Kakashi Demon's resignation

[Kakashi Demon]

Hi. Before I star, let me say that this reason I created this thread here is because it partially involves entire forum but even more often, this will be about Battlegrounds.

If you still remember, I joined this forum around 2 years ago. Back then, forum was in a really bad shape. Because of that I decided to temporarily leave the forum and return some day. I went to many other places. Some better, and some, you won't believe it, worse. But that is the way Internet is.
Finally, around 2 years later, I've found myself here once more as I was informed the forum has changed. And it really has. The forum has changed. Plenty of users who made this forum unbearable (and I am not talking only of mere trolling but much more sinister and clandestine actions) to many users including the ones who deserved it.
But mostly, and it saddens me to write it, the victims were the users who I think are good people and their only "crime" was not knowing how to defend themselves.
Such "crime" rarely goes unpunished. But is it really moral to exploit such weaknesses? To people who brought so much happiness upon us?
As I said, the forum has changed. There is less of that, what I named. And I am glad. Less members of this forum are people who bring sadness. And at the same time, more people who seem to be good are joining this forum.

I am grateful and I am happy about it. This was a very positive transformation.

However, As I am sure you've noticed, there were some hints here and there, title of this thread being the most obvious.
Yes, I resign from my duty. But please, don't see this as an act of selfishness or me losing hope for this forum.

I was glad to have the opportunity to share my experiences and happy moments with you.
Except for those who've been doing causing so much harm, together, we were colleagues, fellow debaters, people fighting for fighting for what we believed in and we were many other things.
But mostly, we were friends. We were together through both hardships and moments that made hardships worth it.

You probably wonder why I decided to do this. Some of you might know that in one thread I already said to one member that if he wishes me to go, I'll go. He replied with an answer which made it obvious that he wants me to leave.

One a quick note, I'd like to express my gratitude towards mods and admins who didn't close the thread just because someone opposed their way of thinking. It proved you can accept not everyone thinks alike but everyone's opinion should be considered very valuable.

So, I was asked to leave. But that is not the only reason I go. There are other places which need my attention. Also, I believe that this forum is on the right path.

Unfortunately, on this forum by plenty of members I was considered to be a troll just because I defended my opinions and stood by what I believe in.

I still intend to do so. Only that it'll be on some other forum.

But I am not abandoning you, I will always be there to protect you, help you and support you. Wherever I will be, your words, your voice, your wishes, your dreams shall reach me, when you will need me.

But I have faith in you. I know that you can take care of yourself and do the right thing.

Also, there are others I am entrusting with my role in my absence. They will help you, if you'll need them.

I decided to let this thread be a place, where everybody who ever encountered problem when you defended your opinion but because majority disagrees with you, you are called troll and/or other bad things are directed towards you.
Do not shame, gather the courage and show us that you stand by what you believe in, no matter what!!

Also, As I leave there are other skilled members and debaters, such as:

321ZZ3
DL
FN
GK
HH
HSR
I:D
J
JLI2I
MB
MS005
MXN
NG_o_P
NH
Noc
NtSoL
PoP
RM21
SK
SN
TIF
UC
UM
UXS
W


Soon I am leaving to other places that need my attention. But just because I won't be on this forum doesn't mean I have forgotten you. I remember you.

I AM WITH YOU!!

And one day, I do intend to come back as I already have once.

Hopefully, this forum will improve even more and more by then.

See ya all again!!

[megabbaut]

Good bye. You were a good debater while you lasted.

This place would be a lot more peaceful without so many troll accusations.

[Ultimate combatant]

Goodbye!!! :D

I admire your debating skills. It is too bad that you go.

Anyway, Hope you return soon!!! :D

[Uchiha Sora]

You said Madara roflstomps the OPverse, and didn't give much reason for it at all besides lolsusanoo which might I add is featless in durability. It's like large building level best. Well perfect was.

Taking on a verse is different that one on one fights. Hes not so above them that he could take them all on. You're fighting everyone in their world. Honestly Enel could just spam away his shizz and vaporize him. Kizaru would've light-blitzed him before Susanoo became an option. Or Law just splitting his body up, allowing someone else to roflstomp. Not that most high tiers couldn't already.

Some people in that thread, like Vivi, brought in logic and numbers and different kinds of proof, but the only way you countered it is with "No they are below Narutoverse" <_< from what I saw, You didn't provide any feats, or proof at all really. That's why people called you a troll. I don't know about any other threads though. because I honestly didn't know you existed before.

So summarize, you weren't called a troll because you stood for what you believed in, but because you of how you failed to prove what you were saying, but continued saying it. At least that's how I saw it.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Reading this thread made me sorry to see you go.
Seeing my name being mentioned amongst your skilled debaters list makes me happy.

Good luck looking for a better forum man! You seem like a cool dude.

[Larry01239]

Goodbye Mr. Troll. At least you kept your promise.

P.S. Next time you decide to write a long statement I suggest doing a grammar and spelling check before posting it. You might be able to convince people of your sincerity that way.



Good bye. You were a good debater while you lasted.

This place would be a lot more peaceful without so many troll accusations.
....Irony?

[Ultimate combatant]

Goodbye Mr. Troll. At least you kept your promise.

P.S. Next time you decide to write a long statement I suggest doing a grammar and spelling check before posting it. You might be able to convince people of your sincerity that way.




....Irony?

He did as he said. Why do you call him a troll?

How is that irony?!! :D

[Larry01239]

Why do you call him a troll?

Why do we call a horse a horse?


How is that irony?!! :D It is pretty easy to figure out.

[Ultimate combatant]

Why do we call a horse a horse?
It is pretty easy to figure out.

Because it is a horse. But this guy is not trolling. If he was a troll he wouldn't leave, so he could troll.

I don't get how it is irony!!! :D

[Cult of Personality]

Who is this guy...

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

hahah....
you seem to forget people quite often....

[Cult of Personality]

I remember people who matter. Which reminds me. Who are you again?

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

.........................b~(

[Frost ninja]

To be fair, I don't really remember him either although I'm on his list.
Which means he must not know me either b:P

[Uchiha Sora]

Well its already invalid considering I'm not on the list. :ugeek:

[megabbaut]

Well its already invalid considering I'm not on the list. :ugeek:
You ARE on the list. :lol: you're UXS and I'm MB

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

You know Kakashi Demon..I held back on responding to this thread because I had absolutely no idea..who the hell you were, but then I saw how incredibly dishonest your post was, how you white knighted and blamed quality posters while playing the victim and failing to own up to your own failures..

so then..right I dunno who you are, and you probably have no idea who I am..but I am The Immortal Watch Dog, you can call me IWD for short.. I am the guy who runs the tournaments here and am the multiverse mod - I'm also the guy who brought Viz Battlegrounds its Pax romana..by specifically doing the exact opposite of everything you champion..so you know where this is going

specifically in my yard..I don't tolerate white knights..you are not escaping this situation without my thoughts on the matter




But mostly, and it saddens me to write it, the victims were the users who I think are good people and their only "crime" was not knowing how to defend themselves.

Oh that is absolute bull crap.. it's a common complaint of every single poster who comes into this thread thinking he can spout whatever views he wants and be free from reprisals..Grow up this is a verses debate section..You stand your ground and you debate based on facts and feats not opinions and if you fail to do that..then you deserve to be knocked..down again and against and again until you learn


Yes, I resign from my duty. But please, don't see this as an act of selfishness or me losing hope for this forum.


it was an act of unmitigated selfishness, I read your posts you broke house rules regarding biased (it's a crime to be a fanboy) you engaged in fanwank and dishonesty..you failed to prove your point and argued from an opinion base

essentially had I still possessed the power to do so..you would have been temp banned for being an Uchihatard on the spot

you absolutely are not allowed to debate that way..yet you did and when you got called out on it..you ran..

you could have opted to learn how we do things..instead you bailed..



You probably wonder why I decided to do this..

I know why you're doing this, you want attention, you don't have a thick skin and you fail utterly at comprehending sarcasm (note when a person tells you "get out" on a verses debate board it usually means stop making asinine posts)

now you have a choice..you hosted this pity party..you can turn tail and run or you can man up and get back into the trenches..either way..here and now..I am making sure you take your lumps

One a quick note, I'd like to express my gratitude towards mods and admins who didn't close the thread just because someone opposed their way of thinking. It proved you can accept not everyone thinks alike but everyone's opinion should be considered very valuable.

