Magneto vs Madara and the entire Uchiha clan

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Fight takes place in los angeles cali

hows this go?

[Ultimate combatant]

Fight takes place in los angeles cali

hows this go?

Which Magneto, the one who obviously wins or the one that obviously loses?!! :D

[Wooster]

Magneto shoves all the cars of the LA Freeway up the uchiha clan's collective posteriors.

[Nigoyukai]

He foldss them with his magnetism and bench-presses them up.

[NBT]

Magneto shoves the uchiha clan up Madara's a**,crushes him with his own meteor,and flings him into the the sun.

[zer0light]

the uchiha's try to drop a tiny shitty rock on him. he shrugs it off and shoves a meteor the size of texas up each of their asses.

[JLI2infinity]

Isn't he a potential omega level mutant, my X-Men knowledge is a little rusty but as far as I know mutants that powerful are automatically top tier in the HST. Of course, I don't see how he would manage against genjutsu. After all he needs the helmet because he's weak to Professor X's telekinesis, so I don't see how he'd be able to resist someone like Shisui. Of course he could just take a bridge and throw it at them, but then there's Madara who could just cut it in half.

[zer0light]

Isn't he a potential omega level mutant, my X-Men knowledge is a little rusty but as far as I know mutants that powerful are automatically top tier in the HST. Of course, I don't see how he would manage against genjutsu. After all he needs the helmet because he's weak to Professor X's telekinesis, so I don't see how he'd be able to resist someone like Shisui. Of course he could just take a bridge and throw it at them, but then there's Madara who could just cut it in half.

magneto has a certain lvl of mind protection. he only needs the helmet against telepaths of prof. X's lvl. NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE, in naruto verse is even at 1/10000000 of prof. X's lvl. xavier can mind rape at a galactic lvl.

magneto has many ways of killing ppl, but my fav are:

-he converts the chakra in their bodies into deadly radiation and they die horrible, painful deaths.

-he wormholes them into the sun or a blackhole.

-extract the iron from their blood.

-my top fav, real life katamari (don't know what katamari is? google it). imagine, all the naruto characters, a bunch of buildings, and trees, all clumped together to form a ball of random trash.

[waterluffyG2]

Magneto turned around a massively FTL, planetbusting bullet. He rips the iron core out of the planet at FTL speed and leaves.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

automatically top tier in the HST.

top tier in HST? AHAHAHAHAHA

[waterluffyG2]

"my X-Men knowledge is a little rusty"
Cut him some slack, IWD, he doesn't know enough about marvel yet. If he replies saying that magneto still is only top-tier HST after listening to the feat I described, then you can rip him apart as much as you like.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

"my X-Men knowledge is a little rusty"
Cut him some slack, IWD, he doesn't know enough about marvel yet. If he replies saying that magneto still is only top-tier HST after listening to the feat I described, then you can rip him apart as much as you like.

he claimed Guldo is a solar system buster...the guys knowledge is a little tweaked not rusty

really throwing Jupiter at Magneto recently failed to do more than piss him off

[Wooster]

So are you saying you made a troll thread? `:P

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

So are you saying you made a troll thread? `:P

we have an infestation of degenerates and once again,..the only staffers who care enough to fight the battle are either exiled or blocked in by those who would threaten the stability of the section

it then falls on me..to be the bad guy again and create a choke point to force their biased and stupidity into the open and frustrate them greatly..to cause an end to this plague that way

[Shikamaru Nara]

I can't close the thread or give an infraction unless he's insulting you IWD, my hands are tied.
And I don't think that your answer was what Wooster was looking for. :lol:

[Wooster]

But I haven't seen that here in a long time.

Ever this thread doesn't seem to have much of that.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I can't close the thread or give an infraction unless he's insulting you IWD, my hands are tied.
And I don't think that your answer was what Wooster was looking for. :lol:

the answer was what he needed to hear

and yeah you can unless those kids nullified the BG codes of conduct I tweaked 'em to persecute fantards

[waterluffyG2]

he claimed Guldo is a solar system buster...the guys knowledge is a little tweaked not rusty

really throwing Jupiter at Magneto recently failed to do more than piss him off

Wasn't it Jupiter's magnetic field? Or was this something different?

[Ultimate combatant]

It was argued Magneto could stand a chance even against Nappa.

So naturally, Magneto wins.

