Danzo vs Goku

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo vs Goku


both are in character

NO PREP nor KNOWLEDGE...( Danzo has the gauntlet thing off of his arm just so ppl know)


Battle takes place in Hawaii Distacne: 30ft away from each other and it starts on the beach


who wins and why

PLEASE VOTE ON POLL AND EXPLAIN WHY YOUR CHOICE WOULD WIN PLEASE

Thanks have fun and debate................wait for it.. NOW

[Wooster]

Pretty sure Goku kills Danzo before he can do anything.

[Frost ninja]

Pretty much. Koto is useless since Danzo dies far before he can activate it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo comes back to life with Izangi

[Rasengan SageX5]

Even if Danzo uses all of his Sharingan for Izanagi, he dies in a second every time he comes back to life. And even if he does manage to get an attack off, he wouldn't hurt Goku in the slightest.

[PrinceofPeace]

koto would finish Goku. after dying 8 times.


plus Goku talks a lot and likes to fight so he would want to witness Danzo's strongest attack

[shinigan no sora]

Goku feels sorry for the cripple and let's his wife do the work instead

IIRC goku is massively hypersonic attack and reactions while danzo is only in the supersonic range

So izanagi needs to be activated goku can kill danzo before he wastes an eye

However since you included CIS goku will probably give danzo a chance to use izanagi but he can only use izanagi what 10 11 times tops?

Also genjutsu is ineffective against DBZ characters even with energy equalization especially among its top teirs since they constantly raise and lower their KI levels(energy equal makes KI=CHAKRA) which acccording to NU explanation of how to break genjutsu would make it useless against that

There's also the fact that danzo doesn't have anything to even scratch goku's planet level durability and the fact that goku has planet busting high end attacks and country busting low ends

So let's break this down:

Speed advantage: GOKU

Durability advantage: GOKU

Destructive power advantage: GOKU

So yeah danzo has nothing to kill goku with and goku can break genjutsu casually and has low end attacks that can one shot danzo a hundred times over

With CIS on goku kills danzo by accident 10-11 times

[Frost ninja]

Danzo dies long before he can trigger Izanagi

[Wooster]

Danzo comes back to life with Izangi
You said no prep. Meaning Danzo's arm is still sealed. I took your entire OP into consideration. You should too :lol:

IF Danzo already has Izanagi active. He can live for ten minutes. In that time, Danzo certainly could use Koto.
Does Goku have any mind control breaking feats?

[Frost ninja]

Does Goku have any mind control breaking feats?


Does Danzo have any feats of tagging someone as fast as Goku?
Pretty sure you have to target someone to use Koto.

[shinigan no sora]

@wooster

Koto is GJ. GJs can be broken by changing your chakra level. Energy equalization makes chakra=ki. DBZ top teirs constantly fluctuate their ki levels.

Constant energy fluctuation+higher reaction speed= genjutsu fails

Of course this is assuming danzo could even tag goku with koto in the first place

[Wooster]

Does Danzo have any feats of tagging someone as fast as Goku?
Pretty sure you have to target someone to use Koto.
No evideince that you have to. Besides after Goku thinks he killed Danzo he wouldn't be moving fast anymore.
@wooster

Koto is GJ. GJs can be broken by changing your chakra level. Energy equalization makes chakra=ki. DBZ top teirs constantly fluctuate their ki levels.

Constant energy fluctuation+higher reaction speed= genjutsu fails

Of course this is assuming danzo could even tag goku with koto in the first place
Pretty irrelevant. The person under Koto does not know they are being controlled. Danzo would just not have Goku spike his ki. Instead, Goku would believe he is a foot stool.

Given Goku's limited mentally capacity, taking over his mind should not be hard.

[Frost ninja]

No evideince that you have to. Besides after Goku thinks he killed Danzo he wouldn't be moving fast anymore.



This is assuming Danzo doesn't outright die before he gets Izanagi off.
He throws Koto at Goku. Goku then laughs at the attempt and keeps killing him.

Above this, feats of Koto for Danzo, being he lacks the kekki and all?
I'd need some proofing to say he can control, because all I see is suggestion.

EDIT: argumentum ad ignorantiam? I Expected better than fallacies from you, Wooster.

[megabbaut]

Danzo's wind sword has a needle at the end of it. Goku is afraid of needles. Since this fight is in character, Goku will be afraid of Danzo's wind sword. Danzo stabs Goku with it. Goku dies.

