Mei vs. Sasuke

[Kuromaki]

Sasuke is in his Hebi version, meaning he's restricted to the powers he had up until his fight with Itachi.

Manda cannot be summoned.

Place is where Sasuke fought Deidara, distance is 100m

[king kakashi]

i give it to sasuke but only because at that moment sasuke was still overloaded with feats that give him the win


edit:can he use Kirin

[Kuromaki]

Sasuke had to spread Itachi's Amaterasu over a large part of the nearby forest and then use 2 dragon katons just to get the conditions right for the atmosphere.
Mei's suiton could extinguish Madara's highly superior katon so if Sasuke goes around suspiciously setting the forest on fire I believe she would hit him with a water dragon. Also, Kirin is a last resort, how I see the battle going is Sasuke would try to get up close.

[king kakashi]

Sasuke had to spread Itachi's Amaterasu over a large part of the nearby forest and then use 2 dragon katons just to get the conditions right for the atmosphere.
Mei's suiton could extinguish Madara's highly superior katon so if Sasuke goes around suspiciously setting the forest on fire I believe she would hit him with a water dragon. Also, Kirin is a last resort, how I see the battle going is Sasuke would try to get up close.
he can use her lava to heat up the air just as well as using itachi's ammy

then he can shoot the fire ball straight into the air avoid the middle man

[Kuromaki]

I'd like to see him actually try to prepare Kirin while trying to avoid her lava, acid mist, hidden mist, and water dragon.

[Uchiha Sora]

@King kakashi Her lava isn't nearly enough to help with Kirin. You do realize Ammy was burning the entire forest, right? A few globs of lava can't match that.

[king kakashi]

lava is super hot so hot that is melts metal and can create land bridges
plus hecan use his fire release to make it even hotter

[Uchiha Sora]

Lava makes bridges because it is molten rock that eventually solidifies.

A little glob of lava won't affect the atmosphere the same way an entire burning forest will.

[king kakashi]

Lava makes bridges because it is molten rock that eventually solidifies.

A little glob of lava won't affect the atmosphere the same way an entire burning forest will.
it has to retain heat from bieng pushed up from underwater volcano's long enough to rech the surface
and several little globs would

[Larry01239]

Don't see how hebi Sasuke could possibly win this one.

[king kakashi]

not without kirin

[Vivi]

Lava = Fire and Earth.

Lightning>Earth thus it should be nullfied just as it did with Deidara as his Bakuton contains Earth Type and just how Chidori Stream shredded Yamato's wood as it also contains Earth.

And he does have knowledge on her elements.
Water,Earth,Fire.
Sasuke is a douche but no idiot to figure out what Lava is or which elements it uses.

[Kuromaki]

Lava cools, it'll cool even faster with a water type user around... If Sasuke uses his fire to heat it up Mei can easily use a water dragon to extinguish it.
Lava = Fire and Earth.

Lightning>Earth thus it should be nullfied just as it did with Deidara as his Bakuton contains Earth Type and just how Chidori Stream shredded Yamato's wood as it also contains Earth.

And he does have knowledge on her elements.
Water,Earth,Fire.
Sasuke is a douche but no idiot to figure out what Lava is or which elements it uses.
Makes me wonder why he didn't do anything about it the first time he saw it.

[king kakashi]

sasuke was running out of chakra at that time

mei has no knowledge of kirin why would she waste chakra on putting out her own lava

[Vivi]

Makes me wonder why he didn't do anything about it the first time he saw it.

Because he fought the Raikage.
Got in a skirmish with the Sand Siblings and Darui.
Took a heavy hit from Chojuuro.
Spammed MS.

Even then, right after Mei told Sasuke her natures she used Boil Release followed by Zetsu weirdness.

The guy was majorly drained.Hence if it wasn't for Tobi, Onoki would have surely killed him.

[JLI2infinity]

^I agree with King Kakashi I don't think Mei would go around randomly putting out her own technique especially when she feels that cornering Sasuke works to her advantage because of her fighting style which she demonstrated at the Kage Summit. It should be fairly easy for Sasuke to get her to light the forest up for him with burning hot lava. On top of that, if this is Hebi Sasuke at his peak then he hasn't suffered damage from Deidara's explosion yet, which means he can fly another big advantage against Mei. Of course the only problem with flying would be he'd have to figure out a way to hurt her from long distance and Mei's water techniques are far superior to Sasuke's fire ones probably even his Great Dragon Flames.

BUT In a lot of Sasuke threads people forget to mention he is almost a genjutsu master. He fought on equal footing with Itachi in a genjutsu match, and Itachi pwned Kurenai who was Konoha's genjutsu specialist. The only reasons his genjutsu haven't been effective is because he's fought extremely high level opponents...Deidara who probably would've lost to Sasuke's genjutsu if he hadn't fought Itachi in the past and trained himself against it, Bee who is immune to almost all genjutsu thanks to Gyuki, and Danzo who had decades of battle experience and used a genjutsu technique far more complicated than Sasuke's.