Assuming this is the strongest version of Magneto, of course!!! :D

[Frost ninja]

Swagneto (see wut I did thr?) is just going to absolutely rip apart almost anyone in the HST or, hell, in quite a few verses. If they exist, they have to be made of some strong stuff to not get ripped into molecules by swagneto's power of swagnetism. He causes the cells in your body, neigh the atoms, to be seperated with enough force to make every atom of your being become an atomic bomb.

[Inuyasha]

^
Frost has the right idea.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

It was argued Magneto could stand a chance even against Nappa.

So naturally, Magneto wins.

Assuming this is the strongest version of Magneto, of course!!! :D

Magneto can solo dbz dude he'd rape nappa

[Devils Lawyer]

Magneto alwayss one of my favorites. I wonder how many people noticed that he is malcom x and Xavier is Martin Luther King.:lol:

[PrinceofPeace]

Magneto has no knowledge right? so he is bound to look into their eyes and be caught in genjutus

Also itachi could set him aflame with amaterasu or saskue could slice him or whatever metal attack with susanoo

[zer0light]

Magneto has no knowledge right? so he is bound to look into their eyes and be caught in genjutus

Also itachi could set him aflame with amaterasu or saskue could slice him or whatever metal attack with susanoo

genjutsu is ;);););) compared to xaviers mind powers. magneto has natural mind resistance. he only has to wear the helmet to protect himself against prof X.

as for the weak ass cutting idea

- Magnetic shield: Magneto uses a forcefield around his body which is almost always activated during combat situations, it will deflect physical/projectile attacks and absorb energy attacks, it can take a tremendous amount of punishment (including repeated blows from class 100 characters, nuclear blasts, attacks from advanced futuristic and alien technology, and even attacks from Herald - level beings)

amaterasu is weak ass fire that couldn't even kill fodder.

[cnorwood]

Magneto has no knowledge right? so he is bound to look into their eyes and be caught in genjutus

Also itachi could set him aflame with amaterasu or saskue could slice him or whatever metal attack with susanoo
there it is, i knew a lawl genjutsu would come up soon. Anyway magneto one ups Rikudou sennin and tosses the moon at the planet

[Frost ninja]

No knowledge means nothing when your body detonates with the force of an almost infinate number of atomic bombs

[waterluffyG2]

Magneto has no knowledge right? so he is bound to look into their eyes and be caught in genjutus

a) This assumes that ninjas have enough reactions to use genjutsu before he rips their bodies apart.
b) His helmet can block any telepathy, at least telepathy on the HST level.

Also itachi could set him aflame with amaterasu or saskue could slice him or whatever metal attack with susanoo
His sheild would block both of them. It has taken planet-level attacks, and blocked haxx as well such as teleports and iceman's freezing power.

[321zigzag3]

The only noteworthy genjutsu is Tsukiyomi, Toad Song, Sage Enhanced Demonic Flute and may be World Wide Tsukiyomi.

Also Amaterasu strongest feat is burning Hachibi and destroying fire retardant Mountain Toad's stomach instantly.

[Devils Lawyer]

So I am curious when did Magneto get mind resistance? I am not debating whether he solos or not. This a rape thread a boring one in fact. I am debating his mind resistance in general. As far as I know and have seen he has none.

[321zigzag3]

Oh he has alot actually.

THe helmet thing is only from the movies.
In the comics even without the helmet he was resisting well, he has incredible will power like Doctor Doom vs Purple Man scenario.

Ask Xavier and JEan Grey, there was a time he resisted against them both.
Even wikipedia talks about Magento's mental resistance.


Although I don't see why Sharingan users cannot have some at least minor resistance. THey have a jutsu designed for it and Sasuke did resist mentally and soul wise Orochimaru's takeover.

Naruto is in general weak but they are still a low tier universe so Amaterasu being lawl weak fire is not completely correct either.

Same with strong genjutsu or if Sharingan users have mental resistance for they have a jutsu for it.

Give credit if they do.

[Frost ninja]

So I am curious when did Magneto get mind resistance? I am not debating whether he solos or not. This a rape thread a boring one in fact. I am debating his mind resistance in general. As far as I know and have seen he has none.


Pretty sure its all in the helmet.
He fended off Jean Grey and Prof. X on a few occations if memory serves, but at the very least Jean Grey. His shield tanking TK shots is still rich in my memory. :3

Also one has to wonder exactly what you are getting at...

[Devils Lawyer]

Oh he has alot actually.

THe helmet thing is only from the movies.
In the comics even without the helmet he was resisting well, he has incredible will power like Doctor Doom vs Purple Man scenario.

Ask Xavier and JEan Grey, there was a time he resisted against them both.
Even wikipedia talks about Magento's mental resistance.


