Everyone stop and think, it's really only...

[Final Valley]

OBITO'S BODY!

So obviously with the hundreds of thousands of others have read chapter 599. Again... it just gave us more questions then answers.


Here's a few questions I have...

1. How could Obito in roughly a year and a half, even slightly compete with Minato? (Too weak)
2. Why would Obito grow his hair out, and then cut it back to how it was? (Pointless)
3. How did he deceive ITACHI (of all people) into believing that he was Madara Uchiha if he really wasn't? (Itachi's no idiot)
4. When Tobi claimed to be Madara Uchiha and showed himself to Kisame, why did Kisame follow him if he knew he wasn't Madara?
5. Kisame said that this world is a world of lies, so why would he FOLLOW a liar? (Because he's not lying)
6. Why did he have three different masks, they have to stand for something?
7. Obito gave Kakashi his sharingan, so why would he have a vendetta against him?
8. I believe Kakashi got his MS as soon as he got Obito's eye, but he just didn't know how to use it/didn't want too. So how could Tobi who claims to be Obito have MS? He would have had to have killed Kakashi or Rin! Why would he himself kill Rin when he loved her?
9. How could Obito have this kind of motive?
10. Kisame commited suicide so they couldn't find out Tobi's identity... why would someone like Kisame be so loyal for Obito?
11. How could Madara and Obito know eachother?


My opinion as of now... Tobi = Madara Uchiha, yes that's two Madara's. My guess would be that Madara fought the First Hokage near to his death. That's when he obtained the First Hokage's DNA and his Rinnegan. Then... having yin/yang release, Senju DNA, Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan, and Sharingan I think he got the power of "the creation of all things" like Rikudo. I believe he made Zetsu and dumped a lot of his power into him before dying. Zetsu which looked at Madara as a "God" followed his will. Zetsu probably found someone with enough will (Nagato, when he was a newborn) and implanted his Madara's Rinnegan in him. This was done in hopes of bringing Madara back to life at a later point in time. Zetsu scrapped up Obito's body as a backup plan, thus creating Tobi.

~ Kishimoto just wants everyone to think that it's actually Obito, personaility and all (not just his body) for the time being. Because people are going to get pissed off and be like that's impossible, but then we're going to find out that it's just his body and that it's really Madara Uchiha's vessel.



I HAVE A LINK TOO THREE AMAZING VIDEOS, THAT PROVE TOBI = MADARA... THE KID REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT! PRIVATE MESSAGE ME FOR THE LINKS!

- They are a bit lengthy (about 10 minutes each), and some of them repeat facts from the previous video. BUT YOU MUST WATCH ALL OF THEM TO FULLY UNDERSTAND!

[Wooster]

Obito's body doesn't have Obito's memories.

Tobi is Obito. You deniers are off the rails as much as the Tobi nutters where two years ago.

[Final Valley]

Obito's body doesn't have Obito's memories.

Tobi is Obito. You deniers are off the rails as much as the Tobi nutters where two years ago.


You automatically reject anything that's not "Tobi = Obito"... how about you watch them three videos? Then come and talk about how "off the rails" I truly am.

[Wooster]

I rejected it as Obito until only a few months ago. I state what is obviously true. Only Obito can have that flashback. Do you want to claim Guy is really Obito?

How about you explain the flashback first. Occam's razor, sir.

[Lia_Uchiha]

I believe Tobi was two people and back then during the nine tails attack up until he showed himself to kisame he was Madara and after that he probably became obito

[Final Valley]

I rejected it as Obito until only a few months ago. I state what is obviously true. Only Obito can have that flashback. Do you want to claim Guy is really Obito?

How about you explain the flashback first. Occam's razor, sir.



Assume you're right, go ahead. I'm going to PM you the video links anyways... it's up to you if you want to watch the truth. But only if you watch all three.

[megabbaut]

OBITO'S BODY!

So obviously with the hundreds of thousands of others have read chapter 599. Again... it just gave us more questions then answers.


Here's a few questions I have...

1. How could Obito in roughly a year and a half, even slightly compete with Minato? (Too weak)
2. Why would Obito grow his hair out, and then cut it back to how it was? (Pointless)
3. How did he deceive ITACHI (of all people) into believing that he was Madara Uchiha if he really wasn't? (Itachi's no idiot)
4. When Tobi claimed to be Madara Uchiha and showed himself to Kisame, why did Kisame follow him if he knew he wasn't Madara?
5. Kisame said that this world is a world of lies, so why would he FOLLOW a liar? (Because he's not lying)
6. Why did he have three different masks, they have to stand for something?
7. Obito gave Kakashi his sharingan, so why would he have a vendetta against him?
8. I believe Kakashi got his MS as soon as he got Obito's eye, but he just didn't know how to use it/didn't want too. So how could Tobi who claims to be Obito have MS? He would have had to have killed Kakashi or Rin! Why would he himself kill Rin when he loved her?
9. How could Obito have this kind of motive?
10. Kisame commited suicide so they couldn't find out Tobi's identity... why would someone like Kisame be so loyal for Obito?
11. How could Madara and Obito know eachother?


