Danzo vs. GAARA

[PrinceofPeace]

In character

Location: Where Saskue and Danzo fought

distance: garra and danzo are 367ft away ( but dont stay there they can move closer)

ALLL FEATS

[Wooster]

Koto GG

[TheBlackChidori]

From 367 feet away? Show me some feats for that ability, sir. Never known an eye genjutsu to work from that far off.

But either way, if Gaara Sand Tsunamis, cant Danzo just Izanagi behind him and seal him?

[Wooster]

That's only a football field. Not far away at all.
All that is needed is line of sight, which is apt on a bridge :ugeek:

In anycase, doens't matter as Izanagi lets Danzo run right up to Gaara. If Gaara takes to the air, Baku sucks him right out.

[TheBlackChidori]

Its a football field and 22+ yards, that's not eye contact distance. Normal humans have 20/20 vision, 20/10 at best. I hope you're not implying that Danzo has 20/.05 vision.

If I drew an inch-sized letter on the field goal post on one side of the football field, and had you stand about 20 feet behind the other goal post, would you be able to possibly tell me what letter that was?

[Wooster]

You're saying Danzo can see Gaara at that distance? `:P

You can see someones eyes certainly; who ever said you have to see the whites?

[TheBlackChidori]

He can see him, but there's no eye contact. Kakashi and Itachi have both specifically stated that if you don't look directly into the Sharigan, it won't effect you. Koto is a bit more difficult to discern since it can be used behind a bandage, but as it stands, no eye genjutsu has a range past 20 yards at best.

For that matter, when does Gaara not have a giant block of sand in front of him? He's seen enough Uchiha to be on the defensive side. Unless you're saying Danzo can Koto through walls.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Simple Gaara crushes Danzo's sharingan arm before he can use it with his sand and while he's at it he can crush the rest of him too.

[Taka-hebi1]

No Danzo's Wind style is able to cut through things with ease how about gaara's sand defense?
Gaara's Sand Vs.Danzo's windstyle.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

No Danzo's Wind style is able to cut through things with ease how about gaara's sand defense?
Gaara's Sand Vs.Danzo's windstyle.

I'm pretty sure that if wind style could get through his sand that Temari would never have been afraid of him and besides his sand can withstand the Amaterasu, the flames that are supposed to be able to burn through anything so I'm pretty sure that he can handle Donzo's wind style.

[Frost ninja]

All feats meaning Danzo breaking susanoo with wind, something Gaara's sand couldn't do?
And Bind touch?
And also theres the whole lack of knowledge for Gaara about izanagi.
And the boss summon.

Plus theres the playable idea of reverse seal and izanagi in a combo, allowing him to blip Gaara and then phase back in. He's reacted to susanoo arrows, one point even growing a tree to deflect one.

Gaara's best speed feats, or attack speed feats?

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

All feats meaning Danzo breaking susanoo with wind, something Gaara's sand couldn't do?
And Bind touch?
And also theres the whole lack of knowledge for Gaara about izanagi.
And the boss summon.

Plus theres the playable idea of reverse seal and izanagi in a combo, allowing him to blip Gaara and then phase back in. He's reacted to susanoo arrows, one point even growing a tree to deflect one.

Gaara's best speed feats, or attack speed feats?

Gaara's sand can withstand an attack from Madara's sassuno and also snatched madara out of his sassuno. Gaara has also been able to stop a giant meteor created by madara with his sand.

Also, once again crushes his freakishly eyeballed arm and while he's at it crushes the rest of him along with it.:evil:

Do you remember the movie Romeo Must Die, well this is the sequel called Danzo Must Die and if Gaara can't do it I will. However, I do believe that Gaara is more that strong enough to kill Danzo himself.

[Frost ninja]

Gaara's sand can withstand an attack from Madara's sassuno and also snatched madara out of his sassuno. Gaara has also been able to stop a giant meteor created by madara with his sand.

Also, once again crushes his freakishly eyeballed arm and while he's at it crushes the rest of him along with it.:evil:

Do you remember the movie Romeo Must Die, well this is the sequel called Danzo Must Die and if Gaara can't do it I will. However, I do believe that Gaara is more that strong enough to kill Danzo himself.

I'll need chapters. Also none of that equates to speed. If he can resist things, thats fine. If he can't avoid them from his lack of knowledge, thats another thing.

And then gets bind-touched into reverse seal/izanagi combo.

Best of luck. I'll need feats.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

I'll need chapters. Also none of that equates to speed. If he can resist things, thats fine. If he can't avoid them from his lack of knowledge, thats another thing.

And then gets bind-touched into reverse seal/izanagi combo.

Best of luck. I'll need feats.

I don't know the chapter numbers, but I know you can find them. my point is that if he can withstand an attack from Madara then Danzo's wind style means nothing. As for speed feats, I de believe that he caught Madara with this sand when they tried to seal him, don't quote me on that because I'll have to check first, but if I'm remembering it right then as we all know Madara is much faster than Danzo will ever be.

He also caught what's his name, the second Mizukage, forgot what the dudes name was, but pretty darn fast himself and using a form of Genjutsu.

Also Izanagi only put the USER in an illusion that basically, how do I explain it, makes the user believe that they are not dead. For example if someone where to stab them in the heart then Izanagi will make then believe that they are not to the point where it doesn't actually affect them, it doesn't actually do anything to the opponent and I'm not actually sure that such a jutsu would stop you from dying if your entire body was crushed by sand. However, I didn't really care much for the Danzo fight so I'll have to go back and read that.

[PrinceofPeace]

Garra wins with some difficulty. He would be freak out over Izangmi but other than that he is safe from the sky

[Kioroshi.]

Danzo wins,He cannot possibly lose.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Danzo wins,He cannot possibly lose.

If Gaara can hold his ground against Madara then Danzo will be a cake walk, just saying.

Oh and to those of you whom were wondering I went back and found out that Gaara did catch Madara with his sand a few times and since Madara is WAY faster than Danzo then I think catching Danzo with his sand would be easy.

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo wins,He cannot possibly lose.

I demand Explanation please

[Frost ninja]

I don't know the chapter numbers, but I know you can find them. my point is that if he can withstand an attack from Madara then Danzo's wind style means nothing. As for speed feats, I de believe that he caught Madara with this sand when they tried to seal him, don't quote me on that because I'll have to check first, but if I'm remembering it right then as we all know Madara is much faster than Danzo will ever be.

Not really, no. Madara hasn't shown any spectacular feats at all aside from power-strikes. Madara got hit by Tsunade, so Gaara's sand catching him doesn't mean much of anything at all.

He also caught what's his name, the second Mizukage, forgot what the dudes name was, but pretty darn fast himself and using a form of Genjutsu.

No speed feats, and nothing about catching him really boiled down to "fast sand" so much as "outsmarted Jokey Boy"

Also Izanagi only put the USER in an illusion that basically, how do I explain it, makes the user believe that they are not dead. For example if someone where to stab them in the heart then Izanagi will make then believe that they are not to the point where it doesn't actually affect them, it doesn't actually do anything to the opponent and I'm not actually sure that such a jutsu would stop you from dying if your entire body was crushed by sand. However, I didn't really care much for the Danzo fight so I'll have to go back and read that.

Uh... Izanagi is an AoE genjutsu that warps reality to turn anything fatal or otherwise into an illusion. Gaara sand crushes him? Izanagi makes it an illusion. He was tanking Susanoo arrows through his body and then blipped away and kept going. Re-read the fight, Danzo basically makes anything that would kill him or even scratch him non-existant for 10 minutes straight (11 if he wastes suisui's eye). He only needs to fake-die once to land the bind reverse-seal.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Uh... Izanagi is an AoE genjutsu that warps reality to turn anything fatal or otherwise into an illusion. Gaara sand crushes him? Izanagi makes it an illusion. He was tanking Susanoo arrows through his body and then blipped away and kept going. Re-read the fight, Danzo basically makes anything that would kill him or even scratch him non-existant for 10 minutes straight (11 if he wastes suisui's eye). He only needs to fake-die once to land the bind reverse-seal.

obviously you didn't see when Madara first appeared in the war because he showed plenty of speed, plus even if you try not to factor in the the fact that Madara is once again WAY faster than Danzo, Gaara also caught the second Mizukage whom was also faster than Danzo.

[Frost ninja]

obviously you didn't see when Madara first appeared in the war because he showed plenty of speed, plus even if you try not to factor in the the fact that Madara is once again WAY faster than Danzo, Gaara also caught the second Mizukage whom was also faster than Danzo.

This is where we need proofing, because all I saw was him toying with them and not really showing anything too spectacular in the speed category.

Same with the 2nd mizukage (Whose name never was revealed so its no biggie you don't remember :) )

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

This is where we need proofing, because all I saw was him toying with them and not really showing anything too spectacular in the speed category.

Same with the 2nd mizukage (Whose name never was revealed so its no biggie you don't remember :) )

This is what leads me to believe that you see it because when he first showed up, he quickly killed a big chunk of the army and they went out of their way in the manga to try and show you that was moving at extreme speeds.

Now are you sure that you really saw when he First showed up, not when he first started to fight the five Kage but when he first showed up?

As for the second Mizukage, I really don't remember his name, I know he started the whole blood mist village thing, but he had something inside of him that was making him move really fast, I think it was helium or something.

Either way they were both faster than Danzo.

I don't remember the chapter numbers, but if you look them up you will see it.

[Frost ninja]

This is what leads me to believe that you see it because when he first showed up, he quickly killed a big chunk of the army and they went out of their way in the manga to try and show you that was moving at extreme speeds.

Now are you sure that you really saw when he First showed up, not when he first started to fight the five Kage but when he first showed up?

As for the second Mizukage, I really don't remember his name, I know he started the whole blood mist village thing, but he had something inside of him that was making him move really fast, I think it was helium or something.

Either way they were both faster than Danzo.

I don't remember the chapter numbers, but if you look them up you will see it.

Moving at "extreme speeds" is a relative term. "extreme" in comparison to the army of fodder ninjas isn't very fast since PTS Rock Lee was doing the same thing to ninjas of merit.

He doesn't have a name. Its just "the 2nd mizukage". Helium reduced his weight, but he wasn't as fast as susanoo arrows.