Although I don't see why Sharingan users cannot have some at least minor resistance. THey have a jutsu designed for it and Sasuke did resist mentally and soul wise Orochimaru's takeover.

Naruto is in general weak but they are still a low tier universe so Amaterasu being lawl weak fire is not completely correct either.

Same with strong genjutsu or if Sharingan users have mental resistance for they have a jutsu for it.

Give credit if they do.

True but technically telepathy such as what Jean Grey and Xavier have is different from genjutsu. What Ino father does is more similiar technique. Mind breaking in general comes in so many different forms so resisting one form doesn't necessarily mean you can resist another. Xavier and Jean Grey both faced and lost to individuals with different mind techniques. People see mind breaking as black and white when in fact it can get pretty deep in the technique department. I will use a simple example Haki vs Sharigan. If you resist one that doesn't necessarily mean you can resist the other. That is my only point.
Pretty sure its all in the helmet.
He fended off Jean Grey and Prof. X on a few occations if memory serves, but at the very least Jean Grey. His shield tanking TK shots is still rich in my memory. :3

Also one has to wonder exactly what you are getting at...
^ Read above before you get all hostile.:lol:

[321zigzag3]

Telepathy technically is broader and Xavier and Jean Grey usage tends to be pretty powerful even against resistant ones but Magneto always resisted.

Genjutus is generally let us say more narrow. but yes Mind breaking is not black and white either but I see it being less complicated than physical element of the fight although it has its own vast world of complications at the same time.

But in basic form mind breaking is not too different.

[Frost ninja]

True but technically telepathy such as what Jean Grey and Xavier have is different from genjutsu. What Ino father does is more similiar technique. Mind breaking in general comes in so many different forms so resisting one form doesn't necessarily mean you can resist another. Xavier and Jean Grey both faced and lost to individuals with different mind techniques. People see mind breaking as black and white when in fact it can get pretty deep in the technique department. I will use a simple example Haki vs Sharigan. If you resist one that doesn't necessarily mean you can resist the other. That is my only point.

The ideal that genjutsu will work is a matter of disturbing the natural energies of his body, not mind breaking. Its mental torture, sure, but all in all its illusions made by disturbing the opponent's chakra and affecting their senses.

Magneto and his manipulation capabilities over energy in general as well as being able to resist Jean and X (showing not only a lot of will but also some heavy mental resistance in general) would probably make him immune to someone trying to tap into his senses. Plus his intellect would probably que him in, and its not like he can't mind-tap onto someone else to break himself out.

[Devils Lawyer]

Telepathy technically is broader and Xavier and Jean Grey usage tends to be pretty powerful even against resistant ones but Magneto always resisted.

Genjutus is generally let us say more narrow. but yes Mind breaking is not black and white either but I see it being less complicated than physical element of the fight although it has its own vast world of complications at the same time.

But in basic form mind breaking is not too different.

Their telepathy is broader they dive deep into the mind. But on more than one occasion they have dived into individuals mind and has been attacked by alternate personality or natural barriers. Their techniques are extremely wide and hard to pin down the depth.

Genjutsu attacks the signals to brain that alters the senses. Which is a different concept entirely from just entering the mind. The sharigan is similiar to Xavier telepathy due to the fact it can reconstruct the mind and create a world within it. But in truth it's basic aspects make it hard to counter considering you are not just blocking a signal but a foreign power chakra. Which is more similiar to magic than it is to mutant abilities. Mutant abilities and df are more similiar.

[Frost ninja]

Genjutsu attacks the signals to brain that alters the senses. Which is a different concept entirely from just entering the mind. The sharigan is similiar to Xavier telepathy due to the fact it can reconstruct the mind and create a world within it. But in truth it's basic aspects make it hard to counter considering you are not just blocking a signal but a foreign power chakra. Which is more similiar to magic than it is to mutant abilities. Mutant abilities and df are more similiar.

If I remember right, people just bite their lip and get out of it, so I'd actually wager its not all that potent as your making it sound. As Ziggy said, Tsu would be the only thing that would work.

And even without knowledge its not like Mags doesn't have telepathy, so the attempt to hit him with genjutsu will be negated by the fact that he knows not to. And that he can mind-tap out of it.

[Devils Lawyer]

If I remember right, people just bite their lip and get out of it, so I'd actually wager its not all that potent as your making it sound. As Ziggy said, Tsu would be the only thing that would work.

And even without knowledge its not like Mags doesn't have telepathy, so the attempt to hit him with genjutsu will be negated by the fact that he knows not to. And that he can mind-tap out of it.

