in a war. He is a plant that can live through the planet instantly. He would massacre bases and facilities. Best bet would be the sea.



the same technology hundreds of scientists in universities all around the world use to track Asteroids that move hundreds of thousands of miles per second... in other solar systems at times

hell we can calculate the trajectory of these objects..And this done by organizations that operate on a mere fraction of the US or British or Chinese military... turning that tech inward..is easy
You are talking about objects that move in a linear pattern that hardly change course. Hst doesn't follow a pattern exactly. Our threats are Narutoverse and Bleach who are trained against serious detection. I believe that op would get wiped out for the most part due to their lack of organization.

besides DL we're not talking about..the big say five (and Russia) carrying the rest of the world..we're talking about every major and minor powers entire economy industry..science everything..thrown into stopping these super humans

it's a scary thought..imagine the US in the modern age..and say Japan or China alone going on a total war footing.. like we did during world war two..the magnitude of our industry of what both parties would be producing..weekly..daily.. alone we'd be able to simply drown the World Navy in chemical weapons...bury souls society in bombs..and block the skies out above the hidden villages
I know our weapons and we can easily wipe them off the map. But that is if we can catch them. Society has grown but their is still holes that can be exploited. There is a only a hand ful of character's that are threats to us. They are big threats to us though. Specifically Tobi who has a full arsenal and high speed telportation over massive distances.

then there's the rest of the world as back up..all of them ratcheting it up to eleven

you honestly think we're boned? I call MAD at the very least...and if we;re really lucky..third world countries absorb the most casualties and we end up with a billion or so dead..minimum and all the rest of our enemies dead a thousand times over
I won't say bones but unprepared. You have to factor in fear. Like I said people would pies themselves if Blackbeard started a big ass earthquake. Nobody would even think straight.
.

[JLI2infinity]

Tobi is the strongest teleporter hst has. But he is extremely effective. He walks around with bijuu on a leash. Not only that magic eyeball would see the cyanide during its release and he would phase away. Bleach portals allow for mass teleportations.. Blackbeard would make the world pissed themselves with an earthquake. City would collapse because of him before they rake him out. Then we get into speed with individuals as fast as our fastest weapons. The only thing humans have is numbers.

Sharingan sees cyanide??? *scratches head* How? Cyanide is colorless and humans don't have chakra nor are we pumping chakra through it. We have a year of prep so natural disaster emergency plans and bunkers would be well thought out. Moreoever, we would know to move our most important bases onto the sea and underwater. To kill Blackbeard predator drones drop a rocket propelled incendiary missile on him (it was the thing we used in Transformers to penetrate the armor of that scorpion Decepticon). The attack has is extremely fast and has a large AoE in case he dodges. It will leave him in the most indescribable pain of his life as he wishes his lungs would explode rather than feel like their pumping seeping hot lava throughout his body while his skin slowly melts from his bones.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I still am I am just reserve now I prefer the civilian world get paid more. But do to my skill set I get activated a lot and I can honestly look out at our military and be like Nah we wouldnt win. We are smart and have the weapons but We wouldnt last aginst individuals who take a sword or knife through the gut and keep in coming. ]

Why not? the vast majority of the HST is only slightly superhuman and they're dramatically more of us- we have far nastier weapons open to our "chunnin" level guys - the problem is people like tobi Yamamoto and Pein and white beard

You served in the middle east right? General Mattis, you honestly think a guy that ruthless and nuts is not gonna order a tactical nuke over Baghdad the moment Tobi demolishes a section of it?

I never said we couldnt detect them. It's tagging them before they disappear is what I am challenging. Zetsu would be a worse opponent than Whitebeard in a war. He is a plant that can live through the planet instantly. He would massacre bases and facilities. Best bet would be the sea.


we should be able to slaughter 90% of them... it's the big guys we need to be afraid of

You are talking about objects that move in a linear pattern that hardly change course. Hst doesn't follow a pattern exactly. Our threats are Narutoverse and Bleach who are trained against serious detection. I believe that op would get wiped out for the most part due to their lack of organization.

in a linear pattern? not all of them and they do this on a three dimensional plane we know very little about..

