Mei and Gaara vs. Tsunade and Jiraiya

[Godaime Kazekage]

Location: Gaara vs. 2nd Miz
No Prep, all fighters begin in base form (i.e. Jiraiya does not start in SM)
Who wins? The Kage or the Sannin?

[MinatoXNaruto]

What can they do to Gaara?

[tsuki]

Not sure how fast Jiraya is normally, but he could probably blitz when he gets into sage mode.

[Kuromaki]

Tsunade > Mei and Jiraiya > either Mei or Gaara 1v1 so the sannin win.

Tsunade's Byakugo lets her heal from many of the other team's attacks and gives her more speed to avoid them, also if she summons Katsuyu Mei won't have much of a defense for the acid slime.

Jiraiya could use his toads to avoid either Gaara's sand or Mei's lava, and considering Gamabunta's tongue alone blocked Gaara's sand in part 1 I would assume that the toads have enough size and durability to get past his sand. Jiraiya also has oil which is Gaara's known weakness.

[Cult of Personality]

Mei lavas Tsunade's head off/Gaara Sand Coffins her. She ain't gonna use Byakugo under anything like normal circumstances.

So it's basically Jiraiya vs those two. And considering how well he did against Pain...

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

Summoning would be a major factor in this battle, considering that is one of the reasons what made the Sannin so famous.

I imagine that this battle would most likely end up with Gaara vs Jiriaya, and Mei vs Tsunade.

Mei vs Tsunade
Although we have not seen much of Mei, and she has very few feats, she has not displayed any techniques that would deal with Tsunade and her summons. However, Tsunade would have to get in close for her to use her enhanced taijustu, which is definatly not going to happen, unless Tsunade could heal and just tank lava style ( which is very likely considering her healing seems to be practically instant.

In Gaara vs Jiriaya
Jiriah is usually shown to be jolly and goofy however considering how well he did against Pein he is obviously talented.

The biggest problem is that Gaara has alot of sand at his disposal especially in this environment, however when Jiriaya uses summoning he should have enough time to avoid the sand until he gathers enough sage chakra. Furthermore, after he enters sage mode, the battle would probably be over for Gaara. Gaara has no shown that much aptitude for deterring genjustu, especially senjustu empowered ones. Furthermore, a combination attack with his frogs, should be able to atleast counter Gaara's sand tsunami- even if it doesnot, Jiriaya has his summoning frog stomach feat, which could probably protect him from being crushed by sand.


However, lets say that instead of fighting separately, they tag team. This puts the kage's at a even lower percentage of winning, considering how many times Jiriaya has fought alongside with Tsunade.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Since there are a number of people who seem to be going for team Sannin right now, I'm going to play devil's advocate and argue for Team Kage`;)

@tsuki-This depends on if he gets into sage mode, and Gaara's sand is fast enough to block Amaterasu. SM Jiraiya is nowhere near that fast-no blitzing going on here.

@Kuromaki-When has Byakugou been proven to give Tsunade more speed? At any rate neither base Jiraiya or Tsunade have speed feats to prove they can escape Gaara's sand. Her Byakugou also isn't going to save her from lava, or, to borrow from Kimimaro, having all of her insides crushed beyond recognition in one Subaku Soso. Mei's lack of defensive feats aren't a problem-Gaara will defend her. As for the toads, Gaara wasn't attacking Gamabunta, but Naruto when the tongue got in the way, and if you remember it still failed as a defense. Also Current Gaara>>>>>Gaara from Gaara vs. Naruto. As commented by many characters his sand has gotten significantly faster and stronger and he can use copious amounts of it (enough to bury a boss frog) in the right environments. Oil isn't much of a problem for Gaara, since he has so much sand to work with in this environment.

@Naruto the Sage of Life: Lava is exponentially more damaging than fire attacks-I seriously doubt Tsunade could take a Yoton head on. Also, Frog Song is not as great as everyone on the forum cracks it up to be-it takes a long time to prepare, takes a long time to be performed, has to be performed just right, and has to be sung the whole way through to take effect. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you need to attack Ma+Pa/interrupt the song when they start it up, and it would be fairly easy to do. Finally, I don't really understand how Jiraiya's stomach summoning would protect him...

@everyone: Team Kage can fly-what do the Sannin plan to do about that?

[Sagepain]

^ Regarding Tsunade not surviving Mei and Gaara's attacks, keep in mind that Tsunade survived Lightspeed travel thats should have torn her apart with MR. In fact she didin't have MR active when she survived that, she used MR after said lightspeed travel to heal the damage that was done to her body.

Tsunade is probably the second fastest of the current 5 kage..........just sayin.

[amon our holy savior]

i think that either Sannin could potentially solo, it sounds ridiculous from what other peopel have said in this thread so far, but together its a stomp. Onokki had 0 chakra left and tsunade was also exhausted, she pumped chakra into him and he created a giant jinton 1/2 the size of perfect susano'o and obliterated 25 ems level susanoo with ease. if she did that with jiraiya and one of his extremely powerful techniques(oil for starters which>gaara) then i'm afraid for what will happen to team gaara.

[Kuromaki]

@Kuromaki-When has Byakugou been proven to give Tsunade more speed? At any rate neither base Jiraiya or Tsunade have speed feats to prove they can escape Gaara's sand. Her Byakugou also isn't going to save her from lava, or, to borrow from Kimimaro, having all of her insides crushed beyond recognition in one Subaku Soso. Mei's lack of defensive feats aren't a problem-Gaara will defend her. As for the toads, Gaara wasn't attacking Gamabunta, but Naruto when the tongue got in the way, and if you remember it still failed as a defense. Also Current Gaara>>>>>Gaara from Gaara vs. Naruto. As commented by many characters his sand has gotten significantly faster and stronger and he can use copious amounts of it (enough to bury a boss frog) in the right environments. Oil isn't much of a problem for Gaara, since he has so much sand to work with in this environment.
Tsunade showed speed boost against Madara and she was able to deflect Maddy's dragon fireballs while she was tired and about to collapse. Jiraiya on the other hand was able to escape Pain boss summons on his toad all while prepping sage mode, and he is a Sannin who is considered on Orochimaru's level.

If Byakugou can save Tsunade from getting ripped to shreds, burned to death by fireballs and getting stabbed through the body by Susanoo. I'm sure she can survive getting some limbs caught in lava or sand. Plus she is probably strong and fast enough to break out of sand or avoid lava. If she isn't, there are Jiraiya boss toads and Katsuyu to consider...

What matters is that the tongue was strong enough to survive an attack meant to kill its target, and that was just the tongue, so I would imagine Gaara having difficulty killing a boss toad with his sand. Although his sand increased in speed during the time skip, that does not mean that the toads wouldn't be strong enough to fight it off or jump away from it. After all, Gamabunta fought the sand spirit itself.

All Jiraiya has to do is target the sand in certain areas to make it all crumble apart. At the very least, he can hold off some of the sand with what oil he has so that his toads or tsunade can go on the offensive. Also @ what amon the holy savior said, Tsunade can pump chakra into him so he can fire off a huge oil attack once they figure out Gaara's weakness.

