MAYBE I know how Tobi got hit with the Rasengan! (Not with kunai)

[Maruko]

I think that the answer lies within Kakashi, not Tobi!

I believe that Kakashi now knows how to return thing from his dimension, or at least warp things for a certain period of time!

They made Tobi believe that Naruto had stopped the Rasengan, but in fact, Kakashi was only holding it in his dimension, until Tobi materialized again, and when he did it, Kakashi just returned the Rasengan and damaged Tobi.
I'd aim for the head, but I guess he's not that skilled in returning things back yet.

I don't know how kunai hit him, can you post your theories about the kunai attack?

[Topik]

That would explain Tobi saying "Kakashi... you threw that Kunai... with Kamui?".
So he just probably materialized it somewhere near Tobi (maybe bringing back things is easier near Tobi who is very skilled in it...or he did it accidentialy).

[Maruko]

^YES!

Maybe he thew it, warped it, and then returned it back near Tobi, warped it again to avoid hitting Naruto.

[Topik]

But still, only injures appeared back, not kunai or rasengan.

[Maruko]

Hm...maybe Kakashi can warp the damage itself, without warping the rasengan, or kunai?

[Naruto321]

I thought he only warped the Kunai because it was going to hit Naruto. And the moment that was about to happen Naruto try to hit tobi but he phased through the attack.

[Topik]

Or he can warp back only chakra (that kunai had lightning chakra, rasengan is just shape transformation of chakra).

[Topik]

I thought he only warped the Kunai because it was going to hit Naruto. And the moment that was about to happen Naruto try to hit tobi but he phased through the attack.

yea... but that line "Kakashi... you threw that Kunai... with Kamui?". Threw? We see that he only sucked it and Tobi says he threw it.

[Maruko]

Or he can warp back only chakra (that kunai had lightning chakra, rasengan is just shape transformation of chakra).

This seems good.
That's why there was an explosion on Tobi's arm, Rasengan's chakra just bursted.

[Naruto321]

Or he can warp back only chakra (that kunai had lightning chakra, rasengan is just shape transformation of chakra).

yea... but that line "Kakashi... you threw that Kunai... with Kamui?". Threw? We see that he only sucked it and Tobi says he threw it.

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This seems good.
That's why there was an explosion on Tobi's arm, Rasengan's chakra just bursted.

So for what u sent me, seems like it is explained well.

[Maruko]

Ikr?! I wish we could post those kinds of pics here, it would be easier.

[Naruto321]

But you can put the description

[Maruko]

Nah, I don't want to steal someone's theory. ;)

[Naruto321]

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You can put their username at the end of the thread of who your got it from. Its not stealing a thread unless you owe credit where credit is due.

[Fan of Minato]

About the "You threw that Kunai with Kamui" thing. Couldn't Tobi be talking about the Kunai hitting him in the alternate dimension? Like "You used Kamui on the Kunai to send it into my dimension and hit me". I THINK that's what it was, but I'm not sure.

[Naruto321]

I think it is hitting him in the dimension where Kakshi sends it because that is where he sending his body when he is phasing.

[Topik]

About the "You threw that Kunai with Kamui" thing. Couldn't Tobi be talking about the Kunai hitting him in the alternate dimension? Like "You used Kamui on the Kunai to send it into my dimension and hit me". I THINK that's what it was, but I'm not sure.
I was thinking the same but still, Kunai wasn't even flying into his direction.

[kalmeast]

This is a good idea...
however, my only question is this; The rasengan attack was based on the kunai hypothesis, therefore whatever happened to the kunai is EXACTLY what happened with the Rasengan.

If Kakashi knew how to bring things he warped back, (and if that's what he did with the Rasengan), then that'd mean it's the same thing he did with the Kunai. But that's impossible because, if that's what he did to the kunai, he shouldn't have been surprised how Tobi got cut.

Conclusion: Kunai happened by coincident, kakashi formulated a hypothesis, then tried it on the rasengan. what u think?

[Naruto321]

Conclusion: Kunai happened by coincident, kakashi formulated a hypothesis, then tried it on the rasengan. what u think?

Thats seems to make sense.