I agree with OP they have the worse fire power but the worse coordination


I know our weapons and we can easily wipe them off the map. But that is if we can catch them. Society has grown but their is still holes that can be exploited. There is a only a hand ful of character's that are threats to us. They are big threats to us though. Specifically Tobi who has a full arsenal and high speed telportation over massive distances.

sure but our enemies also have some rather crippling flaws that can be exploited too and there's more of us


I won't say bones but unprepared. You have to factor in fear. Like I said people would pies themselves if Blackbeard started a big ass earthquake. Nobody would even think straight.
.

I think that will work for the first few attacks.. then people stop being afraid and start being angry

[Devils Lawyer]

Sharingan sees cyanide??? *scratches head* How? Cyanide is colorless and humans don't have chakra nor are we pumping chakra through it. We have a year of prep so natural disaster emergency plans and bunkers would be well thought out. Moreoever, we would know to move our most important bases onto the sea and underwater. To kill Blackbeard predator drones drop a rocket propelled incendiary missile on him (it was the thing we used in Transformers to penetrate the armor of that scorpion Decepticon). The attack has is extremely fast and has a large AoE in case he dodges. It will leave him in the most indescribable pain of his life as he wishes his lungs would explode rather than feel like their pumping seeping hot lava throughout his body while his skin slowly melts from his bones.

Chakra is life energy. It is multiversal in fiction. So yes we do have chakra. Also the sharigan was capable of seeing deidara's bomb on a microscopic level. So why can't he see cyanide. Our bunkers will only be protected to a certain degree. But extremely doubtful they are stopping an individual who can walk through any material..

I agree Blackbeard would die fairly easy. But not before he creates the world greatest disasters. Then you don't even factor in Enel, Aokiji, and Akainu.

[Devils Lawyer]

Why not? the vast majority of the HST is only slightly superhuman and they're dramatically more of us- we have far nastier weapons open to our "chunnin" level guys - the problem is people like tobi Yamamoto and Pein and white beard

You served in the middle east right? General Mattis, you honestly think a guy that ruthless and nuts is not gonna order a tactical nuke over Baghdad the moment Tobi demolishes a section of it?
The issue is at hand is not weaponry. It's locating and tagging them before they do something major. Blackbeard doesn't even have to move to cause world level damage.

Tobi wouldn't get hit by a nuke. Especially if he is dimension jumping or phasing. You have to admit he would wreck some s*** in our world with his abilities.


we should be able to slaughter 90% of them... it's the big guys we need to be afraid of[\quote]
Those are the only ones capable of facing the world in a war.


[Quote]in a linear pattern? not all of them and they do this on a three dimensional plane we know very little about...[\quote]

What I meant is most objects we are capable tracking follow a pattern with very little deviation from their routine.

[Quote]I agree with OP they have the worse fire power but the worse coordination[\quote]
Yep but if they keep getting speed upgrades they won't need unity. Luffy just got through moving so fast he created flames in his tracks. That's fast I wouldn't be surprised if they started hitting saiyan saga levels of speed soon.





[Quote]sure but our enemies also have some rather crippling flaws that can be exploited too and there's more of us[\quote]

I wouldn' say that the high end fighters face down armies of superhumabs and slaughters them. Only our weaponry is a threat even then you need to catch them off guard.




[[Quote]I think that will work for the first few attacks.. then people stop being afraid and start being angry
I wouldn't say that enel would gave them thinking god is punishing us on the religious side. People are idiots for the most part. The number of people capable of keeping the world alive alive is low.

[JLI2infinity]

Chakra is life energy. It is multiversal in fiction. So yes we do have chakra. Also the sharigan was capable of seeing deidara's bomb on a microscopic level. So why can't he see cyanide. Our bunkers will only be protected to a certain degree. But extremely doubtful they are stopping an individual who can walk through any material..