What mods and staff? You mean the Mongooses? There is a system of rules I designed that are still valid..you broke those rules they should have banned you..for whatever reason they gave you a chance and you completely spat in their faces by posting this titty attack of a resignation thread


So, I was asked to leave. But that is not the only reason I go. There are other places which need my attention. Also, I believe that this forum is on the right path.

You were asked to leave likely in a sarcastic and aggressive manner after being told repeatedly to stop masturbating Madara Uchiha..You are at fault..you could consider this a learning experience of course.


Unfortunately, on this forum by plenty of members I was considered to be a troll just because I defended my opinions and stood by what I believe in.


This is a verses debate forum.. Opinions don't matter only evidence

it's not who you believe will win, it's what the facts say and nothing else

But I am not abandoning you, I will always be there to protect you, help you and support you. Wherever I will be, your words, your voice, your wishes, your dreams shall reach me, when you will need me.

Let's get one thing straight..you aren't a protector or the underdogs you aren't a white knight and you aren't a champion- you're not even close

and I'll add something else: my debaters..the Viz BG'ers all of them even the dregs and the trolls can handle themselves just fine..they certainly don't need a protector in someone like you..

and I'll tell you something else..when the chips are down and the BG'ers are under siege and they have no one who they can trust..The guy who's always had their backs in that time..has been IWD not Kakashi Demon.. they know this..I have them..I will fight to the last for them..but you, you support Naruto characters and wank Uchihas..that is what you are..and that is all that you are


But I have faith in you. I know that you can take care of yourself and do the right thing.

Your faith is irrelevant

Also, there are others I am entrusting with my role in my absence. They will help you, if you'll need them.

You're entrusting? You are no one to be entrusting anything to anyone a faceless fanboy who got his clock cleaned..

those who espouse your idealism..will be dealt with in due time..they will join you in exile..you have my personal assurances on that..

]I decided to let this thread be a place, where everybody who ever encountered problem when you defended your opinion but because majority disagrees with you, you are called troll and/or other bad things are directed towards you.

Those who fight against the majority on a feat based debate system with only their personal opinions and biases are objectively wrong..and should always be dismissed and marginalized..this is a reality: they have the weight of evidence and the house standards against them

those who challenge the majority with wisdom, intelligence and using feats are a welcomed gift and should be celebrated

you fall not into that category..those others who follow you..should they show themselves will face the BG'ers and will follow you..soon enough

I AM WITH YOU!!

A coward who runs and proclaims himself the Messiah from the rear is worthless both as a poster and as an idle..stand your ground or disgrace and debase yourself with your cowardice further

And one day, I do intend to come back as I already have once.
!!

and on that day..I The Immortal Watch Dog..will stand before you and I will utterly break you and send you fleeing from this section in terror and frustration

I IWD...will do this..This I promise you and this I promise all BG'ers

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Why do we call a horse a horse?
It is pretty easy to figure out.

Hi Larry I'm IWD I don't think we've met..but after reading this post I think I like your style
Because it is a horse. But this guy is not trolling. If he was a troll he wouldn't leave, so he could troll.

I don't get how it is irony!!! :D

There are different types of trolls UC This guy was a troll

[Larry01239]

Hi Larry I'm IWD I don't think we've met..but after reading this post I think I like your style
Yo! I like your style too Bro!

[shinigan no sora]

Lol for all this

Can't wait to see what and if the guy will respond with

[Frost ninja]

This guy deserves exile!

I'm the only white knight around here b:P

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Lol for all this

Can't wait to see what and if the guy will respond with

I don't think he will but if he does.. well, you know me

Yo! I like your style too Bro!

you new to this section?


This guy deserves exile!

I'm the only white knight around here b:P

your reasons are valid at least if at times misguided

I can abide by you because of that..this on the other hand

[Frost ninja]

yay for toleration

[shinigan no sora]

And shotguns. And beautiful asian women. ^_ ^

@IWD

Curved end of a crobar up his ass? Metaphorically speaking that is.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Well, it was about time we got one of those famous IWD speeches. It's been too long. :lol:

[Ultimate combatant]

Well, it was about time we got one of those famous IWD speeches. It's been too long. :lol:

It was the first time for me to see him so serious.

I must admit though, his speech was Epic!!! :D

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

thanks guys, honestly I have no idea where it comes from. sometimes the muse hits and hellfire and brimstone comes out

[321zigzag3]

That is quite a speech there Kakashi Demon.


Should I be a white knight too? :ugeek:

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

but you're already our peace maker

[megabbaut]

Am I a peace maker?

[shinigan no sora]

No...

[shinigan no sora]

Megabutt you are nothing but a turtle on this forum and you know what that means

[megabbaut]

Megabutt you are nothing but a turtle on this forum and you know what that means
T_T You gave me an inferiority complex

[shinigan no sora]

An inferiority complex will be the least of your problems after shika finds out you're a turtle

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/340/f/6/rape_face_demotivator_by_sazigirl-d34dct1.png

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Am I a peace maker?

you're our mascot

[Wooster]

Who was this guy and why did he mention me? Unless the W he was talking about was GWB. :lol:

[Jonesy]

There is only one kind of knight around here, and that is....

http://www.moviesandtvhistoryguy.com/dark-knight-rises-batman.jpg

[Kakashi Demon]

Not even a month passed since I left this place. I was contacted and told there were problems here, that I had to come and deal with the problems personally.

And it was true. In so little time, things changed drastically. In my absence, people already tried to take this place over. The fact I was absent was exploited heavily. It gave rise to power for some people and removed some from it. When I left things weren't perfect, however, they were at least decent. And now this entire place is collapsing. People obviously thought I wouldn't come here no matter what happened. But I made it quite clear that if anyone needed me here, I'd do my best to come as soon as possible. And I am here.

Numerous members realized this place is collapsing. They left, but not before pointing out some of the major flaws that are still not corrected. These include but are not limited to freedom of speech, unbalancedly divided powers, abuse of those powers, bias, unfairness and hipocrisy.

Those who stood their own in this oppression and did your best, Well Done. I told you I'd come when I was needed. Don't worry I am here now!!

You know Kakashi Demon..I held back on responding to this thread because I had absolutely no idea..who the hell you were, but then I saw how incredibly dishonest your post was, how you white knighted and blamed quality posters while playing the victim and failing to own up to your own failures..

I see it is easy to attack and accuse someone when he leaves. Making yourself general after a battle you weren't in. Fitting with your cruel demeanor.

so then..right I dunno who you are, and you probably have no idea who I am..but I am The Immortal Watch Dog, you can call me IWD for short.. I am the guy who runs the tournaments here and am the multiverse mod - I'm also the guy who brought Viz Battlegrounds its Pax romana..by specifically doing the exact opposite of everything you champion..so you know where this is going

I have heard of you before. Nothing particularly good, nothing particularly bad. Just heard
about you. But after reading this post, seeing you make all those members go away, restricting freedom of expression and other things... I think I get the picture who you are.

I don't know how much you know about me. You can call me Kakashi Demon or KD or whatever...
That is not the point. I am just another member who is not above fighting for everyone's rights, for quality of this and other places and for saying what you think out loud.

specifically in my yard..I don't tolerate white knights..you are not escaping this situation without my thoughts on the matter

Your yard? Your palace with donuts, cookies and what else?

This is everybody's place. This is not place where others come because you allow them.
They come because they want to. You are not the owner, nor keeper.

You can help others have a nice time here. That is you role.


Oh that is absolute bull crap.. it's a common complaint of every single poster who comes into this thread thinking he can spout whatever views he wants and be free from reprisals..Grow up this is a verses debate section..You stand your ground and you debate based on facts and feats not opinions and if you fail to do that..then you deserve to be knocked..down again and against and again until you learn

Yes, every single member can "spout" anything he wants as long as it is not insulting,
offensive or similar. The only reprisals should be arguments proving otherwise.