The first part that is low level grunt attacks no comparison on the sharigan which can in fact create real time pain and your perception of time. Tsukiyomi is the only genjutsu worth mentioning. That and frog song.

Also you completely missed my point. Xavier, Jean Grey, and Magneto mind attacks are more natural like a df users in op. Genjutsu uses chakra which in fact in no shape or form is a natural energy. Not all energy is equal just like how Haki is not equal to chakra.

Actually I am not gonna do it.I am not gonna debate Magneto vs Genjutsu. I am gonna let this thread die. But just to let you know I can.:lol:

[321zigzag3]

Tsukiyomi is worth mentioning because it was actually pretty decent in competitve scene.

Regular Genjutsu is good against non mental user or any one which fortunately are many so Genjutsu is useful. For example in an equal speed situation genjutsu against OP is much more potent.

Sharingan is like I call rudimentary psychic like.
Magneto does not have chakra but genjutus still manipulates the mind in a sense.

Tsukiyomi though acts differently and Toad Song and Sage Enhanced Demonic Flute are worth mentioning because they are continous sounds.

Anyway DL is right. Mind wars are another complex world we can only start to see, but I believe that in basic generality they are not too different.

[Frost ninja]

I challenge you, DL.

Proof me that Magneto's mind resistances won't be able to fend off genjutsu he sees coming via telepathy? Is your only proof that he hasn't encountered it yet? Or that its somehow different in any way that makes it any more effective than Jean or X mind-humping?

Bring me your best.

*throws down the gauntlet*

Burden of proof is on you. Prove it can be effective despite being vastly inferior in both intensity and means of attack, and I'll concede.

[321zigzag3]

Sound based genjutsu actually could affect him initially because its different

[Frost ninja]

In what way? For a guy who can make the iron in someone's blood into a spear, you'd think he would be able to dissipate sound waves as well by causing the vibrating atoms to spread and effectively eliminate the "sound".

[321zigzag3]

I meant in theory if he does nothing or it comes to him as surprise.

You cannot technically "dodge" soundwaves in actuality if you know what I mean.

[Frost ninja]

I meant in theory if he does nothing or it comes to him as surprise.

You cannot technically "dodge" soundwaves in actuality if you know what I mean.

in theory if he does nothing and it comes to a suprise to the guy with telepathy I'm still doubting its capabilities to even phase him.

True, but you can lessen them so much in intensity that they are no longer waves but scattered moving particles. Since chakra depends on it to move, if you diffuse it enough to where it can't carry anything then you get rid of the problem. Since Magneto has the percision to manipulate blood iron, I'm sure diffusing sound isn't a big issue.

[Devils Lawyer]

I challenge you, DL.

Proof me that Magneto's mind resistances won't be able to fend off genjutsu he sees coming via telepathy? Is your only proof that he hasn't encountered it yet? Or that its somehow different in any way that makes it any more effective than Jean or X mind-humping?

Bring me your best.

*throws down the gauntlet*

Burden of proof is on you. Prove it can be effective despite being vastly inferior in both intensity and means of attack, and I'll concede.

I will bite. Since when has magneto countered an energy source similiar to chakra. Chakra is an energy of the spirtual variety leaving the "norm" which is what mutant abilities are based off of genetic traits. Is Doctor Strange projecting an image into someones mind the same as Xavier?

[321zigzag3]

Magneto has fought on the astral plane before.

But DL brings a good point, Sharingan genjutsu of all kinds can be haxxed depending on who but not everyone, I also like to include Toad Song and Demonic Flute as well.

[Devils Lawyer]

Magneto has fought on the astral plane before.

But DL brings a good point, Sharingan genjutsu of all kinds can be haxxed depending on who but not everyone, I also like to include Toad Song and Demonic Flute as well.
Up there goes my arguement I am done. I shall concede. That was my attempt at this thread.:lol:

[Frost ninja]

I will bite. Since when has magneto countered an energy source similiar to chakra. Chakra is an energy of the spirtual variety leaving the "norm" which is what mutant abilities are based off of genetic traits. Is Doctor Strange projecting an image into someones mind the same as Xavier?


According to the general rules of deb....

For the love of all that is... Ziggy I was getting to that D:<

[waterluffyG2]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/103/1033389/uncanny-x-men-20091008024401795.jpg
It's the helmet. Look on the inside, there are little electrode things. Those are the psi shields.

[Frost ninja]

Too distracted by Scott's handsome scruff.

[321zigzag3]

According to the general rules of deb....