Gamabunta can use massive water bullets as well which Gaara would have trouble blocking - knowing what happens to sand at the beach it would also be logical to assume that the water bullets will make his sand heavier and thus slow it down. That's if the water bullets don't just blast through the sand considering they clashed with Shukaku's wind bullet that drilled through a forest. Katsuyu's acid attack gives no warning and covers a huge area, plus she can divide if sand or lava get to her, and give Tsunade's healing or chakra to Jiraiya.
@everyone: Team Kage can fly-what do the Sannin plan to do about that? dem boss toads can jump really high doe. Not that the sannin would sit there and let them have an aerial advantage.

Also, Jiraiya can summon more than one, so potentially Team Kage could be fighting off 3 giant toads + a giant slug + 2 Sannin who are already beasts by themselves.

[Godaime Kazekage]

@Sagepain-Tsunade had only a few cuts on her after the teleportation (before she activated Genesis Rebirth) and Raikage had no damage...Mabui's technique is not as damaging as she cracked it up to be. I am in no way convinced that she can survive being melted by lava or survive a sand funeral which crushes the body in an instant-i.e. she has no time to heal as opposed to being stabbed or burned by something. Tsunade may be the 2nd fastest Kage on the ground, but Gaara and Onoki are faster when flying. This isn't saying too much anyway since none of the Kages have any amazing speed feats aside from Raikage.

@amon-More chakra does not not necessarily mean bigger techniques, you're still limited by your own ability. Onoki was already capable of using a dust release attack that large-all Tsunade did was replenish his chakra pool. Edo Madara never runs out of chakra, but that doesn't mean he can create a fireball as big as the world.

@Kuromaki-Being tired and blocking the fireballs show stamina, not raw speed. Jiraiya's toads avoiding Pain's summons (which aren't noted for being fast) and being a Sannin also do not show speed. Sand death is instantaneous, done by intense pressure-she has no time to heal from it as opposed to being stabbed and burned. Lava death is just a difference of opinion-IMO Tsunade hasn't healed from anything as damaging as lava.
As for the toads, Gaara has a ton of sand to work with in this environment-if he couldn't just bury them he'd at least be able to crush their legs leaving the Sannin at a disadvantage with Gaara and Mei in the air. The oil advantage here is fundamentally different than with the Mizukage-the Mizukage's whole body was made of oil, so Gaara couldn't crush him, Jiraiya doesn't have that- as soon as he's caught it's over. Jiraiya has never been shown to be capable of summoning more than one boss frog at a time.

Also, what defense do the Sannin have against a large scale water attack from Mei? I can see Jiraiya going for a fire/oil combo with Bunta and then Mei overpowering it with water. Yes, water hasn't been shown to kill anyone, but like Kages vs. Madara, Gaara could put sand in Mei's large scale water attack and bind the Sannin with that trick...or just use a large scale sand tsunami from the outset...

[Kuromaki]

@Kuromaki-Being tired and blocking the fireballs show stamina, not raw speed. Jiraiya's toads avoiding Pain's summons (which aren't noted for being fast) and being a Sannin also do not show speed. Sand death is instantaneous, done by intense pressure-she has no time to heal from it as opposed to being stabbed and burned. Lava death is just a difference of opinion-IMO Tsunade hasn't healed from anything as damaging as lava.
As for the toads, Gaara has a ton of sand to work with in this environment-if he couldn't just bury them he'd at least be able to crush their legs leaving the Sannin at a disadvantage with Gaara and Mei in the air. The oil advantage here is fundamentally different than with the Mizukage-the Mizukage's whole body was made of oil, so Gaara couldn't crush him, Jiraiya doesn't have that- as soon as he's caught it's over. Jiraiya has never been shown to be capable of summoning more than one boss frog at a time.

Also, what defense do the Sannin have against a large scale water attack from Mei? I can see Jiraiya going for a fire/oil combo with Bunta and then Mei overpowering it with water. Yes, water hasn't been shown to kill anyone, but like Kages vs. Madara, Gaara could put sand in Mei's large scale water attack and bind the Sannin with that trick...or just use a large scale sand tsunami from the outset...
It shows speed because she was fast enough to intercept an attack from Madara, who wanted to get in close and end it.

What makes Pain's best summons so slow? He's Pain, after all. Jiraiya avoided Konan's attacks too and kept up with Orochimaru when he was drugged (to be fair, Orochimaru was armless but he could still attack with his other.. parts). Jiraiya was also fast enough to react to and summon a toad to block Kisame's Samehada when Itachi & Kisame were in konoha. Itachi & Kisame respected Jiraiya's powers, if jiraiya was such a slow and weak ninja they wouldn't have bothered. Speed isn't everything, all that matters is that the Sannin will be fast enough to react to the Kage's attacks. And in the scenario that Jiraiya uses SM, good game.

I'm sure tsunade would die if her whole body was crushed in the sand, but logically she would take care to avoid it as best she could, and try to break out of it in the instance that she does get caught.

Jiraiya can do those underground attacks too, Dark Swamp anyone? And the toads can jump to avoid their legs getting caught in sand.

True that Jiraiya can't turn into oil like the Mizukage, but it is still a big part of his moveset and he can spit out enough to defend himself. Gamabunta can spit out oil too, actually, along with the massive scale water bullets that I mentioned previously.

Jiraiya never showed that he could summon more than one toad on panel but that doesn't mean he can't He has shown the chakra capacity to summon multiple toads (he was never tired or fatigued after summoning one) and he did manage to summon Shima & Fukasaku who are insanely powerful :P

Toad Oil Flame Bullet is bigger than Madara's fire attack, and unlike Madara's fire attack, it's powered with oil so Mei would have more trouble countering that. At best, their attacks would probably cancel out.

If Gaara uses sand tsunami the sannin have time to summon and get away from it. Gaara's dad i believe had enough time to talk with the other kages, put his hands on the ground, and counter sand tsunami with gold.

[TobiramaSenju307]

gaara and mei are IMO too dangerous. remember meis lava would burn past most of waht jiraiya throws at them. her suitons countered madaras katons meaning jiraiyas katons are no problem. gaara has sensor sand which makes him immune to the effects of kirigakure no jutsu. sure jiraiya may decide "i should go to SM" but that takes time. time he doesnt have against gara whos powerful enough to attack from every single direction, including underground. swamp of the underworld would only prompt gaara to take flight above the mist and drop sand hail and sand spears.
if gaara has mei with him when he flies, then mei can just drop acid mist and melt team 2.


Jiraiya could use his toads to avoid either Gaara's sand
gaaras sand reacted to and blocked 5 susano swords and amaterasu


oil for starters which>gaara
sand pyramid > oil

[Kuromaki]

Gaara blocked blaze release not amaterasu itself, susanoo swords sure but that was more impressive in terms of durability.