As long as one claims something and the other one is not fine with it, he should present arguments. That is all. The feats presented are and should be based on opinion, otherwise it would be pointless since you wouldn't be able to judge feat to point out.


it was an act of unmitigated selfishness, I read your posts you broke house rules regarding biased (it's a crime to be a fanboy) you engaged in fanwank and dishonesty..you failed to prove your point and argued from an opinion base

I did not break the rules.

It is not a crime to be a fanboy as long as it doesn't affect your views. Not that it matters because I wasn't a fanboy. I did not wank. I was honest.

I did not fail and neither did those who said I was opposed my opinion and told what they believed. You on the other hand, with your accusation and such... Kinda did.


essentially had I still possessed the power to do so..you would have been temp banned for being an Uchihatard on the spot

Now you do.


you absolutely are not allowed to debate that way..yet you did and when you got called out on it..you ran..

you could have opted to learn how we do things..instead you bailed..

I am allowed and I will for as long as I want. If I had to learn to behave like you, I wouldn't get very far. That said, my behavior is not perfect either. But don't go around pretending you are a role model.


I know why you're doing this, you want attention, you don't have a thick skin and you fail utterly at comprehending sarcasm (note when a person tells you "get out" on a verses debate board it usually means stop making asinine posts)

now you have a choice..you hosted this pity party..you can turn tail and run or you can man up and get back into the trenches..either way..here and now..I am making sure you take your lumps

I find it funny how you waited till I left and then started trash talking, writing how I am scared, how I ran away from your mighty talks.

You wait till the battle is over and then you come and speak bad because those you trash talk can't hear you.


What mods and staff? You mean the Mongooses? There is a system of rules I designed that are still valid..

If you are describing current ones holding the power, I won't oppose your opinion.


you broke those rules they should have banned you..for whatever reason they gave you a chance and you completely spat in their faces by posting this titty attack of a resignation thread

I did not insult them and as explained above, neither did I break the rules.

You were asked to leave likely in a sarcastic and aggressive manner after being told repeatedly to stop masturbating Madara Uchiha..You are at fault..you could consider this a learning experience of course.

This is a verses debate forum.. Opinions don't matter only evidence

The reasons I left are explained in my original post. On the side note, Madara Uchiha is not exactly one of my favorite characters. Not that I dislike him or anything. He is only mentioned by me as a good example of powerful ones in Narutoverse.

Opinions as I said before... Do matter.

it's not who you believe will win, it's what the facts say and nothing else

I agree... somewhat.

Let's get one thing straight..you aren't a protector or the underdogs you aren't a white knight and you aren't a champion- you're not even close

and I'll add something else: my debaters..the Viz BG'ers all of them even the dregs and the trolls can handle themselves just fine..they certainly don't need a protector in someone like you..

and I'll tell you something else..when the chips are down and the BG'ers are under siege and they have no one who they can trust..The guy who's always had their backs in that time..has been IWD not Kakashi Demon.. they know this..I have them..I will fight to the last for them..but you, you support Naruto characters and wank Uchihas..that is what you are..and that is all that you are

Previously you called me white knight, in this part you say I am not. Decide for one thing.

Also I never said I was any of those. I do what I do! I don't care about titles!

Yes, I believe in them as well and as I wrote before, I know they can stand their own ground. But if they ask for help, they will get it.

You say they know it. If they know what you said, fine by me. But you don't have them. They are not yours to have. I'm glad if you'll fight for them. I support Naruto characters, that much is true. But I don't wank Uchiha's nor other Naruto characters. What you wrote is not what I am. It is what you either think or wish or whatever.

Your faith is irrelevant

And you expect me to believe you? Nice try. Everyone's opinion matters. Even yours!!

You're entrusting? You are no one to be entrusting anything to anyone a faceless fanboy who got his clock cleaned..

those who espouse your idealism..will be dealt with in due time..they will join you in exile..you have my personal assurances on that..

Yes, I entrusted.

This part of your threat you actually started realizing. But I won't let you take this any further.

Those who fight against the majority on a feat based debate system with only their personal opinions and biases are objectively wrong..and should always be dismissed and marginalized..this is a reality: they have the weight of evidence and the house standards against them

those who challenge the majority with wisdom, intelligence and using feats are a welcomed gift and should be celebrated

I disagree about your claims about how opinions do not matter. But otherwise, yes.

you fall not into that category..those others who follow you..should they show themselves will face the BG'ers and will follow you..soon enough

Do not dare to threaten to others, especially in a post directed towards me!

A coward who runs and proclaims himself the Messiah from the rear is worthless both as a poster and as an idle..stand your ground or disgrace and debase yourself with your cowardice further

How cute.

and on that day..I The Immortal Watch Dog..will stand before you and I will utterly break you and send you fleeing from this section in terror and frustration

I IWD...will do this..This I promise you and this I promise all BG'ers

I'd like to see you try since you're so arrogant. Though, I do not understand why you try are so belligerent.

Oh, and let me give you a real life advice. Never make a promise you can't keep!

[Uchiha Sora]

Not even a month passed since I left this place. I was contacted and told there were problems here, that I had to come and deal with the problems personally.

And it was true. In so little time, things changed drastically. In my absence, people already tried to take this place over. The fact I was absent was exploited heavily. It gave rise to power for some people and removed some from it. When I left things weren't perfect, however, they were at least decent. And now this entire place is collapsing. People obviously thought I wouldn't come here no matter what happened. But I made it quite clear that if anyone needed me here, I'd do my best to come as soon as possible. And I am here.

Numerous members realized this place is collapsing. They left, but not before pointing out some of the major flaws that are still not corrected. These include but are not limited to freedom of speech, unbalancedly divided powers, abuse of those powers, bias, unfairness and hipocrisy.

Those who stood their own in this oppression and did your best, Well Done. I told you I'd come when I was needed. Don't worry I am here now!!
Who are you again? There hasn't been any sort of conflict since you left :lol:

[shinigan no sora]

Ikr. I mean seriously who does this guy think he is?

[Jonesy]

Ikr. I mean seriously who does this guy think he is?

He's the forum savior, duh. :p

[shinigan no sora]

This forum has only one messiah his name doug. We kept him in a lab, he only lived for a fewmonths before he got into the garbage and ate soome chocolate. After which he ascended into heaven with a thousand hookers named joseph where he now sits in judgement of the fantards

And thats where babies come from :lol:

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Not even a month passed since I left this place. I was contacted and told there were problems here, that I had to come and deal with the problems personally.

you mean two trolls ran away and you decided to return and white knight? Excellent..also in this very post you committed numerous bannable offenses..I could just order a FAIL under my jurisdiction to ban you but I actually wont. The Bg'ers need a little exercise and I don't mind letting them flex their debate muscles a little- sooner or later you'll be gone



And it was true. In so little time, things changed drastically. In my absence, people already tried to take this place over. The fact I was absent was exploited heavily. It gave rise to power for some people and removed some from it. When I left things weren't perfect, however, they were at least decent. And now this entire place is collapsing. People obviously thought I wouldn't come here no matter what happened. But I made it quite clear that if anyone needed me here, I'd do my best to come as soon as possible. And I am here.

And you know what? You're right Wooster left and lost his powers and he didn't deserve it. TBC is the master of his own fate but you do not exactly realize the situation now.

IWD and Shikamara Nara are the powers of the Bg now..we run the show, this is now a debate forum run by verses debaters for verses debaters with the best interest of the verses debaters taking paramount importance over all..

in our yard, you will not wank, you will not debate based on opinions..and you will not make false claims..you will not be a fanboy

Numerous members realized this place is collapsing. They left, but not before pointing out some of the major flaws that are still not corrected. These include but are not limited to freedom of speech, unbalancedly divided powers, abuse of those powers, bias, unfairness and hipocrisy.

Two useless members who contributed nothing one who was punished multiple times by us..indeed left

their loss is meaningless - you;re return only seals your fate

Those who stood their own in this oppression and did your best, Well Done. I told you I'd come when I was needed. Don't worry I am here now!!


You seem to fail to comprehend that based on this post alone and your false claims about Jiraiya soloing OP that any mongoose can easily have you banned for that?

but I wont do that..people like you serve a valued purpose on verse sections, they teach a hard lesson about those who think they can stand in the raging torrent and fight truth and quality - their inevitable meltdown and demise proves to all around them what a foolish mistake it is to be a fanboy on a section like this.