I agree Blackbeard would die fairly easy. But not before he creates the world greatest disasters. Then you don't even factor in Enel, Aokiji, and Akainu.

If you give us chakra that means we get reiatsu and Devil Fruit too. Are you sure you want to bring the HST's powers to our universes side because we'd definitely figure out how to control them fairly quickly. Also, Deidara's bombs were emitting chakra because they were controlled by Deidara's chakra, not even the Byakugan is capable of seeing microscoping objects. So no the sharingan cannot see cyanide (which is molecular not cellular btw), that's like saying Sasuke can see the air that he breathes or the water that he drinks on a micrometer scale.



HOWEVER AFTER READING THE LAST CHAPTER OF BLEACH THIS THREAD SHOULD NOW BE LOCKED, KUBO JUST SINGLE HANDEDLY MADE YAMAMOTO THE STRONGEST CHARACTER IN THE HST AND CAPABLE OF DESTROYING ANY PLANET HE INHABITS. YAMAMOTO...GG /THREAD

It sucks because now after all our good debating the HST wins without us even putting up a fight.

[Ultimate combatant]

Yamamoto's Bankai For the Win!!! :D

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Yamamoto's Bankai For the Win!!! :D

hyperbole is not valid evidence on this forum

also..carbon rod dropped from space

[Ultimate combatant]

hyperbole is not valid evidence on this forum

also..carbon rod dropped from space

It's not really a hyperbole. He didn't say just that it is as hot as sun. He said what temperature of his Bankai is!! He has given us numbers and units we can operate with. On top of that, he has given us even more info by comparing it to sun!!! :D

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

It's not really a hyperbole. He didn't say just that it is as hot as sun. He said what temperature of his Bankai is!! He has given us numbers and units we can operate with. On top of that, he has given us even more info by comparing it to sun!!! :D

and heat on that level would kill everything in the area and no character in bleach has the feats to survive that level of heat

basically..it's still hyperbole

[JLI2infinity]

hyperbole is not valid evidence on this forum

also..carbon rod dropped from space

IWD it's not hyperbole, Ultimate Combatant is right. Yamamoto now officially solos. We wouldn't have the time to take any countermeasures. Yamamoto activates his bankai and our atmosphere gets destroyed, the planet dies within a few weeks. I didn't expect Kishi to make his bankai utterly ridiculous. As for the rest of the Bleach characters Yamamoto tells them to all go back to Seretei.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

IWD it's not hyperbole, Ultimate Combatant is right. Yamamoto now officially solos. We wouldn't have the time to take any countermeasures. Yamamoto activates his bankai and our atmosphere gets destroyed, the planet dies within a few weeks. I didn't expect Kishi to make his bankai utterly ridiculous. As for the rest of the Bleach characters Yamamoto tells them to all go back to Seretei.

the mere fact that this isn't happening in the seiretei demolishes it as valid

and it will not be used as such here until he slags the surface of spirit world

we're talking damages near what Roshi should be able to do..basically and he hasn't shown it yet

[JLI2infinity]

the mere fact that this isn't happening in the seiretei demolishes it as valid

and it will not be used as such here until he slags the surface of spirit world

we're talking damages near what Roshi should be able to do..basically and he hasn't shown it yet

We have no proof that Sereitei's atmosphere is the same as Earth's. It is a well known fact that having the sun's temperature anywhere on the Earth's surface would destroy our atmosphere. Sereitei is also surrounded by a giant barrier that took a cannonball made up of hardened reiatsu to penetrate. Moreover, Unohana just said she hopes Yama finishes the fight before his power destroys everything. Man, you sure do hate that Roshi feat but this isn't the same thing. Moreover, Yamamoto isn't the type to exaggerate when he says something like 15 million degrees. Maybe Kubo will make it a joke meant to psych out the opponent like Gin saying his sword expands 500 times the speed of sound but that would be OoC seeing as Yama has never exaggerated any of his capabilities before.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

We have no proof that Sereitei's atmosphere is the same as Earth's.

you're right it's an environment composed of very fragile particles that a mere quincy can easily break down to their sub atomic structure and use to power themselves

