Alduin vs. Saphira

[9tail]

Two dragons; Alduin (Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim) vs. Saphira (The end of the final book in the Inheritance cycle)

Location: Flat lands near Whiterun

Stipulations:
Saphira does not use special "dragon magic"
Saphira does not have her rider

Alduin can use his astroid shout, but it can also affect him (not sure if this is the case in the game)
Alduin cannot revive other dragons
(assume Alduin at hardest difficulty)

No sort of help is coming. No armies, no city guards coming to fight, no Dovahkiin (even though they'd kill both xD)

Let the battle begin.

[RasenganMaster21]

I would say that Saphira would win.

[Cult of Personality]

Saphira kills herself for sucking so much.

[Fan of Minato]

Wasn't Alduin the world eater? Also, Alduin can't be killed by anyone, except the dragonborn, right? I doubt Saphira could win this.

[BoxHead]

Alduin uses Ven Mul Riik, covers everything in fog, and lolstomps with his badassery. That and he's invincible unless facing the Dovahkiin.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Saphira isn't even a fraction of this guys size right?

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

The famed World-Eater who can only be harmed by one man in existence against some random blue dragon who's several times smaller than him and possesses a severe disadvantage in every conceivable way? Yup, it's gonna be a toughie.

[Devils Lawyer]

Saphira is more powerful magically.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Really? More powerful than summoning asteroids and changing the weather?

[Noctis Arashi]

On top of the countless other dragon words that alduin undoubtedly knows.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

And reviving hundreds of other dragons that have been dead for thousands of years. Not to mention being able to travel between alternate worlds/dimensions, slow down time, etc etc.

There's also the 'kill-once-speaking-in-dragon-tongue' issue. Just by uttering a single word, the Greybeards could kill a person. Even after the Dragonborn had learned the dragon language, speaking to them causes for the room to shake and motion sickness. Imagine how much larger on a scale Alduin could cause, who is inconceivably much more powerful than his human peers.

[Noctis Arashi]

Alduin tells saphira how badly she sucks and her head explodes.

[Devils Lawyer]

Ok the fact those attacks were all flashy and had little to no power behind them just supports my statement Saphira is more powerful magically. Those attacks are weak and mainly game mechanics. Saphira is more simplistic yes. But alas she could just mind rape and drain his energy before he says a word.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

I don't see how 'instantly-die-with-one-word' is flashy or have little power to it.

Same goes to the weather changes and or meteor/asteroid summons.

Hah no.

[Devils Lawyer]

Speed of thought> speaking a word. Sodium would end up thinking it's a kitten after he gets mind raped. Besides I am pretty sure anyone with a copy of skyrim had killed him with less.:lol:

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

The amount of time it would require for Saphira to link up to Alduin's mind, decipher the foreign dragon language, make her way pass the mental defenses, and magically mindrape him < the amount of time it would take for Alduin to mumble one word.

Health bar mechanics is an unfair portrayal of a character's durability, and you know it. Hence why Cloud still somehow manages to survive a meteor that smashed through the entire solar system while only taking minor damage.

[Devils Lawyer]

First what.mental fortitude last time I checked skyrim doesn't even have a character capable of telepathy let alone defend against it. Next said mindrape doesn't need a language requirement just a mind wipe. Then their is the fact she can also take his life energy unless he has a defense against it.

Next I.wasn't referring to nothing weak like the health bar. I am referring to the level attacks that were harming him. Let's face it the.crap we threw at it wasn't really impressive. At least not for a multiverse fight. Alduin didn't tank anything noteworthy.

[BMC1994]

First what.mental fortitude last time I checked skyrim doesn't even have a character capable of telepathy let alone defend against it. Next said mindrape doesn't need a language requirement just a mind wipe. Then their is the fact she can also take his life energy unless he has a defense against it.

Next I.wasn't referring to nothing weak like the health bar. I am referring to the level attacks that were harming him. Let's face it the.crap we threw at it wasn't really impressive. At least not for a multiverse fight. Alduin didn't tank anything noteworthy.

I do not know anything of this saphira or her/his abilities but i do know a bit about alduin. Skyrim has its equivalent of telepathy and mindrape in the Illusion and Alteration skill trees and all dragons in skyrim are(or seem to be) immune to Illusion spells. So Alduin does have a certain resistance against Mindrape.

