23rd Budokai Goku vs HST

[megabbaut]

Can this version of Goku solo?

[Devils Lawyer]

Nope not no more. As a matter of fact I doubt the whole entire 23rd could win. Aokiji creates an ice age.

[cnorwood]

speed isnt equalized? well then goku stil rotflolstomps. not only should goku be a casual island raizer but he should be a moonbuster (IIRC the daizenshuu said his chou kamehameha had the power to bust the moon, and I dont see why not)

[Devils Lawyer]

speed isnt equalized? well then goku stil rotflolstomps. not only should goku be a casual island raizer but he should be a moonbuster (IIRC the daizenshuu said his chou kamehameha had the power to bust the moon, and I dont see why not)

How does he shrug off an Ice age? Which has nothing to do with power. Also if you haven't noticed Op is slowly gaining on them in speed if not already caught up to 23rd characters.

[cnorwood]

How does he shrug off an Ice age? Which has nothing to do with power. Also if you haven't noticed Op is slowly gaining on them in speed if not already caught up to 23rd characters.
by doing a island raizer, or by jumping to the troposphere and shooting a chou kamehameha

[Frost ninja]

Ice age...
Can't the stronger latter for the 23'rd fly somewhat?
Although I'm not discounting OP's ability to match in speed. Kizaru, to make a small note...

[Devils Lawyer]

That could work but you may not want to hear this but there is Minato. Most kamehameha is not as fast as them in actual combat especially back then. Minato could technically redirect the energy.:lol:

[Frost ninja]

Pretty much the only people who survive are the ones who can fly, and even then so long as they do the admiral shield or keep the remaining few occupied, Law can dice the rest.

If he isn't blitzed its a done deal

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Goku still retains a dramatic destructive edge and durability edge

in short this is laughable

[cnorwood]

ignoring the fact that mintao never deflected a moonbuster, IIRC he has to have tags set up for that to be effective. when he did that to the kyubis blast it hit a mountain somewhere else. if he could do did that to gokus blast they would still all die

[Devils Lawyer]

Not against natural elements, hax, and also a mountain sized monster made of poison. Speaking of which if hit with a blast explodes and reforms. Yeah hst has reached that Plateu now IWD they can clear 23rd levels now.
ignoring the fact that mintao never deflected a moonbuster, IIRC he has to have tags set up for that to be effective. when he did that to the kyubis blast it hit a mountain somewhere else. if he could do did that to gokus blast they would still all die

A full Kurama attack could be scaled to the power of all twelve bijuu. Redirecting the energy only requires two tags being thrown. Also Goku getting the time to crank out a full moonbuster would be pretty hard. Not to mention the army of haxxed individuals gunning at him while he is doing so.

[cnorwood]

the monster gets vaporized i dont see the problem

[TheBlackChidori]

I'd say they are still way under Raditz but they're slowly catching up to Goku and Piccolo. And that's only because an outrageous vartiety of attacks and weapons. That said, no one HST has yet to show speed above Tao or durability.

[cnorwood]

IIRC Luffy would beat tao in all aspects. of course the diffrence between tao and the 22nd budokai, the leap to piccolo daimao, and the colassal jump to the 23rd budokai is huge

[Devils Lawyer]

the monster gets vaporized i dont see the problem

You don't understand it explodes and regenerates.

[TheBlackChidori]

IIRC Luffy would beat tao in all aspects. of course the diffrence between tao and the 22nd budokai, the leap to piccolo daimao, and the colassal jump to the 23rd budokai is huge

Cyborg to specify.

[Devils Lawyer]

Did Tao increase in speed as a cyborg? He only beat up Chaotzu that is not a good speed gauge. But anyways there is too much Haxx going on for any 23rd character pulling a win. Akainu releases a meteor strike similiar to armageddon. Aokoji creates an Ice age. Blackbeard quakes which should effectivley cut down speed. Then the list goes on.

[Nigoyukai]

He doesn't solo the HST at once. He will kill almost all of them and will barely make it, but eventually he'll lose or he wins with extreme difficulty/effort and would have to be near-dead or near-depleted of chi and stamina. Although he still has the quantifiable speed advantage to the point he can still speedblitz any HST character, he's stuck at island-level busting/tanking.

[cnorwood]

You don't understand it explodes and regenerates.you dont understand, it gets vaporized. there is a huge diffrence between getting put on fire and getting vaporized.