But not faster than Danzo's reactions. Certainly not his summoning speed, which would give him enough time to unlock his arm and get 10 minutes of not-death.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Moving at "extreme speeds" is a relative term. "extreme" in comparison to the army of fodder ninjas isn't very fast since PTS Rock Lee was doing the same thing to ninjas of merit.

He doesn't have a name. Its just "the 2nd mizukage". Helium reduced his weight, but he wasn't as fast as susanoo arrows.

But not faster than Danzo's reactions. Certainly not his summoning speed, which would give him enough time to unlock his arm and get 10 minutes of not-death.

I really don't want to say that you are missing the point here because that sound kind of rude however, it was very clear that he was much faster than Lee.

also who has sasuke ever really hit with those arrows, no seriously because I can't remember if he did, so far as I know he always misses with those things.

However, in the end Izanagi warps reality so that you won't die for 10 minutes, but what if Gaara hasn't stopped crushing him in 10 minutes, then what?

Now what if Gaara just keeps crushing the dude until he uses up all his Izanagi's and with his arms not being free he wouldn't possibly be able to summon anything.

*sigh* why can't all debates be this pleasant.

[Frost ninja]

I really don't want to say that you are missing the point here because that sound kind of rude however, it was very clear that he was much faster than Lee.

also who has sasuke ever really hit with those arrows, no seriously because I can't remember if he did, so far as I know he always misses with those things.

However, in the end Izanagi warps reality so that you won't die for 10 minutes, but what if Gaara hasn't stopped crushing him in 10 minutes, then what?

Now what if Gaara just keeps crushing the dude until he uses up all his Izanagi's and with his arms not being free he wouldn't possibly be able to summon anything.

*sigh* why can't all debates be this pleasant.

Its not a matter of who he has hit, but the speed of which they move. They glanced Danzo, but he managed to avoid it by growing a tree out of his arm. Still, someone calculated it to be around supersonic/supersonic+ because of some sonic-boom type deal when its launched or something.

As far as PTS Lee goes, its just something to note that moving fast in comparison to a slug doesn't make you fast when someone from the previous generation did it with people like Kakashi watching him.

The ideal I think your getting at is if he keeps Danzo locked down the entire time which is a fair gamble. I'd go for the suprise factor, but if he launches sensor sand then its a given.

Danzo's main chance is abusing Gaara's lack of knowledge of izanagi, especially since he seems to have close-range teleporting capbilities while blipping out of death. If he touches Gaara, then its Danzo's win since from there is all about seal and stab/reverse seal.

Its pretty casual, I will admit.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Its not a matter of who he has hit, but the speed of which they move. They glanced Danzo, but he managed to avoid it by growing a tree out of his arm. Still, someone calculated it to be around supersonic/supersonic+ because of some sonic-boom type deal when its launched or something.

As far as PTS Lee goes, its just something to note that moving fast in comparison to a slug doesn't make you fast when someone from the previous generation did it with people like Kakashi watching him.

The ideal I think your getting at is if he keeps Danzo locked down the entire time which is a fair gamble. I'd go for the suprise factor, but if he launches sensor sand then its a given.

Danzo's main chance is abusing Gaara's lack of knowledge of izanagi, especially since he seems to have close-range teleporting capbilities while blipping out of death. If he touches Gaara, then its Danzo's win since from there is all about seal and stab/reverse seal.

Its pretty casual, I will admit.

well there is the factor of Gaara's automatic defense and I thought he couldn't unse the reverse seal unless he was about to die and I don't mean Izanagi saved die I mean actually die. So with that wouldn't that mean they both lose OR if Gaara turned his entire body to sand to get away when he uses it then wouldn't Gaara win since Danzo is now dead?

[Frost ninja]

Theres no proofing that he can only reverse seal when he is near-death.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Theres no proofing that he can only reverse seal when he is near-death.

Actually that's exactly what it says in the moves description it says This technique is a fūinjutsu that the user places across their chest, and sets it to activate upon their death. The technique releases four symbols from the user's body that then form a large, black sphere around them. Anything caught inside the sphere's area is then drawn in and sealed within the user's corpse.

[Frost ninja]

Actually that's exactly what it says in the moves description it says This technique is a fūinjutsu that the user places across their chest, and sets it to activate upon their death. The technique releases four symbols from the user's body that then form a large, black sphere around them. Anything caught inside the sphere's area is then drawn in and sealed within the user's corpse.

Yes, however theres nothing stopping him from doing it and doing izanagi as well.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Yes, however theres nothing stopping him from doing it and doing izanagi as well.

No it does not, but he has to be actually dying to use it, it specifically says that it seals the enemy in his corpse, you can't be a corpse when you are still alive.

[Frost ninja]

No it does not, but he has to be actually dying to use it, it specifically says that it seals the enemy in his corpse, you can be a corpse when you are still alive.

He exists a bit after death before blipping, so he can seal them in his illusion corpse and then blip it out of existance, meaning the sealed is out of existance as well.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

He exists a bit after death before blipping, so he can seal them in his illusion corpse and then blip it out of existance, meaning the sealed is out of existance as well.

Ok I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't understand a word of what you just said and I can't properly defend my case if I don't understand what I'm trying to defend against.

So could you try and explain that one more time?

[TheBlackChidori]

Hota is pretty good at this.

[Frost ninja]

Basically izanagi works like

Skewered by susanoo arrow -> dead -> reappears a bit later
Example that he was crushed by a susanoo fist, and he bled through the hand but he still blipped back into it. Not until he died though.

So theres a corpse before he returns.

@TBC
I know. I'm impressed. I can't win on my side, I'm just waiting for her to say the two magic words and its done.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Basically izanagi works like

Skewered by susanoo arrow -> dead -> reappears a bit later
Example that he was crushed by a susanoo fist, and he bled through the hand but he still blipped back into it. Not until he died though.

So theres a corpse before he returns.

@TBC
I know. I'm impressed. I can't win on my side, I'm just waiting for her to say the two magic words and its done.

Oh, now I get it, well I guess that all depends on if he can even catch Gaara with it in the first place.

Also, once again I am confused, are you saying that I won or something?

Was I supposed to say I win? or Gaara wins?

[Opacityzero]

Danzo wins, he can even use Koto if he needs to.

With full intel, Gaara know's he's going to have to strike fast, hard and often however imo it won't be enough. Gaara's techniques are mainly large, powerhoused ones. Unfortunately that strategy won't work against Danzo due to having 10+ lives and the ability to negate any attack. The faster of Gaara's techniques can be evaded by his Body Flicker and if worse comes to worse, blocked with a tree. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami. His Juuinjutsu technique is useless in this scenario.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Danzo wins, he can even use Koto if he needs to.

With full intel, Gaara know's he's going to have to strike fast, hard and often however imo it won't be enough. Gaara's techniques are mainly large, powerhoused ones. Unfortunately that strategy won't work against Danzo due to having 10+ lives and the ability to negate any attack. The faster of Gaara's techniques can be evaded by his Body Flicker and if worse comes to worse, blocked with a tree. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami. His Juuinjutsu technique is useless in this scenario.

I will get back to you as soon as I look up everything you just said.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Danzo wins, he can even use Koto if he needs to.

With full intel, Gaara know's he's going to have to strike fast, hard and often however imo it won't be enough. Gaara's techniques are mainly large, powerhoused ones. Unfortunately that strategy won't work against Danzo due to having 10+ lives and the ability to negate any attack. The faster of Gaara's techniques can be evaded by his Body Flicker and if worse comes to worse, blocked with a tree. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami. His Juuinjutsu technique is useless in this scenario.

OK I've got my argument, One Gaara's moves care very wide ranged so just flickering wouldn't get Donza out of anything, secondly if Danzo tries to block with a tree, Gaara's sand will just crush them along with him, gaara is able to alter the terrain with his sand you know. I've already argued my points about Izanagi and the best I've got is continues crushing through the ten minutes that Izanagi last or crushing Danzo's freakishly eyeballed arm. now as for Kotomatsukami, that one was kind of hard, but I came up with something, if Gaara tricks Danzo with a sand clone and makes him waste the attack then he won't be able to use it again during the rest of the fight.

[Frost ninja]

That is a viable counter, especially since its a one shot deal.
:3

[megabbaut]

You know I always debate like this and all I get are trolls that take desperate measures just to not admit their wrong.

Anyway, Danzo should win. I read through every post in the debate and I didn't see anything that counters Baku.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

You know I always debate like this and all I get are trolls that take desperate measures just to not admit their wrong.

Anyway, Danzo should win. I read through every post in the debate and I didn't see anything that counters Baku.

OK, what is Baku? You know what I'll just look it up instead.

[megabbaut]

It's the summon Danzo uses.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

It's the summon Danzo uses.

OK I just looked Baku up and even though his suction power and size are impressive, I just don't see that giving Danzo the win, because as we've all ready said several times that Gaara could crush Danzo's arms and rest of him along with it, but not only that, but Gaara could use his sand to crush Baku too. all he'd have to do is crush all the stone or solid matter around him, like he's done several time and crush it, or he could just prevent Danzo from summoning anything, by crushing him.

[Frost ninja]

Gaara could, in theory, bury Baku and kill him with a wide enough range of attack.

And the two words were "SAND TSUNAMI! D:<"

As long as Gaara has sensor sand out and a wide range of sand on the arena, Danzo wont be able to abuse his port powers.

[megabbaut]

OK I just looked Baku up and even though his suction power and size are impressive, I just don't see that giving Danzo the win, because as we've all ready said several times that Gaara could crush Danzo's arms and rest of him along with it, but not only that, but Gaara could use his sand to crush Baku too. all he'd have to do is crush all the stone or solid matter around him, like he's done several time and crush it, or he could just prevent Danzo from summoning anything, by crushing him.
Since I want to take credit in this debate as well, I'll join the rebuttal.

The thing with crushing Danzo before he summons is that he could very easily activate Izanagi after being crushed and deceive Gaara of winning. He can then blindside Gaara with a wind jutsu and cause Gaara to lose. And even so, with the massive suction power, he would suck up all the sand Gaara manages to bring up.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Since I want to take credit in this debate as well, I'll join the rebuttal.