For the love of all that is... Ziggy I was getting to that D:<

`o.o"

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/103/1033389/uncanny-x-men-20091008024401795.jpg
It's the helmet. Look on the inside, there are little electrode things. Those are the psi shields.

I swear he has done it without the helmet before.

[PrinceofPeace]

is it possible you guys are underestimating the uchicha.

This is an army of genjutsu uses not just one proffessor
Amaterasi would burn is helmet (I dont think magneto would like his head on fire}

Saskue susanoo arrows would go in for the kill

[321zigzag3]

For your sake you should retract this statement because Xavier's shown feats trump anything the uchiha has put together.

Xavier can go planetary with his telepathy.

Magneto has resisted both Xavier and Jean Grey. Both alone trump Uchiha.

The only thing he has anything to worry about is Tsukiyomi.

Amaterasu has to get past his shield first which will not occur.

His shield tanked nuclear blasts and hulk punches. The Arrow is not good enough.

Now maybe if Amaterasu sat there and started to burn his shield until it died out while Magneto sits there doing nothing then that is one thing.

[Wooster]

Wouldn't the Susano'o Soul Sucker sword actually be a threat to Magneto.

[321zigzag3]

Its not just a soul sucker. ITs a sealing technique that seals everything that is stabbed.

Magneto has no defense against those but he can block it with his shield unless of course the Totsuka Sword being spiritual somehow bypasses that.

It doesn't matter though because when Magneto is faced against multiple enemies he generally tends to fly anyway and when he sees bigger enemies or constructs he is lot more likely to take to the air. That is how he fights.

Not like how he fights in MVC2 or MVC3 or COTA or other such games. :lol:

[Wooster]

But what if he doesn't see the sword coming. It is kinda unexpected. :lol:

[321zigzag3]

Well Susano'o takes a bit of time to form to go at its fullest I think. Also if Magneto is not jobbing he has incredible reactions at least 14.5 to 17 times that of a normal human.

He has even plucked photons of light and guided lightspeed to FTL moving objects before.

Itachi with Totsuka is the only real threat plus with Madara although he is still has yet to show lots of feats.

THe problem is that Magneto can strike much faster than they can. This is the main problem.

Also no berating from others please, I am sure Prince was not aware of Comic Magneto at his full power or forgot about it.

[Wooster]

Well, maybe a few meteor from Madara be enough to distract Magento long enough for Itachi to pop him in the back with the soul suck?

[waterluffyG2]

`o.o"



I swear he has done it without the helmet before.
Might have been a retcon. Marvel is full of them. Anyway, did he do it against Xavier or lower telepaths?
Well, maybe a few meteor from Madara be enough to distract Magento long enough for Itachi to pop him in the back with the soul suck?
The soul sword wouldn't get through his shields, seeing as they can block teleporters. Anyway, magneto can fight as a ghost and has ripped the pheonix force out of jean before, so it isn't like he doesn't have soul feats himself.

[zer0light]

lets end this stupid thread, magneto drops multiple planet busting meteors on them, they all die and he stands there laughing as his shields protect him from damage.

/thread.

[321zigzag3]

Might have been a retcon. Marvel is full of them. Anyway, did he do it against Xavier or lower telepaths?

The soul sword wouldn't get through his shields, seeing as they can block teleporters. Anyway, magneto can fight as a ghost and has ripped the pheonix force out of jean before, so it isn't like he doesn't have soul feats himself.

I don't know anymore, shifting through archives is a lot of work.


I think its a better argument to argue the soul sword can be blocked due to Magneto's tanking of Galactu's cosmic beams.

I get what you mean by teleporters but they are more of Magneto's special abilities rather than just purely shield itself.

[waterluffyG2]

lets end this stupid thread, magneto drops multiple planet busting meteors on them, they all die and he stands there laughing as his shields protect him from damage.

/thread.

Multiple? When was there multiple?

[Wooster]

Might have been a retcon. Marvel is full of them. Anyway, did he do it against Xavier or lower telepaths?

The soul sword wouldn't get through his shields, seeing as they can block teleporters. Anyway, magneto can fight as a ghost and has ripped the pheonix force out of jean before, so it isn't like he doesn't have soul feats himself.Assumption. Not relevant as it is spirtual.
You have it backwards. His spirit would be gone.

[zer0light]

Multiple? When was there multiple?

one at a time, 1 to kill them all, another just to make sure and a 3rd just for the hell of it.

i'm surprised that this thread has gone on for this long. is it because of fan wank, ignorance of the marvel series, ppl wanting to discuss magneto's powers, or some other unexplainable reason?

not trying to be offensive here, just wanted to list all the possible reasons.