Alduin Did Survive getting thrown back in time or something along those lines.
And the game says multiple Times Alduin is a immortal who only can be killed by the dragonborn.

Idk what class you played. But Alduin tanked my two Atronachs and My lightning storm spells And Incinerate/Fireball spells pretty well :P.

[Devils Lawyer]

I do not know anything of this saphira or her/his abilities but i do know a bit about alduin. Skyrim has its equivalent of telepathy and mindrape in the Illusion and Alteration skill trees and all dragons in skyrim are(or seem to be) immune to Illusion spells. So Alduin does have a certain resistance against Mindrape.

Alduin Did Survive getting thrown back in time or something along those lines.
And the game says multiple Times Alduin is a immortal who only can be killed by the dragonborn.

Idk what class you played. But Alduin tanked my two Atronachs and My lightning storm spells And Incinerate/Fireball spells pretty well :P.

When you think of saphira power think professor x. As in hijackinyour body and completely controlling you mind and body. All mental resistance is not the same. Just like how all mental capabilities aren't the same.

Getting thrown through time when your immortal does what. Most dragons in fiction in general only get stronger over time not weaker. Being immortal is no big deal when it comes to them. The dragonborn thing would fall into no limits fallacy category.

Lol I was a redguard and raped him with just my sword. Someone should have called animal rights.

[Leo the Night Man]

*set difficulty to novice, kill alduin, feel pro*'

Alduin...just...yeah it's over for Saphira.

But this guy could take down both of them.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc293/babybamaangel/deathwing_.jpg

Then if you really want to go with magic, Saphira dies in three seconds flat:
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/080/c/b/cb8f781678dd9f7c408a8d7be2054480.jpg

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Leo post here more often.. you have a brain we need that

[Devils Lawyer]

You individuals underestimate the power to mind eff you and take your life with no physical effort. Their is hardly any dragons with such mental capabilities. Though there
are dragons straight up immune to magic in general. Like the one that appears in most merlin mythology. He rapes the majority because of his abilities in magic. What good is size and flashy powers when your opponent can just make you his biatch casually in the mind. Thus this thread has inspired me.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

When you think of saphira power think professor x. As in hijackinyour body and completely controlling you mind and body. All mental resistance is not the same. Just like how all mental capabilities aren't the same.

Getting thrown through time when your immortal does what. Most dragons in fiction in general only get stronger over time not weaker. Being immortal is no big deal when it comes to them. The dragonborn thing would fall into no limits fallacy category.

Lol I was a redguard and raped him with just my sword. Someone should have called animal rights.

You're making ludicrous comparisons. Saphira and Professor X may have the same telepathic abilities, but power wise, they're leagues apart. It's like saying that Edward Cullen power is the same as Dio Brando or Alucard's.

Too bad Saphira isn't. In fact, no dragon in the Inheritance Cycle is. Only Alduin is.

Funny how you deem anything that nulls your argument as 'no limits fallacy' yet you're using one right now. Anyone could play in Novice and streamline past the entire game. On the other hand, someone could play on Master and get raped sideways by crabs on the beach shoreline. Again, health bar mechanics.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Alduin Did Survive getting thrown back in time or something along those lines.
And the game says multiple Times Alduin is a immortal who only can be killed by the dragonborn.

It was more along the lines of getting lost in time and space. Basically, he keeps appearing and disappearing at different parts in time and or different dimensions/worlds. The elder scroll that was used to supposedly "defeat" him can warp reality to some extent.

[BoxHead]

Alduin's shouts seen in the game are Fire Breath, Frost Breath, Unrelenting Force, Conjure Mist (unofficial name), and Meteor Storm (unofficial name). All of these along with ability to survive being thrown apart in space-time mindforks, leaves Alduin with a lot of feats.

[Devils Lawyer]

You're making ludicrous comparisons. Saphira and Professor X may have the same telepathic abilities, but power wise, they're leagues apart. It's like saying that Edward Cullen power is the same as Dio Brando or Alucard's.

Too bad Saphira isn't. In fact, no dragon in the Inheritance Cycle is. Only Alduin is.

Funny how you deem anything that nulls your argument as 'no limits fallacy' yet you're using one right now. Anyone could play in Novice and streamline past the entire game. On the other hand, someone could play on Master and get raped sideways by crabs on the beach shoreline. Again, health bar mechanics.