The thing with crushing Danzo before he summons is that he could very easily activate Izanagi after being crushed and deceive Gaara of winning. He can then blindside Gaara with a wind jutsu and cause Gaara to lose. And even so, with the massive suction power, he would suck up all the sand Gaara manages to bring up.

see you would probably be right, if it wasn't for the fact that Gaara's automatic defense was able to stand up to Madara's sassano while Danzo's wind style broke Sasuke's who is much weaker than Madara so the blindsiding him with wind style probably wouldn't work. Secondly though Baku is big, he's not THAT big, though will say that he would be able to suck up a lot with the amount of Sand Gaara could make, he wouldn't be able to suck it ALL up and even if he could I do believe that it would probably not work out too well if Gaara decides to then use his sand to crush Baku from the inside out.

Also if Gaara had his sensory sand out that Danzo wouldn't be able to surprise him because then he would already know that he is there.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Gaara could, in theory, bury Baku and kill him with a wide enough range of attack.

And the two words were "SAND TSUNAMI! D:<"

As long as Gaara has sensor sand out and a wide range of sand on the arena, Danzo wont be able to abuse his port powers.

Oh, you'd think I'd remember than move with him being my Favorite dude and all, sorry I was kind of slow on that one.

[megabbaut]

see you would probably be right, if it wasn't for the fact that Gaara's automatic defense was able to stand up to Madara's sassano while Danzo's wind style broke Sasuke's who is much weaker than Madara so the blindsiding him with wind style probably wouldn't work. Secondly though Baku is big, he's not THAT big, though will say that he would be able to suck up a lot with the amount of Sand Gaara could make, he wouldn't be able to suck it ALL up and even if he could I do believe that it would probably not work out too well if Gaara decides to then use his sand to crush Baku from the inside out.

Also if Gaara had his sensory sand out that Danzo wouldn't be able to surprise him because then he would already know that he is there.
I don't think Gaara's sand defenses are automatic. He always has to move his hands around to move the sand. When we saw Baku's full size, he was about 10x as big as Sasuke's Susanoo. I'd say he's even bigger than Gamabunta.

Though sand bullets should be able to get through his sand. Kimimaru's finger bullets were able to drill their way through, I'm sure air bullets should be better considering they have much more force put into them.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

I don't think Gaara's sand defenses are automatic. He always has to move his hands around to move the sand. When we saw Baku's full size, he was about 10x as big as Sasuke's Susanoo. I'd say he's even bigger than Gamabunta.

Though sand bullets should be able to get through his sand. Kimimaru's finger bullets were able to drill their way through, I'm sure air bullets should be better considering they have much more force put into them.

Actually it is automatic because when he save Mei from Madara's Sassuno another attacked him and it automatically came up to protect him. It was explained that Gaara's mother was the reason for his automatic defense and not Shukaku and you also have to remember that Gaara was not as strong as he is now when he was fighting Kimimaro.

And despite Baku's size, that still doesn't match up to the fact that Gaara's sand could stand up to Amaterasu the flames that are supposed to be able to burn anything, even fire.

[Frost ninja]

Baku isn't as big as gamabunta...

He fit on the bridge, which sasuke's susanoo was almost big enough to fit on width wise. Height wise, I dont think 20x is a good estimate. I'd say 1.5x the maximum height.

[Cult of Personality]

Kotoamatsumaki. Kill yourself. The end.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Kotoamatsumaki. Kill yourself. The end.

Oh dear god he's still here after all this time, well Cult long as you are here, I might as well tell you that we already went over that and if Gaara makes Danzo waste it by tricking him with a clone then he won't be able to use it anymore.

Now, I'm not trying to be rude, but I hope that in all the time I've been gone that you've learned to explain your reasons behind why you think said person would win.

[megabbaut]

Actually it is automatic because when he save Mei from Madara's Sassuno another attacked him and it automatically came up to protect him. It was explained that Gaara's mother was the reason for his automatic defense and not Shukaku and you also have to remember that Gaara was not as strong as he is now when he was fighting Kimimaro.

And despite Baku's size, that still doesn't match up to the fact that Gaara's sand could stand up to Amaterasu the flames that are supposed to be able to burn anything, even fire.
I can't find the chapter and page where Gaara saved Mei from Susanoo but the wind bullets still have to be taken into consideration.

What his sand has stood up to does not matter when it's being sucked up by Baku, and it's questionable if Gaara can still control it once it's sucked up and swallowed up. There's also the fact that Gaara does not have unlimited sand.

[megabbaut]

Baku isn't as big as gamabunta...

He fit on the bridge, which sasuke's susanoo was almost big enough to fit on width wise. Height wise, I dont think 20x is a good estimate. I'd say 1.5x the maximum height.
His head alone is larger than the bridge.

Compare 479/6 to 430/2 or 374/17.

If Gamabunta is bigger, then Naruto and Jiraiya are now giants.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

I can't find the chapter and page where Gaara saved Mei from Susanoo but the wind bullets still have to be taken into consideration.

What his sand has stood up to does not matter when it's being sucked up by Baku, and it's questionable if Gaara can still control it once it's sucked up and swallowed up. There's also the fact that Gaara does not have unlimited sand.

No it's not unlimited, but with the way he makes his sand and what he makes it from, it might as well be.

[Frost ninja]

Kotoamatsumaki. Kill yourself. The end.

Clone
Or general avoidance.
Also koto hasn't shown the capacity to cause someone to do something so drastic, in fact its most drastic thing is over-riding edo mind control and having someone agree with you.

Outside of that its still a genjutsu based around subliminal mental processes, if the person caught realizes it (as suicide isn't a common thought) theres the possibility to dispelling it. The premise is that you don't know your being manipulated, and while it can make someone block high when they should block low, it requires further proofing to say for sure it can make someone commit suicide.

[PrinceofPeace]

How Can danzo attack Garra in the air??

[PrinceofPeace]

Kotoamatsumaki. Kill yourself. The end.

Takes A LOT OF PREP

[Opacityzero]

Takes A LOT OF PREPHe doesn't use it right off the bat. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

He doesn't use it right off the bat. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami.

OK I'm not trying to be rude, but why does it seem like I have constantly repeat myself on things that have already been talked about?

[PrinceofPeace]

He doesn't use it right off the bat. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami.

Danzo is not fast enought to out run his sand.

Genjutsu would not affect him inside of his sand sphere

Sand Tsunami
Sand Shower
Sand Burial
Gold Dust
Sand Waterfall
Sand Drizzle
Sand Bullet
e.t.c
How does Danzo get passed these attacks??
There is so many ways garra can kill him enough so Izangi wears out

PLUS HOW DOES HE GET HIM IN THE AIR

[Frost ninja]

Don't worry Hota, it'll happen like this a lot. Just sit back and counter anything new. Don't bother with anything older.

And to be fair Gaara can control gold dust somewhat, but its not standard for him to have it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Its ALL FEATS so he can use it

[Frost ninja]

Yes, if gold dust is in the situation he can.
Only it isn't. I can make pies, but that doesn't mean I'll be making pies in combat when I have no materials to do so. Feats are still subject to equipment shortages.

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo is not fast enought to out run his sand.

Genjutsu would not affect him inside of his sand sphere

Sand Tsunami
Sand Shower
Sand Burial
Gold Dust(out)
Sand Waterfall
Sand Drizzle
Sand Bullet
e.t.c
How does Danzo get passed these attacks??
There is so many ways garra can kill him enough so Izangi wears out

PLUS HOW DOES HE GET HIM IN THE AIR

You debated against Gold dust so what about the others

[Frost ninja]

Thats about it. Everything else is sand-based and he can make it. Just gold dust isn't possible without actually having gold dust handy.

[PrinceofPeace]

Sand based or not Garra still wins ( I am sorry are you for or against danzo winning)

[Frost ninja]

I was pressing Danzo to bring out Hota's true argument, but I know Gaara wins just because he can outright deny most of what makes Danzo so potent. As for Baku sucking up all the sand, Gaara can just do what Konan did to Tobi and drop him into a pit.

[PrinceofPeace]

Garra's sand could toss Baku away or choke him or turn him or smash it e.tc.

garra is to up high in the sky to get genjutsu

GARRA WINS

[Opacityzero]

Danzo is not fast enought to out run his sand.

Genjutsu would not affect him inside of his sand sphere

Sand Tsunami
Sand Shower
Sand Burial
Gold Dust
Sand Waterfall
Sand Drizzle
Sand Bullet
e.t.c
How does Danzo get passed these attacks??
There is so many ways garra can kill him enough so Izangi wears out

PLUS HOW DOES HE GET HIM IN THE AIR
He's not gonna attack gaara with Koto when he's in his sand sphere, and that's why he wears him down with Izangi and wind techniques first.

Easily avoids gaara's mainly large, powerhoused jutsus. With Danzo having 10+ lives and the ability to negate any attack. The faster of Gaara's techniques can be evaded by his Body Flicker and some attacks may be blocked by a tree not all but some.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

He's not gonna attack gaara with Koto when he's in his sand sphere, and that's why he wears him down with Izangi and wind techniques first.

Easily avoids gaara's mainly large, powerhoused jutsus. With Danzo having 10+ lives and the ability to negate any attack. The faster of Gaara's techniques can be evaded by his Body Flicker and some attacks may be blocked by a tree not all but some.

I am literally begging you not to repeat yourself, so that I don't have to repeat myself. I am not trying to be know it all, and though I do like to joke around I am not trying to be funny.

Please stop bringing up this argument with this scenario unless you have different view point than what you have already said, because I have already combated this argument.

Now if there is something more to this argument that you haven't expressed yet then please say it so we can move on.

[Opacityzero]

I am literally begging you not to repeat yourself, so that I don't have to repeat myself. I am not trying to be know it all, and though I do like to joke around I am not trying to be funny.

Please stop bringing up this argument with this scenario unless you have different view point than what you have already said, because I have already combated this argument.

Now if there is something more to this argument that you haven't expressed yet then please say it so we can move on.
I didn't quote you, so why are you getting upset about me bringing up a point that I already mentioned? While, the last time I was in this thread. You told me to wait til you go research. Maybe in your mind you combated my argument. I understand what you're saying and I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, just debating. xD I respect your opinion and we can simply agree to disagree on the topic.