My opinion as of now... Tobi = Madara Uchiha, yes that's two Madara's. My guess would be that Madara fought the First Hokage near to his death. That's when he obtained the First Hokage's DNA and his Rinnegan. Then... having yin/yang release, Senju DNA, Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan, and Sharingan I think he got the power of "the creation of all things" like Rikudo. I believe he made Zetsu and dumped a lot of his power into him before dying. Zetsu which looked at Madara as a "God" followed his will. Zetsu probably found someone with enough will (Nagato, when he was a newborn) and implanted his Madara's Rinnegan in him. This was done in hopes of bringing Madara back to life at a later point in time. Zetsu scrapped up Obito's body as a backup plan, thus creating Tobi.

~ Kishimoto just wants everyone to think that it's actually Obito, personaility and all (not just his body) for the time being. Because people are going to get pissed off and be like that's impossible, but then we're going to find out that it's just his body and that it's really Madara Uchiha's vessel.



I HAVE A LINK TOO THREE AMAZING VIDEOS, THAT PROVE TOBI = MADARA... THE KID REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT! PRIVATE MESSAGE ME FOR THE LINKS!

- They are a bit lengthy (about 10 minutes each), and some of them repeat facts from the previous video. BUT YOU MUST WATCH ALL OF THEM TO FULLY UNDERSTAND!
1) Training. It's what gets you strong enough to compete with high tiers. Like Naruto and Sasuke who trained to beat Itachi/Pain.

2) To keep his identity hidden.

3) Itachi's no idiot, but he was even able to deceive Minato. And Minato thought he was Madara without Tobi even telling him.

4) IMO that was probably the real Madara since it was a long time ago when Hashirama was still alive.

5) Irony.

6) I guess Kishi just didn't want to be redundant.

7) Maybe for failing to protect Rin?

8) This at the moment is still a plot hole.

9) When Obito died they were in a war so it would make sense that Tobi would try to make a world without war.

10) See 4

11) Well Obito would definitely know Madara since he's an infamous shinobi. Madara would know Tobi since he helped resurrect him along with Kabuto.




Hope this clears things up.

[Bratcipheo]

Say it.

[JLI2infinity]

Mega pretty much gave all the answers I was going to give. As for number 8 I don't really see that as a plot hole. You don't have to actually kill someone to gain MS just experience the pain of loss. Sasuke lost to Itachi, Itachi just died from disease, yet Sasuke got MS. Kakashi didn't kill Rin, that Iwa jonin did but Kakashi still experienced the pain of losing his best friend, the reverse should be true for Obito.

[Wooster]

We have never seen Tobi with MS. He may not have it.

Why does Kakashi has MS? Kishi is a hack.

[Hidden Ninja45]

Mega pretty much gave all the answers I was going to give. As for number 8 I don't really see that as a plot hole. You don't have to actually kill someone to gain MS just experience the pain of loss. Sasuke lost to Itachi, Itachi just died from disease, yet Sasuke got MS. Kakashi didn't kill Rin, that Iwa jonin did but Kakashi still experienced the pain of losing his best friend, the reverse should be true for Obito.
Actually, we don't know how Rin died. It's pretty much confirmed that Rin is dead, but we don't know how she died. This could actually be pretty important in the coming chapters.



We have never seen Tobi with MS. He may not have it.

Why does Kakashi has MS? Kishi is a hack.
Chapter 598, Page 8.

Tobi clearly has MS.

[PrinceofPeace]

I LOVED your 8th point

I agree and I am still not convinced that he was Obito. Honestly I knew it was "obito" in some way (body) but I am REALLY HOPING someone else is involved and pulling the strings (spritit/mind= Madara)

I have faith in you Kishi DO NOT LET ME DOWN

[Vivi]

Something IS amiss.

EG:
How did he give Nagato the Rinnegan claiming its his?
How does Obito know about the Uzumaki?
No sense in lying to a Person who is pretty much dead.
etc.

IMO this is Quirrel/Voldemort gone Naruto.

[PrinceofPeace]

^ another great point..... either way MAJOR EXPLANITON IS NEEDED
the latest chapter did not say anything

[Satsuki]

We have never seen Tobi with MS. He may not have it.

Why does Kakashi has MS? Kishi is a hack.

Tobi used MS in 598.