[waterluffyG2]

one at a time, 1 to kill them all, another just to make sure and a 3rd just for the hell of it.

The second and third ones will be rather pointless when there isn't a planet left.

[321zigzag3]

ignorance of the marvel series, ppl wanting to discuss magneto's powers



Mainly these two and it actually for a rare scene it went pretty well.

Normally it would not.



not trying to be offensive here, just wanted to list all the possible reasons.

I sure hope not. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png


No need to worry. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

[cnorwood]

magneto has blocked blasts from galactus but wount stand up to the totsuka sword????

[321zigzag3]

Its the whole spiritual element sword.

But anyway I did not argue this, I actually expected Galactus feat as a way to block Totsuka.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

is it possible you guys are underestimating the uchicha.

Madara throws meteors at people Tony Stark just hurled Jupiter at Eric and all it did was infuriate him

whats stopping Eric from ripping Venus out of orbit and shoving it up Madaras butt?

This is an army of genjutsu uses not just one proffessor
Amaterasi would burn is helmet (I dont think magneto would like his head on fire}

assuming amateretsu can even bypass his shields Eric can just turn it off

Saskue susanoo arrows would go in for the kill

Erics withstood millions of tons of force banging against his shields

But what if he doesn't see the sword coming. It is kinda unexpected. :lol:

Eric has magical experience dude he should see it just fine

and his standard MO when dealing with magic is "Throw it into orbit and then throw meteors at it in space as it dies slowly "


Magneto alwayss one of my favorites. I wonder how many people noticed that he is malcom x and Xavier is Martin Luther King.:lol:

our generation because our parents where teens or young adults during that era certainly made sure we made the connection

the average person born after say 89 prolly has to wiki that shite

[Devils Lawyer]

our generation because our parents where teens or young adults during that era certainly made sure we made the connection

the average person born after say 89 prolly has to wiki that shite

The similarities are blatant. Not only that it seems the creator of the x men was a genius to use the concept of civil rights movements as the basic theme. Which is why X men gained it's original popularity. Not only that it is one of the most influentual series ever. There probably wouldn't be series like one piece if not for it.

But as far as this thread goes low blow too much of a rape. Even before the current upgrades and standing Magneto was one of the most powerful on Marvel earth. He waged war with most of the marvel heroes several times and almost won on more than one occasion. We can even say that plot interferes with his victories.

[SageKakashi]

3 susanoo and Shisui + plenty of Pwns?
Magnetos isn't going to win easily.
Amaterasu, Tsukyomi? Susano'o spear that's to fast for magneto to react?

[Ultimate combatant]

As I said, it was argued he could beat Nappa.

In that case, he defeats entire clan, if this is strongest version of Magneto!!! :D

[zer0light]

As I said, it was argued he could beat Nappa.

In that case, he defeats entire clan, if this is strongest version of Magneto!!! :D

dude, comic magneto solos the entire DBZ verse, including the anime, fillers AND the movies.

him curbstomping naruto is a cakewalk.

[Ultimate combatant]

dude, comic magneto solos the entire DBZ verse, including the anime, fillers AND the movies.

him curbstomping naruto is a cakewalk.

Beating Nappa is more than enough to beat entire Uchiha clan. Whether he could beat someone stronger than Nappa is not even relevant (in this thread, at least)!!! :D

[zer0light]

there's a diff between beating 1 character from a verse, and soloing it. it's relevant to this thread in deciding if magneto has to stand up to curbstomp naruto verse, or just lounge around on his thrown and lazily flick his hand to call down the moon to kill them all.:twisted:

[Ultimate combatant]

there's a diff between beating 1 character from a verse, and soloing it. it's relevant to this thread in deciding if magneto has to stand up to curbstomp naruto verse, or just lounge around on his thrown and lazily flick his hand to call down the moon to kill them all.:twisted:

Either way, he wins!!! :D

[zer0light]

Either way, he wins!!! :D

yup, but i like the more destructive of the 2 options. you know what they say, "there's no kill like overkill!!!"

[_Peksi]

Magneto just rips everyone who gets close to him apart via blood iron manipulation.
Or he just rips open a wormhole that's connected to the sun, that should be pretty interesting

[TheBlackChidori]

He ripped apart Apocalypse. -_-

[kruptos]

Wow, IWD must have been bored for him to have made this thread. Magneto can solo the whole HST. All he has to do is drop a planet on them or he could use the iron in their blood. Uchihas are overrated and should all be killed.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

3 susanoo and Shisui + plenty of Pwns?

even if he had his anti telepathy defenses lowered he'd no sell Shisuis mind control with ease


Magnetos isn't going to win easily.

ehhh? He throws Mercury at their Susanoo's what happens?