I suppose though, because of what is about to happen to you, you will serve a purpose/.


I see it is easy to attack and accuse someone when he leaves. Making yourself general after a battle you weren't in. Fitting with your cruel demeanor.

Actually, and you can ask anyone here. I have no problem facing anything head on for the sake of defending objective and honest traditional verses debating. As for the battle that made me general, it was a really, atrocious battle that exposed me to morally abhorrent and criminally reckless behavior on the part of those who would condemn the BG's and I lost it all multiple times no less simply put..you have no idea what you are talking about



I have heard of you before. Nothing particularly good, nothing particularly bad. Just heard
about you. But after reading this post, seeing you make all those members go away, restricting freedom of expression and other things... I think I get the picture who you are.

I am not restricting anyones freedom of expression I simply made it a bannable offense to be a fanboy. I made it a crime to claim Naruto characters can solo one piece..for example

or if you want an old school example: World War Hulk verses Konoha,,or Kakashi verses superman anyone persistently arguing for Naruto characters victories would be guilty of failing to debate objectively and using valid forms of evidence..and thus would no longer be allowed to continue to debate unless they changed their tunes

I don't know how much you know about me. You can call me Kakashi Demon or KD or whatever...
That is not the point. I am just another member who is not above fighting for everyone's rights, for quality of this and other places and for saying what you think out loud.

Yeah no, you;re a guy who claimed an Uchiha a second rate eyeball freak could take out a guy who can shake islands, spit them in half and cause tidal waves that affects islands hundreds of miles away...

and you got shutdown for such a dumb claim not supported by facts


Your yard? Your palace with donuts, cookies and what else?


yes my yard, the territory I protect for the sake of the debaters here..yes

This is everybody's place. This is not place where others come because you allow them.
They come because they want to. You are not the owner, nor keeper.

Yes I am and you adhere to the BG's house standards or you are welcome to join someplace like MvC

You can help others have a nice time here. That is you role.


that's exactly what I am doing


Yes, every single member can "spout" anything he wants as long as it is not insulting,
offensive or similar. The only reprisals should be arguments proving otherwise.

actually no he can't if he makes a claim he is under obligation to back this up with facts

As long as one claims something and the other one is not fine with it, he should present arguments. That is all. The feats presented are and should be based on opinion, otherwise it would be pointless since you wouldn't be able to judge feat to point out.

and yet you failed to do this spectacularly



I did not break the rules.

Yes you did, you claimed Jiraiya could solo OP when the facts don't support you

you persisted in the argument..and that is where the rules were broken

It is not a crime to be a fanboy as long as it doesn't affect your views. Not that it matters because I wasn't a fanboy. I did not wank. I was honest.

Actually yes, it is, we made it that way about five months ago

]I did not fail and neither did those who said I was opposed my opinion and told what they believed. You on the other hand, with your accusation and such... Kinda did.

ya did, buddy, ya made an absurd claim and failed to back it up and kinda ran



I am allowed and I will for as long as I want.


actually no you aren't


I find it funny how you waited till I left and then started trash talking, writing how I am scared, how I ran away from your mighty talks.


What inanity is this? :lol: I had absolutely no idea who you were, or what that debate entailed because I kinda dislike the HsT and find their threads to be tedious and full of biased so I tend to not read them.

I seriously had no idea who you were until someone sent me a link to this thread on another site laughing at you..

The coward accusations are hilarious because even my critics acknowledge that;'s one thing I'm not


You wait till the battle is over and then you come and speak bad because those you trash talk can't hear you.

and yet you heard me just fine and here I am...



If you are describing current ones holding the power, I won't oppose your opinion.


Lol dude


I did not insult them and as explained above, neither did I break the rules.



ya violated house standards..ergo you broke the rules

Also I never said I was any of those. I do what I do! I don't care about titles!

What I find amusing is this quote, is just so hollow, you wouldn't be speaking the way you do if you didn't

Yes, I believe in them as well and as I wrote before, I know they can stand their own ground. But if they ask for help, they will get it.

three and a half years ago the OBD invaded this place, then they left for the most part after feasting on this sites "best debaters" Those of us who came from outside, the old guard who post on the larger sites some of us from that place, others from elsewhere - for two years we have been waging a crusade to correct the flaws this place had. For two years we've been succeeding

sorry but no..there is no ground being held

[You say they know it. If they know what you said, fine by me. But you don't have them. They are not yours to have. I'm glad if you'll fight for them. I support Naruto characters, that much is true. But I don't wank Uchiha's nor other Naruto characters. What you wrote is not what I am. It is what you either think or wish or whatever.

Yeah they are mine, it's a term of affection and they know it. They know that I am fiercely protective of them. They watched me fight the entire staff for them twice for them I;ve been demodded and banned and had to start from scratch..they have seen me remain when most of the other outsiders bailed...I've brought people in and kept the peace and done so without ever expecting thanks for reverence or praise of any kind..

Because of this..they know and they know when I call them "mine" it's less of a possessive term and more of a battered old dog watching over the kids in his yard.



And you expect me to believe you? Nice try. Everyone's opinion matters. Even yours!!

Whether you believe or not is irrelevant



Yes, I entrusted.

This part of your threat you actually started realizing. But I won't let you take this any further.

Buddy, I started realizing this with my first debate here. I've been realizing this long before I became a moderator. I was realizing this and bringing it to reality when I had a post count of fifteen and half the staff thought I was the devil and the other half were neutral and I had no one in my corner..

Do you understand yet? I've been changing the shape of this place through my arguments, through honesty and objectivity and applying the same universal standards all the quality places apply long before I became a mod. I didn't do it for nefarious reasons, I did it because this place had very good debaters and they were being overwhelmed by failure and fanboyism. My agenda my reason for doing it hasn't changed the only thing that has changed is now I have a badge of office and a bit more followers..that's it

You really don't get why I don't see you as a threat do you? Unlike you, I've lived this and I've done it facing everything from death threats to having people who confessed to murder in the convo being defended by the staff because they naively saw them as an "innocent victim" and I've done this for years and I have done so without the arrogance and selfish attention seeking I see in you



Do not dare to threaten to others, especially in a post directed towards me!




Threaten others? I don't have too the BG'ers can easily remove the taint of your influence on their own..


I'd like to see you try since you're so arrogant. Though, I do not understand why you try are so belligerent.

Oh, and let me give you a real life advice. Never make a promise you can't keep!

You have absolutely no idea just how out of your league you really are, don't you boyo?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

We need a better white knight

Hey Jonesey..you feel up to being our Harvey Dent?

[shinigan no sora]

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*munch munch munch* :lol:

[Ultimate combatant]

..............Did I miss something?

It depends on what you mean!!! :D

[shinigan no sora]

This kakashi demon character came out of nowhere and is acting like he was the one that came here and worked hard for years and bettered it as a whole

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

..............Did I miss something?

apparently instead of guys like you, and me and miles edgeworth and TBC and Shikamaru and Frosty being the ones who have logged in many years of personal time fixing this place

he single handedly did it with only a couple dozen posts no less

[shinigan no sora]

And also apparrently he was the one that recruited outsiders(like myself and people like kruptos, vongolatheeleventh and others) to bring forth additional quality numbers. To help flush out the trolls and etc

Oh and apparrently the definition of several concerned members is now two or so butthurt trolls and fantards. :lol:

[Jonesy]

We need a better white knight

Hey Jonesey..you feel up to being our Harvey Dent?

I would feel honored; I love debating, but never really posted that much here in the BG. *pushes up glasses* I would love to give it a go. :ugeek:

http://geektyrant.com/storage/page-images/Two_Face_6711.jpeg

[Kakashi Demon]

This kakashi demon character came out of nowhere and is acting like he was the one that came here and worked hard for years and bettered it as a whole

The way you talk indicates you've been here as long as I have.

you mean two trolls ran away and you decided to return and white knight? Excellent..also in this very post you committed numerous bannable offenses..I could just order a FAIL under my jurisdiction to ban you but I actually wont. The Bg'ers need a little exercise and I don't mind letting them flex their debate muscles a little- sooner or later you'll be gone

The ones that you kept calling trolls. The ones who weren't. The ones whose complaints about this place you haven't taken into consideration. The ones who did their best. The ones who admitted this "yard" restricts freedom of expression.