[megabbaut]

Gaara blocked blaze release not amaterasu itself, susanoo swords sure but that was more impressive in terms of durability.
Actually, it was the other way around. Gaara's sand was the one attacking, and Sasuke had to block it with an Enton.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Jiraiya kills Tsunade for sucking.
Jiraiya kills himself for touching Tsunade.

[PrinceofPeace]

the Sannin win.

Mei is just holding Garra back.

The Sannin both summon Katsyu and Gama. Does Garra have enough sand to hold both of them???

Mei's only stength is long ranged Jutsu so if the sannin get close to her the battle is over for her
Tsunade>Mei Jiryira>Mei

Garra is the only threat
Garra> Tsunade
Garra>Jiryria
Garra<Tsunade and Jiryria

How do you kill Katysu by the why??? Tsunades strength would easily be able to break free of the sand.

Jiryira just has to stall with frogs.

SoTU would take care of Mei or slug acid

Once Jiryia goes Sage mode it is all over his genjutsu would take care of Mei and Garra.

How can Gara solo the Sannin

[Kuromaki]

@megabbaut yeah exactly

Mei is just holding Garra back.

Mei never holds anyone back bro

If I were to debate for the Kages, Mei would actually be pretty helpful since she can hold off Tsunade at least temporarily

[PrinceofPeace]

@megabbaut yeah exactly


Mei can hold off Tsunade at least temporarily

I know Mei is your fav character But come on she is not even very helpful in this war right now.

The ony thing that Mei can do is constantly use Boil to keep Tsunade at distance...BUT that will not help because Tsunade summons Kaytsu to spam acid ( Mei is not really that fast)

Mei would not last long.

Garra is then busy trying to chase down Jiryira. Jiryria can evade by
1) Reverse summoning
2) Using 3 boss toads to attacks Garra with oil/water attacks
3) Hiding in their mouth
4) Jiryia gets on toad and they hop away from sand attacks

Eventually it will be Jiryria and Tsunade vs Garra. There is no way Garra can beat both with Tsunade healing injuries and Jiryria using INCREDIBLE SAGE ATTACKS

[Kuromaki]

I know Mei is your fav character But come on she is not even very helpful in this war right now.

The ony thing that Mei can do is constantly use Boil to keep Tsunade at distance...BUT that will not help because Tsunade summons Kaytsu to spam acid ( Mei is not really that fast)

Mei would not last long.

Garra is then busy trying to chase down Jiryira. Jiryria can evade by
1) Reverse summoning
2) Using 3 boss toads to attacks Garra with oil/water attacks
3) Hiding in their mouth
4) Jiryia gets on toad and they hop away from sand attacks

Eventually it will be Jiryria and Tsunade vs Garra. There is no way Garra can beat both with Tsunade healing injuries and Jiryria using INCREDIBLE SAGE ATTACKS
son, she put out Madara's fire and saved Tsunade's life. Tsunade is currently the most helpful one in the war along with Onoki. Without Mei, she would be dead.

she used hidden mist which enabled for Onoki & A to attack Madara. She used lava which helped A attack Madara which helped stall for Tsunade to heal Gaara and Onoki.

Mei's lava or boil release can take care of Katsuyu. There's no rule saying Katsuyu is immune to being melted to death.

Well, now I'm playing devil's advocate, though I believe the sannin would win.

[PrinceofPeace]

son, she put out Madara's fire and saved Tsunade's life. Tsunade is currently the most helpful one in the war along with Onoki. Without Mei, she would be dead.

she used hidden mist which enabled for Onoki & A to attack Madara. She used lava which helped A attack Madara which helped stall for Tsunade to heal Gaara and Onoki.

Mei's lava or boil release can take care of Katsuyu. There's no rule saying Katsuyu is immune to being melted to death.

Well, now I'm playing devil's advocate, though I believe the sannin would win.

No she did not Dan saved her from the fir Mei was not faste enough to save Tsunade

Hidden Mist will not do that much Tsunade summons Katsyu and spams acid into the mist. She has to be hidding in the mist so just shoot acid into it.

katsyu survived naruto go into 8tails form. Katsyu can constantly heal from boil/lava attacks ACID>boil or lava

Agreed Sannin would win

[Kuromaki]

No she did not Dan saved her from the fir Mei was not faste enough to save Tsunade

Hidden Mist will not do that much Tsunade summons Katsyu and spams acid into the mist. She has to be hidding in the mist so just shoot acid into it.

katsyu survived naruto go into 8tails form. Katsyu can constantly heal from boil/lava attacks ACID>boil or lava

Agreed Sannin would win
chapter 577 says it all... actually before Dan appeared Tsunade saved herself from the fire and then as she was falling, Dan's ghost jutsu possessed her body and saved her from Madara.

Mei can counter her acid with lava globs or push it back with suiton.

Katsuyu was hiding under his clothes. When Naruto came out of 8 tails, he was not naked. I'm also pretty sure that the same attack that melted Susanoo would be more corrosive than kyuubi cloak.

[PrinceofPeace]

katytsu would use acid from above which would fall onto Mei . If Mei did block with Lava she would have to fire it up which both attacks would fall onto her

[TobiramaSenju307]

Tsunades strength would easily be able to break free of the sand
third raikage was unable to. tsunade will be crushed before she can pull free

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsunade is way stronger than Raikage . Raikage has more endurance

[RasenganMaster21]

Jiraiya and Tsunade win. Jiraiya will summon in a toad, then have the toad and Tsunade hold them off untill he goes Sage Mode and then Jiraiya owns.

[PrinceofPeace]

Mei is holding Garra back.

This battle is really Garra vs Jiryira and Tsunade

[Cult of Personality]

Ha. No.

It's actually Gaara and Mei vs Jiraiya. Sucknade is fodder without Byakugo, and she would never use it on anyone weaker than Madara, and wouldn't live long enough to use it even if she were going to.

[Ultimate combatant]

Gaara stalls against Jiraiya.

Mei beats Tsunade.

Gaara and Mei gang up on Jiraiya...


... and still lose against him if he deals enough damage to Gaara prior to ganging up!!! :D

[Kuromaki]

katytsu would use acid from above which would fall onto Mei . If Mei did block with Lava she would have to fire it up which both attacks would fall onto her
mei is immune to her lava. When she used lava against sasuke, there was some left on her lips and she wiped it off casually like a boss. Also, Mei can just use water to repel the acid.

[PrinceofPeace]

ok good point heck I fell generous I'll give you rep for it... IF you can answer this convincingly

how does Mei beat Tsunade's Katsyu?

[Cult of Personality]

How does Tsunade survive long enough to summon Katsuyu?

What makes you think she would summon Katsuyu in the first place? Shes only ever summoned Katsuyu once in battle, and not until Orochimaru summoned Manda, so unless Mei and Gaara have a boss summon to pull out, Katsuyu wont be making an appearance.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Actually, it was the other way around. Gaara's sand was the one attacking, and Sasuke had to block it with an Enton.