Yama cutting loose in an even frailer environment makes little sense if he burns that hot

[JLI2infinity]

you're right it's an environment composed of very fragile particles that a mere quincy can easily break down to their sub atomic structure and use to power themselves

Yama cutting loose in an even frailer environment makes little sense if he burns that hot

Umm...did you just ignore the part of my post where I told you Seretei is surrounded by a very strong barrier? Also, you're just slinging around adjectives to support your side of the argument. Why do the particles have to be "fragile." The basic ability of a quincy is to manipulate reishi and use them in battle, every creature in Soul Society does this to some degree Quincies are just better suited to do it, and at high levels they have to forcibly break the bonds of solid objects. I also don't know how you managed to determine the magnitude at which reishi is broken down, sounds like you just pulled the sub-atomic scale out your a$$. Your example would be the same as if I said this...

"Earth's atmosphere is strong? Haha yeah right? It's an environment where mere humans can easily take in 'fragile' oxygen molecules and use them to help power themselves. There's no way it can take things like rockets being sent off into space."

What you said doesn't provide any information about the atmosphere of Seretei just like what I said doesn't give you any detail as to the mechanics behind Earth's atmosphere and why it can withstand intense heat from rocket launches. My example also doesn't explain why oxygen molecules are "fragile." Just because something can be manipulated or used to an individual's benefit doesn't make it weak.

EDIT: And how can you compare the strength of a reiatsu particle with the molecules that comprise living matter. It seems to me the only people who would be qualified to do that are the inhabitants of the Bleachverse and considering their world enables them to send people flying through buildings with a single punch and age so slowly that males and females centuries old can still look like little boys and girls I'm inclined to think their molecules and natural systems are a lot more efficient than ours.

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

While just recently shown many key things should be noted from Yamamatos bankai. However it should be noted%

[JLI2infinity]

While just recently shown many key things should be noted from Yamamatos bankai. However it should be noted that we havenot yet seen his Fire Armor in action yet. One of the consistent abilites of strong bankais is the ability to effect the weather. I would say within 5 minuets his reistu started to drain all of the water in soul society. This is confirmed when Hyourinmaru is stated to not having the ability to function.

Whether not his 1.5 million degrees should be taken seriously is to debate. I donot think he is actually 1.5 million degrees, cause if he was the entirety of soul society would be liquified by now unless like JLI2infinity implied that soul society is atomically tougher than our universe.

However their are bits of evidence that we can analyze from the manga. First of all is the statement " it simply blows away anything it touches". Furthermore when a sword reaches the vicinity of yamamoto it does not dissolve or liquify like it was melted it simply disappears. For flames to be that hot, his 15 million degrees may not be complete hyperbole.

Another hint to whether he is overstating his heat is the no water situation. Water turns to gas at 100 degrees C. Considering their is no water in the area you could assume that it is at-least 100 degrees C considering how quickly the Soul Society lost water.
However, if water evaporated then where are the clouds? Or steam, or fog? For water to completely disappear from the atmosphere it would have to be insanely hot. This is another indicator of how hot Yamamoto really is. Considering his sword destroying feat with mind you an invisible heat barrier bullets arenot touching the guy, and his affect on the environment could possibly actually kill people almost instantly depending on how hot he truly is. In the end, it is possible that Yamamoto casually wrecks cities by walking around in bankai. 1.5 million degrees hot as sun flames is some really tough ;);););).

Maybe it was a translation error but I read 15 million degrees which makes sense since that is the estimated temperature of the Sun's core in Celsius which would be the scale Japan goes by. I still find it believable that he's that temperature if he's containing the flames. You're right that Seretei would be a heaping pile of liquid if he let that heat go but he's keeping it around himself as a kind of aura and focusing it to specific points. And even with all that Unohana is still worried that Sereitei's going to be destroyed. I also think another good piece of evidence that Seretei is stronger than the living world is the fact that Yamamoto was unwilling to use his bankai on Aizen, but decided to use it there. A lot of fans wondered why if Yama was willing to sacrifice a bunch of captains in an inferno he didn't just use his bankai, and my theory was that it was probably so powerful he couldn't release it in the living world without huge consequences.