[LilHinataGirl]

I'm agreeing with Wooster, Vivi, n mega..

[Naruto321]

Could it be possible that he was able to have MS at the same time Tobi got his?

[Uchiha Sora]

Chapter 600 better be some 30 page special :lol:

Could it be possible that he was able to have MS at the same time Tobi got his?


Well the only way Obito could've survived the rock is his MS. So I don't think that's it. Either way the sharingan is Kakashis now, I'd say he unlocked it himself

[LilHinataGirl]

@Uchiha
AGREEE!!!!!! :lol:

[Nameless Shinobi]

the only explanation is that obito saved by black zetsu (the land it self) and then replace his smashed body with some white zetsu parts
madara then use him as his puppet since obito is an emo uchiha can be twisted his mind easily just like sasuke and itachi back then b:)

[Final Valley]

I LOVED your 8th point

I agree and I am still not convinced that he was Obito. Honestly I knew it was "obito" in some way (body) but I am REALLY HOPING someone else is involved and pulling the strings (spritit/mind= Madara)

I have faith in you Kishi DO NOT LET ME DOWN



Thank you! I appreciate your open mind! It's good to not just assume that Tobi = Obito. Why would they do it all the way at the end of the chapter? Because they want everyone to believe that it's actually him...

[mimihigurashi]

OBITO'S BODY!

So obviously with the hundreds of thousands of others have read chapter 599. Again... it just gave us more questions then answers.


Here's a few questions I have...

1. How could Obito in roughly a year and a half, even slightly compete with Minato? (Too weak)
2. Why would Obito grow his hair out, and then cut it back to how it was? (Pointless)
3. How did he deceive ITACHI (of all people) into believing that he was Madara Uchiha if he really wasn't? (Itachi's no idiot)
4. When Tobi claimed to be Madara Uchiha and showed himself to Kisame, why did Kisame follow him if he knew he wasn't Madara?
5. Kisame said that this world is a world of lies, so why would he FOLLOW a liar? (Because he's not lying)
6. Why did he have three different masks, they have to stand for something?
7. Obito gave Kakashi his sharingan, so why would he have a vendetta against him?
8. I believe Kakashi got his MS as soon as he got Obito's eye, but he just didn't know how to use it/didn't want too. So how could Tobi who claims to be Obito have MS? He would have had to have killed Kakashi or Rin! Why would he himself kill Rin when he loved her?
9. How could Obito have this kind of motive?
10. Kisame commited suicide so they couldn't find out Tobi's identity... why would someone like Kisame be so loyal for Obito?
11. How could Madara and Obito know eachother?


My opinion as of now... Tobi = Madara Uchiha, yes that's two Madara's. My guess would be that Madara fought the First Hokage near to his death. That's when he obtained the First Hokage's DNA and his Rinnegan. Then... having yin/yang release, Senju DNA, Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan, and Sharingan I think he got the power of "the creation of all things" like Rikudo. I believe he made Zetsu and dumped a lot of his power into him before dying. Zetsu which looked at Madara as a "God" followed his will. Zetsu probably found someone with enough will (Nagato, when he was a newborn) and implanted his Madara's Rinnegan in him. This was done in hopes of bringing Madara back to life at a later point in time. Zetsu scrapped up Obito's body as a backup plan, thus creating Tobi.

~ Kishimoto just wants everyone to think that it's actually Obito, personaility and all (not just his body) for the time being. Because people are going to get pissed off and be like that's impossible, but then we're going to find out that it's just his body and that it's really Madara Uchiha's vessel.



I HAVE A LINK TOO THREE AMAZING VIDEOS, THAT PROVE TOBI = MADARA... THE KID REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT! PRIVATE MESSAGE ME FOR THE LINKS!

- They are a bit lengthy (about 10 minutes each), and some of them repeat facts from the previous video. BUT YOU MUST WATCH ALL OF THEM TO FULLY UNDERSTAND!


I agree, people jump to conclusions way too fast, knowing Kishimoto it's never as simple as mask comes off = the person's identity is revealed. We should wait for the next chapters to see what's really going on.
I wanted to PM you to ask for the video links but apparently you need 15 posts or more in order to pm, and I just stumbled upon the site while looking for answers, can you post the links publicly?

[kalmeast]

you may be right...that it's only obito's body...

Tobi accused kakashi in chp 598 that, kakashi is using a borrowed sharingan... if tobi is also using a borrowed sharingan, why'd he accuse kakashi then?

OR WAIT...

Orochimaru knew Tobi; could tobi be orochimaru's inspiration for desiring an Uchiha body? Look how much Oro had the chance to take just the sharingan, but he didn't want just that but a true uchiha body...is it cuz he knows Tobi got it from Obito? And how much more powerful it made Tobi?