[Opacityzero]

OK I've got my argument, One Gaara's moves care very wide ranged so just flickering wouldn't get Donza out of anything, secondly if Danzo tries to block with a tree, Gaara's sand will just crush them along with him, gaara is able to alter the terrain with his sand you know. I've already argued my points about Izanagi and the best I've got is continues crushing through the ten minutes that Izanagi last or crushing Danzo's freakishly eyeballed arm. now as for Kotomatsukami, that one was kind of hard, but I came up with something, if Gaara tricks Danzo with a sand clone and makes him waste the attack then he won't be able to use it again during the rest of the fight.
It depends on what move your talking about, but danzou's body flicker technique can get him out of certain jutsu. Again, it depends whether what kind of sand move he's doing. Where is the proof that it will crush tree, and with what jutsu exactly? Yeah, he can change the terrain but what is your point? Your "solution" against koto is not very plausible he is going to waste his trump card on sand clone. He will use it when gaara very least expects it, and even to be fooled by a sand clone is not very plausible, all his other jutsu would just be in preparation to use it. Koto is actually the reason I believe danzou can beat some of kage.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

It depends on what move your talking about, but danzou's body flicker technique can get him out of certain jutsu. Again, it depends whether what kind of sand move he's doing. Where is the proof that it will crush tree, and with what jutsu exactly? Yeah, he can change the terrain but what is your point? Your "solution" against koto is not very plausible he is going to waste his trump card on sand clone. He will use it when gaara very least expects it, and even to be fooled by a sand clone is not very plausible, all his other jutsu would just be in preparation to use it. Koto is actually the reason I believe danzou can beat some of kage.

Well he could crush a tree with Sand Tsunami, I think that if his sand can crush rocks then it can crush wood. I mean is that he would waste Koto on sand clone if Gaara tricked him into thinking that it was the real him. Also Koto doesn't do much unless it has Mogekyou, plus for it to really have any good effects then Danzo would have had to have had Shisui's other eye which he did not. The worst Koto could do like frost ninja said is make you agree with him during a conversation, it wouldn't get him a win in a fight besides, Gaara would already know about Koto because Danzo used it in the meeting so any unusual thoughts would be ignored.

Also if they are in character doesn't that mean Danzo already wasted Koto in the meeting, if not then OK, but still.

[Frost ninja]

Thats a good point that Gaara does indeed have knowledge of koto from the meeting.
I forgot about that. However, we can't count Danzo out just yet. Koto may not be suicide-grade, but it can make him reconsider the results of his sensor sand.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Thats a good point that Gaara does indeed have knowledge of koto from the meeting.
I forgot about that. However, we can't count Danzo out just yet. Koto may not be suicide-grade, but it can make him reconsider the results of his sensor sand.

True, but as far as I know Danzo does not know about Gaara's Sensor sand so how could he make him doubt something he is not aware of, for all he knows the sand is just there for a wide range of attacks.

[Frost ninja]

Its more a matter of second guessing things in general. Making someone unsure is the next best thing to suicide since they won't be attacking at full power or precision when plagued with indecision.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Its more a matter of second guessing things in general. Making someone unsure is the next best thing to suicide since they won't be attacking at full power or precision when plagued with indecision.

I guess, but Gaara's not the type to doubt himself so if he started to then wouldn't he know that somethings wrong? I believe that his he started doubting himself that he would realize that it is Koto and release the genjutsu.

[Frost ninja]

You never do know, but thats a point for another time.

How can he counter indecision when he doesn't know he is being manipulated? Maybe he feels like its just him being nervous, its not like he hasn't had reason to in the recent chapters.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

You never do know, but thats a point for another time.

How can he counter indecision when he doesn't know he is being manipulated? Maybe he feels like its just him being nervous, its not like he hasn't had reason to in the recent chapters.

Yes in resent chapters when he confronted his father and faced off with the unbelievably poweful Madara. However, against Danzo whom he already knows can effect the way you think, don't you think he would find something wrong with this sudden unusual self doubt he's starting to have, while he is fighting the same man he knows can effect his mind with Koto?

[Frost ninja]

... Or he could always use the sand-eye in his protective dome.
That works too. <_<

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

... Or he could always use the sand-eye in his protective dome.
That works too. <_<

I know, but a lot of people have been talking about how Danzo wouldn't use it while he was in the dome so I was trying to come up with something for that.

[Frost ninja]

Well thats the thing, if he wouldn't use it then you use that for your argument by stating Gaara could launch his offensive from the dome and still keep track of Danzo physically speaking.

If Danzo can't use koto then that eliminates one of his main tools. The only downside is if he blips into Gaara's dome then he could get off a bind without trouble, so you'll have to devise a way around something like that.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Well thats the thing, if he wouldn't use it then you use that for your argument by stating Gaara could launch his offensive from the dome and still keep track of Danzo physically speaking.

If Danzo can't use koto then that eliminates one of his main tools. The only downside is if he blips into Gaara's dome then he could get off a bind without trouble, so you'll have to devise a way around something like that.

Well I don't think that would be very smart, seeing at he's now in a dome full of sand, I mean what if Gaara just uses the sand to teleport himself out and then crush Danzo whom foolishly blipped himself into a dome of sand. I think that would be kind of desperate move and I mean a really despite move.

[PrinceofPeace]

GARRA WINS...

Why because Danzo's Wind attacks are inferior to Garra's sand.
ALSO
How does Danzo hit Garra when hes in the sky if Danzo used a wind attack it would have to travel thus getting weaker

[megabbaut]

^You really need to read previous posts. We already talked about that a long time ago.

[PrinceofPeace]

Care to enligthen PLEASE :)

[Kioroshi.]

I demand Explanation please


Danzo activates izanagi,he comes closer to gaara and tries to seal him when hes killed once,if sand protects gaara danzo uses koto and asks gaara to commit suicide,gaara accepts.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Danzo activates izanagi,he comes closer to gaara and tries to seal him when hes killed once,if sand protects gaara danzo uses koto and asks gaara to commit suicide,gaara accepts.

Danzo's Koto is not strong enough to make you commit suicide, it can only provoke self doubt in this situation which we've already explained, won't work against Gaara.

[megabbaut]

And Gaara can't be affected by Kotoamatsukami when he's in a Sand Sphere.

[Frost ninja]

As far as blipping into the sphere of sand, if he has izanagi on then it wouldn't be a desperate move, in fact it'd be a very strategic move since Gaara would be forced out of his protection in order to get away, and Danzo wouldn't be killed by whatever Gaara hits him with inside of the dome.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

As far as blipping into the sphere of sand, if he has izanagi on then it wouldn't be a desperate move, in fact it'd be a very strategic move since Gaara would be forced out of his protection in order to get away, and Danzo wouldn't be killed by whatever Gaara hits him with inside of the dome.

Maybe or Gaara could just put him in a giant sand prison and crush him every time he comes back with Izanagi.

[Frost ninja]

Maybe or Gaara could just put him in a giant sand prison and crush him every time he comes back with Izanagi.

He has a range of teleportation, so it would be very hard to keep him locked down entirely without putting himself at risk.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

He has a range of teleportation, so it would be very hard to keep him locked down entirely without putting himself at risk.

Oh yes he could, didn't you see that giant sand prison he made against Deidara, are you saying that Danzo can teleport that far?

[Frost ninja]

No but he required not only the tailed beast for that, but also an entire desert's worth of sand, neither of which he has at his disposal at the moment.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

No but he required not only the tailed beast for that, but also an entire desert's worth of sand, neither of which he has at his disposal at the moment.

Actually it was already said that when he did that he was not using the power of the Shukaku. Now trust me I know why you would think so because Shukaku like features in the sand and all and even I thought that it was Shukaku, but it was officially explained that, that was 100% Gaara because Gaara, after his fight with Naruto, no longer wished to use Shukaku's power and instead solely fought on his own strength.

As for the desert issue, the place they are fighting as was basically nothing, but stone and with the way Gaara makes his sand they might as well be in the desert and besides it didn't take the entire desert to make that sand prison, it took a lot don't get me wrong, but not a whole desert.

Lastly Gaara wouldn't need Shukaku for it because Gaara in all truth an honesty got WAY stronger than he ever was when Shukaku was gone, because he no longer had to waste Large amount of chakra on holding him back.

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo activates izanagi,he comes closer to gaara and tries to seal him when hes killed once,if sand protects gaara danzo uses koto and asks gaara to commit suicide,gaara accepts.

Thanks for your explanation but it has ONE MAJOR FLAW...


How does Danzo get closer to Garra when Garra is why up high in the sky launching sand attacks. There is no way danzo can get that close to him.

Even if danzo could Garra would keep attacking and Danzo would be open for attack in the air. Danzo can just teleport next to him after death. But even if he could his sand sensing jutsu would find ant attack where he is.

Any other explanations?????b:P

[TheIndigoFang]

Gaara, I think should win, because he can block almost every attack with sand.

[PrinceofPeace]

Exactly plus hes really high in the air to see where Danzo is coming from

[megabbaut]

This has already been explained earlier ini the thread. Danzo burst through Susanoo with a wind style. He can go through Gaara's sand.

[PrinceofPeace]

1- his wind style was close up to Susanoo so OF COURSE it will do more damage but the wind style has to travel further so the power will decrease

2- Garra can EASILY move out of the way of the wind attacks

3- garras sand can attack the wind style to decrease the damage

Overally Danzo needs to get close range to do any SERIOUS damage

[Kioroshi.]

ROFL at the guy that said danzo's koto has no power to ask someone to commit suicide,since it has never been said it can't.

Ok Prince of peace.Danzo activates izanagi,Gaara goes high in the air and starts launching attacks,Danzo summons baku who sucks all gaaras sand and gaara drops to the floor danzo finishes the job.

Danzo activates izanagi,Gaara goes high in the air and starts launching attacks,danzo is killed and he teleports to gaara and tries to put a seal gaara is shocked by this as he senses danzo behind him and he looks back to see danzo,Now Danzo's sealing didn't succed cuz sand protected gaara on its own, but now that gaara locked back and saw danzo in shock,danzo uses koto and asks gaara to eat all his sand and jump off the one hes standing on.gaara accepts and dies.