[Frost ninja]

Danzo's wind sword has a needle at the end of it. Goku is afraid of needles. Since this fight is in character, Goku will be afraid of Danzo's wind sword. Danzo stabs Goku with it. Goku dies.

Proof me the existance of this needle.
And then proof me he can use it before dying.

[megabbaut]

Why does he have to use it before dying? After he dies, he uses Izanagi. After that, he stabs Goku with his sword.

[Wooster]

This is assuming Danzo doesn't outright die before he gets Izanagi off.
He throws Koto at Goku. Goku then laughs at the attempt and keeps killing him.

Above this, feats of Koto for Danzo, being he lacks the kekki and all?
I'd need some proofing to say he can control, because all I see is suggestion.Yes, that was my conditional statement. If Danzo can't make the handsings for Sasuke's arrow, he can't do it for Goku.

Prove that statement.

Well, to do that we start with what is true in Naruto. Koto works on EVERYONE. AND it doesn't not require line of sight. How do we know this? Because it was used on Mifune while the eye was covered under Danzo's bandage. The only other point we know is that removing the eye stops it, but probably pretty irrelevant in a one-on-one fight.

Next, referring back to Sora's point, chakra pulsing doesn't work on high level genjutsu. See Itachi's tsukoyomi and koto. So how do you defeat them? By just being smart, that's about how Sasuke beat Itachi's and Danzo beat Sasuke's tsukoyomi. Koto is apparently unbreakable.

But now we have the problem of mulitverse. We can't just say Koto works on everyone, that be stupid. But I find Ki=chakra rather unhelpful as that doesn't even seem the way to defeat it. Let's use intelligence instead starting with what it doesn't work on. Gods of course. The human mind is too simple to understand a god's mind. No way to control it. Let's say the same for demigods. In other words, Danzo isn't using Koto on Galictus nor Silver Surfer.
However, anyone with the standard human intelligence it would probably work, even up to genius class.

So, Danzo has Izanagi up, meets Goku, Goku blows him away, Goku sits there and laughs(note all DBZ characters do this, so this is not PIS), Danzo appears right in front of Guko eye-to-eye and uses Koto, and it works because Goku's mental capacity is only just above a turnip.
Now I am not saying a Goku spike wouldn't break it, but the key of Koto is the person under it doesn't know it. Danzo just doesn't let Goku spike his Ki.

All of this is irrelvant to this thread because the OP say no prep, but I think a thread discussing the limits of Koto across verses might be useful, but unnecessary now because I am right. :cool:

Edit: I only didn't tell you the reason. Doesn't mean I did not have a reason. See Mifune comment :p

[Frost ninja]

Why does he have to use it before dying? After he dies, he uses Izanagi. After that, he stabs Goku with his sword.

You have to trigger Izanagi before it can activate.
Goku has tanked mountain busting attacks like they were nothing, what makes you think the sword won't simply break on him? Or around him?

[Frost ninja]

Yes, that was my conditional statement. If Danzo can't make the handsings for Sasuke's arrow, he can't do it for Goku.

Prove that statement.

Well, to do that we start with what is true in Naruto. Koto works on EVERYONE. AND it doesn't not require line of sight. How do we know this? Because it was used on Mifune while the eye was covered under Danzo's bandage. The only other point we know is that removing the eye stops it, but probably pretty irrelevant in a one-on-one fight.

Doesn't require direct eye contact, but wheres the proofing its now a magical AoE that requires no aiming?

Next, referring back to Sora's point, chakra pulsing doesn't work on high level genjutsu. See Itachi's tsukoyomi and koto. So how do you defeat them? By just being smart, that's about how Sasuke beat Itachi's and Danzo beat Sasuke's tsukoyomi. Koto is apparently unbreakable.

"Apparently", but its broken by death iirc since mifune stopped being controlled after Danzo was killed.

But now we have the problem of mulitverse. We can't just say Koto works on everyone, that be stupid. But I find Ki=chakra rather unhelpful as that doesn't even seem the way to defeat it. Let's use intelligence instead starting with what it doesn't work on. Gods of course. The human mind is too simple to understand a god's mind. No way to control it. Let's say the same for demigods. In other words, Danzo isn't using Koto on Galictus nor Silver Surfer.

Agreeable.