[BMC1994]

Revoking my previous decision if yamamotos bankai actually is the temperature of the sun he casually solos by walking around wrecking ecosystems and disabling most if not at technology due to overheating/melting it.

[Cult of Personality]

I'm fairly sure shikai would suffice in that regard, so this is just splitting hairs, but considering that's not happening to Soul Society, it's probable that the heat of Remnant Sun Prison Garb is entirely self-contained, and as he hasn't shown to be able to project it yet, it won't suffice to do as specified.

[JLI2infinity]

I'm fairly sure shikai would suffice in that regard, so this is just splitting hairs, but considering that's not happening to Soul Society, it's probable that the heat of Remnant Sun Prison Garb is entirely self-contained, and as he hasn't shown to be able to project it yet, it won't suffice to do as specified.

He's able to focus the flames to a about a .5 inch wide, 48 inch long surface, I think projecting the flames isn't that big a deal for him. I pretty sure the Quincy Boss even thought the he should be projecting the flames because he was wondering what happened to Yama's bankai since last time because no flames were present when he cut. Also, like I said before you're probably right that he's choosing to contain the flames because Unohana stated that she thinks he should finish the fight quickly because his power is enough to destroy Seretei.

[Roronoa Zoro]

Well after reading the latest chapter of Bleach. We get owned by Yamamoto going Bankai. All he has to do is use Zanki No Tachi West and he reaches 15,000,000 degrees which we would die and then he could use ''South'' and call in the dead to murder us. Also just the edge of his sword can blow a city. Yep Bleachverse alone solos us.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Meh. If Yamamoto could extend his sun heat to areas further than the cloak then there would be no Bleach-he could've easily gone to Hueco Mundo and wherever the Quincy are from, released the heat and killed everything. So no-Yamamoto cannot create an artificial sun. The whole purpose of the mantle was to stop things from attacking him anyway.

On another note, every time a thread involving the entire Narutoverse is brought up you have to take Edo Tensei into account. With a year's prep they could have a huge army of undying ninja with unlimited chakra-what do we have to deal with that? Sorry if this was addressed earlier, I didn't read every post.

[JLI2infinity]

Meh. If Yamamoto could extend his sun heat to areas further than the cloak then there would be no Bleach-he could've easily gone to Hueco Mundo and wherever the Quincy are from, released the heat and killed everything. So no-Yamamoto cannot create an artificial sun. The whole purpose of the mantle was to stop things from attacking him anyway.

On another note, every time a thread involving the entire Narutoverse is brought up you have to take Edo Tensei into account. With a year's prep they could have a huge army of undying ninja with unlimited chakra-what do we have to deal with that? Sorry if this was addressed earlier, I didn't read every post.

No, he couldn't have. First of all, he need Urahara to invent a way to get to Hueco Mundo so there's the first flaw in your scenario. Second of all if he killed all the Hollow at once it would create a tremendous imbalance of souls which is why Ishida said shinigami didn't like when Quincy interfered and slayed hollows because they don't purify the souls but eradicate them completely and throw off the balance. Third of all, Wonderweiss would've sealed the flames and then killed Yamamoto instead of just wounding him if Yamamoto used bankai instead of his shikai. Fourth, Yamamoto had no idea where the hell the Quincy lived or he obviously would've killed them. They ambushed Sasakibe out of nowhere and stole his bankai. Then invaded Seretei effortlessly and unannounced.

As for Edo Tensei, shinobi wouldn't use that technique because it's viewed as disgraceful. I'm assuming that we are keeping all the Narutoverse alive so Kabuto would have to forcibly take living sacrifices and go around battlefields gathering DNA from corpses of powerful ninja, the first thing shinobi wouldn't let him do, the second thing we wouldn't let him do.