That was a mistranslation-What Sasuke said was actually "I can't believe you can guard so effectively against my Enton-I guess your absolute defense is alive and well" Gaara guarded against Enton, which was just shots of Amaterasu in this case. All Enton is is the manipulation of Amaterasu. You can see in the panel that the fire is moving towards Gaara and that his sand is in front of him and Temari and Kankuro. Also, blocking against Gaara's sand with Enton wouldn't make any sense. The scene is more clearly portrayed in the anime, check it if you want a reference.

[Uchiha Sora]

I'll just take your word for it then.

So then that means Gaara reacted to Ammy?
Which means his sand is fast enough to block it. :lol: either way it still says Gaara's sand is fast as hell.

[PrinceofPeace]

How does Tsunade survive long enough to summon Katsuyu?

What makes you think she would summon Katsuyu in the first place? Shes only ever summoned Katsuyu once in battle, and not until Orochimaru summoned Manda, so unless Mei and Gaara have a boss summon to pull out, Katsuyu wont be making an appearance.


why would she NOT summon Katsuyu and she used it twice
1-against Oro
2-against Pain

Tsunade is with Jiryria so she will summon Katsuyu last time she did anyways

Of course Tsunade will survive she can not get blitz easily. Especially with Jiryia there.
Tsunade is better than Mei at
taijutsu
medical ninjutsu
stamina
inteligence
STRENGTH

BUT speed is even

and Mei is better at ninjutsu and hand signs

[Kuromaki]

ok good point heck I fell generous I'll give you rep for it... IF you can answer this convincingly

how does Mei beat Tsunade's Katsyu?
She melts Katsuyu with her lava or acid. Like I said though, I don't actually think Mei would beat Tsunade.

[Cult of Personality]

why would she NOT summon Katsuyu and she used it twice
1-against Oro
2-against Pain

She summoned Katsuyu when orochimaru summoned Manda. She did not summon Katsuyu to fight Pain, she in fact did not fight Pain at all. Non-combat situation.

Given this, we can only assume she will use Katsuyu to combat a like threat, namely a boss summon, rather than waste the time on an opponent she could just as easily fight on foot.

Tsunade is with Jiryria so she will summon Katsuyu last time she did anyways


Not unless Mei or Gaara use a boss summon.

Of course Tsunade will survive

No she won;'t.

she can not get blitz easily.Yes she can.

Especially with Jiryia there.


Sand Coffin. No more Jiraiya.

Tsunade is better than Mei at
taijutsu
No one cares.
medical ninjutsu
No one cares
stamina
No one cares.
inteligence
No one cares.
STRENGTH
No one cares.
BUT speed is even

No it isn't.

and Mei is better at ninjutsu and hand signs And using that ninjutsu and hand sign superiority she ninjutsus up some lava to take off Tsunade's head.

Either that or she just stands around and lets Gaara sand coffin Tsunade to death.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsunade summoned Katasyu during the pain fight to trade knowledge and heal others
A lil Katasyu was on Tsunade when she was going to fight him

Mei and Garra have not been proven to summon squat
Tsunade survies using Yin
Tsunade is faster than Mei
Jiryria summons a toad to break out of sand coffin like naruto did
Mei will care when her butt gets beat
how is Mei faster?
Tsunade breaks out of sand coffin with a summoning and lava is slower than Tsunade

[Cult of Personality]

Tsunade didn't summon Katsuyu in a battle against Pain, and she didn't summon her for the purposes of fighting. It was in a supporting position. Totally different situations.

I know Mei and Gaara can't summon, which is my point.

In any event, it doesn't matter since Tsunade won't live long enough to summon Katsuyu and even if she could there's nothing Katsuyu could do to contribute in any way.

Yin won't protect Tsunade if her head gets lavaed off. Nor has it proven capable of healing the level of damage Gaara is capable of causing.

Prove Tsunade is faster than Mei. Use evidence from the manga citing chapter and page numbers. Similarly prove that Tsunade is faster than Mei's lava, also citing chapter and page numbers. And we both know you can't.

Having established that Tsunade is incapable of surviving beyond the first, oh...five seconds of the fight, it's down to Jiraiya vs Mei and Gaara.

[PrinceofPeace]

That does not mean she can not or will not summon it against a kage

Exactly they can not summon

How would Tsunade not be able to live long enough?? katsuyu would help a TON. She can heal Tsunade and spit acid to kill Mei

True but Tsunade will not confront Mei that is what katsuyu is for

Tsunade and Mei are AT BEST equal speeds. and Tsunade can summon faster than she can use lava

How does Tsunade die in 5sec when she can summon Katasyu in under 5sec

This fight is REALLY Garra vs 2 sennin because Mei<Tsunade

How does Mei beat kataysu

[Cult of Personality]

That does not mean she can not or will not summon it against a kage

Then prove she would summon Katsuyu. Manga chapter and page numbers.

Exactly they can not summon
And lacking this feature, Tsunade has no reason to summon Katsuyu. Enemy boss summons, Tsunade boss summons. Enemy doesn't boss summon, Tsunade doesn't boss summon.

How would Tsunade not be able to live long enough?Sand coffin. Head lavaed off. Etc.
She can heal TsunadeYeah, that's not true.

and spit acid to kill MeiAnd Mei...dodges. Or Gaara shields her. One way or the other.

True but Tsunade will not confront Mei that is what katsuyu is for
Enemy boss summons, Tsunade boss summons. Enemy doesn't boss summon, Tsunade doesn't boss summon.

Tsunade and Mei are AT BEST equal speeds. and Tsunade can summon faster than she can use lavaProve it. Provide chapter and page numbers to support your claim.

How does Tsunade die in 5sec when she can summon Katasyu in under 5sec
Prove it. Provide chapter and page numbers to support your claim.


This fight is REALLY Garra vs 2 sennin because Mei<Tsunade
Except that, you know, that's not true.
How does Mei beat kataysuWith lava. Or acid maybe. Or she just stands there and lets Gaara do all the work does it matter?

[PrinceofPeace]

What? The last time she fought with Jiryria she used a summoning why not now? Why would she not summon katsayu? She summoned a lil Katsayu and gave it to Naruto when he was going to fight Pain so at the very least she would give one to Jiryria and herself while she is at it? I can not say for sure she is going to summon anything but neither can you. It is just 1 in 1,000 scenairos

Just because they can not use a summoning Jiryria and Tsunade are going to take pity on them and not summon anything either? Is that what you are saying? The sannin use the summonings to their advantage

She can use a summoning to break out of sand coffin. Lava style is a mid to short range attack so Tsunade can punch her lights out if they are soo close OR she can dodge it

Lil katasyu gives off chakra to help heal Tsunade

Acid covers a large distance so it is unlikely she dodges. Garra can block with sand but Jiryria can use flame bombs or summon Gama to attack. Basically this is why it is Garra vs sannin because Garra will be too busy protecting Mei

Tsunade used a boss summon to try to heal the village people. That is one sceniro or theory of the fight. Without summonings the kages would win but without the kages would lose. This would be a very easy and boaring win for the kages.