[Frost ninja]

ROFL at the guy that said danzo's koto has no power to ask someone to commit suicide,since it has never been said it can't.

We don't do stretch logic, we do feats. And if we assume Koto can make someone commit suicide, then we can assume all the same that any genjutsu regardless of strength can do the same since its "never been said it can't".

In fact, thats near a no-limits fallacy in you assuming it can despite a horrid lack of feats.

Ok Prince of peace.Danzo activates izanagi,Gaara goes high in the air and starts launching attacks,Danzo summons baku who sucks all gaaras sand and gaara drops to the floor danzo finishes the job.

Danzo summons Baku, Baku gets Imperial Burial'd.

Danzo activates izanagi,Gaara goes high in the air and starts launching attacks,danzo is killed and he teleports to gaara

Teleport range is much too small to do that.

and tries to put a seal gaara is shocked by this as he senses danzo behind him and he looks back to see danzo

See above. Danzo can't reach him.

,Now Danzo's sealing didn't succed cuz sand protected gaara on its own, but now that gaara locked back and saw danzo in shock

See above.

,danzo uses koto and asks gaara to eat all his sand and jump off the one hes standing on.gaara accepts and dies.

Clone could easily prevent it, and above that theres a lack of feats.

[Kioroshi.]

^

Kotoamatsukami is strongest genjutsu in the manga,it is said it can control you without you even realizing it,Danzo puts a message:kill yourself.

gaara somehow finds a way that this is good idea and accepts,that jutsu alone is danzo's win in this fight.


I like how in some danzo threads people like you say that danzo just teleports behind someone and puts a seal and wins,but when you like some character more than danzo you say danzo's teleport range is too small.I mean you can always say otherwise but I can show you some threads that this has been done.

Cuz actually teleport range has never been mentioned in the manga,so we can assume everything we like,like range is too small to that of range is unlimited,izanagi teleport range has never been mentioned so we should not even discuss about it.

But Lets say this,tobi was falling in see off paper bombs for 10 minutes and teleported behind konan when that has been done,you wanna say to me that range is too small?I wouldn't say so.

[Frost ninja]

^

Kotoamatsukami is strongest genjutsu in the manga,it is said it can control you without you even realizing it,Danzo puts a message:kill yourself.

gaara somehow finds a way that this is good idea and accepts,that jutsu alone is danzo's win in this fight.

Koto hasn't shown the capacity to do so. Also koto is the strongest, but Danzo lacking the kekki and so on, no feats. What was the saying, a rookie with a sword can be beaten by a master with a stone. The power doesn't always mean the profeciency needed.

Danzo says "Kill yourself" and Gaara says "Meh... no."


I like how in some danzo threads people like you say that danzo just teleports behind someone and puts a seal and wins,but when you like some character more than danzo you say danzo's teleport range is too small.I mean you can always say otherwise but I can show you some threads that this has been done.

Yeah, usually when Danzo teleports behind someone they are on the ground, not almost a mile in the air. You can move towards someone and go along the ground to close a distance. Not so much the air.

Cuz actually teleport range has never been mentioned in the manga,so we can assume everything we like,like range is too small to that of range is unlimited,izanagi teleport range has never been mentioned so we should not even discuss about it.

If the teleport range were larger, Danzo wouldn't have had to keep running and taking susanoo arrows, he could just constantly teleport behind Sasuke. Izanagi's tele distance is short range, and its never shown otherwise.

But Lets say this,tobi was falling in see off paper bombs for 10 minutes and teleported behind konan when that has been done,you wanna say to me that range is too small?I wouldn't say so.

Considering Tobi blips into himself and teleports at will, I don't think he was using Izanagi's teleport distance rather than his own with Izan to make his death an illusion.

[Kioroshi.]

Considering Tobi blips into himself and teleports at will, I don't think he was using Izanagi's teleport distance rather than his own with Izan to make his death an illusion.


I guess you are right about tobi part.



Well danzo can move in the air just like moving on the ground he can use his wind style to fly like he alread did in the manga and started floating while sasuke was trying to snipe him with arrow.

The thing is gaara can't say no,and I don't see how that quote possibly replies to my post.Also what proves gaara can say no/negate strongest genjutsu in the manga when a genjutsu master who was under ET tag couldn't?

[megabbaut]

Like I said before, he can avoid Kotoamatsukami if he's in a sand sphere like against Deidara.

[Kioroshi.]

^ Danzo can pierce the sand by teleporting on it and by the use of windtyle which apparently penetrated susano'o.or he can die while on the sphere and tele inside using Koto.

[PrinceofPeace]

ROFL at the guy that said danzo's koto has no power to ask someone to commit suicide,since it has never been said it can't.

Ok Prince of peace.Danzo activates izanagi,Gaara goes high in the air and starts launching attacks,Danzo summons baku who sucks all gaaras sand and gaara drops to the floor danzo finishes the job.

Danzo activates izanagi,Gaara goes high in the air and starts launching attacks,danzo is killed and he teleports to gaara and tries to put a seal gaara is shocked by this as he senses danzo behind him and he looks back to see danzo,Now Danzo's sealing didn't succed cuz sand protected gaara on its own, but now that gaara locked back and saw danzo in shock,danzo uses koto and asks gaara to eat all his sand and jump off the one hes standing on.gaara accepts and dies.

For the baku situation
1- Garra uses the sand to choke Baku or just destroy it from another direction
2- Garra simply moves out of the way

and for your "teleporting concept"
1- That has not really been proven
2- Dazno can not seal Garra because garra will be protected safely inside sand sphere

Koto would take time and garra's sand is VERY FAST to kill him enough times. Izangi would make him tired in successions so Danzo would lose

[Kioroshi.]

^ how would Koto take time?._.

[PrinceofPeace]

Not really time BUT he would have to find a way to AT LEAST see Garra's eyes to use koto

Garra would not even risk using Third Eye but instead just use sand sensing to find an destroy Danzo

[Kioroshi.]

Gaara always uses 3rd eye when hes in a sphere and gaara does not know danzo has koto right?

[PrinceofPeace]

I said In Character so In the story garra knows of Koto and Danzo knows little to nothing about Koto.

Regardless Garra knows (any smart ninja knows) Not to make eye contact with Uchihas

Plus there is no proof that genjutsu would even affect Third Eye

Overrall I guess Garra wins * due to many posts above voting for Garra*



Too bad Danzo can not fly to get Garra

[Kioroshi.]

Bro danzo doesn't know anything about koto?are you kidding me?he has the jutsu....There is no point in debating this with you anyway.

[Frost ninja]

Bro danzo doesn't know anything about koto?are you kidding me?he has the jutsu....There is no point in debating this with you anyway.

I think it was a typo to be fair, and he meant Danzo doesn't know anything about Gaara, which to be fair he missed all of the fights but he knows some basics (Watching in the shadows from the Chunin exams)

[Kioroshi.]

ikd what it was.......


P.S Prince man you registered a week ago and you have almost same posts as me wow you are really active.

[PrinceofPeace]

soo Danzo loses its agreed??

[megabbaut]

No not agreed, Gaara still can't defeat Baku

[Frost ninja]

No not agreed, Gaara still can't defeat Baku

Imperial Sand Burial.
Baku gets dropped in a pit and crushed. Or simly gets crushed normally, since it can't inhale the sand at its feet and it has a pretty low-cap pain tolerance.

[PrinceofPeace]

No not agreed, Gaara still can't defeat Baku


Is baku really your only threat for garra ??

No not agreed, Gaara still can't defeat Baku


Garra floats out of the way of Baku

Garra crushes Baku with sand

garra chokes Baku with sand

Garra tosses Baku with sand

Garra's sand is too fast and strong for Baku

How does Baku win against Garra

[Kioroshi.]

^ he sucks him before he moves out of range.its not so hard to suck sand

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Prince of Peace, stop double posting, if you wanna say something else after you've already posted edit it into the original post.

[PrinceofPeace]

^ he sucks him before he moves out of range.its not so hard to suck sand

And its not hard for Garra to smash/choke Baku with his sand from a safe distance.

Also Danzo does not summon Baku right away its not in his character. Danzo died like 3-4 times before he summoned it

And I apologizee J-Sun Tasogare

and for you Kioroshi you only posted a comback to one of my statements of how garra can beat baku.

[mrsticky005]

In character

Location: Where Saskue and Danzo fought

distance: garra and danzo are 367ft away ( but dont stay there they can move closer)

ALLL FEATS

Danzo uses Wood Style to slow down Gaara

Then Izanagi

Combine leaves with wind style to bombard Gaara

Danzo summons Baku. Screws up Gaara's sand.

Danzo makes his way near Gaara

Genjutsu

Game Over

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo uses Wood Style to slow down Gaara

Then Izanagi

Combine leaves with wind style to bombard Gaara

Danzo summons Baku. Screws up Gaara's sand.

Danzo makes his way near Gaara

Genjutsu

Game Over

Danzo does not have that good of control of wood style to use it as a weapon. He used it once to dodge a susanno arrow.

Garra's sand withstood deidara's bombs so it would easily take a weak wind style. It also withstood A's Glutoinne drop, lee's revers lotus AND Amaterasu. ALl which are stronger than a sharp weak wind attack

HOW DOES DANZO MAKE HIS WAY NEAR GARRA WHEN HE IS UP IN THE AIR

How does Garra get hit by genjutsu when Garra is in his sand shield and has no visual contact with Danzo

Yeah the game is over... FOR DANZO

[Wooster]

OP says all feats. Meaning that Danzo has Shisui's eye active. Given that Danzo can speed blitz Sasuke's chidori, Gaara ain't moving an inch before Danzo is right up in his grill with Koto.

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

I would give this battle to Danzo. Considering his abilities with Izanagi, he would definitely be able to get close enough to Gaara to cast a genjustu, which would practically win the match. Furthermore, even if Gaara hides behind his sand, Danzo's wind style cut through boulders, his wind style attack completely sliced whatever they touched, except for Susanoo. Now, because they cut clean through it is hard to decide if they could penetrate Gaara's sand.

If Danzo's wind style can penetrate Gaara's sand, then he could win. If not, then I would give this to Gaara. Considering that Danzo has never used his wind style against Gaara's sand it is impossible to tell.