The power to search thousands of minds with little to no effort. The power to wage war with individuals of the same level. Sounds like Xavier to me. The comparison is not off just you not understanding how powerful of a telepath she is.

No she is not immortal just extreme longevity. Which is essentially the same thing. Does it really matter . Tanking being carried through time is not really a feat. Not unless it was an attack meant to kill.

So you are saying the Dragonborn is the only thing that can kill Alduin. So if we put Alduin in a match against Law from op for instance he would win? So if I was to put it against Toriko it would win. So if I put hi against Guts from Beserk he would win? So if I put him against konohamaru he would win?:lol:

Also what no limitation fallacy did I use. My point is straight laced. Saphira is a telepath. Skyrim has no telepaths. Closest thing is illusion tanking. Weak illusion that makes Vegas magician look good. Yet that suppose to make for a barrier.

[Leo the Night Man]

Leo post here more often.. you have a brain we need that

Thanks brah (assuming you're not being sarcastic).

To those that didn't know the second dragon, that's Malygos the Spellweaver. Occupation: Controlling magic. Blizzard says get at me.

And actually, Skyrim does. The Night Mother speaks to you telepathically. > u >

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Not sarcasm at all, the one thing I absolutely want on this forum is newbs who know a wide range of topics..and can post coherently

you fit the bill so far

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

The power to search thousands of minds with little to no effort. The power to wage war with individuals of the same level. Sounds like Xavier to me. The comparison is not off just you not understanding how powerful of a telepath she is.

No she is not immortal just extreme longevity. Which is essentially the same thing. Does it really matter . Tanking being carried through time is not really a feat. Not unless it was an attack meant to kill.

So you are saying the Dragonborn is the only thing that can kill Alduin. So if we put Alduin in a match against Law from op for instance he would win? So if I was to put it against Toriko it would win. So if I put hi against Guts from Beserk he would win? So if I put him against konohamaru he would win?:lol:

Also what no limitation fallacy did I use. My point is straight laced. Saphira is a telepath. Skyrim has no telepaths. Closest thing is illusion tanking. Weak illusion that makes Vegas magician look good. Yet that suppose to make for a barrier.

Xavier = Saphira? Hell no. Give me one single instance in the entire series where Saphira has been able to orchestrate a telepathic assault on the scale of Xavier's. Just one.

You give the Inheritance Cycle too much credit. More specifically, you give Saphira too much credit. Even within the series, she isn't considered impressive. In Eragon, she couldn't even break through the Twins' mental shields. In Eldest, Saphira and Eragon together had trouble mindraping enemy magicians at the Battle of the Burning Plains. Again with her mentor and Galbatorix. Not to mention that according to powerscale, the Forsworn would dwarf her by miles.

Are you just purposely trolling here?

For the third time. Health bar mechanic. You haven't addressed that point.

The Night Mother. The Daedric Lords. The Wolf Queen. Possibly some of the dragons.


And actually, Skyrim does. The Night Mother speaks to you telepathically. > u >

If I recall correctly, most of the Daedric Lords speak to you telepathically. The rest either teleports you to an otherworldly dimension for tea, or to mix things up sometimes, lure you into a haunted house, trap you, and then speak to you telepathically.

As a special mention, another telepathic is the Wolf Queen.

[Devils Lawyer]

Xavier = Saphira? Hell no. Give me one single instance in the entire series where Saphira has been able to orchestrate a telepathic assault on the scale of Xavier's. Just one.

You give the Inheritance Cycle too much credit. More specifically, you give Saphira too much credit. Even within the series, she isn't considered impressive. In Eragon, she couldn't even break through the Twins' mental shields. In Eldest, Saphira and Eragon together had trouble mindraping enemy magicians at the Battle of the Burning Plains. Again with her mentor and Galbatorix. Not to mention that according to powerscale, the Forsworn would dwarf her by miles.

Are you just purposely trolling here?

For the third time. Health bar mechanic. You haven't addressed that point.

The Night Mother. The Daedric Lords. The Wolf Queen. Possibly some of the dragons.



If I recall correctly, most of the Daedric Lords speak to you telepathically. The rest either teleports you to an otherworldly dimension for tea, or to mix things up sometimes, lure you into a haunted house, trap you, and then speak to you telepathically.