But it isn't just about two members even though two members is a lot, it is about those who can't express their opinion. And I didn't decide. I was forced to come.

In all of my posts together, I don't think I have done a single thing which could be considered a bannable offense. In the previous post, even less.
What exactly in the post you quoted was bannable offense. Tell me, I won't mind.

If you did ban me... What would you hope to achieve with that? Few posts (that you consider troll posts) less? Someone less to waste your time on? Confirmation of what I was complaining about all the time?

Do you think that would solve it all?

Warming Battlegrounders up, huh?

What makes you think I'll go take a break that soon again? Especially after my absence was exploited so quickly?

And you know what? You're right Wooster left and lost his powers and he didn't deserve it. TBC is the master of his own fate but you do not exactly realize the situation now.

IWD and Shikamara Nara are the powers of the Bg now..we run the show, this is now a debate forum run by verses debaters for verses debaters with the best interest of the verses debaters taking paramount importance over all..

I am glad we agree about something.

And I have nothing against you or SN or anyone else. Only thing that bothers me, is your approach.

I can see you are trying to make this place better. However your actions are not appropriate. Better place you seek must be reached through peace and understanding.

You did drive some members away, call them whatever you want, you drove them away.

With more understanding, things could've worked out most likely. Those who left will be missed and I hope they will come here once again.

in our yard, you will not wank, you will not debate based on opinions..and you will not make false claims..you will not be a fanboy

I don't think I ever did any of these things. At the very least on these forums.

And don't worry, I don't intend to. But don't expect that I will keep silent when I disagree with something written.

Two useless members who contributed nothing one who was punished multiple times by us..indeed left

their loss is meaningless - you;re return only seals your fate

This is not the right attitude for someone who claims himself to be a keeper of this place.

You seem to fail to comprehend that based on this post alone and your false claims about Jiraiya soloing OP that any mongoose can easily have you banned for that?

I was reffering to the asumption that Jiraiya and Kisame can solo OnePieceverse. I didn't mean that it is 100% that Jiraiya solos OnePieceverse.

Furthermore, I even said that when top tiers like Gol D. Roger get feats, even Madara couldn't solo it.

but I wont do that..people like you serve a valued purpose on verse sections, they teach a hard lesson about those who think they can stand in the raging torrent and fight truth and quality - their inevitable meltdown and demise proves to all around them what a foolish mistake it is to be a fanboy on a section like this.

I suppose though, because of what is about to happen to you, you will serve a purpose/.

Truth and quality are one of my greatest allies. So, you most likely over assume too much.

Actually, and you can ask anyone here. I have no problem facing anything head on for the sake of defending objective and honest traditional verses debating. As for the battle that made me general, it was a really, atrocious battle that exposed me to morally abhorrent and criminally reckless behavior on the part of those who would condemn the BG's and I lost it all multiple times no less simply put..you have no idea what you are talking about

Perhaps I over assumed about you, too, because of lack of informations. If I did, I apologize.

I am not restricting anyones freedom of expression I simply made it a bannable offense to be a fanboy. I made it a crime to claim Naruto characters can solo one piece..for example

In the characters talk section, there is quite many of those who openly admit they are fanboys of some character. When they occasionally come here, are they guilty of fanboyism.

Also, which Naruto characters are you not allowed to claim solo OnePieceverse and what is such "law" based on?

or if you want an old school example: World War Hulk verses Konoha,,or Kakashi verses superman anyone persistently arguing for Naruto characters victories would be guilty of failing to debate objectively and using valid forms of evidence..and thus would no longer be allowed to continue to debate unless they changed their tunes

That is because Kakashi cannot win against superman with 99.99% chance.

And even then if someone claimed different, he would not be guilty for interpreting facts differently.

Yeah no, you;re a guy who claimed an Uchiha a second rate eyeball freak could take out a guy who can shake islands, spit them in half and cause tidal waves that affects islands hundreds of miles away...

and you got shutdown for such a dumb claim not supported by facts

Actually, I claimed he could take out the guy you named, plus the rest of the OnePieceverse.

But I don't see where the problem is.

Here's the thing after I expressed what I wrote, few people who disagreed wrote it. Fine, I strengthened my claims by giving proofs. I named more than half of moves that Madara is capable of doing and if you follow the Manga even loosely, you know he can do them. On top of that I even mentioned a few strategies Madara can use to solo them. I suppose those who watch Anime only cannot know that but that is their mistake, not mine.

yes my yard, the territory I protect for the sake of the debaters here..yes
Yes I am and you adhere to the BG's house standards or you are welcome to join someplace like MvC
that's exactly what I am doing

Alright then. As I said it is not your position, it is your approach that is problematic.

actually no he can't if he makes a claim he is under obligation to back this up with facts


and yet you failed to do this spectacularly

With first part I agree and don't really see how it differs from what I said.

The second part I wonder, how so?

Yes you did, you claimed Jiraiya could solo OP when the facts don't support you

you persisted in the argument..and that is where the rules were broken

As I already explained, see above.

Actually yes, it is, we made it that way about five months ago

OK then.

ya did, buddy, ya made an absurd claim and failed to back it up and kinda ran

I made an absurd claim? The one about Madara vs OnePieceverse? Maybe, although I named Madara's moves and mentioned strategies. But Maybe it is absurd.

I tried to back it up. You say I failed. If that was the only problem, you could've just told so. I am prepared prepared to debate as long as it takes.

And I did not run. I had my reasons to go. Among others, I was asked to leave. It's not like I did it before telling everyone how, why and when.

actually no you aren't

I don't really know against which rule would it be.

What inanity is this? :lol: I had absolutely no idea who you were, or what that debate entailed because I kinda dislike the HsT and find their threads to be tedious and full of biased so I tend to not read them.

I seriously had no idea who you were until someone sent me a link to this thread on another site laughing at you..

The coward accusations are hilarious because even my critics acknowledge that;'s one thing I'm not

OK. I believe you.

and yet you heard me just fine and here I am...

Yeah, I suppose you are right.

Lol dude

LOL WUT?

What I find amusing is this quote, is just so hollow, you wouldn't be speaking the way you do if you didn't

Do you really think titles matter?

three and a half years ago the OBD invaded this place, then they left for the most part after feasting on this sites "best debaters" Those of us who came from outside, the old guard who post on the larger sites some of us from that place, others from elsewhere - for two years we have been waging a crusade to correct the flaws this place had. For two years we've been succeeding

sorry but no..there is no ground being held


I wasn't here back then, yet. I suppose I will believe you on word.

Yeah they are mine, it's a term of affection and they know it. They know that I am fiercely protective of them. They watched me fight the entire staff for them twice for them I;ve been demodded and banned and had to start from scratch..they have seen me remain when most of the other outsiders bailed...I've brought people in and kept the peace and done so without ever expecting thanks for reverence or praise of any kind..


Even stronger proof you try to make this place better. If you really do, you'll listen to me and try to be more understanding.

Whether you believe or not is irrelevant

Do you think that is true only for me, or others, too? Try to be more tolerant, more understanding and assist those who need advice.

Buddy, I started realizing this with my first debate here. I've been realizing this long before I became a moderator. I was realizing this and bringing it to reality when I had a post count of fifteen and half the staff thought I was the devil and the other half were neutral and I had no one in my corner..

Do you understand yet? I've been changing the shape of this place through my arguments, through honesty and objectivity and applying the same universal standards all the quality places apply long before I became a mod. I didn't do it for nefarious reasons, I did it because this place had very good debaters and they were being overwhelmed by failure and fanboyism. My agenda my reason for doing it hasn't changed the only thing that has changed is now I have a badge of office and a bit more followers..that's it

You really don't get why I don't see you as a threat do you? Unlike you, I've lived this and I've done it facing everything from death threats to having people who confessed to murder in the convo being defended by the staff because they naively saw them as an "innocent victim" and I've done this for years and I have done so without the arrogance and selfish attention seeking I see in you

I believed in other experiences you mentioned, I'll believe in this one, too.