Of course Mei could use Hidden Mist to nullify the genjutsu but what confuses me about that is Mei never showed any sensing abilities or plain old enhanced senses. I don't understand how she planned on tracking Madara when she used Hidden Mist in that battle, so until she somehow demonstrates an ability to keep track of an opponent in those circumstances she runs into the same problem with Sasuke.

Moreover, Mei hasn't really shown any defensive ninjutsu and Sasuke is also a pretty good marksman with seals for summoning shuriken quickly in combat if he catches her in her blindspots I don't see how she can defend, I'm pretty sure that's the reason why she was the first one to get smacked down against Madara's clones. Then there's the problem of summons. Sasuke can use snake hands and also summon Manda. She can definitely melt the snake hands with the acid mist like she started doing with the Zetsu spores but if she times her lava attacks wrong Manda can shed and then appear behind her from underground and crush her.

Hebi Sasuke basically beat Deidara by plot no jutsu but even if Kishi didn't give Sasuke plot armor the fight would've been a stalemate because Deidara was already blowing himself up. Those two were essentially equal and I can't see Mei defeating Deidara either.

This may all be because of Kishi's writing (his female characters do tend to end up on the low end of things) or simply because Sasuke is a main character and receives so much attention but he seems to have too many abilities here for Mei to overcome, at least with our limited knowledge of what she can do.

[Kuromaki]

sasuke was running out of chakra at that time

mei has no knowledge of kirin why would she waste chakra on putting out her own lava
she will if sasuke fires attacks in her direction

Mei's lava cools really quickly - she managed to make a completely sealed wall out of her lava at the Summit, so it doesn't constantly release heat, unlike Amaterasu. Furthermore, I'd like to direct you to chapter 390 page 7, 391 page 5 , there's a lot of ammy, and fire catches quickly too, unlike lava.

And like I said how does he even have time to prep Kirin while continuously dodging lava? Mei's lava even gave Madara some trouble because of the fact that there was so much of it, so the Sauce will be preoccupied with not getting melted to death while trying to get in some hits of his own,
Because he fought the Raikage.
Got in a skirmish with the Sand Siblings and Darui.
Took a heavy hit from Chojuuro.
Spammed MS.

Even then, right after Mei told Sasuke her natures she used Boil Release followed by Zetsu weirdness.

The guy was majorly drained.Hence if it wasn't for Tobi, Onoki would have surely killed him.
Sasuke got his ass beat by Danzo but he still managed to do Chidori variants... he could have easily used chidori spear on the sealed "wall" Mei made to escape.

also just for the sake of argument. Lava element is a whole new element as opposed to just being doton. Sasuke could have shredded through Yamato's wood element just because his Jutsu was stronger, not necessarily because it's part doton. Plus, Deidara's bombs were actually made of earth.

Of course Mei could use Hidden Mist to nullify the genjutsu but what confuses me about that is Mei never showed any sensing abilities or plain old enhanced senses. I don't understand how she planned on tracking Madara when she used Hidden Mist in that battle, so until she somehow demonstrates an ability to keep track of an opponent in those circumstances she runs into the same problem with Sasuke.

Why would she use the technique against Madara if it didn't help her or her allies? She's the Mizukage, master of water jutsu, lives in a village where it's misty all day every day... I would expect someone like her to know how to manage her own Jutsu.

Moreover, Mei hasn't really shown any defensive ninjutsu and Sasuke is also a pretty good marksman with seals for summoning shuriken quickly in combat if he catches her in her blindspots I don't see how she can defend, I'm pretty sure that's the reason why she was the first one to get smacked down against Madara's clones. Then there's the problem of summons. Sasuke can use snake hands and also summon Manda. She can definitely melt the snake hands with the acid mist like she started doing with the Zetsu spores but if she times her lava attacks wrong Manda can shed and then appear behind her from underground and crush her.Here's water wall being used defensively: chapter 461 page 2 and chapter 577 page 4... and if you go to the next page you will see that Mei's water is powerful enough to smack Susanoo Madara around.

That's why she would have to keep it a mid-long range battle if she wants to win, although she could just use acid mist if he gets close to her.

I banned Manda :P

Hebi Sasuke basically beat Deidara by plot no jutsu but even if Kishi didn't give Sasuke plot armor the fight would've been a stalemate because Deidara was already blowing himself up. Those two were essentially equal and I can't see Mei defeating Deidara either.Sasuke beat Deidara because he was just a bad match up given his Raiton.

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

This match could really go eithor way, Not to sure how Mei would block a chidori stream,on the other hand If sasuke gets hit by her acid mist then he is going to melt v2 curse seal or not. Sasuke has speed to avoid lava techniques, and all of his fire techniques are negated if not outright defeated by Mei's water techniques. Another aspect is Mei's mist justu which would counteract Sasuke's genjustu abilites, and prevent sasuke from using chidori on her.

From my observation this battle is preety much neutralized except for the fact that while Sasuke's attackes have a smaller aoe while Mei's have a larger span however Sasuke is probably faster so he has a higher chance of dodging+ Sharingan precog.

In the end, considering the open field setting I would say its a tie. Sasuke could win if he somehow preps Kirin but realistically thats not happening. This battle really depends on who hits each other with their killing techniques first, however that could really go Either way, while Sasuke could hit the Mizukage with his chidori varients, she could also use he acidic mist to melt Sasuke.