He doesn't solo the HST at once. He will kill almost all of them and will barely make it, but eventually he'll lose or he wins with extreme difficulty/effort and would have to be near-dead or near-depleted of chi and stamina. Although he still has the quantifiable speed advantage to the point he can still speedblitz any HST character, he's stuck at island-level busting/tanking.
are you sure you read the 23rd budokai, and again i dont see any problem with moon busting chou kamehamehas; and again an exhausted piccolo almost out of his ki, raized that island. Goku is much stronger.

[Devils Lawyer]

you dont understand, it gets vaporized. there is a huge diffrence between getting put on fire and getting vaporized.

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No you don't understand it didn't get put on fire it ignited like a bomb. The creature itself turned into a bomb. Did you not read the today chapter.

Beside that point few hundred thousand attacks at one time Goku gets hammered. Not unless you are saying Goku can dodge that many attacks. Op for example has a surplus of indivduals in the hypersonic region. Even if he is faster with that many attacks coming at him he get silenced.

[cnorwood]

again how will the monster regenerate if he is vaporized? and again goku jumps in the troposphere and moonbusts; and thats if he wants to do it the easy way. the other way would be him running around at his superior speeds and doing piccolo level island raizers

[Devils Lawyer]

again how will the monster regenerate if he is vaporized? and again goku jumps in the troposphere and moonbusts; and thats if he wants to do it the easy way. the other way would be him running around at his superior speeds and doing piccolo level island raizers

You don't get it the monster was vaporized. Again a few 1,000 pacifista lasers, a few attacks that cover several thousand kilometers in one go, Kizaru, a meteor strike straight out of the apocalypse and a list of attacks I don't feel like going into. The minute the fight starts they will all be gunning for Goku.

[Frost ninja]

Didn't luffy dodge some mach 15 lazer?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

no he wasn't vaporized he was never vaporized

[Devils Lawyer]

Didn't luffy dodge some mach 15 lazer?

Yep Luffy current speed is unknown.

[cnorwood]

the monster wasnt vaporized idk where you got that from. goku does a piccolo island clearer, then jumps into the troposphere and shoots a moon buster at the ground. he takes out a majority of the opponents then kills them off. the only one who could possibly survive with his travel, but kizaru by himself isnt a threat

[321zigzag3]

DL show that vaporized monster in page number for confirmation then.

[Nigoyukai]

you dont understand, it gets vaporized. there is a huge diffrence between getting put on fire and getting vaporized.


are you sure you read the 23rd budokai, and again i dont see any problem with moon busting chou kamehamehas; and again an exhausted piccolo almost out of his ki, raized that island. Goku is much stronger.

No, I don't think he was at that level of moon buster yet during the 23rd Budokai. More like early in Saiyan Saga (right around he faced Radditz). If he was a solid moon buster/tanker at that point, then he'd easily solo.

[Devils Lawyer]

DL show that vaporized monster in page number for confirmation then.
Ch 670 page 11 till the end should fully illustrate the creature.

[cnorwood]

No, I don't think he was at that level of moon buster yet during the 23rd Budokai. More like early in Saiyan Saga (right around he faced Radditz). If he was a solid moon buster/tanker at that point, then he'd easily solo.
Gokus pl at the 23rd budokai was higher than 260 but even if he didnt get stronger we know from the raditz fight that a regular kamehameha more than doubles someones combat power. a chou kamehameha should increase it more but lets assume it does the same as the regular kamehameha. Gokus kamehameha during the 23rd budokai shouldve at least given him a combat power of 540, we know from the saiyan saga a solid 408 can bust the moon. and if you dont like that the daizenshhuu says his kamehameha couldve busted the moon during that fight.
Ch 670 page 11 till the end should fully illustrate the creature. i didnt see it getting vaporized. not every explosion is a vaporizing explosion

[Ultimate combatant]

I personally don`t see Luffy beating Tao (normal one) yet.

Also, how, where and who came to conclusion Pacifista beam is Mach 15?!! :D

[Devils Lawyer]

i didnt see it getting vaporized. not every explosion is a vaporizing explosion

So it's well within the range Goku puts out casually. You know what the real problem is most of you don't really notice how powerful hst has become.You realize long before the current fights in OP shanks and WB split the sky casually. So Goku escapes to where. Also physically Op is a few times more powerful than Goku. Mind you chopper picked up a massive iceberg that can be compared with the one Jozu picked. Luffy one shot him. Then there is the fact Mihawk casually released a sword stroke a few miles long. Now we have Madara who releases one several thousand kilometers. Then there is the bijuu Naruto by himself engulfed half a mountain range 6 others covered the other half. Goku escapes to where again. The only arguement really is speed 23rd goku can't tank none of that. Even then Kizaru in his light form and Enel's lightning are more than enough in that department. If Kizaru closes the distance he is more than strong enough to fight him close in. Considering what characters in his bracket are doing. Goku having enough time to launch a decent Kamhameha is slim to none.