And although I'm under the impression he can, it has nothing to do with him projecting the cloak, Earth's atmosphere can't take that kind of temperature present on it's surface, period. Whether it is being radiated over a large area or concentrated in a single point , the atmosphere would be destroyed. They even mentioned this in Fantastic 4 when they were testing the limits of Johnny Storms heat manipulation and his temperature starting going in intervals of thousands of degrees Celsius. Reed said he was approaching the temperature of the sun (more specifically the surface of the sun, not the core which is hundreds of times hotter like Yamamoto) and that life on Earth would be wiped out. I'm not using this as my source just pointing out a contemporary example where someone has mentioned this phenomenon.

So yeah if he's in a world where destroying it would have no major consequences Yamamoto can end it. We lose...BADLY.

[BMC1994]

Meh. If Yamamoto could extend his sun heat to areas further than the cloak then there would be no Bleach-he could've easily gone to Hueco Mundo and wherever the Quincy are from, released the heat and killed everything. So no-Yamamoto cannot create an artificial sun. The whole purpose of the mantle was to stop things from attacking him anyway.

On another note, every time a thread involving the entire Narutoverse is brought up you have to take Edo Tensei into account. With a year's prep they could have a huge army of undying ninja with unlimited chakra-what do we have to deal with that? Sorry if this was addressed earlier, I didn't read every post.

Edo Tensei , a couple of 100(being optimistic)? zombie ninjas

vs

South, 10 trillion (if we belief the hype) undead souls and the entire verse itself consisting mostly of pseudo immortals.

[Godaime Kazekage]

@JLI2: I'm arguing that Yamamoto's heat is contained within the cloak-anything outside of that small area is unaffected-it couldn't work any other way, otherwise all of Soul Society would be gone, there is no getting around this point unless you argue that Soul Society's atmosphere can withstand this heat which is total BS. (Yes, I know it's made of Reishi, but it also has water vapor, oxygen, etc. which would be instantly gone in that heat instead of slowly disappearing). It's either that the heat is completely contained in the cloak or Soul Society's atmosphere is suddenly different even though all other examples have shown it functioning in the same manner as our atmosphere. The principle of Occam's Razor leans toward the heat being contained.

There are plenty of ways to get to Hueco Mundo and I'm sure Yamamoto would've been able to go there. I don't really remember how Wonderweiss's power works, but I thought it needed some kind of activation and I don't think it would save anyone if Yamamoto just showed up in some random spot and melted everything. Anyway, you're right about the balance thing and not knowing where the Quincy are, so I guess that point is mute.

About Edo Tensei- If they can't use Edo Tensei for ethical reasons I guess we can't use nukes... They also have a year of prep, so the Edos would already be made before the fight, there would be no point to making an Edo real world human anyway.

@BMC: The Narutoverse would be fighting with the Bleachverse so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Also, Yamamoto summoned 30 undead on panel max. Where are you getting 10 trillion? Unless you're implying he gets those souls after he's burned everyone on Earth which-1. There aren't 10 trillion people currently alive. 2. He can't do that. 3. There would be no point if he could.

[JLI2infinity]

@JLI2: I'm arguing that Yamamoto's heat is contained within the cloak-anything outside of that small area is unaffected-it couldn't work any other way, otherwise all of Soul Society would be gone, there is no getting around this point unless you argue that Soul Society's atmosphere can withstand this heat which is total BS. (Yes, I know it's made of Reishi, but it also has water vapor, oxygen, etc. which would be instantly gone in that heat instead of slowly disappearing). It's either that the heat is completely contained in the cloak or Soul Society's atmosphere is suddenly different even though all other examples have shown it functioning in the same manner as our atmosphere. The principle of Occam's Razor leans toward the heat being contained.

There are plenty of ways to get to Hueco Mundo and I'm sure Yamamoto would've been able to go there. I don't really remember how Wonderweiss's power works, but I thought it needed some kind of activation and I don't think it would save anyone if Yamamoto just showed up in some random spot and melted everything. Anyway, you're right about the balance thing and not knowing where the Quincy are, so I guess that point is mute.