[Frost ninja]

OP says all feats. Meaning that Danzo has Shisui's eye active. Given that Danzo can speed blitz Sasuke's chidori, Gaara ain't moving an inch before Danzo is right up in his grill with Koto.

You mean PTS?

Because to my knowlede Gaara was fast enough to block Ammy with his sand at one point, where as Danzo got burned (mind you he had izanagi, why waste the eye?)

[mrsticky005]

Danzo does not have that good of control of wood style to use it as a weapon. He used it once to dodge a susanno arrow.

Garra's sand withstood deidara's bombs so it would easily take a weak wind style. It also withstood A's Glutoinne drop, lee's revers lotus AND Amaterasu. ALl which are stronger than a sharp weak wind attack

HOW DOES DANZO MAKE HIS WAY NEAR GARRA WHEN HE IS UP IN THE AIR

How does Garra get hit by genjutsu when Garra is in his sand shield and has no visual contact with Danzo

Yeah the game is over... FOR DANZO

I say that's pretty damn good control of wood style.

Wind Style could just cut through the sand. It's not the strength
but rather the sharpness of the wind. Those other examples do
not cut through but are impact attacks.

Baku would bring Gaara down to the ground.

Plus the trees would get in the way.

Gaara doesn't need to make visual contact to get trapped in Danzo's genjutsu

[Kioroshi.]

Finally someone with common sense...and finally someone who realize how about koto actually is.

[mrsticky005]

Finally someone with common sense...and finally someone who realize how about koto actually is.

It's an incredibly tricksy dojutsu...befitting of Danzo.

[PrinceofPeace]

I say that's pretty damn good control of wood style.

Wind Style could just cut through the sand. It's not the strength
but rather the sharpness of the wind. Those other examples do
not cut through but are impact attacks.

Baku would bring Gaara down to the ground.

Plus the trees would get in the way.

Gaara doesn't need to make visual contact to get trapped in Danzo's genjutsu

Wood Sytle is one of the strongest elements. If Danzo could control Wood Style that well he would have use it as an attack or at least use it more HE ONLY USED WOOD STYLE ONCE... thats not great control.

Just because Wind style cuts does not mean it can go through Garra's ULTIMATE DEFENCE. How strong do you think Danzo's wind style is?? It barely did anything against Susanoo so it can not do much to Garra's sand.

Please read my other posts above explaining why GARRA CAN EASILY SMASH BAKU... the end.

What do trees have to do with anything??? There were not that much trees ?

It is a theory that Danzo's koto does not need eye contact it has not been proven.

Danzo is not faster than Garra's sand and Garra would turn around and fly away going into his sand sphere. THEN SPAM SAND ATTACKS FOR THE WIN

PLUS Danzo needs PREP to use Izangai

[Wooster]

You mean PTS?

Because to my knowlede Gaara was fast enough to block Ammy with his sand at one point, where as Danzo got burned (mind you he had izanagi, why waste the eye?)
Danzo did not have shisui's eye active at the time. And as Sticky said Koto is proximity not eyesight. Even if Gaara is in his sand shell, he is screwed.

No Gaara didn't; he stop A, not Amateratsu. Well, in the since he only stop A from hitting a barrier of amateratsu, not it's speed.

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo did not have shisui's eye active at the time. And as Sticky said Koto is proximity not eyesight. Even if Gaara is in his sand shell, he is screwed.

No Gaara didn't; he stop A, not Amateratsu. Well, in the since he only stop A from hitting a barrier of amateratsu, not it's speed.


its not iou were in character for Danzo to use koto at the start. If you were facing an opponet you would not use your strongest move right off the bat ESPECIALLY when you can not use that move for the next 10yrs or so.

Garra did stop Amaterasu ( or at least in Naruto Generations clip)

AGAIN IT IS A theory THAT koto DOES NOT INVOLVE EYESIGHT

[Wooster]

its not iou were in character for Danzo to use koto at the start. If you were facing an opponet you would not use your strongest move right off the bat ESPECIALLY when you can not use that move for the next 10yrs or so.

Garra did stop Amaterasu ( or at least in Naruto Generations clip)

AGAIN IT IS A theory THAT koto DOES NOT INVOLVE EYESIGHTNope. Danzo could not use Koto from the start of Sasuke battle. His eye needed to recharge. Given that he was in only one serious battle we have no idea what is standard.

Danzo can use the move than once a day. He has Hashirma's cells.

Manga only. You did not indicate games in the OP.

Nope, Danzo used Koto on Mifune with his eye covered. Clearly eyesight is not needed.

[PrinceofPeace]

Nope. Danzo could not use Koto from the start of Sasuke battle. His eye needed to recharge. Given that he was in only one serious battle we have no idea what is standard.

Danzo can use the move than once a day. He has Hashirma's cells.

Manga only. You did not indicate games in the OP.

Nope, Danzo used Koto on Mifune with his eye covered. Clearly eyesight is not needed.

Yes we know Danzo WAS UNABLE TO USE koto. But it is still not in his character for Danzo to use it at the start of battle knowing that he would not be able to use koto again for at least another day. WHY WOULD YOU USE YOUR STRONGEST ATTACK AT THE START OF BATTLE??

I said ALL FEATS

we do not know about the bandages. It is still a theroy. Even Narutopedia says it has not been proven.

Danzo would not use koto at the start of battle and it is a theroy that koto does not NEED eye contact... GARRA WINS

[Wooster]

Yes we know Danzo WAS UNABLE TO USE koto. But it is still not in his character for Danzo to use it at the start of battle knowing that he would not be able to use koto again for at least another day. WHY WOULD YOU USE YOUR STRONGEST ATTACK AT THE START OF BATTLE??

I said ALL FEATS

we do not know about the bandages. It is still a theroy. Even Narutopedia says it has not been proven.

Danzo would not use koto at the start of battle and it is a theroy that koto does not NEED eye contact... GARRA WINS
To win.

That means no restrictions does not mean noncanon material. Look it up :lol:

Yes, we do. Danzo's eye was covered. End of story.

Soooo Danzo would allow himself to lose rather than use Koto. Yes that makes sense :roll:

[PrinceofPeace]

The blinds could have been easily transparant for Danzo.

Garra knows of sharigan and quickly evades and coves/attacks with sand so Garra safely soars to the sky not facing Danzo and uses sand sensing to find and destroy his opponet.

Koto is not that face and it is not a fact that eye contact is not needed.

who uses their strongest attack right away that is not in character for anyone

[Wooster]

The blinds could have been easily transparant for Danzo.

Garra knows of sharigan and quickly evades and coves/attacks with sand so Garra safely soars to the sky not facing Danzo and uses sand sensing to find and destroy his opponet.

Koto is not that face and it is not a fact that eye contact is not needed.

who uses their strongest attack right away that is not in character for anyone
How does that matter? Mifune still could not see Danzo's eye :ugeek:

Danzo with Sharingan is faster than Gaara. See Sasuke's chidori. Gaara has never moved fast only his sand does.

Yes, it is not. See Mifune.

Someone that wants to win and does anything to do it, like Danzo.

[PrinceofPeace]

The distance is too far. Garra/his sand as one is fast enough to get out of the way of koto.
Garra's sand is just to fast
Also Kakshi has kaumi but he does not use that right away

Koto would get Izangi ready first then use koto.

It is tooo far away to use koto and risky

[Wooster]

How do you know Danzo doesn't have a hidden telescope behind his bandages focused on Gaara's eye? Hmmm?

[PrinceofPeace]

HOW DO YOU KNOW DANZO DOES have a hidden telescope behind his bandages focused on Gaara's eye? Hmmm?

[Wooster]

How do you know he doesn't? I asked first.

[PrinceofPeace]

because he was never shown with a telescope, and where would he put it??? in his phany pack that was never shown ??????


Garra wins

how do you know Danzo DOES have a telescope

[Wooster]

Garra losses because he has absolutely no feats. :ugeek:

[PrinceofPeace]

are you kidding.... Danzo has like 10 attacks to Garra's 20

[Wooster]

Name one Garra feat.

[PrinceofPeace]

you did not answer telescope question

[Wooster]

you did not answer the one way bandage question

[PrinceofPeace]

yeah i did and i asked you second anser it.


I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR POSTING SO MUCH ON THIS THREAD. IT GOT A LOAD OF POST AND IT IS ONE OF THE MOST DEBATED TOPICS ON NARUTOVERSE... THANKS

[Wooster]

No, you just ignored it.
You still haven't named one Garra feat.

[PrinceofPeace]

what was the bandage question??

define feat its feature right??

[Wooster]

Prove that Danzo has a one way bandage.

It meats feat i.e. something that Garra has done that we have seen.

[PrinceofPeace]

i can not prove that. But it would be hard for danzo to see Garra so far away especially before Garra turns arounds and flies away

Garra Feats:

Air Sand Protective Wall
Armour of Sand
Desert Layered Imperial Funeral
Desert Suspension
Feigning Sleep Technique
Prison Sand Burial
Quicksand Waterfall Flow
Sand Binding Coffin
Sand Binding Prison
Sand Clone
Sand Drizzle
Sand Hail
Sand Sensing
Sand Shuriken
Sand Waterfall Funeral
Sand Waterfall Imperial Funeral
Shield of Sand
Successive Shots: Sand Drizzle
Third Eye
Ultimately Hard Absolute Defence: Shield of Shukaku

[mrsticky005]

Wood Sytle is one of the strongest elements. If Danzo could control Wood Style that well he would have use it as an attack or at least use it more HE ONLY USED WOOD STYLE ONCE... thats not great control.

Just because Wind style cuts does not mean it can go through Garra's ULTIMATE DEFENCE. How strong do you think Danzo's wind style is?? It barely did anything against Susanoo so it can not do much to Garra's sand.

Please read my other posts above explaining why GARRA CAN EASILY SMASH BAKU... the end.

What do trees have to do with anything??? There were not that much trees ?

It is a theory that Danzo's koto does not need eye contact it has not been proven.

Danzo is not faster than Garra's sand and Garra would turn around and fly away going into his sand sphere. THEN SPAM SAND ATTACKS FOR THE WIN

PLUS Danzo needs PREP to use Izangai


It takes up a lot of chakra and he was saving his chakra for Tobi.
It's likely that Danzo was fighting Sasuke at maybe 50-60%
He was really just trying to buy time until he could use Shisui's eye.