[Ajomies]

Goku dies, horribly. He is so heavily outmatched here...

Luffy will propably just punch Goku out. Goku has speed and fire power comparable to HST high tiers, nothing else.

Edit:

Luffy, Kizaru, Madara, Naruto, Bijuu, Akainu, Aokiji, Whitebeard, Dangai Ichigo, Monster Aizen... all rape Goku easily. A lot more characters could beat him as well.

[Ultimate combatant]

Goku dies, horribly. He is so heavily outmatched here...

Luffy will propably just punch Goku out. Goku has speed and fire power comparable to HST high tiers, nothing else.

Before continuing debate 23rd Budokai Goku vs HST,...

You say, Luffy would probably punch Goku out.

Even Goku as he was during 22nd Budokai would crush Luffy because of far greater speed, strength, durability, techniques, intellect, tactics, experience,... and overall abilities!!! :D

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Goku dies, horribly. He is so heavily outmatched here...

Luffy will propably just punch Goku out. Goku has speed and fire power comparable to HST high tiers, nothing else.


this is of course an absolute lie..and if you continue to make these pants on head retarded posts you're not gonna have a future here

wise up and stop fapping

[Devils Lawyer]

this is of course an absolute lie..and if you continue to make these pants on head retarded posts you're not gonna have a future here

wise up and stop fapping

Actually physically op is more powerful than 23rd Goku. He is massively more powerful in energy attacks, and speed. But that is arguable you don't think Kizaru in his light form and physically can handle Goku in close combat?

[Ultimate combatant]

Actually physically op is more powerful than 23rd Goku. He is massively more powerful in energy attacks, and speed. But that is arguable you don't think Kizaru in his light form and physically can handle Goku in close combat?

I think 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Goku is quite much above One Piece not only in speed, strength, techniques and many more things.

I don`t see how entire One Pieceverse (and I`m talking about 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai) could beat him without effectively using their powers (in a way similar to Kinkaku and Ginkaku). In other words, One Piece has a great variety of powers (including many which defy traditional logic, thus being a threat to an otherwise resistant character) which if used in conjunction should defeat Goku.

But just by uniting strength in hope to physically overpower him? No. Or hardly, considering One Pieceverse is getting stronger each week and more variety and characters we are shown. Then there is this whole Gol D. Roger and Dragon power level mystery. Perhaps even Gorosei and Pluto, Poseidon and Uranus. But going by what was shown,... Goku wins.

I don`t see how Kizaru could win. Logias are bothersome but many tend to underestimate Goku`s battle prowess. He`d definitely find a weakness. Water being just one of them. Also, I`ll assume Goku can retreat. After all, Planet on which entire HST is should be huge. Huge enough for Goku to rest and such!!! :D

[Nigoyukai]

Goku dies, horribly. He is so heavily outmatched here...

Luffy will propably just punch Goku out. Goku has speed and fire power comparable to HST high tiers, nothing else.

Edit:

Luffy, Kizaru, Madara, Naruto, Bijuu, Akainu, Aokiji, Whitebeard, Dangai Ichigo, Monster Aizen... all rape Goku easily. A lot more characters could beat him as well.

The edit is full of wankery.

Goku is easily a planet tanker, are Luffy's punches strong enough to one-shot a planet? And no, Goku's speed and firepower are incomparable to them, Goku's are vastly higher than anyone from the HST. Goku's striking strength also surpasses pretty much everyone save for Madara's Perfect Susanoo and a hyped Kurama (mountain busting). Speed, strength, durability, attack power, battle experience/intellect, Goku handily kills everyone you mentioned.

[Frost ninja]

23rd isnt a planet tanker yet. He cant even tank a monkey squeeze by this point, or raditz stepping on his ribs. A mind-you to OP perhaps being a bit less powerful, but I do agree Logias would give him some serious trouble.

[Devils Lawyer]

23rd isnt a planet tanker yet. He cant even tank a monkey squeeze by this point, or raditz stepping on his ribs. A mind-you to OP perhaps being a bit less powerful, but I do agree Logias would give him some serious trouble.
This and tanking ki attacks is not the same as physically taking a blow in db. They keeled over from way less during the 23rd than op has put out. Didn't Tien get cut by a knife.:lol:

[Frost ninja]

It was a destructo knife™. Not even cell can avoid getting his fingers cut when making sammiches using the almighty destructo knife™ (Coming in the colors black and pink). Just call 555-krillin :D