When Tobi's identity is revealed...

[Fuuin]

Regulars of this forum should find all people who made whichever the correct theory happens to be, and award them rep. For the sake of saving time researching the archives and archives of theories, summarize your final theory in a fairly brief post here. Then, when Tobi's identity is revealed, everyone should give appropriate rep to the people who supported that theory. I think if anything is worth repping, this particular matter of Tobi's identity is most valid.

Here's mine. (PLEASE LETS NOT DISPUTE EACH OTHERS THEORIES)

If this becomes a worth-while thread, maybe a moderator can sticky it so it doesn't go to waste?

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IMO...

Tobi will be Elder Son of SotSP, sorry to those who hate that idea. I won't go into an essay of details about how since its just a few days away, been a lot of theories about it already (its the dominant theory on several other forums), and there's one I posted in the "who's tobi thread" ages ago.

In all honesty? Kishimoto laid out so many hints IMO. Biggest hint to Tobi being the Elder Son? In a word? Well, a name...

Uzumaki Naruto.

Why?

Curse of Hatred = Dominant villainous philosophy of this entire manga.

Will of Fire = Dominant heroic philosophy of this entire manga.

We know who the latest inheritor of the Will of Fire is.

Who must he face?

Originator of the Curse of Hatred.

Tobi being anyone else is (mythologically-thematically-philosophically-psychologically-spiritually/religiously in the context of this manga's lore-chronologically-magically and every other variant of "lly") impossible to me, I just don't see it. As one with B.A. in Literature, 28 years old, common sci-fi/fantasy geek, and avid reader of Joseph Campbell, Deepak Chopra, Jung and Frued, and many Eastern religious writings, and having followed this manga for ten years since I was 18, I truly believe this to be correct. That's not bragging or boasting, its just why I'm sticking with it until the Wednesday finish line.

Why would an author retreat to actions and revelations of a lesser quality? We know he isn't Uchiha Madara, and all these other theories concern people Madara easily trumps in motive, legacy, power, and the opportunity/means to have posed as Tobi, IMO.

Except one individual: The Elder Son.

So, what do you guys believe? And get your rep when the time comes.

[Ultimate combatant]

I had many theories about who Tobi is or could be. But since the time is coming, I decided for one. I say that Tobi is Kagami Uchiha.

Obviously he has some part of his body as a Zetsu but generally, I think it is Kagami.

First of all, his hair fits perfectly.
Second of all, this make his age not an issue.
He could easily have Madara as his father, grandfather or some other ancestor.
He could easily be related to Obito.
He was together with Hiruzen and Danzo and the other elders. The only one that is not among the elders is him. This could mean he disappeared, that is why he wears his mask. So people wouldn't recognize him.
If he was Kagami, he could've learned about Time Space Jutsu from Tobirama.
Also, that would explain how he was able to fight Minato without instantly losing.

A couple of other details support this theory, too. But I won't list them now.

Anyway, Obito died and was crushed, Izuna lost his eyes and supposedly died,... Kagami is probably the only one that doesn't have huge reason why Tobi couldn't be him!!! :D

[Bratcipheo]

They should get a badge that says Tobi beneath the name, showing they were the ones who got it right. The member of the month thing is an interesting thing, but it is based on popularity. What about giving badges to people who have theories right? There are a lot of people who got stuff right here, but it got forgotten by most people. A shame, really.

[slyfoxx]

my thoeries include:
Tobi=obito's daddy(kagami)
tobi= hybrid senju/uchiha clone(zetsu2.0)
Tobi= future sasuke(yeah that was me)
Tobi=Maddies soul some how

I was an obito believer but i converted to Realism!

[MinatoXNaruto]

My theory was Tobi = Obito. I will post the link to it.

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6214242&posted=1#post6214242

[TastyRamen]

To be honest, I do think anyone should really be given rep for correctly guessing his/her identity, if you make enough attempts, then sooner or later someone is going to be correct.

[lolohwd]

The problem with awarding people for it is..................thousands of members have guessed. hell everyones probably guessed right at least once. everyone would have to be rewarded.

as to tobis identity. i think its izuna. Izuna would fit some descriptions better than obito. such as a reason to be evil and his knowledge of basically everything in the world

[Squall]

Izuna. I would go on to explain, but it is pretty self explanatory =)

[Rikudo Sennin]

Tobi = Naruto
Case closed.