If it's just Danzo vs Gaara then he can go all out. Hence more chakra. Hence more trees.

Again it's not about strength. It's about sharpness.
Wind Style is insanely sharp. Asuma's went through several
trees and a rock and he wasn't even trying.

Baku would just suck the sand up. Remember Baku is enormous and has a VERY strong suction power. So no the sand wouldn't crush Baku.

look at it this way. Baku was tearing up a stone bridge from suction power alone. Sand is just gonna float into Baku's belly.

[PrinceofPeace]

It takes up a lot of chakra and he was saving his chakra for Tobi.
It's likely that Danzo was fighting Sasuke at maybe 50-60%
He was really just trying to buy time until he could use Shisui's eye.

If it's just Danzo vs Gaara then he can go all out. Hence more chakra. Hence more trees.

Again it's not about strength. It's about sharpness.
Wind Style is insanely sharp. Asuma's went through several
trees and a rock and he wasn't even trying.

Baku would just suck the sand up. Remember Baku is enormous and has a VERY strong suction power. So no the sand wouldn't crush Baku.

look at it this way. Baku was tearing up a stone bridge from suction power alone. Sand is just gonna float into Baku's belly.

If Danzo was trying to stall he still should have gone all out
Danzo just has wood style to control koto not to use it as a weapon
Garra's sand is WAYYY stronger than rocks and trees hes a kage and his sand is stonger than kimi's bones

Garra can move out of the way or easily kill Baku from behind

[Kreegah!!!]

If Danzo was trying to stall he still should have gone all out
Danzo just has wood style to control koto not to use it as a weapon
Garra's sand is WAYYY stronger than rocks and trees hes a kage and his sand is stonger than kimi's bones

Garra can move out of the way or easily kill Baku from behind

You do not stall someone by going all out. Your opponent will not be stalled long if you exert yourself so quickly.

Are you implying that his wood style is only for activating Koto, or that Koto must be powered by wood style--and still not be used as a weapon??? Either way, that is laughably false.

No, Kimmimaro was dead on his feet already. And even dead he overcame the sands and nearly killed Gaara and Lee.

Baku was around barely long enough to showcasse his physical power before being PnJed to extinction. We never got to see awareness feats, so that is a hefty assumption.

[Wooster]

i can not prove that. But it would be hard for danzo to see Garra so far away especially before Garra turns arounds and flies away

Garra Feats:

Air Sand Protective Wall
Armour of Sand
Desert Layered Imperial Funeral
Desert Suspension
Feigning Sleep Technique
Prison Sand Burial
Quicksand Waterfall Flow
Sand Binding Coffin
Sand Binding Prison
Sand Clone
Sand Drizzle
Sand Hail
Sand Sensing
Sand Shuriken
Sand Waterfall Funeral
Sand Waterfall Imperial Funeral
Shield of Sand
Successive Shots: Sand Drizzle
Third Eye
Ultimately Hard Absolute Defence: Shield of Shukaku
Those are all Gaara feats.
Not a single one is a Garra feat.

[king kakashi]

Danzo spamms izangi until he has a chance to use shisui eye.
Gaara has no anti genjustu Feats.

[PrinceofPeace]

Izangi NEEDS prep which he does not have

garra does not need feats with all of his attacks. The sand is enough, Garra willl only fight with sand so why does he needd feats

Danzo needed wood style to sustain 11 sharigans at once. wood style takes MAJOR CHAKRA. Danzo is bad at controlling wood style so he can not use it as an attack and it takes TOO Much out of him

kimi still did not beat garra. if he was healthy he could have won. Kimi would still never be able to beat sand susupension or shield of shukaku

Baku was taken out easily from what we have seen he would have easily been crushed or fliped or choked with sand.


HOW DOES GARRA

a- attack when Garra is high in the sky
b- use koto when Garra is so far away
c- activate izangi when Garra is spammin sand attacks

ANSWER THAT

[king kakashi]

he just needs to remove his arm thing
he just summons his air sucking elephant thing
and uses that to buy time will he removes his guantlet
then inevitably use shisui's eye

[PrinceofPeace]

its too far for Danzo to use koto
and removing the gauntlet takes time he had to use his bodyguards to distract tobi

[Wooster]

Gaara does not have fire attacks; he cannot defeat Baku. Gaara would just be sucked in with all his sand.

But none of that matters because Shisui's eye makes Danzo too fast for Gaara to do anythign before he applies Koto to him.

And none of that matters because Garra does not have any feats. :ugeek:

[king kakashi]

You're never gonna let the Garra thing go are you Wooster.

He uses the air sucking elephant to buy the time he needs.

[Wooster]

Not until he realizes it :lol:

Garra loses to everyone :ugeek:

[PrinceofPeace]

by the time Danzo summons he is up in the air

[king kakashi]

he gets sucked down by the air sucking elephant

[Wooster]

^ This.
Baku is essentially the perfect weapon to use against Gaara. It sucks away all Gaara's sand :lol:

[megabbaut]

But wouldn't it choke and die?

[king kakashi]

iwho know most animals can't suck it that much air
personally i think he blows the debri out of his nose

[PrinceofPeace]

iwho know most animals can't suck it that much air
personally i think he blows the debri out of his nose


then why didnt Baku do it agaiinst Saskue

If baku is your only argument. Garra easily moves out of the way smashes it or chokes it

[megabbaut]

Because it was fire and fire burns Baku easily, sand is a completely different principle

[Sagepain]

Gaara should still be able to control the sand that Baku sucks in. While the sand is inside him Gaara begins to rip Baku apart from the inside out by forcing the sand against the walls of Baku's innards. Assuming Baku doesin't choke on all the sand lol.

[PrinceofPeace]

1- his wind style was close up to Susanoo so OF COURSE it will do more damage but the wind style has to travel further so the power will decrease

2- Garra can EASILY move out of the way of the wind attacks

3- garras sand can attack the wind style to decrease the damage

4- it takes time for Danzo to prep Izangmi so he will have to dodge the sand whil getting Izangmi ready.. IMPOSSIBLE Danzo is not that fast

5- baku'[s suction power BARLY moved Susanno it stayed in one place

6-If garra takes out the bridge Baku is done for

7- Garra could kill choke, moe out of the way of Garra's power

8-Danzo is NOT FAST he got punched by Susanoo and Garra's Sand Speed >>>>>>>> Saskue speed

9- In the anime it took like 4min to get his arm out of the gauntlet. cut that in half that is 2min. Danzo needed ppl to fight for him cuz he neeed izangai ready that is him in character

10- The distance is WAY to FAR for Danzo to use Koto

11- How can danzo hit garra way up in the air

Overally Danzo needs to get close range to do any SERIOUS damage

Garra wins

[Kreegah!!!]

HOW DOES GARRA

a- attack when Garra is high in the sky
b- use koto when Garra is so far away
c- activate izangi when Garra is spammin sand attacks

ANSWER THAT

I do not know a Garra, and those are Danzo moves.

1- his wind style was close up to Susanoo so OF COURSE it will do more damage but the wind style has to travel further so the power will decrease

2- Garra can EASILY move out of the way of the wind attacks

3- garras sand can attack the wind style to decrease the damage

4- it takes time for Danzo to prep Izangmi so he will have to dodge the sand whil getting Izangmi ready.. IMPOSSIBLE Danzo is not that fast

5- baku'[s suction power BARLY moved Susanno it stayed in one place

6-If garra takes out the bridge Baku is done for

7- Garra could kill choke, moe out of the way of Garra's power

8-Danzo is NOT FAST he got punched by Susanoo and Garra's Sand Speed >>>>>>>> Saskue speed

9- In the anime it took like 4min to get his arm out of the gauntlet. cut that in half that is 2min. Danzo needed ppl to fight for him cuz he neeed izangai ready that is him in character

10- The distance is WAY to FAR for Danzo to use Koto

11- How can danzo hit garra way up in the air

Overally Danzo needs to get close range to do any SERIOUS damage

Garra wins

"Garra" dies without a mother's love to defend him.

[PrinceofPeace]

REALLY? thats your answer... thats for shame on your part

Garra's mom always has and will love him

Garra wins SINCE YOU OR ANYONE HAS ANY COMBACKS TO MY STATEMENT

[Wooster]

REALLY? thats your answer... thats for shame on your part

Garra's mom always has and will love him

Garra wins SINCE YOU OR ANYONE HAS ANY COMBACKS TO MY STATEMENT
Oh I can do that.
1- his wind style was close up to Susanoo so OF COURSE it will do more damage but the wind style has to travel further so the power will not decrease

2- Garra can NOT EASILY move out of the way of the wind attacks

3- garras sand can't attack the wind style to decrease the damage

4- it takes time for Danzo to prep Izangmi so he will have to dodge the sand whil getting Izangmi ready.. POSSIBLE Danzo is that fast

5- baku'[s suction power BARLY moved Susanno it stayed in one place because Sussano'o dug into the ground. Since Gaara can't do that he is screwed.

6-Even if garra takes out the bridge Baku will have already defeated Gaaea

7- Garra could choke, moe out of the way of Garra's power

8-Danzo is FAST he avoided Sasuke's chidori and Garra's Sand Speed <<<<<<< Saskue speed (see Chunin exam)

9- In the anime it took like 4min to get his arm out of the gauntlet. cut that in half that is 2min. Danzo needed ppl to fight for him cuz he neeed izangai ready that is him in character Anime doesn't count. Danzo doesn't need Izanagi.

10- The distance is NOT FAR ENOUGH for Gaara to use his snad to get into the air

11- How can garra get way up in the air

Overally Gaara needs to stop Danzo from getting to close range to do any stop SERIOUS damage

Garra loses because he has no feats
Bingo!