Tsunade speed feats: barly kept up with Kabuto so she is a lil slower than her
Mei speed feats: Kicking zetsu at the summit.
Pretty much equal... who do YOU think is faster

It does not take that long to bite yourself and slam hand down. When she summoned it when pain invaded it did not take very long

How is a mid -short range small lava attack defat a giant slug? " Or she just stands there and lets Gaara do all the work does it matter? "- Cult

See I told you Garra is doing most of the work I know it is true and you just said so as well. Garra would be protecting her most of the time giving Jiryria a chance to use a summoning or attack Garra

[Cult of Personality]

I believe I requested chapter and page numbers to support your claims. If you have no such evidence, then bugger off.

[PrinceofPeace]

I have no evidence for THOSE claims but I did have statements that did NOT need evidence

[Cult of Personality]

Since you have no evidence to remotely support your totally ridiculous claims, victory goes to myself.

I win, you lose. Neener neener booboo.

[PrinceofPeace]

You did not give exact evidence either. And not all of our info needed exact info

lol I just noticed I posted more than you did in 7 months

[Cult of Personality]

I'm glad you agree that Gaara and Mei win.

[PrinceofPeace]

I do not agree

[Cult of Personality]

Yes, I know I'm brilliant.

[PrinceofPeace]

I argee I am brillant aswell

[Cult of Personality]

No, I will no take my clothes off. How dare you.

[Nixu Hyuga]

No, I will no take my clothes off. How dare you.

PrinceofPeace, what are you doing?! Well, this calls for a little Chris Hansen Dateline MBC.
Chris Hansen: So... Prince, what were you doing here?
PrinceofPeace: I gotta leave.
Hansen: Why don't you sit down?
*Prince sits down across from Hansen.*
Prince: I was just posting on a forum. I swear.
Hansen: And were you asking other forum-goers to take their clothes off?
Prince: No.
Hansen: But it says here that a Mr... Cult of Personality said you did just that.
Prince: I'm leaving. This is crazy!
*Prince walks outside and is tackled, then arrested by the police. Next to him in the cop car is notorious pedo Orochiamru.*
Next week on Pedostoppers. :lol:

Imo, Gaara and Mei win.

The volume of sand that Gaara uses in part 2 (Shippuden) is so huge that it's unlikely Jiraiya and Tsunade would be able to break through. He can also use his sand to allow him and Mei to fly, and Mei could use boil and lava release for defense and offense along with hidden mist and water style. Gaara's sand sensing ability would allow him to attack them in the mist.

[PrinceofPeace]

Thanks for being funny and using an actual argument

Like you pointed out garra is doing most to all of the heavy lifting by getting Mei out of danger than taking her to the skies.

While He is in the air he can not make more sand as well.

Jiryria summons all 3 boss toad summonings while Tsunade summons Katasyu. Tsunade then gives Jiryria a lil Katasyu just in case.

While the kages go in the air the frogs use oil and water and fire on the Kages

The frogs should also be able to give Jiryria enough time to go into Sage mode. Once there it is Frog Song for the win.

Mei is practically useless
and
Jiryria and Tsunade know how to work together

[Cult of Personality]

We've already established that Tsunade will not summon Katsuyu, nor do I seen any reason Jiraiya would decide to summon one toad, much less three.

Tsunade gets her face lavaed off.

The toads get Sand Coffined. Jiraiya gets Sand Coffined. Tsunade gets Sand Coffined.

Jiraiya won't survive long enough to use Sage Mode, much less Frog Song.

Mei provides more to this fight than Tsunade does.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

No, I will no take my clothes off. How dare you.


*silent laughing......what has this debate come to....?


i just popped in in here and saw this...............................


:lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

We've already established that Tsunade will not summon Katsuyu, nor do I seen any reason Jiraiya would decide to summon one toad, much less three.

Tsunade gets her face lavaed off.

The toads get Sand Coffined. Jiraiya gets Sand Coffined. Tsunade gets Sand Coffined.

Jiraiya won't survive long enough to use Sage Mode, much less Frog Song.

Mei provides more to this fight than Tsunade does.

When his opponents go airborn their only choice is to summon

Tsunade doddges lava

no body will stand their and wait for the sand to cover them. The Sannin/summonings would run and evade and break free. How would you sand coffin Katasyu??

With 3 Boss Toads giving him time when one toad barely did then Jiryria can go in SM and use Frog Song

Tsunade >Mei

Tsunade can heal and through a LETAHL punch
Mei can just attack from long ranged like Garra or and hide them in the mist

[Cult of Personality]

When his opponents go airborn their only choice is to summonEven if that were true, which it isn't, Gaara and Mei have no reason to go airborn.


Tsunade doddges lavaProve it.

no body will stand their and wait for the sand to cover them. Just because they don't stand around doesn't mean they won't get caught.

The Sannin/summonings would run and evade and break free. Prove it.

How would you sand coffin Katasyu??
With sand.

With 3 Boss Toads giving him time when one toad barely did then Jiryria can go in SM and use Frog Song

Ignoring the fact that Jiraiya won't be summoning anything, the boss frogs can be instantly taken out of the fight by simply destroying their legs. Jiraiya gets sand coffined before Sage Mode or Frog Song ever enter the picture,

Tsunade >Mei
Yeah, no.

Tsunade can heal and through a LETAHL punch
Prove that Tsunade can regenerate from having her head melted off.

[PrinceofPeace]

Garra goes in the air to avoid swamp of the underworld

Prove lava would hit Tsunade.

That does not mean they will get caught either. Good luck capturing 3 boss toads with sand while they hope around and you have to defend from their attacks.

Prove that the sand will even capture them or hold down the summonings

Katyasu divdes herself now he has to use sand and get every last slug. Not to mention the sand has to withstand the acid

WIthout the frog legs they can still use jutsu. Jirryia can escape sand by going into toads mouth, Toad Flatness — Shadow Manipulation Technique on Mei or Toad

HOW IS MEI STRONGER THAN TSUNADE... (debate on another thread in pools)

that is not the point. She can still heal Jiryria



Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique on top of enemies

[Cult of Personality]

Garra goes in the air to avoid swamp of the underworldJiraiya will be too busy getting Sand Coffined to use Swamp of the Underworld.

Prove lava would hit Tsunade. You say Tsunade can dodge lava, you prove it.

That does not mean they will get caught either. So prove they won't get caught.

Good luck capturing 3 boss toads with sand while they hope around and you have to defend from their attacks.Toads are not known for their speed.

Prove that the sand will even capture them or hold down the summonings
Prove they can dodge. Prove the summonings are strong enough to avoid being crushed.

Katyasu divdes herselfTsunade would never summon Katsuyu, so Katsuyu won't be doing any dividing.

WIthout the frog legs they can still use jutsu But they can't aim those jutsus, so Gaara and Mei just move behind or to the sides and presto changeo, theyre safe from anything the toads can do.


Jirryia can escape sand by going into toads mouthThe toads he won't be summoning you mean?


Toad Flatness Shadow Manipulation Technique on Mei or ToadSo he hides for awhile, doing nothing. And when he stops hiding, Sand Coffin.