However, anyone with the standard human intelligence it would probably work, even up to genius class.

Questionable.

So, Danzo has Izanagi up, meets Goku, Goku blows him away, Goku sits there and laughs(note all DBZ characters do this, so this is not PIS), Danzo appears right in front of Guko eye-to-eye and uses Koto, and it works because Goku's mental capacity is only just above a turnip.
Now I am not saying a Goku spike wouldn't break it, but the key of Koto is the person under it doesn't know it. Danzo just doesn't let Goku spike his Ki.

Danzo will have a hard time controlling Goku since he has no idea how the power system works, moreso that assuming he has Izanagi up and Goku isn't a mile in the sky or so, and Danzo appears and has enough time to process a thought before Goku punts him halfway to the moon...

Lets remove the possible and focus on the plausable. Could it work? If there were a severe slant factor, yes. But would it work? Not a chance.

All of this is irrelvant to this thread because the OP say no prep, but I think a thread discussing the limits of Koto across verses might be useful, but unnecessary now because I am right. :cool:

b:P Don't try fallacies on me. You have a long way to come.

[megabbaut]

Piercing =/= Busting

Goku was about to get impaled by the inside of a sharp cave (forgot what those things are called >.>) by Vegeta. A sword could possibly stab him.

[Wooster]

Yes, that was my conditional statement. If Danzo can't make the handsings for Sasuke's arrow, he can't do it for Goku.

Prove that statement.

Well, to do that we start with what is true in Naruto. Koto works on EVERYONE. AND it doesn't not require line of sight. How do we know this? Because it was used on Mifune while the eye was covered under Danzo's bandage. The only other point we know is that removing the eye stops it, but probably pretty irrelevant in a one-on-one fight.

Doesn't require direct eye contact, but wheres the proofing its now a magical AoE that requires no aiming?
No line of sight is no line sight. What is being aimed? Does it matter?

Next, referring back to Sora's point, chakra pulsing doesn't work on high level genjutsu. See Itachi's tsukoyomi and koto. So how do you defeat them? By just being smart, that's about how Sasuke beat Itachi's and Danzo beat Sasuke's tsukoyomi. Koto is apparently unbreakable.

"Apparently", but its broken by death iirc since mifune stopped being controlled after Danzo was killed.Izanagi means Danzo is living for ten minutes.

But now we have the problem of mulitverse. We can't just say Koto works on everyone, that be stupid. But I find Ki=chakra rather unhelpful as that doesn't even seem the way to defeat it. Let's use intelligence instead starting with what it doesn't work on. Gods of course. The human mind is too simple to understand a god's mind. No way to control it. Let's say the same for demigods. In other words, Danzo isn't using Koto on Galictus nor Silver Surfer.

Agreeable.


However, anyone with the standard human intelligence it would probably work, even up to genius class.

Questionable.
Why?
So, Danzo has Izanagi up, meets Goku, Goku blows him away, Goku sits there and laughs(note all DBZ characters do this, so this is not PIS), Danzo appears right in front of Guko eye-to-eye and uses Koto, and it works because Goku's mental capacity is only just above a turnip.
Now I am not saying a Goku spike wouldn't break it, but the key of Koto is the person under it doesn't know it. Danzo just doesn't let Goku spike his Ki.

Danzo will have a hard time controlling Goku since he has no idea how the power system works, moreso that assuming he has Izanagi up and Goku isn't a mile in the sky or so, and Danzo appears and has enough time to process a thought before Goku punts him halfway to the moon...
Read my explanation. Goku's mind is human-like and very simple. Easy for Danzo to control. Why would Goku be a mile up? He is laughing after killing Danzo 30 ft. away.
Goku is already under Koto at that point. Killing Danzo does nothing as he has Izanagi active.
Lets remove the possible and focus on the plausable. Could it work? If there were a severe slant factor, yes. But would it work? Not a chance.
You say that without any evidnce. For shame. I assume that means you concede I am right and are squirming for an answer. Accept the fact that Goku is an immebicle and is one of the easiest persons to control in all mulitverse.
All of this is irrelvant to this thread because the OP say no prep, but I think a thread discussing the limits of Koto across verses might be useful, but unnecessary now because I am right. :cool:

Orange.

You wouldn't even understand Category Fallacy. Your debating skills are limited. Aristole wouldn't even have you hold his robe.