[PrinceofPeace]

Si Garra wins I guess that means you agree

[amon our holy savior]

really, Danzo stomps. what will Gaara do w/o knowledge of Izanagi? and the huge wind attacks that broke through perfect MS susano'o? Baku made it look small, gaara will be < a flea. gaara 'kills' Danzo and then he appears behind gaara and grabs him by the neck to seal him so he cant move. then the fight explains itself

[PrinceofPeace]

he does not need knowledge Garra does what he always does. Go in sand sphere and spam sand attacks

his wind attacks did nothing to susanno and gARRA is too high in the sky

[amon our holy savior]

he does not need knowledge Garra does what he always does. Go in sand sphere and spam sand attacks

his wind attacks did nothing to susanno and gARRA is too high in the sky
it broke through susano'o which gaara and temari, Darui and Kankuro's attacks all at once couldnt even scratch. going in sand sphere won't save him from fuuton or Danzo with Izanagi, and gaara doesn't know about izanagi when he thinks he killed danzo what will he do next?

[PrinceofPeace]

it was not JUST Danzo's wind attacks that broke thorugh Susanno.

He summoned Baku which was sucking in Susanoo at high speeds( Susanno barly budged and inch)

Then Danzo got in back of Susanoo(way in front of baku) and THEN used his wind attacks to bust through Susanoo.

By the time he summons Baku and goes in back of Garra. Garra would be in the air

[amon our holy savior]

it was not JUST Danzo's wind attacks that broke thorugh Susanno.

He summoned Baku which was sucking in Susanoo at high speeds( Susanno barly budged and inch)

Then Danzo got in back of Susanoo(way in front of baku) and THEN used his wind attacks to bust through Susanoo.

By the time he summons Baku and goes in back of Garra. Garra would be in the air
what stops him from using Baku here? nothing, and his power is also boosted by izanagi.

[king kakashi]

it was not JUST Danzo's wind attacks that broke thorugh Susanno.

He summoned Baku which was sucking in Susanoo at high speeds( Susanno barly budged and inch)

Then Danzo got in back of Susanoo(way in front of baku) and THEN used his wind attacks to bust through Susanoo.

By the time he summons Baku and goes in back of Garra. Garra would be in the air
Baku is just a distraction for Danzo to have time to remove his arm thing by the time gaara deals with Baku Danzo will use izangi to kill him

mainly because his defence is not as good as sasuke's

[PrinceofPeace]

Is baku really your only threat for garra ??

Garra floats out of the way of Baku

Garra crushes Baku with sand

garra chokes Baku with sand

Garra tosses Baku with sand

Garra's sand is too fast and strong for Baku

How does Baku win against Garra

As I have said Before Garra will easily take care of Baku and have time to attack Danzo plus how would Dazno get behind Garra??

[king kakashi]

the point is by the time Gaara disposes of baku his arm thing will be off
then he can use izangi and if that does not work he can use koto

[PrinceofPeace]

Garra can attack two opponets at once. He does not even HAVE to attack Baku Garra just takes out the bridge

[king kakashi]

gaara has no knowledge of danzo's ability's or baku he would not be in ahuge panic to sto danzo from removing his arm thing
plus danzo can use koto from the get go and end it early

[PrinceofPeace]

Garra knows of danzo's sharigan and it is too far away for Danzo to use koto at the star

REALLY you think Garra would be scared
He faced deidara who almost destroyed the village
He faced a Kimiaro who could take out his bones
He used to transform into a monster
he is a ninja/kage who are practically never scared...

SO WHY WOULD HE BE SCARED OF A GIANT ELEPHANT. seriously that was your counter WOW. Maybe impressed or shocked but not scared

[king kakashi]

Garra knows of danzo's sharigan and it is too far away for Danzo to use koto at the star

REALLY you think Garra would be scared
He faced deidara who almost destroyed the village
He faced a Kimiaro who could take out his bones
He used to transform into a monster
he is a ninja/kage who are practically never scared...

SO WHY WOULD HE BE SCARED OF A GIANT ELEPHANT. seriously that was your counter WOW. Maybe impressed or shocked but not scared
Koto has never been given a writen limit if it has please post proof
gaara has no idea about the 20 on his arm

i never said he would i said he would not panic at an old man taking off his arm thing

[PrinceofPeace]

shargian has a distance limit

its 10 on his arm.... wow you do not even know how many sharigans he has911 counting one in his eye)

panic=scared. He would not panic he barely shows emotion. It would just be more of a reason for garra to kill him faster.

[king kakashi]

panic- is a sudden sensation of fear which is so strong as to dominate or prevent reason and logical thinking, replacing it with overwhelming feelings of anxiety and frantic agitation consistent with an animalistic fight-or-flight reaction.

you have posted gaara into a state of panic gaara only flew to keep up with flying opponents. gaara has no knowledge of his sharingan's or his ability's why would he resort to flight so early

[PrinceofPeace]

and how long do you think his panic state will last??? 2 seconds

Danzo has to focus on unlocking his guantlet.

As I said Befor Garra takes out the bridge that Baku is on which would take like 10-20secs

Danzo unlcking the guantlet was at least 2min

[king kakashi]

and how long do you think his panic state will last??? 2 seconds

Danzo has to focus on unlocking his guantlet.

As I said Befor Garra takes out the bridge that Baku is on which would take like 10-20secs

Danzo unlcking the guantlet was at least 2min
Danzo was taking his time i think he thought his soldiers could do the job for him
you said he would be jumping into the air flying as soon as his fight with Danzo started i said if he did that he was obviously in a state of panic
Gaara would never start off the fight flying
plus he is limited to the sand in his gourde because there is very little or no sand were danzo and sasuke fought
Danzo just has to use his immpressive old man taijutsu to get close enough to use koto

[PrinceofPeace]

WHAT. Why Danzo take his time when he was about to face Tobi one of the stongest ninjas ever. If he took his time with Tobi he would not even use his gauntlet for Garra or open it in slow motion. He knew good and well that just 2 anbu ninja could not win. He told them to be careful

Its not Panic its STRAGTGY ever heard of it. It is his safest/strongest way to fight

taijutsu has NOTING to do with getting close ... thats speed bud.
so are yo saying Danzo's speed >Garra's sand speed????

Garaa's sand kept up with at best 2nd gate lee who is WAAAYYY faster than Danzo

You are just making stuff up now and no even using real facts

[king kakashi]

WHAT. Why Danzo take his time when he was about to face Tobi one of the stongest ninjas ever. If he took his time with Tobi he would not even use his gauntlet for Garra or open it in slow motion. He knew good and well that just 2 anbu ninja could not win. He told them to be careful
No one knows who tobi is he had no idea tobi was that strong
Its not Panic its STRAGTGY ever heard of it. It is his safest/strongest way to fight
name one time gaara started a fight by flying without a good reason
taijutsu has NOTING to do with getting close ... thats speed bud.
so are yo saying Danzo's speed >Garra's sand speed????
lee's speed was and so was sasuke's Danzo was fast enough to lead a full on (unsuccessful)speed blitz on sasuke
Garaa's sand kept up with at best 2nd gate lee who is WAAAYYY faster than Danzo
gaara's sand could not keep up with no wieghts lee and two tomoe sasuke
You are just making stuff up now and no even using real facts
you need to read the manga better manin red

[TobiramaSenju307]

from this distance gaara has an advantage. he need not even personally fight danzo. he can just spam sand tsunamis, third eye and sand clones/flight/hail.

[PrinceofPeace]

Daznos would not underestimate an akaskui member. WHy would danzo think he is weak. Do you think Dazno is that supid. I am Glad you are not a ninja cuz you would take your time and undersitimate everyone.

PTS could not go too high in the air so that does not count
Garra fought Deidara in the air
Garra fought Madara in the air
Garra did not fight Saskue in the air because they were indoors

Just because Danzo blitz saskue does not mean he is faster than the sand

I NEED TO READ THE MANGA.. you need to make valid points and think about theri characters. wht does me reading manga have to do with anything.

[PrinceofPeace]

WOW thank you all for posting your thought. We are almost at 200 post THATS INSANE

Thank you

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

This has already been explained earlier ini the thread. Danzo burst through Susanoo with a wind style. He can go through Gaara's sand.

if Gaara's sand can stand up to Amaterasu the flames that can burn anything even fire, then I just don't see how wind style can really be all that affective, I'm sorry I just don't.

[Madara uchiha+kurama]

Simple Gaara crushes Danzo's sharingan arm before he can use it with his sand and while he's at it he can crush the rest of him too.


I think danzo will win becuse he has uchiha shisui's eye.who is able to manipulate anyone's thought.So he make gara to think to kill himself..Danzo is also won against sasuke if there tobi wont present.he saved shishui's eye for tobi..

[PrinceofPeace]

IT is TOO FAR for Danzo to use Shisui's eye and good luck using it when Garra is inside the sand shpere

[PrinceofPeace]

WOW over 200 post ... is this one of the post post of the thread??


Thank you all for posting I am glad I was able to make something so debatable. Thanks you ALL for your opinion It means a lot.

GO DANZO

[TobiramaSenju307]

IMO baku suction + KA would beat gaara

[PrinceofPeace]

Is baku really your only threat for garra ??




Garra floats out of the way of Baku

Garra crushes Baku with sand

garra chokes Baku with sand

Garra tosses Baku with sand

Garra's sand is too fast and strong for Baku

How does Baku win against Garra


we already said how Baku is useless how bout you read the thread before spaming your short answers every once in a while

[mrsticky005]

Danzo wins, he can even use Koto if he needs to.

With full intel, Gaara know's he's going to have to strike fast, hard and often however imo it won't be enough. Gaara's techniques are mainly large, powerhoused ones. Unfortunately that strategy won't work against Danzo due to having 10+ lives and the ability to negate any attack. The faster of Gaara's techniques can be evaded by his Body Flicker and if worse comes to worse, blocked with a tree. Danzo's strategy is a fairly simple one imo, use Izanagi + his Wind techniques to wear Gaara down and catch him with Kotoamatsukami. His Juuinjutsu technique is useless in this scenario.

Danzo does NOT have 10+ lives.

He has 10 minutes of invincibility. 11 if he uses Izanagi on Shisui's eye.

[Cult of Personality]

Danzo says, "Hey Gaara, kill yourself." And Gaara kills himself.

[mrsticky005]

Does anyone have any idea how large the Samurai Bridge would be?

[PrinceofPeace]

Danzo says, "Hey Gaara, kill yourself." And Gaara kills himself.


Not with that distance Garra lives then killz Danzo