Amaterasu, Tsukyomi? Susano'o spear that's to fast for magneto to react?

ehhh?

Wow, IWD must have been bored for him to have made this thread. Magneto can solo the whole HST. All he has to do is drop a planet on them or he could use the iron in their blood. Uchihas are overrated and should all be killed.

look at the posters comments that's why I've done it
He ripped apart Apocalypse. -_-

to be fair that has a lot to do with how stupid Poccy is

The similarities are blatant. Not only that it seems the creator of the x men was a genius to use the concept of civil rights movements as the basic theme. Which is why X men gained it's original popularity. Not only that it is one of the most influentual series ever. There probably wouldn't be series like one piece if not for it.
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I agree I'm just saying current gens dumb enough not to make the connection

[zer0light]

Wow, IWD must have been bored for him to have made this thread. Magneto can solo the whole HST. All he has to do is drop a planet on them or he could use the iron in their blood. Uchihas are overrated and should all be killed.

i 2nd this. great idea kruptos

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

i 2nd this. great idea kruptos

I like how both Uchihatards and DBZ tards infested the section almost immediately after recent events unfolded

[Ultimate combatant]

I like how both Uchihatards and DBZ tards infested the section almost immediately after recent events unfolded

What recent events? Did I miss something?!! :D

[waterluffyG2]

Susano'o spear that's to fast for magneto to react?

For someone who guided a massively FTL bullet?

Seriously?

[321zigzag3]

Susano'o Arrow is at least supersonic+ which something Magneto even if you go for the minimum 14.5 - 17 times that of Human reactions, shouldn't be a problem.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Susano'o Arrow is at least supersonic+ which something Magneto even if you go for the minimum 14.5 - 17 times that of Human reactions, shouldn't be a problem.

you know that figure for his reaction time always bothered me. It implies guy like Spiderman and Kenshin Himura would have no trouble blitzing him

when he's pimp smacked people as fast or much faster than both easily enough

[Wooster]

Well, Magneto's magnetism attacks could be much faster than he is?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Well, Magneto's magnetism attacks could be much faster than he is?

ehh the guy kinda has to control it too and he does a lot of complex crap at obscene speeds that lends a lot of value to him having light speed reaction time

his new feat with the planet killer suggests that he's capable of controlling the velocity of an FTL object from several hundred lightyears out..though I'm not sure if he was able to react to that because of distance or not..but all the same

[321zigzag3]

you know that figure for his reaction time always bothered me. It implies guy like Spiderman and Kenshin Himura would have no trouble blitzing him

I only mention it for those who keep doubting Magneto's superhuman reactions because they are those who do so. Like those who only think Magneto can only control metal.

The cartoon, movie versions are too ingrained. Also I use it as a canonical statement thats his minimum and then scale it up with his reaction showings.


Because just like MAgneto can use his EM to power his strength.
HE can power his other physical stats.

I am pretty sure that is how via EM guided that FTL meteorite very far away and pluck out photon from light.

So can he have FTL reaction? Technically yeah and but more with his power but its fool hardy to dismiss it.

Its kind of like in a way why Superman or Thor never goes all out on Earth.

Perhaps I should distinguish his mental reactions.


As for Spiderman and Kenshin Himura. For the former that sounds like him on a serious good day and when he is close distance.

As for Kenshin similar thing. Close range distance blitzing.

That is what both spiderman and himura specialize on. They usually don't try to blitz from lengthy quarters. Spiderman specializes more on his sudden agility and Himura for his technique. Both reflexes.



when he's pimp smacked people as fast or much faster than both easily enough

Quicksilver is one of them.


Are you saying himura is low hypersonic? I can see Spiderman being so with intense sudden agility.

Or perhaps my understanding 14.5 -17 times reaction is off.
I once asked you how fast would you be if you have 15 times reaction of a human.
You said high end bullet timer. What does that mean then.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I catch a lot of flak for this but I generally put Himura and Spiderman about dead even stat wise..with Himura edging out slightly in striking power and Pete in agility

[321zigzag3]

I catch a lot of flak for this but I generally put Himura and Spiderman about dead even stat wise..with Himura edging out slightly in striking power and Pete in agility

Webbing?


Anyway how fast is high end bullet timer?