As a special mention, another telepathic is the Wolf Queen.
What are you talking about 75% of their fights involved mindbreaking. The fact she and Dragon were capable of reading all the minds of an entire army is proof enough of her power Only a handful of telepaths in marvel can do that. Most of them are beings just as powerful as Xavier if not more. Then when we get into fiction outside of comics the number drops more.

Next you listed incidents that happened when they barely even learned how to fight. Considering they were eat more powerful by the end of the series that makes everything you said irrelevant. But I will disprove it anyways. First off Eragons brother was more powerful than any of the forsworn thay makes that statement wrong . Especially since you know her and Eragon won. Next up you compared her with the most powerful telepath in the series wow. So yeah good job proving she is a weak telepath. She can read the minds of every living creature in her range. Considering they had the range of an entire kingdom that is impressive. Galbotorix could do the entire continent they lived in.

Calling someone a troll last ditch effort. Nope its just that you are bias just like every other person who said Alduin.

Health bar mechanics sounds like an escuse . Name an actual mental or you know stopping my life from being drained feat. Then I can even say Saphira fire is more powerful. Considering it could melt an asteroid minerals down casually.

Good job on finding some telepaths. Now find proof of them being more powerful. After that you have to prove Alduin has the same abilities and is more powerful. Without those facts your arguements is hollow and a straight opinion.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

DL, DL Saphira can't even compare to a mid level marvel teep much less Charles

You're talking about someone who boinks his girl across hundreds of millions of lightyears in real time..

Saphira aint touching that level she's a gnat

[Devils Lawyer]

Saphira is easily mid level. Xavier is just an example and obviouslly more powerful. Most telepaths in marvel don't even come close to that level. Most stay around Saphira range. Even then most would get overwhelmed trying to read in the thousands. The ones beyond that are usually monsters that would make Alduin and Saphira their pets. Not only that I can take her abilities a step further. Her and Eragon were trained to read all life forms in their ranged which is dece nt. That includes insect. Do you know how many minds that is. Their is hardly any telepaths in marvel powerful enough to do that below Xavier. Don't let your dislike for the series blind you.

[Leo the Night Man]

Not sarcasm at all, the one thing I absolutely want on this forum is newbs who know a wide range of topics..and can post coherently

you fit the bill so far

Then once again. Thanks brah *holds up bro fist*

For the telepaths in Marvel I'm pretty sure Dr. Strange can work himself up some craziness. That and Pheonix is obviously a strong enough telepath seeing as how Charles couldn't make contact with her (not the movies). Also, about your thing on them being able to read the minds of an entire army can't go without understanding that thing called mental fortitude. Of course she'd be able to read the minds of a bunch of grunts who aren't worth their salt. Trying to apply that to Alduin is a bit of a stretch.

[Devils Lawyer]

Then once again. Thanks brah *holds up bro fist*

For the telepaths in Marvel I'm pretty sure Dr. Strange can work himself up some craziness. That and Pheonix is obviously a strong enough telepath seeing as how Charles couldn't make contact with her (not the movies). Also, about your thing on them being able to read the minds of an entire army can't go without understanding that thing called mental fortitude. Of course she'd be able to read the minds of a bunch of grunts who aren't worth their salt. Trying to apply that to Alduin is a bit of a stretch.

Why would it be a stretch he has no known mental fortitude. Just because he is a boss on a game doesn't mean he automatically has high end mental capabilities. Doesn't matter how powerful you are physically. Before a telepath that power is meaningless. Next up once again I bring up the point that the majority of their fights involve mindbreaking. So saying they can just read grunts is a no.

[shinigan no sora]

Saphira gets sliced in half by alduin

Oh and if anyone thinks these two are powerful dragons your sorely mistaken. Try vrail of the silver wing from out heart. Multi continent mental fortitude and was eating "gods" that were world breakers

Then theirs Aesheol(same continuity) who was noted for conquring dimensions in his sleep and nearly destroying the entire Ileantean mage guild which consited of about seven hundred xavier level telepaths and wizards

[Devils Lawyer]

What is out heart? Google doesn't even know.:lol:

[shinigan no sora]

Its a sci-fi/fantasy epic. Written by one of my old highschool teachers and was self published so its not very well known and he died a couple years ago so its unlikely that many will read it but it was kind of. Of like a song of ice and fire mixed with bastard!! And a future setting