HOW IS MEI STRONGER THAN TSUNADEMeis superiority has already been established.

She can still heal Jiryria
Hows she gonna heal Jiraiya if her heads been lavaed off.

Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique on top of enemies They dodge and Jiraiya gets sand coffined while he's focusing on summoning.

[PrinceofPeace]

Swamp of the underworld needs 2 hand signs which is not much and is very quick.
Jiryria can run away while using it or Tsunade takes the hit and tries to punch the sand or summonn Katasyu in front of the sand

It depends on distance but about weakened saskue was able to avoid the lava which is equal to lee gate 1 which is about where Tsunade is. YOU PROVE SHE WOULD GET Hit

Prove that they would not get caught

But Toads are known for hoping the high heights

They hop to dodge and attack with water/oil and their weapons to not get caught in
sand

WIth an airborn opponent and kage level ninja she would summon

they can aim how can they not? they just have to roll

Jiryria can summon toads against kage level and airborn ninja

Still a way to go into sage mode and hide even for a while

No it has not you just did not prove that Mei is faster

How does Mei use lava when she gives Tsunade time with hand seals to dodge or for Mei to get hit

Summoning does not take that long. And Garra would have a hanful with a falling toad

[Cult of Personality]

So what you're saying is, you've got nothing and you're just going to repeat the same crap that's already been discarded over and over.

When you want to start supporting your claims with actual evidence let me know.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well that is what you are doing and I am just following the leader

You have not supported your claims either

[Cult of Personality]

I support the claims that need to be supported. You claim that Tsunade can dodge Mei's lava, you prove it. It's not my job to prove she can't.

You claim Tsunade and Jiraiya are for some idiotic reason immune to being sand coffined, you prove it. It's not my job to prove they aren't immune.

You have completely failed to substantiate any claim you've made in any credible way and consequently you lose.

[PrinceofPeace]

I did match her speed with others. You did not prove how lava hits her.

I did not say immune but they can get away

And you are soooo against summmonings like they are impossible

You have not given credited info and facts etither

FALSE

[Cult of Personality]

That's not proof. Once more. Chapter and page numbers.

I don't need to provide proof that Gaara can control sand. Nor do I need to prove that Mei has a Kekei Genkai that lets her spit lava. These facts are self evident.

If all you're going to do is wank and complain about me not providing proof to claims that don't need proof, then piss off.

[PrinceofPeace]

You have given no chaps. NOR page #

You said that lava is fast enough to hit Tsunade and that sand coffin will be able to catch and hold Toad bosses though

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Prince of Peace either learn what the burden of proof of is or get the hell out of the verses section

sweet christ dude first your claiming the sharigan can beat super saiyans now your failing to grasp the basics of how to put forward a friggen argument?

[Ultimate combatant]

In all of the fights that Jiraiya was in or at least most of them, Jiraiya used summoning Jutsu. I don't think he wouldn't use it here.

Tsunade won't do much against Mei. Perhaps she gets rescued by summons or perhaps not.

Jiraiya knows Gaara is Kazekage and his power. It's hard to tell whether he knows Mizukage but either way, he'll know not to underestimate them. It is very likely he will try to stall for 5 minutes to Enter Sage Mode while summons and Tsunade would stall. Considering Jiraiya managed to enter Sage Mode when fighting Chikushodo, I think he can do so against those two plus with summons and Tsunade to stall.

Ultimately, it comes down to Mei and Gaara vs Jiraiya.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Dear Lord, what has happened to my thread? `:shock:

I think I'll jump back in:

First off, I don't think it's ridiculous that Tsunade would boss summon, it's slightly ooc, but saying she won't summon just because she doesn't feel like it is a pretty poor argument, especially if she sees that the battle is not going well. However, this all depends on her surviving the first couple seconds of battle and I don't see her (or base Jiraiya for that matter) being fast enough to escape a sand coffin from Gaara. For his sand's speed feats read the Kage Summit chapters.

Most of the Sannin supporters seem to base their argument on the strategy of Jiraiya summoning and having the toads stall Gaara (and Mei) long enough for him to enter SM. The problem here is that Jiraiya has never been shown to be able to summon more than one Boss Frog at a time and Gaara has a desert full of sand to work with. Gaara could easily bury the Boss Frog or at least cripple it by breaking its legs with the amount of sand he has at his disposal. Then it's just a matter of catching and crushing Jiraiya and Jiraiya has no speed feats to show that he can escape from Gaara's (gourd) sand. This is without even throwing Mei into the mix.

[Cult of Personality]

Who ever said Tsunade wouldn't summon simply because she doesn't feel like it?

[Godaime Kazekage]

What makes you think she would summon Katsuyu in the first place? Shes only ever summoned Katsuyu once in battle, and not until Orochimaru summoned Manda, so unless Mei and Gaara have a boss summon to pull out, Katsuyu wont be making an appearance.

You did-at least indirectly. But I think that we're in agreement that she probably wouldn't live long enough to summon anyway.

[Cult of Personality]

In actuality, my argument was that she wouldn't because it's out of character. Given that the only time she's ever summoned Katsuyu was in response to Orochimaru summoning Manda, and she has conspicuously failed to do so against Madara, I don't foresee her using Katsuyu without the opponent busting out a giant summon of their own.

[Godaime Kazekage]

In actuality, my argument was that she wouldn't because it's out of character. Given that the only time she's ever summoned Katsuyu was in response to Orochimaru summoning Manda, and she has conspicuously failed to do so against Madara, I don't foresee her using Katsuyu without the opponent busting out a giant summon of their own.

To be fair, vs. Orochimaru is the only fight she's been shown in before the fight against Madara and she started summoning Katsuyu before Orochimaru started summoning Manda. I don't think it's inordinately out of character for her to summon Katsuyu, especially against two high level opponents. (Not sure why she hasn't summoned Katsuyu against Madara yet-although it did look like she was about to summon her when Madara had his final Susano'o out)

[PrinceofPeace]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT... but i would like to add

She did summon katasyu against pain ( to help heal villagers and give one to naruto)

Summoning Katyasu against Madara would not be much help due to the army of Susanoo it would be better to be low and small so she would be harder to hit

it would not do much agaisnt Perfect susanoo
Tsunade did not have a lot of chakra
katasyu would have been useless when Madara did the advent of following trees

But Overall it is not IMPOSSIBLE for Tsunade to summon katyasu

[Cult of Personality]

Tsunade was in a non-combat role. Different standards apply compared to Orochimaru, where she was actively engaged in the battle.

Not like it matters, really. Katsuyu is totally useless one way or the other. Still. If you're gonna claim that Tsunade will summon Katsuyu, you're going to need evidence. Evidence that does not, in fact, exist.

No one ever said it was impossible for Tsunade to summon Katsuyu. Just that she wouldn't. Stop trying to Straw man.

[PrinceofPeace]

WAIT...??? How was Tsunade in a non-combat role???