Threaten others? I don't have too the BG'ers can easily remove the taint of your influence on their own..

There is no need for either action in the first place.

You have absolutely no idea just how out of your league you really are, don't you boyo?

As I said... I am not above fighting for everyone's rights.

I'll be glad if you consider and think about what I wrote. And I will try to follow your advices!

[shinigan no sora]

On this forum? Maybe not. But I'm certainly more informed, especially since you just keep running off

Oh and just because you joined before I did doesn't mean squat. Especially since I've clearly logged more time and effort than you have. And have a much more clear presence here than you do.

I got recruited to this place from elsewhere as did my wife. Do you know why that is? Its because we've kicked ass and rebuilt this type of section before. We earned our way here. We proved ourselves by trial of fire. You think you can just step in and say with your lack of experience and effort that you can waltz. In here and try to turn over what we've worked on? :lol:

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The ones that you kept calling trolls. The ones who weren't. The ones whose complaints about this place you haven't taken into consideration. The ones who did their best. The ones who admitted this "yard" restricts freedom of expression.

They need to accept this is no longer an opinion based section..

But it isn't just about two members even though two members is a lot, it is about those who can't express their opinion. And I didn't decide. I was forced to come.

Really because as soon as they left three more took their place..



If you did ban me... What would you hope to achieve with that?

It would teach the debaters here nothing, the one lesson they need to learn they wouldn't

so they can have at you..and get that lesson



I am glad we agree about something.

And I have nothing against you or SN or anyone else. Only thing that bothers me, is your approach.

I can see you are trying to make this place better. However your actions are not appropriate. Better place you seek must be reached through peace and understanding.


There's only one way to cure a verses section and make it live again- through fire and debate

You did drive some members away, call them whatever you want, you drove them away.

and immediately gained three more active members. You don't seem to get this, my way works. When I was second in command under TBC we had peace and a constant stream of activity because it was known throughout the vs debate community that, this place would no longer tolerate BS

With more understanding, things could've worked out most likely. Those who left will be missed and I hope they will come here once again.


they wont be, they contributed absolutely nothing to the BG's


This is not the right attitude for someone who claims himself to be a keeper of this place.

And you're attitude is? Hahaha




Truth and quality are one of my greatest allies. So, you most likely over assume too much.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

In the characters talk section, there is quite many of those who openly admit they are fanboys of some character. When they occasionally come here, are they guilty of fanboyism.

if they claim Sasuke can beat Superman..or something equally insane you bet yer arse they would be

Also, which Naruto characters are you not allowed to claim solo OnePieceverse and what is such "law" based on?


until feats improve none of them can


Actually, I claimed he could take out the guy you named, plus the rest of the OnePieceverse.

the facts don't support that

But I don't see where the problem is.

you are factually wrong

Here's the thing after I expressed what I wrote, few people who disagreed wrote it. Fine, I strengthened my claims by giving proofs. I named more than half of moves that Madara is capable of doing and if you follow the Manga even loosely, you know he can do them. On top of that I even mentioned a few strategies Madara can use to solo them. I suppose those who watch Anime only cannot know that but that is their mistake, not mine.

and your failing to grasp none of that matters because he'd be mercilessly speed blitz and smashed in the face with a town buster right off the bat



Alright then. As I said it is not your position, it is your approach that is problematic.

says you, and others who don't have the first clue how to run a verses debate section

And I did not run. I had my reasons to go. Among others, I was asked to leave. It's not like I did it before telling everyone how, why and when.

So someone sarcastically asks you to leave and publish a long arrogant speech about the evils of this place before bailing then trying to come back and white knight :lol:

hey Larry or some other newb tell this guy to get out again, maybe we'll get some entertainment out of it


Do you really think titles matter?


hell no, you on the other hand certainly seem to think so


Do you think that is true only for me, or others, too? Try to be more tolerant, more understanding and assist those who need advice.


I have no problems assisting those who need advice and being tolerant. I do to many newbs who slip up and make genuine mistakes. There is a fine line between someone who just needs a little patience and guidance and someone like you or the two that left

that is why you are being met with such resistance, because I have seen nothing but compensation, grandiosity and white knighting and naruto wank from you..where as your average debater is merely making a typical error and can readily be corrected with a kind word and a decent explanation

I would feel honored; I love debating, but never really posted that much here in the BG. *pushes up glasses* I would love to give it a go. :ugeek:

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Jonesey whether or not we think alike I've never seen you raise a point that wasn't well thought out and well asserted. You and anyone like you are welcome to become a more active force in this section

I'm dead serious, my door is always open to you

On this forum? Maybe not. But I'm certainly more informed, especially since you just keep running off

I love how most of the critics of the way we do things either haven't the first clue how to handle this section and barely interact inside it. or their just jilted trolls

[Cult of Personality]

Who is this tool? I can't remember ever seeing him before. :hmm

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Who is this tool? I can't remember ever seeing him before. :hmm

I don't know, he appeared and claimed himself the savior of all debaters and a bastion of quality and words of truth. but when it comes to people who wrought great works on behalf of the BG's that go forever unnoticed there is that enigmatic "Dudmeister" that existed once upon a time

[Cult of Personality]

Alas, the truly great ones ever go unappreciated, while the truly crappy rise to the top.

Reference: Final Fantasies 8 & 9 vs FF7 respectively

[Shikamaru Nara]

I found Cult's second reaction to this thread absolutely hilarious.
Well done, chap. :lmao

[Jonesy]

Jonesey whether or not we think alike I've never seen you raise a point that wasn't well thought out and well asserted. You and anyone like you are welcome to become a more active force in this section

I'm dead serious, my door is always open to you

I shall become more active here in the BG, and thank you for having your door always open to me. :D

[Kakashi Demon]

They need to accept this is no longer an opinion based section..

Opinion based or not, opinion should be allowed. Otherwise place will become even worse than OBD.

Really because as soon as they left three more took their place..

Three more, two less opposed to three more plus two.

It would teach the debaters here nothing, the one lesson they need to learn they wouldn't

so they can have at you..and get that lesson

I agree.

There's only one way to cure a verses section and make it live again- through fire and debate

Through debate, yes. But fire, even though it is inevitable for it to be, must not be supported.

and immediately gained three more active members. You don't seem to get this, my way works. When I was second in command under TBC we had peace and a constant stream of activity because it was known throughout the vs debate community that, this place would no longer tolerate BS

Or maybe people here were simply happier. They had freedom, they had opportunity but most of all, they had fun.

they wont be, they contributed absolutely nothing to the BG's

That would make all new guys not be welcome because they didn't contribute yet. Besides, I think they did debate well a few times.

And you're attitude is? Hahaha

Alright I admit it. I was slightly short tempered in a few posts. But your then again... It is not me who claims himself to be the keeper.

I'll try to do my best with my attitude and so should you.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I don't know why you find it so funny. Every time someone wanted my explanation I gave it. When I was asked, I told why I think Madara would win. Whether he'd win or not, is another story. But I did explain why I think so. I did name which moves he has and what strategies he can use.

if they claim Sasuke can beat Superman..or something equally insane you bet yer arse they would be

As I thought, it is not crime to be a fanboy, only to have it affect how you debate.

until feats improve none of them can

How about soloing OnePieceverse minus Gol D. Roger?

the facts don't support that

How so? Madara has advantage in speed, number of techniques, plenty of them capable of bringing down Whitebeard.

you are factually wrong

Alright then. But then simply try to correct me and I'll either agree or provide another argument.

and your failing to grasp none of that matters because he'd be mercilessly speed blitz and smashed in the face with a town buster right off the bat

Isn't speed of Narutoverse far higher than OnePieceverse? I will admit I didn't do calculation for either side. But if I am not mistaken the best speed feats One Piece has (not counting Kizaru) would be Luffy dodging bullets and still being slowpoke compared to Blueno and then Luffy semi-blitzing Blueno. And then Luffy gradually improving over time and receiving a speed boost after time skip. I don't really know how it even comes to the level of speed Narutoverse has.

says you, and others who don't have the first clue how to run a verses debate section

You may have an experience in running verses section, I won't say otherwise. But this is not just any verses section.