[Frost ninja]

You make me laugh, Wooster.
Goku has reactions much faster than Danzo does, and I'm doubtful death-blipping would carry him the whole 30ft before Goku discovers that he isn't dying. Its never carried him more than 5 ft at the most.

Also, your premise is he has izanagi ready and somehow is capable of triggering koto despite lacking aim. So lets say this. Assume it doesn't need to be, per se, aimed. Why, then, of all people in the room, would it affect mifune? You'd think someone closer, parallel, or otherwise would be more likely affected.

Evidence? Goku has reacted to massively hypersonic+ people many times, so many I wouldn't need to provide evidence to conclude he could punt Danzo before Danzo could get koto off, even with izanagi blipping. Ki sensing would prevent any suprise attacks, and with the lack of proofing to koto's power.

So, Goku reacts to someone going mach 238 (low-end freiza), and we assume someone moving mach 2 will get the jump on him? Even with supreme CIS involved it wouldn't occur.

[Wooster]

Given the Sasuke battle, Danzo can appear within that range instantly. Meaning Goku is still laughing on his ass.

Why does a radio station only pick up one channel? It is tuned to that channel, not aimed :p You lack of understanding of physics kills you more than your inability to understand logical arguments :P

Yes, that why he kills Danzo, but that is not the point. The point is Goku doesn't expect Danzo not to die. Goku also doesn't expect mind control. This all leaves a massive opening for Danzo to put him under control. Remember you do not know you are being put under control with Koto.

Now you are just lying. I told you the limits of Koto's powers and why. You just choose not to accept them.

Again, because Goku is stupid and he doesn't even know he is being attacked.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Danzo vs Goku


both are in character


Goku shoots him through a mountain

he rezzes tries to use Genjutsu Goku blinks and asks if he's okay

then Danzo dies

Danzo comes back to life with Izangi
prove that he can come back from total vaporization

koto would finish Goku. after dying 8 times.


plus Goku talks a lot and likes to fight so he would want to witness Danzo's strongest attack

I'm going to ask that one of the FAIL infract you under trolling for violating the house rules regarding fanboyism and biased debating

you have a very clear history of wanking Naruto and hating on Dragon ballz

its time you get punished for it

your thread is a joke and your posts are pathetic and have only caused you mockery and others only mild amusement

[Wooster]

In terms of this thread, there is no argument; it is completely silly. Danzo is too slow to do anything.

[Frost ninja]

I've seen the sasuke battle. I haven't seen him blip more than 5 ft. Proof me please, or Goku runs circles around him.

Wheres the logic in "tuning minds"? I'd like some proof, some solid concrete proofing that you don't need to aim koto to use it on someone. Eye contact is a seperate issue since, via his regular eye, he could target and aim his jutsu. Above this, Itachi disproves the idea of suisui being a mental connection by him intending the target to be sasuke but it being used on him instead.

Yes, but koto has to be used in order to put someone under that control, and even if he doesn't expect him not to die, as soon as Danzo is back into the world he knows full-well Danzo isn't dead via ki sensing. Plus since they play around with afterimages, its not like he will be like "dafaq, I killed him and he didn't die?".

I don't like accepting ideals without backing to them.

Once Danzo gets blown up the first time, ASSUMING he somehow got up izanagi, he still won't be landing koto. Goku could be oblivious the entire time, his natural reactions would win it out for him. Its not a matter of "if" or "should", its a matter of "could" and "would".

I tug at your beard, your argument lacks logic. You pose a weak analogy that because a tactic works on someone of a vastly inferior skill level, it would in turn work on someone whom naturally would trump any attempt, simply because the tactic used is similar.

EDIT: I care not if it is silly, I like debating you Wooster ;_;

Also welcome back IWD

[MinatoXNaruto]

Umm, Goku is FTL. He would be like let me see what you got and kill Danzo by accidentally punching him so hard he blows up. All in the blink of an eye

[The 1st Hokage]

Umm, Goku is FTL. He would be like let me see what you got and kill Danzo by accidentally punching him so hard he blows up. All in the blink of an eye
FTL is a bit of a stretch, more like Massively Hypersonic, but not Light speed, and definetly not faster than light. But fast enough to kill Danzo before he has a chance to think.

I really wish I had my keys back right about now...