Katsuyu is a HUGE HELP
it can help heal others
be hard to kill
split into multiple slugs
and spit acid

[Cult of Personality]

Was she throwing punches? No?

How about kunai? No?

Was she perhaps using her mastery of lightning jutsus and her transplanted Sharingan to battle? No, that was Kakashi.

But surely she was using her mastery of the Eight Gates...no, that was Gai.

She was teaming up with her faithful hound...no that was Tsume Inuzuka.

Perhaps she was using her secret clan jutsu to make her fists grow to giant size...no that was the Akimichis.

She was, in fact, sitting on some sort of fancy seal and using it to transmit her healing to people through Katsuyu (meaning that Katsuyu was not the one healing, and does not, in fact, have any method of healing). That sounds an awful lot like non-combat to me.

Katsuyu is no help at all because A: She won't be summoned in the first place and B: Even if she were to be summoned, she couldn't prevent Gaara from Sand Coffining Tsunade, nor Mei from lavaing her head off.

P.S. Katsuyu can't spit acid when divided.

[PrinceofPeace]

that was during the Pain fight

What about when she fought Oro? She started to summon Kataysu first?

[Cult of Personality]

Maybe it was. That don't change the fact that she wasn't acting in a combat role. She was acting in a supportive role.

Do you know the difference between combative and supportive? I'll give you a hint. One involves sitting on your ass and using healing jutsus and the other doesn't.

A guy with boss summons. Things that Gaara and Mei don't have.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsunade was in a combative mode. She fought Kabuto and took a blade to the chest for Naruto.

When Tsunade has had enough she will summon Katasyu.

Plus Tsunade is with Jiryria so just like when they fought Oro n Kabuto and when they fought in the wars she is HIGHLY LIKELY to summon Katasyu

Why are you so adamant about Tsunade not using Katasyu are you scared she will win with the,?

[Cult of Personality]

Tsunade was in a combative mode. She fought Kabuto and took a blade to the chest for Naruto.

Fascinating. How does that change the fact that she wasn't in combative mode when Pain attacked Konoha?

When Tsunade has had enough she will summon Katasyu.
Supposing that were true which, you know, it isn't, Tsunade would die looooooooooooooooong before she reached "enough".

Plus Tsunade is with Jiryria so just like when they fought Oro n Kabuto and when they fought in the wars she is HIGHLY LIKELY to summon Katasyu
Not unless her opponent has a summon of equal size and/or power. Unless, of course, you can provide manga evidence to support your claim.

Why are you so adamant about Tsunade not using Katasyu are you scared she will win with the,?Why are you so adamant on being an idiot? I have stated several times that Tsunade would die with or without Katsuyu. I am merely opposing it because you are the one dragging it on like it matters.

[PrinceofPeace]

I am not talking about the Pain fight. She would not try and heal sooo many ppl in a time like this

Now look who is not explaining.... how would she die. Jiryria would use his summonings so why not Tsunade

They do not have summons but why would you take pitty on someone if you have a trump card.

So from now on lets say Katsuyu is summonend

[Cult of Personality]

I am not talking about the Pain fight. She would not try and heal sooo many ppl in a time like this

We are discussing the Pain fight. You are trying to change the subject because...I have no idea. Because you can't convince me that your wank is accurate I suppose.

Now look who is not explaining.... how would she die. As you are well aware, I've outlined how Tsunade would die numerous times throughout this thread. E.G. Gaara sand coffins or Mei lavas her head.

They do not have summons but why would you take pitty on someone if you have a trump card.
If they don't have summons, then Katsuyu won't be making an appearance.

And don't lie. Katsuyu is not a trump card.


So from now on lets say Katsuyu is summonendI will make this concession if you agree that from now on we say that Jiraiya and Tsunade start the fight dead.

P.S. I've reported you for trolling. :)

[PrinceofPeace]

You do not want to talk about the Oro fight but I will talk about the Pain fight. She was in a non-combative role their. BUT when she was going to take on Pain before Naruto stoped her she did have a lil Katasuyu ready to go into battle with

Tsunade and Mei are about equal speeds there is no proof to tell which one is faster. I believe Tsunade is because it takes time for Mei to make hand seals. Since lava is a mid-short range attack like Boil Tsunade has time to run away. If Garra uses sand coffin she summons katasuyu just like Naruto used his summoning to break free.

If we were to fight and I had a gun and you did not I would use the gun to fight you. When it is life or death you would not take pitty on your foe. Garra's sand can make them hard to attack so they would have to use a summoning

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[Cult of Personality]

She was in a non-combative role their. I love being right. I doubt you've ever had the pleasure, idiot that you are.

Tsunade and Mei are about equal speedsProve it.


If Garra uses sand coffin she summons katasuyu just like Naruto used his summoning to break free.
Two problems here:

1: As previously established, she wouldn't summon Katsuyu.
2: In the unlikely event that that tactic does work, there's nothing stopping Gaara from trying again. And without the benefit of a magically appearing slug, she dies.

If we were to fight and I had a gun and you did not I would use the gun to fight you. When it is life or death you would not take pitty on your foe.Except for the part where we aren't discussing real life, we are discussing fiction. Not just any fiction, but shonen fiction. Your claim contradicts basically every fight in the entire genre. Nobody ever uses their best move right out of the gate.

Garra's sand can make them hard to attack so they would have to use a summoningCan you support this claim?

NOOOOOOOOOOO worries, for the rest of your daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays. It's our problem freeeeeee, philosophyyyyy. Hakuna Matata. ♪♪♪♪


P.S. If we were to fight, I would win because I'm far too sexy to be killed by bullets.

[PrinceofPeace]

I did prove it which you have not. You just say prove it like you give all of this exact info. The only real movement we have seen from Tsuande is keeping up with Kabuto. All Mei has done is kick a zetsu when it was not looking

Tsunade can flow into the slug. WHY CAN SHE NOT SUMMON KATASYU

how else would you go about fighting Garra

[Cult of Personality]

You've provided no proof whatsoever. All you've done is wank. I've provided all the proof I am required to.


Tsunade can flow into the slug.Got any proof?

WHY CAN SHE NOT SUMMON KATASYU
Straw man. I never said she couldn't summon Katsuyu, I said she wouldn't.

how else would you go about fighting Garra That's not supporting, that's just conjecture. Some sort of factoral evidence is necessary.

And for the love of Satan, his name is Gaara not Garra.

[Wooster]

Mei also gob smacked Madara with water.

[Shikamaru Nara]

You've provided no proof whatsoever. All you've done is wank. I've provided all the proof I am required to.


Got any proof?

Straw man. I never said she couldn't summon Katsuyu, I said she wouldn't.

That's not supporting, that's just conjecture. Some sort of factoral evidence is necessary.

And for the love of Satan, his name is Gaara not Garra.

Garra wins because he's stronger.

[Cult of Personality]

Not helping. :mad: ;)

[Shikamaru Nara]

But...but...I like Garra. :(

[Wooster]

This fight is in base form? Tsuande has no chance. Poor Jiraiya he is paired with a dud. :lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

Why wouldn't she use Katusyu? Tsunade does not have to stay in her vase form

[Cult of Personality]

We've already been over this. Do you have anything original and/or intelligent to contribute?