In conclusion, in a wide open field its a battle of atrition where sasuke has enough space to utilize his speed and he has chakra bonus of curse seal so I would give it to him. However, if the arena was smaller, say a building or a passageway, I would probably give it to Mei unless they are right next to each other, then Sasuke would chidori stream.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Mei wins. The only chance Sasuke has, is if he is fast enough to to dodge her attacks-but judging from the fact that current Sasuke got hit by Kabuto's water jutsu and Mei can use water jutsu on a much larger scale, I don't think Hebi Sasuke will be able to escape them.

[megabbaut]

Sasuke should win. Since this is his Hebi form, he has his snake powers obtained from when he absorbed Orochimaru. The snake shield he used against Deidara and Itachi should be able to protect him from any lava based attacks, since it blocked an explosion from two of Deidara's bombs. Fire Style could also cancel it out. Chidori Spear should give Sasuke the win, or his Sharingan genjutsu followed by a blitz.

[Vivi]

Sasuke got his ass beat by Danzo but he still managed to do Chidori variants... he could have easily used chidori spear on the sealed "wall" Mei made to escape.


Entirely different situation as Danzo was his sworn enemy and nowhere near as weakened as he was against Mei.
One look at Tobi rescueing him says it all.
Sasuke was out like a light.

[Kuromaki]

Instead of keeping up Susanoo, he could have used a simple chidori spear if he was smart.

Regardless, I don't think he can nullify the huge amount of lava Mei can spit out, assuming he could in the first place.

[king kakashi]

Instead of keeping up Susanoo, he could have used a simple chidori spear if he was smart.

Regardless, I don't think he can nullify the huge amount of lava Mei can spit out, assuming he could in the first place.
the more lava she spits out will heat the earth and prep kirin i mean they are in an open field with trees

[Kuromaki]

It's still going to cool down anyway lol since it cools quickly like I said in my other post, and with the sheer amount of lava to avoid he won't have much time to prep it.

[TheBlackChidori]

Sasuke had to spread Itachi's Amaterasu over a large part of the nearby forest and then use 2 dragon katons just to get the conditions right for the atmosphere.
Mei's suiton could extinguish Madara's highly superior katon so if Sasuke goes around suspiciously setting the forest on fire I believe she would hit him with a water dragon. Also, Kirin is a last resort, how I see the battle going is Sasuke would try to get up close.


What?

[Kuromaki]

chapter 577 page 4-5... is that not Mei's suiton extinguishing Madara's highly superior katon?

[king kakashi]

to be fare why do you think madara's katon is superior

[Kuromaki]

1. It's Madara's, that should speak for itself honestly

2. It's bigger (It took several water type users to extinguish just one of his katons, and it made his Susanoo and Tsunade look like ants in comparison)

[Black Azurite]

this is hard to say, i wanna say mei because of her elemental mixtures but sasuke has speed n smarts, id give this 1 a draw

[JLI2infinity]

I really think it comes down to how effectively Mei uses Acid Mist and Sasuke's genjutsu. Hidden Mist has to be one of the most useful techniques in the Narutoverse, but if she gets caught in an illusion early on it might not matter. She seems very knowledgeable of battle strategy so she might start off the fight avoiding doujutsu but people seem not to treat Sasuke's genjutsu as such a big threat like they do Itachi's. Most of the higher tier shinobi just confront Sasuke head to head and don't really worry about his eyes that much.

Like everyone's been kind of saying this is a fight that can go either way but this thread is really cool because I'd been so caught up in power scaling and looking at all the high end characters I stopped being impressed with the skill we've been witnessing. Over the last few chapters I've even been treating MS like it's common place. Hebi Sasuke is no push over, as a matter of fact he's probably a low S rank ninja that would cause almost any shinobi trouble. I remember realizing how powerful he was early in shippuden and I never noticed that Mei was his equal. Yet Madara's been treating someone that powerful like a joke. Madara is really awesome, I don't know why I've been ignoring that.

[Godaime Kazekage]

I really think it comes down to how effectively Mei uses Acid Mist and Sasuke's genjutsu. Hidden Mist has to be one of the most useful techniques in the Narutoverse, but if she gets caught in an illusion early on it might not matter. She seems very knowledgeable of battle strategy so she might start off the fight avoiding doujutsu but people seem not to treat Sasuke's genjutsu as such a big threat like they do Itachi's. Most of the higher tier shinobi just confront Sasuke head to head and don't really worry about his eyes that much.

Mei has suspicions that the 4th Mizukage was controlled by a Sharingan justsu-she'll put up Hidden Mist right away. On that subject-how does Sasuke find her in the mist? Or as I said earlier, what does he do about a large scale Suiton? Mei takes this.

[Larry01239]

Has Mei been shown using Hidden Mist in manga? Or are people just assuming she can use it?

[Godaime Kazekage]

Has Mei been shown using Hidden Mist in manga? Or are people just assuming she can use it?

Yeah, Chapter 563. Right before Onoki and A attack Madara.

[Cult of Personality]

Without Susanoo he's nothing.