[Frost ninja]

Goku is nowhere near FTL. I wouldn't even peg him reletiv. (10% of lightspeed and up iirc)

[Wooster]

I've seen the sasuke battle. I haven't seen him blip more than 5 ft. Proof me please, or Goku runs circles around him.

Wheres the logic in "tuning minds"? I'd like some proof, some solid concrete proofing that you don't need to aim koto to use it on someone. Eye contact is a seperate issue since, via his regular eye, he could target and aim his jutsu. Above this, Itachi disproves the idea of suisui being a mental connection by him intending the target to be sasuke but it being used on him instead.

Yes, but koto has to be used in order to put someone under that control, and even if he doesn't expect him not to die, as soon as Danzo is back into the world he knows full-well Danzo isn't dead via ki sensing. Plus since they play around with afterimages, its not like he will be like "dafaq, I killed him and he didn't die?".

I don't like accepting ideals without backing to them.

Once Danzo gets blown up the first time, ASSUMING he somehow got up izanagi, he still won't be landing koto. Goku could be oblivious the entire time, his natural reactions would win it out for him. Its not a matter of "if" or "should", its a matter of "could" and "would".

I tug at your beard, your argument lacks logic. You pose a weak analogy that because a tactic works on someone of a vastly inferior skill level, it would in turn work on someone whom naturally would trump any attempt, simply because the tactic used is similar.
You just lied or you don't know distances very well.

Mifune. You are being intentionally dense if you don't accept that.
Itachi's use proves nothing of the sort. Hey look a Category Fallacy. `:P Let me explain. That was activation conddition. The activation being Itachi's MS. Completely irrelevant when a user chooses to use it, as would be the case here.

Except that would work against Goku as Goku would sense Danzo dying. Making him think he won. Then we commence with the standard DBZ character laughing and sitting on his ass .

You mean you just don't like accepting that you are wrong and ignoring reasons you don't like.

Goku's natural reactions would work against him as I have explained.

I don't think you know what an analogy is. I said Goku is stupid. No analogy. He is.
Do you deny Goku is stupid or that those that Koto worked on are much more intelligent than Goku? This by the way is not an analogy but a comparison :ugeek:

[MinatoXNaruto]

Goku is nowhere near FTL. I wouldn't even peg him reletiv. (10% of lightspeed and up iirc)
Instant Transmission??

[MinatoXNaruto]

FTL is a bit of a stretch, more like Massively Hypersonic, but not Light speed, and definetly not faster than light. But fast enough to kill Danzo before he has a chance to think.

I really wish I had my keys back right about now...
Almost light speed then

[The 1st Hokage]

Instant Transmission??
Teleportation and movement speed are 2 different things.
Almost light speed then
You don't know how fast light speed is do you?

[Wooster]

If Goku could travel at light speed, he could be anyway he wanted to be instaneously from his perspective.

[MinatoXNaruto]

Teleportation and movement speed are 2 different things.

You don't know how fast light speed is do you?
Why couldn't he just teleport to Danzo then?

[Frost ninja]

You just lied or you don't konw distances very well.

Then proof me. I've yet to see him move any more than that from the location he died from.

Mifune. You are being intentionally dense if you don't accept that.

Proof me then. You know my point, lets see a chapter or page.

Itachi's use proves nothing of the sort. Hey look a Category Fallacy. `:P

Not at all, in fact its an analogy in "If x person can be targeted, and all other people avoided, then its possible to avoid everyone aside from that. Because person y targeted someone, it should have the same effect."

Let me explain. That was activation conddition. The activation being Itachi's MS. Completely irrelevant when a user chooses to use it, as would be the case here.

Eh?

Except that would work against Goku as Goku would sense Danzo dying. Making him think he won. Then we commence with the standard DBZ character laughing and sitting on his ass .

And then he would sense him coming back to life and commence with the re-punt as now Goku has found someone who can tank an attack.

You mean you just don't like accepting that you are wrong and ignoring reasons you don't like.

Nah, I don't like accepting baseless claims as I said. If you've got no proof, then I've got no time to look into such feeble arguments.

Goku's natural reactions would work against him as I have explained.

I didn't see any reasonable explanation. Perhaps run it by me once more?

I don't think you know what an analogy is. I said Goku is stupid. No analogy. He is.

Stupid? Doubtful, considering his aptitude for picking up techniques in a much shorter span, strategizing on the fly since early DB when outmatched, etc. The man finds out weaknesses in otherwise perfect techniques in a matter of seeing it once or twice at the most. I don't think he is stupid at all.