[PrinceofPeace]

the summonings play a vital role in the battle. Without them the battle is pointless

[Cult of Personality]

So that's a no.

[PrinceofPeace]

Without summonings they lose
with summonings they win

[Cult of Personality]

Yeah, no. The summons provide no real help in any way.

[Wooster]

Tsunade can hide in her slug and avoid damage.
Once she gets into hulk mode, she is pretty much invincible.

[Cult of Personality]

Maybe, maybe not. Even if she can she won't. She's never used that tactic before and I can't see any reason she should this time.

Byakugo is also off the table. She won't use it on anyone less powerful than Madara.

In any event, she'd die long before either of these took place anyway, so it hardly matters.

[Wooster]

OP doesn't say in character. So we assume intent to kill, meaning what ever is plausible can happen.

So she will use all she can, and thus can win because Kishi overpowered her.

The question is can Tsuande get in her slug in time. Probably so for Gaaara because Gaara is insanely slow(including his sand). Mei can shoot her lava faster than Sasuke can react.
So I say Tsuande is fried before she can summon and jump in her slug. But it's close.

[Cult of Personality]

OP doesn't say out of character, so in character is the default. And in character, Tsunade won't use all of the means available to her.

Gaara's sand can block Amaterasu. Not really insanely slow.

[Wooster]

Default is intent to kill, not in character :ugeek:

That has nothing to do with speed. Even Lee in base form can move faster than it. Soo insanely slow.

[Cult of Personality]

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88740

All contestants are in character but with killing intent:ugeek:


Even Lee in base form can move faster than it. Soo insanely slow.

That was back in Part 1. You sayin he hasn't gotten stronger since his fight with Lee? Cause that's bullplop.

[PrinceofPeace]

With knowledge of Garra and Mei Tsunade would use summonings especially when Jiryria is there. They used it together in the War

With Garra rising to the sky the only way to battle him is with a summoning.
It would be foolish for them to sit there

[Wooster]

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88740

:ugeek:




That was back in Part 1. You sayin he hasn't gotten stronger since his fight with Lee? Cause that's bullplop.
Did you not see the "but with?" THat is a modifer, meaning not in character. Tsunade wants to kill them not die herself, so she will use tactics to win. To say anything else is specious.

Getting stronger does not equal sand speed increasing. Show one time were we have direct time measurement of his sand speed increase.

His using it as a block against A and Sasuke doess't count because we have no idea when he arrived.

[lakira]

Jiraiya kills Tsunade for sucking.
Jiraiya kills himself for touching Tsunade.
you funny !!! hahahahaha (asian accent)

[Cult of Personality]

Did you not see the "but with?" THat is a modifer, meaning not in character. Tsunade wants to kill them not die herself, so she will use tactics to win. To say anything else is specious. In character but with intent to kill means they are willing to kill their opponent, even if they would not normally do so (e.g. Sanji vs a female) while still using the same tactics that they always do.

It does not mean that they instantly stop acting like themselves and use the best possible moves they have right out of the gate.

That's why it's a modifier and not a completelyrewritetheirpersonalitiesifier.

Because it modifies a set condition. It doesn't completely exempt it.

[Wooster]

In character but with intent to kill means they are willing to kill their opponent, even if they would not normally do so (e.g. Sanji vs a female) while still using the same tactics that they always do.

It does not mean that they instantly stop acting like themselves and use the best possible moves they have right out of the gate.

That's why it's a modifier and not a completelyrewritetheirpersonalitiesifier.

Because it modifies a set condition. It doesn't completely exempt it.They will use tactics that will allow them to not die.

You AND the Prince both foolishly suggest one would not use there best attack because of a weakness of an opponent, but then go on to state a loss. Perhaps you may chew on this pathetic argument and those that use it. If you opponent is better than you, you will use the strongest attack availble. End of story.

But there is more. The reason for this state of mind is that before it was bloodlusted and people use that to state the natural intelligence no longer applies and he would run into a death trap. The state of mind only means that no one is stupid and will use any means necessary to win. Why? Becuase they have intent to kill.

So, good job. You are wrong in both the letter and spirit of the rule. :mrgreen:

[Cult of Personality]

No, you're still wrong. Even if the rule for some reason put Byakugo back on the table, that doesn't mean that Tsunade will instantly decide to use it. She's willing to do what it takes to win in Naruto, including severely injure herself for the opportunity, but she only ever used Byakugo against Madara, an apocalypticly powerful opponent.

Like I said before, in character but with intent to kill means they are willing to kill their opponent, even if they would not normally do so (e.g. Sanji vs a female) while still using the same tactics that they always do.

She'll stick with basis fisticuffs for starters. In the event she lives that long, she'll then use Creation Rebirth to heal any wounds she may have incurred. Supposing against all odds she manages to survive long enough to say "If I don't use X I'll die!", then she will use Byakugo.

This is called in character because it is the pattern that Tsunade in the series would follow.

Similarly, Deidara would never automatically resort to spamming C0, nor Pain Chibaku Tensei, nor the Sauce Kirin.

If she were out of character, she would do as you say, but since she is not out of character, she will be following the patterns has displayed to this point.

Argue as you like, it don't make you any less wrong.

[PrinceofPeace]

Agreeing with ur Creation of Rebirth theory BUT

She would easily summon her slugs before that point where she uses Creation of Rebirth.

Why would she not summmon

[Cult of Personality]

We've already been over that, Sally. Piss off until you can provide a real contribution.

[PrinceofPeace]

Sannin win with summonings... all I am saying

[Cult of Personality]

No one cares about how inbred you are PrinceofPeace, the fact that your father is also your grandfather is not something to brag about.

[PrinceofPeace]

With A slug and at best 3 toad bosses it will be hard for Gaara to use Sand coffin on all of them

[Wooster]

No, you're still wrong. Even if the rule for some reason put Byakugo back on the table, that doesn't mean that Tsunade will instantly decide to use it. She's willing to do what it takes to win in Naruto, including severely injure herself for the opportunity, but she only ever used Byakugo against Madara, an apocalypticly powerful opponent.

Like I said before, in character but with intent to kill means they are willing to kill their opponent, even if they would not normally do so (e.g. Sanji vs a female) while still using the same tactics that they always do.

She'll stick with basis fisticuffs for starters. In the event she lives that long, she'll then use Creation Rebirth to heal any wounds she may have incurred. Supposing against all odds she manages to survive long enough to say "If I don't use X I'll die!", then she will use Byakugo.

This is called in character because it is the pattern that Tsunade in the series would follow.

Similarly, Deidara would never automatically resort to spamming C0, nor Pain Chibaku Tensei, nor the Sauce Kirin.

If she were out of character, she would do as you say, but since she is not out of character, she will be following the patterns has displayed to this point.

Argue as you like, it don't make you any less wrong.Whatever you say Cult of Peace.
Brilliant reasoning.