[Naruto321]

You know who we haven't seen but has been tol about?

Sasuke Sarutobi

[Rasen_Chidori]

My theory is that Tobi is Kagami Uchiha. There is a reasonable amount of evidence.

-His hair looks exactly the same as Kagami's.

-During the Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, Kagami is the only member of the team that Tobirama lead during the war (Besides Danzo) who wasn't beside the Third.

-He would be around the right age considering he'd be about the same age as the Third and therefore would have been around during Madara's time. (This would put Tobi somewhere between 70 and 75 years old.)

-Obviously, as an Uchiha, Kagami would have reason to hate the Senju.

-Onoki noted that Tobi and Danzo had similar ideals when it came to 'uniting' the world, Kagami was on Danzo's squad so having spent alot of time together, they may have developed similar perspectives.

I think that Kagami is Obito's father (And Izuna's son), it could explain how he seems to know so much about Kakashi's past (He knew that Kakashi has lived a life of regret, etc.) since Obito was on Kakashi's squad, he probably would have known Kakashi as a child. It would also explain how he knew so much about Madara and Izuna's past.

My theory is that Kagami secretly agreed with Madara when he was a child, during the time when the Senju and the Uchiha made their truce, however since his father had died and the rest of the clan where against Madara, Madara made a plan with Kagami to meet up with him again years down the track in order to get their revenge on the Senju and Uchiha clans.

Kagami lived a relatively normal life, until meeting up with Madara again, Madara had awakened the Rinnegan by this stage and had obtained Hashirama's DNA during their fight, he then devised a plan to create an organization capable of capturing the tailed beasts and completing the infinite tsukuyomi, however, they needed someone who could read the Uchiha tablet in the future with the Rinnegan and Madara needed to be alive when the time was right, so Madara decided he would die and Kagami would implant his eyes into a young Uzumaki clan member as the Uzumaki have strong chakra that can handle using the Rinnegan and when the time was right, that person would revive Madara using his Rinnegan abilities.

Later, Kagami would have a son Obito, however Kagami was disappointed that his son didn't share his ideals and thought he was a crybaby and wasn't overly interested in his training. During the third ninja war, Kagami fought, still biding his time, knowing that Nagato and Yahiko had began working towards his goals in forming Akatsuki. After he heard that his son had been killed in battle, Kagami felt the pain of the loss and went to the place where had died and after digging him out, transplanted his son's eye into himself. He was immediately able to activate the mangekyo sharingan due to the pain of the loss of his son.

Kagami then decided that the time was right to move forward with his plan, taking the name of his former senior Madara, he mastered the use of his son's MS abilities and due to the Senju DNA he had implanted inside himself, found he was able to use the MS infinitely without losing his sight. He then manufactured the Kyuubi attack on Konoha but was thwarted by Minato, years later he returned to Konoha to assist Itachi in slaughtering the Uchiha clan, the Akatsuki was now his with him manipulating Nagato from the shadows.

[Fuuin]

The problem with awarding people for it is..................thousands of members have guessed. hell everyones probably guessed right at least once. everyone would have to be rewarded.

as to tobis identity. i think its izuna. Izuna would fit some descriptions better than obito. such as a reason to be evil and his knowledge of basically everything in the world


True, but that's why I figured stickying a thread so that the people who post here in it can kinda post to make sure everyone knows and can rep 'em Wednesday.

[Rikudo Sage]

My theory about Tobi..

Tobi = Uzumaki clan leader.. dont know his name though

This will explain why....

1.Tobi can suppress any tailed beast using chains
2.Tobi knows that the seal will weaken when a Jinchuriki gave birth
3.Tobi's vast of knowledge about sealing jutsus
4.Tobi's age and wrinkles

We do know that Uzumaki's were massacred but what if there someone survived and now is taking revenge..

Naruto vs The Uzumaki clan leader is so epic and dramatic..

[acerbitas]

My theory about Tobi..

Tobi = Uzumaki clan leader.. dont know his name though

This will explain why....

1.Tobi can suppress any tailed beast using chains
2.Tobi knows that the seal will weaken when a Jinchuriki gave birth
3.Tobi's vast of knowledge about sealing jutsus
4.Tobi's age and wrinkles

We do know that Uzumaki's were massacred but what if there someone survived and now is taking revenge..

Naruto vs The Uzumaki clan leader is so epic and dramatic..

Wasn't the Uzumaki clan leader shown in a flashback with Harashima and already very old with long white/silver hair?

[Vinchuriki]

Does anyone here besides me think it's maybe Madara?

[Vex]

Does anyone here besides me think it's maybe Madara?I thought he was Edo'd?

>my face when (http://i.imgur.com/gBRkv.jpg) Tobi is old man ramen shop owner

[Kioroshi.]

I had many theories about who Tobi is or could be. But since the time is coming, I decided for one. I say that Tobi is Kagami Uchiha.

Obviously he has some part of his body as a Zetsu but generally, I think it is Kagami.

First of all, his hair fits perfectly.
Second of all, this make his age not an issue.
He could easily have Madara as his father, grandfather or some other ancestor.
He could easily be related to Obito.
He was together with Hiruzen and Danzo and the other elders. The only one that is not among the elders is him. This could mean he disappeared, that is why he wears his mask. So people wouldn't recognize him.
If he was Kagami, he could've learned about Time Space Jutsu from Tobirama.
Also, that would explain how he was able to fight Minato without instantly losing.

A couple of other details support this theory, too. But I won't list them now.

Anyway, Obito died and was crushed, Izuna lost his eyes and supposedly died,... Kagami is probably the only one that doesn't have huge reason why Tobi couldn't be him!!! :D



and maybe he called himself tobi to honor his master.

[Vinchuriki]

Sorry, I'm not good with terms... edo? :x

[Vex]

How far are you? Do you read manga? Animoo?

Edo Tensei, the resurrection jutsu.

[Roronoa Zoro]

I had many theories about who Tobi is or could be. But since the time is coming, I decided for one. I say that Tobi is Kagami Uchiha.

Obviously he has some part of his body as a Zetsu but generally, I think it is Kagami.

First of all, his hair fits perfectly.
Second of all, this make his age not an issue.
He could easily have Madara as his father, grandfather or some other ancestor.
He could easily be related to Obito.
He was together with Hiruzen and Danzo and the other elders. The only one that is not among the elders is him. This could mean he disappeared, that is why he wears his mask. So people wouldn't recognize him.
If he was Kagami, he could've learned about Time Space Jutsu from Tobirama.
Also, that would explain how he was able to fight Minato without instantly losing.

A couple of other details support this theory, too. But I won't list them now.

Anyway, Obito died and was crushed, Izuna lost his eyes and supposedly died,... Kagami is probably the only one that doesn't have huge reason why Tobi couldn't be him!!! :D

I agree with this theory and I have thought about it for quite some time now. Tobi is ether Kagami Uchiha, some random person that we don't know, Obito, or the troll face.

Why I don't really think its Obito
1. Theres no way that Obito could be that age and fight Minato unless he somehow went in time and became an older Obito.

I think it is Kagami since he could of learned the space time jutsu from his teacher the 2nd hokage which just about every sensei especially in Naruto teach their apprentice everything including their most powerful jutsus to pass down and the age difference fits perfectly when he fought Minato. Also its very possible that he took Obito's eyes and it can be that it didn't evolve yet just like Sasuke when he first got Itachi's eyes.

[Vinchuriki]

I've seen recent episodes and random older ones, just got back into Naruto recently so I probably missed that part, sorry guys!

[Rikudo Sage]

Wasn't the Uzumaki clan leader shown in a flashback with Harashima and already very old with long white/silver hair?
True.. but looks can be decieving...

[l3thall3g3nd]

Proberly the only one here that thinks this but I think Tobi is the SO6P younger son if I'm right I chase up my thread I made about it.

[ObitoUchiha]

They should get a badge that says Tobi beneath the name, showing they were the ones who got it right. The member of the month thing is an interesting thing, but it is based on popularity. What about giving badges to people who have theories right? There are a lot of people who got stuff right here, but it got forgotten by most people. A shame, really.

Lol, if it is Obito, I should get MotM!
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[Bratcipheo]

Lol, if it is Obito, I should get MotM!
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How old is your theory again?

[Maruko]

When Tobi's ID is revealed, I will see dozens of theories about how everyone was right...and those who were wrong will just say crap such as: 'Well, you know, I wasn't 100% sure, it was just a joke...mehhddfd''

[ObitoUchiha]

Actually I genuinely had the theory as mine since I joined.

At one brief part I thought Obito may have been zetsu....

Infact, my alt theory is Kagami is still Tobi through some jutsu, and he brought his son Obito to life as zetsu. would explain the parasitic split personality character that is zetsu.

Zetsu seems half dead, and half alive at the same time.

Schrodingers cat, or another reference to a book about a character (not main) in the newest Odd Thomas book (PM me right answer for a rep!)

Would not be surprised if he is, seeing as I am the only Zetsu is Obito person makes me smile.

However, I still like my current theory.

[kalmeast]

Of all my Tobi theories, I'll go with Izuna Uchiha... It's most justified that the two brothers of old should be the villains... This will explain why Izuna can tell Konan that the rinnegan belongs to him to begin with. Why? because it was his eyes that Madara implanted to become the rinnegan.

Secondly, He izuna is the only person madara would trust to share his moon's eye with.

3rd, Izuna is the only one madara knows enough to say to Muu (kabuto), "THIS IS SOMETHING HE'd DO". This is regarding tobi not following the plan.

4th, Izuna when revived, did not have eyes, thus it made sense he'd covet a sharingan, and behold, he stumbled over obito.

Imo... Madara used his rinnegan to Rinne Tensei Izuna his brother. Told him the plan and asked him to revive him later. However, madara died shortly after he revived Izuna.

[ObitoUchiha]

I just commented on an actually legitimate one about Tobi being Rin, and It is now my third theory.

[Bratcipheo]

Actually I genuinely had the theory as mine since I joined.

At one brief part I thought Obito may have been zetsu....

Infact, my alt theory is Kagami is still Tobi through some jutsu, and he brought his son Obito to life as zetsu. would explain the parasitic split personality character that is zetsu.

Zetsu seems half dead, and half alive at the same time.

Schrodingers cat, or another reference to a book about a character (not main) in the newest Odd Thomas book (PM me right answer for a rep!)

Would not be surprised if he is, seeing as I am the only Zetsu is Obito person makes me smile.

However, I still like my current theory.

Then let me see that one. You gotta have proof.Link for obito theory from back when you joined.

On another note, you can't have several theories. Well, you can, technically, but you shouldn't have. You should have 1 theory you go for, its also more fair, but 1 you thrust as being the most likely. Your other theories are just random shots in the dark, you hope to get something right by chance and they show how mentally unstable you are in your theories.
In a way, it downgrades the plausibility of your theory. You should weigh them against each other in your head, and then kill off the ones that make less sense.

Funny enough, I've only had one theory ever. Was I even close to start another theory?Even once? No, nothing i heard from anyone made any sense at all. Ever. Random shots in the dark. Speculation and wishthinking.

So when i hear people say they have or had several theories, my thrust in them diminishes fast.

[EnigmaNinja]

i never doubted myself since october of last year.
http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106187
thats my thread that i created, many views actually i think the most for obito=tobi threads.

[EnigmaNinja]

do i get rep?? lol

[Kioroshi.]

^ No cuz we are all mad.kishi needs some explaining to do.


Kagami was the most logic choice and i would be okay with it,but obito...really???

[PrinceofPeace]

I had many theories about who Tobi is or could be. But since the time is coming, I decided for one. I say that Tobi is Kagami Uchiha.

Obviously he has some part of his body as a Zetsu but generally, I think it is Kagami.

First of all, his hair fits perfectly.
Second of all, this make his age not an issue.
He could easily have Madara as his father, grandfather or some other ancestor.
He could easily be related to Obito.
He was together with Hiruzen and Danzo and the other elders. The only one that is not among the elders is him. This could mean he disappeared, that is why he wears his mask. So people wouldn't recognize him.
If he was Kagami, he could've learned about Time Space Jutsu from Tobirama.
Also, that would explain how he was able to fight Minato without instantly losing.

A couple of other details support this theory, too. But I won't list them now.

Anyway, Obito died and was crushed, Izuna lost his eyes and supposedly died,... Kagami is probably the only one that doesn't have huge reason why Tobi couldn't be him!!! :D

I LOVE this theory and I hope it is right. He has the biggest background to work with


But if I had it my way I would want him to be an evil senju cuz all of the senjus are good

[TheIndigoFang]

When Tobi's identity was revealed... I lol'd.

[kalmeast]

ok...so someone just showed that the name TOBI and the name IZUNA are linked... hmmm..