[Rikudo Sage]

I was thinking the same but still, Kunai wasn't even flying into his direction.
Its because.. Kakashi's kamui has the mirrored direction of Tobi's S/T jutsu.. When Tobi kicked the Kunai towards Naruto, Kakashi kamui'd it at the same time Tobi dematerialized to avoid Naruto's Kurama punch but Tobi's mask was hit all of a sudden with the same Kunai that Kakashi used Kamui on.

In the real dimension if Tobi threw the Kunai in an upward motion and if Kakashi used kamui on it. The Kunai will be on the downward motion when it goes to the virtual dimension. That's what I think.

This is a good idea...
however, my only question is this; The rasengan attack was based on the kunai hypothesis, therefore whatever happened to the kunai is EXACTLY what happened with the Rasengan.

If Kakashi knew how to bring things he warped back, (and if that's what he did with the Rasengan), then that'd mean it's the same thing he did with the Kunai. But that's impossible because, if that's what he did to the kunai, he shouldn't have been surprised how Tobi got cut.

Conclusion: Kunai happened by coincident, kakashi formulated a hypothesis, then tried it on the rasengan. what u think?

Indeed! Otherwise Kakashi won't need to make a theory if He just brought the Kunai back after blowing it away with Kamui and look we did'nt see the Kunai anywhere did we?

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Kakashi did the rasengan test to see if his Kunai hypothesis was true and it was the same effect as in the Kunai warp. It's the same effect in both cases.

[Maruko]

Read one of the posts belove, maybe he can warp chakra itself.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

That would be too OP.

[Wooster]

Wow, you guys make this way too hard. Both rasengan and and Tobi went to the same place; thus, Tobi got hit. That's where the one jutsu comes in .We know very well Tobi can warp things to another dimesion, and now we know that how his intangibility jutsu works.

Same thing happened with the kunai. All Kakashi did was get rid of the kunai so it wouldn't hit Naruto. Kakashi was confused at first why Tobi had a scratch on his mask as well.
Of course, it wasn't heading towards Tobi, but Tobi said Kakashi "threw the kunai with kamui" Meaning one can suppose Kakashi changed it's direction with the kamui inadvertantly.

Tobi was jumping around a lot too, so maybe he accidently put his path into the kunai. And really, you can't rely on Kishi to make things actually make sense. :lol:

[kalmeast]

Read one of the posts belove, maybe he can warp chakra itself.
as long as it's physical, he should be able to warp chakra...Rasengan is chakra...

[paradigm1977]

Its because.. Kakashi's kamui has the mirrored direction of Tobi's S/T jutsu.. When Tobi kicked the Kunai towards Naruto, Kakashi kamui'd it at the same time Tobi dematerialized to avoid Naruto's Kurama punch but Tobi's mask was hit all of a sudden with the same Kunai that Kakashi used Kamui on.

In the real dimension if Tobi threw the Kunai in an upward motion and if Kakashi used kamui on it. The Kunai will be on the downward motion when it goes to the virtual dimension. That's what I think.


The only thing with this is if kamui hit Tobi's mask after he kicked it, and that reversed the direction in the pocket dimension... Than rasengan would have reversed direction as well and not continued forward and hit Tobi on the other shoulder. It would have reflected back twards naruto's direction, but in the pocket dimension.

[kalmeast]

^ you're right but check it out, the rasengan hit tobi at a reversed direction...

[paradigm1977]

^ you're right but check it out, the rasengan hit tobi at a reversed direction...

No, I don't think so. Page 13, middle left Tobi turns his head, rotating his shoulders, closer to the path of rasengan. Next panel, his head turns more (turning his torso more off panel).

Page 14, Tobi's right shoulder is now pulled in line with the path of rasengan on the other side.

Top down diagram.

N is naruto, O is rasengan, -T- is Tobi's body with each line a shoulder

Page 13 top right

N
O
-T-

Page 13 middle left, rasengan is gone Naruto about to impact Tobi


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TN This is the closest I can get Tobi's shoulder angle.
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Page 14

l
T
Ol the l and O should be on top of each other. But it is slightly on the
N back of the shoulder and arm anyway.

The "O" went straight down.

Tobi is hit in the right shoulder because he rotated to look at naruto. he was thinking he'd hit him in the back again, as he passed by. But he turned his right shoulder into its' path. And when Tobi materializes he brings back some of the blast that's inside his cloak when he phases into it. That's why the blast is brought back. But it does not blast in the direction Naruto was coming from, Which would make more sense with momentum and the direction being reversed on the other side.