Here opinion should be free to express. Maybe not considered always but at least allowed.

Now I may not know a lot about that. But I can tell things are not how they should be!

So someone sarcastically asks you to leave and publish a long arrogant speech about the evils of this place before bailing then trying to come back and white knight

hey Larry or some other newb tell this guy to get out again, maybe we'll get some entertainment out of it

I had other reasons too. And guy seriously had the attitude as if I was troll and making this place worse. It seems more like he never contributed to this place.

hell no, you on the other hand certainly seem to think so

I don't. As I already said. I do what I do. You and some other think I am being troll. Some think I am just pointing out mistakes. Some think I am trying to improve this place.

Everyone has some sort of opinion about me. Titles do not matter.

Though I really do not understand something. I express what I think is wrong with this place. You don't seem to agree with me. People have different opinions. And I understand that.

But I don't understand why you view me as a troll. Have I not shown that I am serious when pointing out things that I think are mistakes?

I have no problems assisting those who need advice and being tolerant. I do to many newbs who slip up and make genuine mistakes. There is a fine line between someone who just needs a little patience and guidance and someone like you or the two that left

that is why you are being met with such resistance, because I have seen nothing but compensation, grandiosity and white knighting and naruto wank from you..where as your average debater is merely making a typical error and can readily be corrected with a kind word and a decent explanation

Even if I were wrong during debates, how were my mistakes not genuine?

In the debates it's not like I just said that Madara wins. I said but I also provided some of the reasons why I think he wins. If you disagree with my reasons than you should just write that you think I was wrong and explain why those reasons alone are not enough for him to win!

If I am wrong, how is my mistake not a typical error? How can it not be readily corrected with a kind word?

And I am still waiting for an explanation I never received.

[Cult of Personality]

I'm lazy so I only read the last line in that post.

When you stop sucking you'll get an explanation.

[Uchiha Sora]

You ARE on the list. :lol: you're UXS and I'm MB

Pretty sure he meant UchihaXSasuke... Which is pretty odd to me

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Opinion based or not, opinion should be allowed. Otherwise place will become even worse than OBD.

considering the OBD has taken CBr's place as the third "great power" among verses debate sites out there..I don't actually see a problem with this place becoming like the OBD

having debated on both in their heydays..I just don't see it






Or maybe people here were simply happier. They had freedom, they had opportunity but most of all, they had fun.


oh then in that case everything is fine- see when I got demoted and demodded (and CoP and any other poster in this thread can attest to this) things immediately got worse, the fanboys were at the gates and trolling rose exponentially..when I took back power things calmed down

people seemed a lot happier then and do now, we actually lost people when that changed


That would make all new guys not be welcome because they didn't contribute yet. Besides, I think they did debate well a few times.


no all new guys are welcome.. obviously they need time to build up but this guy had a year and did absolutely nothing in that time...so no different situation


I'll try to do my best with my attitude and so should you.


my attitude is someone who finds this entire situation almost tragically comic



How about soloing OnePieceverse minus Gol D. Roger?



based on what?

How so? Madara has advantage in speed, number of techniques, plenty of them capable of bringing down Whitebeard.

Naruto has the slowest characters out of the HsT... now bleach seems to be edging out OP in speed



Alright then. But then simply try to correct me and I'll either agree or provide another argument.


good posters like Uchiha Sora tried that in that thread, you did not listen


Isn't speed of Narutoverse far higher than OnePieceverse? I will admit I didn't do calculation for either side. But if I am not mistaken the best speed feats One Piece has (not counting Kizaru) would be Luffy dodging bullets and still being slowpoke compared to Blueno and then Luffy semi-blitzing Blueno. And then Luffy gradually improving over time and receiving a speed boost after time skip. I don't really know how it even comes to the level of speed Narutoverse has.


the fastest characters going by feats in the NU would be Gai and Naruto and the Raikages.. going by calcs it'd probably be a few more there

going by feats Soul society arc Yamamoto and Yuiroichi still crap on their best feats much less monsters like Silvers who can react to Kizaru or the sword masters like Dracule or Shanks


I had other reasons too. And guy seriously had the attitude as if I was troll and making this place worse. It seems more like he never contributed to this place.


and if you feel that guys attitude was BS knock him down a peg, the civility rules that govern the BG's do allow you to defend yourself as long as you don't straddle the fence too far into flaming

we take a very harsh stance on bullying, instead of running you should have just held your ground

I don't. As I already said. I do what I do. You and some other think I am being troll. Some think I am just pointing out mistakes. Some think I am trying to improve this place.

I have seen nothing yet


But I don't understand why you view me as a troll. Have I not shown that I am serious when pointing out things that I think are mistakes?




if you can't see the problem with the way you are acting then and the difference between yourself and say Megabut who recently essentially wiped out the entirety of the BG staff in one moment of moronic white knighting..and why despite that the guy isn't receiving half the flak you are then I don't know what to say

there are ways to approach things..walking in here like you're Jesus Christ fused with Joan of Arc is not one of them

[Kakashi Demon]

considering the OBD has taken CBr's place as the third "great power" among verses debate sites out there..I don't actually see a problem with this place becoming like the OBD

having debated on both in their heydays..I just don't see it


This is an official forum. It has its standards. OBD is full of flaming, insulting and trolling. Also their debates lack something... I can't really describe. But we want to be better than OBD. Polite, understanding, nice, intelligent, skilled, successful, opened for everyone, fair, perseverant and not be fakers.


oh then in that case everything is fine- see when I got demoted and demodded (and CoP and any other poster in this thread can attest to this) things immediately got worse, the fanboys were at the gates and trolling rose exponentially..when I took back power things calmed down

people seemed a lot happier then and do now, we actually lost people when that changed


I am not saying I support trolling. But claiming someone would win and providing reasons other do not find convincing is not trolling.


no all new guys are welcome.. obviously they need time to build up but this guy had a year and did absolutely nothing in that time...so no different situation

Well I am here for around two years and in terms of debating I didn't do that much. Does this mean that in future, I won't be more beneficial for Battlegrounds?


my attitude is someone who finds this entire situation almost tragically comic

What makes you say that?

based on what?

Here's the thing. From what I understand on this forum you have some standards predetermined. In terms of speed you have already determined Bleach>One Piece>Naruto

But this is not true for every forum. How this scale is made is not very clear, not here and not on other forums either. But if it was, I am sure there would be many mistakes and controversial parts.

Here is what I mean.

On one forum it is very clear and majority agrees that Naruto's speed exceeds that of Burter.

I hope you will agree that is absurd. I think it is.

But if on their forum no one notices mistake as huge as that (and it's not like 100% are stupid), how can you know that we aren't making a mistake as well?

Naruto has the slowest characters out of the HsT... now bleach seems to be edging out OP in speed

See above.


good posters like Uchiha Sora tried that in that thread, you did not listen

I know. He did well. After I returned I even noticed he sent me PM to explain it further.

But he mostly countered why entire OnePieceverse couldn't be soloed, which I admit at the time was more actual than Madara vs Whitebeard.


the fastest characters going by feats in the NU would be Gai and Naruto and the Raikages.. going by calcs it'd probably be a few more there

going by feats Soul society arc Yamamoto and Yuiroichi still crap on their best feats much less monsters like Silvers who can react to Kizaru or the sword masters like Dracule or Shanks

In my opinion, considering he fights against five Kage and is still winning, Madara should on the list of the fastest ones in Narutoverse.

Sometimes it is said Kizaru during combat is as fast as light. But I don't agree. On top of that, that would also mean every single logia character can fight as fast as their element moves in nature.


and if you feel that guys attitude was BS knock him down a peg, the civility rules that govern the BG's do allow you to defend yourself as long as you don't straddle the fence too far into flaming

we take a very harsh stance on bullying, instead of running you should have just held your ground

Thank you, I will remember your advice.


I have seen nothing yet

I hope you will.


if you can't see the problem with the way you are acting then and the difference between yourself and say Megabut who recently essentially wiped out the entirety of the BG staff in one moment of moronic white knighting..and why despite that the guy isn't receiving half the flak you are then I don't know what to say

there are ways to approach things..walking in here like you're Jesus Christ fused with Joan of Arc is not one of them

I didn't completely understand what you tried to say. I really didn't. I am tired so maybe I can't think that much or maybe I just have my dumb moments.