[Devils Lawyer]

Meh individual abilities in comics are completely subjective. The OBD is one of the only places that uses calcs to define character's. Alot of people disregard looking at fiction like that. Which is why debates such as Superman vs Goku is still a popular debate. It all depends how you look at it.

[waterluffyG2]

Well, Magneto's magnetism attacks could be much faster than he is?

Seeing as he was constantly following it with his mind and guiding/ accelerating it along its journey, highly unlikely.

[321zigzag3]

I suppose this thread should be locked?

Meh individual abilities in comics are completely subjective. The OBD is one of the only places that uses calcs to define character's. Alot of people disregard looking at fiction like that. Which is why debates such as Superman vs Goku is still a popular debate.

Well not everyone there accepts calculations either. OBD did not originate the calculation idea. Even MVC once in a while entertains OBD's calculations and makes their own.

It all depends how you look at it.

Of course, it also depends what you believe.

That said, if you are going to debate about it try to learn all incarnations and all versions and all power.

Unsurprisingly this pathway often led most to Superman's side.

[Devils Lawyer]

I suppose this thread should be locked?



Well not everyone there accepts calculations either. OBD did not originate the calculation idea. Even MVC once in a while entertains OBD's calculations and makes their own.



Of course, it also depends what you believe.

That said, if you are going to debate about it try to learn all incarnations and all versions and all power.

Unsurprisingly this pathway often led most to Superman's side.
The only reason the debate still has room to wiggle for Goku is because of Supermans ever present contradictions. Mainly they give him a huge feat then nerf him.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I don't like calcs even got them outlawed on CBR

I realize they make good references and stuff my issue is when debaters use science to dismiss feats because "they don't make scientific sense"

[cnorwood]

the reason goku vs superman is still a debate is because of people dont read the manga and only have watched the dubbed anime, which is alot stronger than the regular anime, which is alot stronger than the manga. Its funny tho because while people will point out supes low ends they will forget or ignore gokus

[Devils Lawyer]

You know you can argue the magic argument with Goku though. Considering ki is not a natural energy it is spiritual. Which for the most part falls into the magic energy category.

[cnorwood]

I would have to find the interview but i think the only type of ki that is considered magic in the dbu is majin boos ki

[Devils Lawyer]

I would also consider a namekian power to fall into that category. Piccolo has been shown capable of materializing clothing and weapons. No normal energy can perform such feats. Not to mention the capabilities of the dragonballs which is blatantly magic.

[cnorwood]

I would also consider a namekian power to fall into that category. Piccolo has been shown capable of materializing clothing and weapons. No normal energy can perform such feats. Not to mention the capabilities of the dragonballs which is blatantly magic.
Well IIRC that is a special ability that piccolo has and not all namekians, and again im kind of sure that toriyama made a distinction between that and magical ki

[Devils Lawyer]

Meh db originally sticks close to home with the concept of magic. Hence Goku drinking the water. But alas Goku went into space and the concept of their energy source got vague. Kami was capable of creating a moon. If that is not magic then that means he is a powerful reality bender.

[321zigzag3]

Magic is a broad interchangeable term but at the same time authors try to really specify what magic is.

Look at Power Cosmic in Marvel, in other series it would seem very similar to magic but Marvel clearly defines them as coming from a different regardless of similar achievements as magic could do.

I recall a Galactus vs SSj4 Gogeta thread in Animevice, someone tried to argue Power Cosmic was magic because it was similar to magic in other fictions.

Used even Forgotten Magic wiki and Dungeons and Dragons wiki as proof Power Cosmic was magic.

The problem is, authors define magic differently.

In Marvel PC is not.

As for DB in this case, Ki is usually portrayed not as a pure magic type thing if you know what I mean.

[cnorwood]

there was an interview with toriyama explaining ki and magic, but kanzentai hasnt moved their translations to their new site

[Frost ninja]

You know you can argue the magic argument with Goku though. Considering ki is not a natural energy it is spiritual. Which for the most part falls into the magic energy category.


You mean for superman?
Doesn't he often mingle with Mxy? And then there was the bottle city business.

[321zigzag3]

If I recall SUperman in Post Crisis actualy became immune to magic at some point in time?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

If I recall SUperman in Post Crisis actualy became immune to magic at some point in time?

no he didn't

he became as resistant to magic as the average dude..if the average dude could smash through small planets

basically mid to high end magic still effed his sh*t up really badly

[Wooster]

To be fair, Naruto and co really are more like magicians than ninjas. :???:

[321zigzag3]

This reminds me of a post that once said Fairy Law would KO Superman.