Do you deny Goku is stupid or that those that Koto worked on are much more intelligent than Goku?

See above, the guy is a lot smarter than you give him credit for. Also Danzo's koto worked on mifune, I wouldn't rank him on par with Goku.

This by the way is not an analogy but a comparison :ugeek:

Its also a genetic fallacy in you denying Goku's intelligence due to the source (being Goku) rather than the merit (being feats)

[The 1st Hokage]

Why couldn't he just teleport to Danzo then?
Because he's 30 feet from Danzo and it would be faster to move at top speed than to put his fingers on his head then teleport.

[MinatoXNaruto]

Because he's 30 feet from Danzo and it would be faster to move at top speed than to put his fingers on his head then teleport.
Ok. But he can still travel at light speed by IT

[The 1st Hokage]

Ok. But he can still travel at light speed by IT
As far as I can tell, Instant Transmission is just as the name says, Instant, but I'm not 100% sure. It was always implied to be instant from my point of view.

[mrsticky005]

Danzo vs Goku


both are in character

NO PREP nor KNOWLEDGE...( Danzo has the gauntlet thing off of his arm just so ppl know)


Battle takes place in Hawaii Distacne: 30ft away from each other and it starts on the beach


who wins and why

PLEASE VOTE ON POLL AND EXPLAIN WHY YOUR CHOICE WOULD WIN PLEASE

Thanks have fun and debate................wait for it.. NOW


Danzo wins.

Goku thinks Danzo is just some grumpy old man and doesn't bother trying to fight him. Danzo uses Koto Amakatsuki on Goku and makes kill himself

Remember neither have knowledge. So Goku doesn't know that Danzo
is actually hostile against him. He would just think he's some handicap
old geezer. Danzo on the other hand doesn't need to know who Goku is
he just knows he's an inconvenience. So he gets rid of him via genjutsu.

And Goku killing a helpless old man is out of character.

Danzo wins. :p

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Umm, Goku is FTL. He would be like let me see what you got and kill Danzo by accidentally punching him so hard he blows up. All in the blink of an eye

Goku is absolutely not FTL

Goku is massively hypersonic to the point that he barely approaches light speed

but he isn't even lightspeed

no idea why you think he's FTL though

[The 1st Hokage]

Danzo wins.

Goku thinks Danzo is just some grumpy old man and doesn't bother trying to fight him. Danzo uses Koto Amakatsuki on Goku and makes kill himself

Remember neither have knowledge. So Goku doesn't know that Danzo
is actually hostile against him. He would just think he's some handicap
old geezer. Danzo on the other hand doesn't need to know who Goku is
he just knows he's an inconvenience. So he gets rid of him via genjutsu.

And Goku killing a helpless old man is out of character.

Danzo wins. :p
Yay for technicalities!

[TheBlackChidori]

Naruto Vs. DBZ topics are no longer allowed.

Naruto vs. Dragonball topics are okay, but anything post-Raditz is banned.

[Wooster]

Danzo wins.

Goku thinks Danzo is just some grumpy old man and doesn't bother trying to fight him. Danzo uses Koto Amakatsuki on Goku and makes kill himself

Remember neither have knowledge. So Goku doesn't know that Danzo
is actually hostile against him. He would just think he's some handicap
old geezer. Danzo on the other hand doesn't need to know who Goku is
he just knows he's an inconvenience. So he gets rid of him via genjutsu.

And Goku killing a helpless old man is out of character.

Danzo wins. :p
Wow, that's right. :shock:

Glad you have shown me the light :D

[TheBlackChidori]

Sticky. If two people are in a BG debate, it's because they're about to fight. Putting Goku in a scenario where he is prepared to do battle and saying "Goku doesn't know the old man wants to fight" is silly. Especially when Goku has fought several hardcore old guys, including but not limited to Master Roshi, Tao Pai Pai, Tsurusennin, Piccolo Daimyo, Korin, Kame, Dr Gero/Android 20, and so-on so forth.

[Wooster]

But the OP says in character, and DBZ characters generally say 'IM GONNA KILL YOU"
Danzo wouldn't do that, so that puts Goku at a vast disadvantage in knowing if he should fight or not. `:P

[TheBlackChidori]

Roshi never threatened to kill Goku, but Goku still got a sick jolly out of fighting him. You seem to think that Goku doesn't like to fight, but he enjoys it more than anyone in the universe that I know of.