So I will just ask whether you meant that my thoughts are not taken seriously and that in order to prove I am honest, I should have approach Megabbaut has?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

This is an official forum. It has its standards. OBD is full of flaming, insulting and trolling. Also their debates lack something... I can't really describe. But we want to be better than OBD. Polite, understanding, nice, intelligent, skilled, successful, opened for everyone, fair, perseverant and not be fakers.[


The OBD is like any other major league verses forum it does not impose tolerance and niceness in the form of rules designed to protect every one who thinks Sasuke can mind rape magneto..

I see no reason not do the same thing


I am not saying I support trolling. But claiming someone would win and providing reasons other do not find convincing is not trolling.


my understanding from those who witnessed it is that you did not properly mount an argument

Well I am here for around two years and in terms of debating I didn't do that much. Does this mean that in future, I won't be more beneficial for Battlegrounds?

that depends entirely on how you conduct yourself


What makes you say that?


because you don't see me acting this indignant with just anyone

Here's the thing. From what I understand on this forum you have some standards predetermined. In terms of speed you have already determined Bleach>One Piece>Naruto

mm not especially no, it varies based on the individual characters and feats


On one forum it is very clear and majority agrees that Naruto's speed exceeds that of Burter.

I hope you will agree that is absurd. I think it is.

I would certainly hope we could both agree to that

But if on their forum no one notices mistake as huge as that (and it's not like 100% are stupid), how can you know that we aren't making a mistake as well?



because that's painfully obvious? Your dealing with someone who crosses thousands of miles in mere moments..flying verses someone who takes days to make a quarter of that travel time


I know. He did well. After I returned I even noticed he sent me PM to explain it further.

But he mostly countered why entire OnePieceverse couldn't be soloed, which I admit at the time was more actual than Madara vs Whitebeard.


and I'm not particularly sure what Madara can do to white beard considering the guy has anti mind rape defenses and the offensive might to pulverize him

he'd have to be very fast indeed to get one good mind rape off before being pulped



In my opinion, considering he fights against five Kage and is still winning, Madara should on the list of the fastest ones in Narutoverse.


He also got speed blitzed By Gaaras sand..and Narutos rasengan something the third and fourth raikage wouldn't have been..

mind you..Madara seemed more interested in continuously blabbering about how much of a god he is and how awesome he is and the like rather than actual fighting

so getting a proper gauge on someone who's nearly enfeebled mentally due to his own arrogance is very hard..but based on what we saw


Sometimes it is said Kizaru during combat is as fast as light. But I don't agree. On top of that, that would also mean every single logia character can fight as fast as their element moves in nature.

I spent the bulk of 2008 debating against that..I remember those days we agree completely on that being bs


I didn't completely understand what you tried to say. I really didn't. I am tired so maybe I can't think that much or maybe I just have my dumb moments.

So I will just ask whether you meant that my thoughts are not taken seriously and that in order to prove I am honest, I should have approach Megabbaut has?

I'm saying the way you presented yourself as some savior crusading to deliver the common BG'er from my Tyranny..made you very off putting to a great many of your peers including one who doesn't really like me all that much

you were made out as some..worse evil or hilarious troll

perception is kinda important and all

[Nigoyukai]

Now that the OP is back and debating here, this thread is pretty useless now eh? Should it be deleted or locked? (as doing so will prevent or at least cut the shitstorm that's brewing right now)

[Cult of Personality]

Left open so he can be derided for his stupidity.

[Frost ninja]

Naruto is faster than OP?
Pardon me while I giggle a bit.

[Kakashi Demon]

The OBD is like any other major league verses forum it does not impose tolerance and niceness in the form

of rules designed to protect every one who thinks Sasuke can mind rape magneto..

I see no reason not do the same thing

People who come here are mostly those who watch or read Naruto. They may have seen other series, maybe not.

Also, Superman, Magneto, Spiderman,... In my opinion, most of people think of their movie version. Perhaps they don't even know of other

versions. And from my experience movie version is in 90% times weaker than the other versions. So, it is not even slightest surprising they say

Sasuke beats Magneto. But they are not trolling. They just don't have knowledge.

And even if they do, they may not want to look at the things from the same perspective like OBD. Maybe they have no interest to compare series

through such way. They might compare abilities and avoid arguments such as speedblitz.

But our obligation still is to remain nice even if someone thinks Martin Luther King is starter of Protestantism.


my understanding from those who witnessed it is that you did not properly mount an argument

Maybe. But I did not find much resistance in claims that Madara beats Whitebeard. I think most agreed. But majority opposed that Madara cannot

beat OnePieceverse as a whole. With explanation Uchiha Sora provived, I'd have to say I agree. Either way, I will try to present arguments more

thoroughly.

that depends entirely on how you conduct yourself

I will try to conduct my self as good as possible.

because you don't see me acting this indignant with just anyone

I guess went overboard with some complaints. But I truly didn't try to be a white knight.

mm not especially no, it varies based on the individual characters and feats

Alright then.

I would certainly hope we could both agree to that

Oh, yes we do! I might be wrong at some things sometimes but I am not stupid.

because that's painfully obvious? Your dealing with someone who crosses thousands of miles in mere

moments..flying verses someone who takes days to make a quarter of that travel time

Yes, when we talk about Burter. But this is a huge mistake. I meant, how do we know that we don't do less drastic mistakes?

Just as a reference, Pain vs Minato, Jiraiya vs Itachi, Minato vs Itachi and many others. Once first one wins, then the other and so on. And they

all died long ago. This all on a single forum, not to mention on different forums different one wins often.


and I'm not particularly sure what Madara can do to white beard considering the guy has anti mind rape

defenses and the offensive might to pulverize him

he'd have to be very fast indeed to get one good mind rape off before being pulped

What do you mean by anti mind rape? Haki or something else I overlooked. If you mean Haki I think it is very arguable.

If we go by energy equalization ordinary genjutsu should not be a problem, however, Mangekyo sharingan genjutsu was never broken without help or

another one with sharingan. I might be wrong though.

He also got speed blitzed By Gaaras sand..and Narutos rasengan something the third and fourth raikage

wouldn't have been..

mind you..Madara seemed more interested in continuously blabbering about how much of a god he is and how awesome he is and the like rather than

actual fighting

so getting a proper gauge on someone who's nearly enfeebled mentally due to his own arrogance is very hard..but based on what we saw

Well he still managed to "survive".

Yes, Madara is arrogant. He talks a lot. And as I said, he is not one of my favorite characters.

But his blabbering is his testimony to strength. This guy keeps talking, true, but while fighting 5 Kage. And he is winning.

Two of these Kage are strong if they fought one on one. And the other three are more mediocre but they can fight. And fighting all five together

is a great feat, I think.

I know his arrogance will be his downfall. Kage will seal him or something. But the only reason they still live is PnJ.


I spent the bulk of 2008 debating against that..I remember those days we agree completely on that being bs



I'm glad we agree.


I'm saying the way you presented yourself as some savior crusading to deliver the common BG'er from my

Tyranny..made you very off putting to a great many of your peers including one who doesn't really like me all that much

you were made out as some..worse evil or hilarious troll

perception is kinda important and all

Like I said. I am not trying to be a white knight. I just support everyone to voice their opinion. And I know you try your best. But to debate

you have to have some sort of opinion. Whether wrong or right.

If one is mistaken or didn't give good arguments, he should be corrected and shown other perspectives but not be attacked. There is no need for

insults. That is what bothered me the most in this section since I joined.

This place has many rules. You can't show scans and such. So we have to be better at other things, even more important ones.

Let say some genius finds a way to prove Sasuke can defeat Superman. It is extreme and we all know he can't... But let say there is a way and we

are all just unable to comprehend it. And if this guy can prove it, we should let him explain. That is also why we shouldn't think he is a troll.

No, I am not saying I am genius or that you can't comprehend. This was just an extreme example to show what I mean and it has nothing to do with

Madara vs Whitebeard or other posts I made.