About Edo Tensei- If they can't use Edo Tensei for ethical reasons I guess we can't use nukes... They also have a year of prep, so the Edos would already be made before the fight, there would be no point to making an Edo real world human anyway.

@BMC: The Narutoverse would be fighting with the Bleachverse so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Also, Yamamoto summoned 30 undead on panel max. Where are you getting 10 trillion? Unless you're implying he gets those souls after he's burned everyone on Earth which-1. There aren't 10 trillion people currently alive. 2. He can't do that. 3. There would be no point if he could.

Godaime, I already explained this before. Yes he's containing the heat, but how can you say everywhere else is unaffected. Toshiro told the Quincy that he could no longer use the bankai he stole because Yamamoto's bankai had gotten rid of all the water in the atmosphere. The more likely explanation is that while he is containing the heat there is only so much he can do to control that immense power and it still radiates outward, which is why he said if he didn't end the fight soon Seretei would be destroyed. All three of the original captains were worried that Yamamoto's power would destroy the place.

No there aren't plenty of ways lol. There's only one, through a Garganta. And no one knew how to do it. He couldn't have gone there if he wanted to. Even he stated that when the Menos shined their light on Aizen, Gin, and Tosen there was nothing any of the shinigami could do. If he knew how to get there why would he ask Urahara, a man he exiled from Seretei, to figure out a way to get fighters in there. (Not being condescending or anything I'm just pointing out that it's called a "moot point" I used to make that mistake all the time, I just learned the correction like a year or two ago).

The thing is, we've demonstrated our willingness to use nukes before. No shinobi has ever willingly allowed Edo Tensei. All of them were pissed that they were brought back. And since this is the entire HST none of them are dead in the first place meaning Kabuto would have to be getting corpses and living sacrifices during the fights.

As for Yamamoto summoning people he kills. Why not? He probably only summoned 30 because he's only killed 30. As we know he hardly ever gets his hands dirty. But yeah I don't know what would be wrong with him summoning millions of undead to kill everyone off. Unless you know of some limits to the technique that we are unaware of.

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

For this war I am going to assume that all of the three anime/manga worlds are going to cooperate.

Furthermore, when it comes to Yammamato's bankai it has been shown to be able to cause all of the water to evaporate, and causes captains to feel dry. Again, considering a shinigami's natural durability over humans and further noting how Jua Back? or his clone stated that he would be dead if not for his quincy armor. This seems to show that if Yamamoto uses his bankai against us, I would imagine that everything or almost everything in the vicinity. Quincy users durability even wthout defense ( which would cause his death) is greater than anything a human hell I would argue that metal around Yammamato would melt. If anything,peole kilometers away would instantly die of heat stroke, air pressure would change causing horrible natural disasters. Again this is based off of the fact that his bankai can eradicate a weaker being as stated by Jua back with his presence.

Furthermore, Yammamoto is just 1 man, we have three universes with other people that are almost on his level. Whitbeard, Blackbeard, Madara, Aizen, Ichigo, Naruto and many, many more are what we are up against.

Another topic is the fact of Edo Tensei. While many ninja object, I imagine that is mainly because they are fighting against their home villages. Ninja have been shown to be pretty susceptible to self sacrifice, Itachi, Nagato, Narutoa are examples. I truly doubt, the Raikage would be against using Edo Tensei in this situation again most ninja fight against their own homes that is why they would be reluctant, considering how patriotic most ninja are I do in fact believe that they would commit suicide only to become an immortal Ninja. I mean I would, being immortal, nigh infinite chakra, regeneration? What's not to like. I believe that while Konoha might be against the idea, all the other kage would likely use such a resource. Furthermore, I could easily see Edo Tensei being reworded as allowing past comrades to aid their village once more, or even gifting eternal life to your dead friends/family.

Furthermore, any ninja who dies, I imagine it wouldnot be hard to convince his friends to revive him via edo tensei.

Lastly, Naruto has shadow clone hax while their range is unknown it may be possible to send a clone through a portal and have it fight while naruto stays safe.