Roshi is also a good 200 years older than Danzo.

[Wooster]

If offered to fight. Roshi likes fighting too. Danzo would just stand there.

[MinatoXNaruto]

Goku is absolutely not FTL

Goku is massively hypersonic to the point that he barely approaches light speed

but he isn't even lightspeed

no idea why you think he's FTL though
I thought FTL meant faster than Lee as in Rock Lee at first. My badd. I know it means faster than light now

[Wooster]

Thread is unlocked now? :lol:

[TheBlackChidori]

If offered to fight. Roshi likes fighting too. Danzo would just stand there.

And Goku would walk over and flick his forehead off trying to feel his opponent out. Reminds me of Trunks Vs. Mr Satan.

[Wooster]

Well according to this thread Danzo, would lose because it is no prep.
UNLESS, Danzo says "Hey want see a neat trick?" Then Goku allows Danzo to place Koto on him.

[Frost ninja]

As I said, Goku is a lot smarter than you are giving credit for.

[Wooster]

Yes smarter than Mifune. :lol:
Remember the time Goku didn't understand women don't have penises? `:P

[TheBlackChidori]

Wasn't he 9 and raised alone in the forest with his grandpa at that point?

[Wooster]

Something like that. Some monk guy I think.

[megabbaut]

I thought Naruto vs DBZ topics weren't allowed now. :lol:

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

you can make a case for Goku being an autistic savant or an idiot savant

but to say he's shown tactics comparable to Danzo is a bit much

he's a smarter fighter than Naruto though

[Frost ninja]

you can make a case for Goku being an autistic savant or an idiot savant

but to say he's shown tactics comparable to Danzo is a bit much

he's a smarter fighter than Naruto though

Is it a bit much?
He figured to redirect freiza's blades back at him
Figured a way around Ginyu's body swap
Learned the IT and other techniques very quickly
Used Solar Flare and realized the weakness in Tien's four-pronged attack in DB
Learned to manipulate the kamehameha in ways that allowed him to shoot it from his feet and whatnot
Figured a way around the weakness of his tail being grabbed in DB
While getting his ribs crushed, has the mental aptitude to blind great ape vegeta
Learned that SSJ had a huge energy drain on it, so he developed a more efficent version SSJ2
Doesn;t openly use his most powerful form because he knows of the stamina drop in it
Countered Yakon's light eating ability by overdosing him
Countless times of seeing an ability and learning the direct weakness.


Thats just off the top of my head.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Is it a bit much?

yes


He figured to redirect freiza's blades back at him

and to be fair Goku's childhood friend invented a far more lethal and efficient and fool proof variant of that move

Goku also basically played a childs game of chicken there

Figured a way around Ginyu's body swap

because he had the benefit of experiencing it and being able to pay attention


Learned the IT and other techniques very quickly


yup, this isn't something I'm disputing and it does go into being a savant

not to mention Saiyans are genetically predisposed to learning new fighting techs very easily, Vegeta learned how to manipulate his chi after being on the receiving end of an ass whooping after all

Used Solar Flare and realized the weakness in Tien's four-pronged attack in DB
Learned to manipulate the kamehameha in ways that allowed him to shoot it from his feet and whatnot

Goku was a great deal more intelligent in DB or at least because he was legitimately still a small fish in a big pond fought dirty more often as for the kamehameha wave again Saiyans are as a race able to instinctively learn moves easier than others

Figured a way around the weakness of his tail being grabbed in DB
While getting his ribs crushed, has the mental aptitude to blind great ape vegeta

desperate thinking and in the thing about great Vegeta was I have admit clever but he stopped doing stuff like that

my guess is Krillens influence


Learned that SSJ had a huge energy drain on it, so he developed a more efficent version SSJ2

the result of a great deal of experimentation and he had his genius son there too


Doesn;t openly use his most powerful form because he knows of the stamina drop in it

common sense


Countered Yakon's light eating ability by overdosing him


Frosty, Kuwabara did that too neither of them are especially smart


Countless times of seeing an ability and learning the direct weakness.


which if memory serves is a genetic trait of all Saiyans..

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Why is this unlocked. If IWD and FN want to argue this one of them can make a thread in The Burrow or do it in PMs, this is gonna be farmed soon :lol: