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Kioroshi.
05-17-2012, 10:45 AM
Discuss.


This is Edo Madara.

Ultimate combatant
05-17-2012, 12:00 PM
Hmmm,... Do Konan, Itachi, and Pain count as Akatsuki even though in the end they betrayed Tobi?!! :D

Cult of Personality
05-17-2012, 12:47 PM
Itachi Totsuka stabs while the rest of Akatsuki are occupying Madara by being brutally murdered by him.

JLI2infinity
05-17-2012, 01:18 PM
Easy win for Akatsuki another overestimation of Madara's skill if this was made with the mindset that this would be a good fight. If I have to give an in depth strategy I will but for now I'll just go with a general way for this to be an easy win.

Deidara takes to the sky preparing some of his more powerful bombs, Konan joins him. Sasori summons Third Kazekage and begins to surround Madara with Iron Sand. Kisame goes underground with Samehada. Kakuzu sends some of his wires underground while releasing his wind and fire masks. Itachi parries Madara's Susano'o with his own. Animal Path uses all of her summons to help out, the other five paths of pain take naps. Madara gets completely overwhelmed.

Noctis Arashi
05-17-2012, 02:14 PM
What's stopping izanami? Just curious.

TheBlackChidori
05-17-2012, 04:28 PM
Pain with 9 other Akatsuki members? Gedo Maza?

Kioroshi.
05-18-2012, 04:11 PM
Does meteor count here? :)

or that forest...Its not a complete stomp from akatsuki. Madara could still have some chance.


(Not a madara fanboy don't worry I just don't want my thread end so fast lol T_T)

Cult of Personality
05-18-2012, 04:38 PM
If it were a complete stomp for Akatsuki they could win without taking any damage. They can't. But they still win because Itachi Totsuka stabs him while he's busy murderizing the other members.

medlnic15
05-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Akatsuki would win.
Edo Madara or not, it doesn't matter..

Easy win for Akatsuki another overestimation of Madara's skill if this was made with the mindset that this would be a good fight.

Madara gets completely overwhelmed.
I agree.

SageKakashi
05-20-2012, 05:53 AM
Even without Itachi, Madara would lose no questions asked.
The whole Akatsuki is far to overwhelming for ANY ninja alone, besides possibly SO6P, but he has no feats.

Shikamaru Nara
05-20-2012, 06:07 AM
Itachi makes it overkill.
Yahiko and Nagato cry an emo river.
Itachi takes a hefty crap on Madara.

The only thing that might break Susano'o is the meteor.

TobiramaSenju307
07-13-2012, 05:13 AM
itachis not overkill. only reason hes here helping is totsuka sealing which can already be accomplished more easily by nagatos human path.

third kazekage iron sand is a nigh unbreakable defence. sasori will be able to counter mokutons, as will kakuzu and nagato.
remember theres still chibaku tensei, gedo mazo, unkillable cerberus summon, wind release gale palm, rinne tensei to revive any dead akatsukis, ST and BT. remember madara was counting on nagato being as strong as he is but doesnt know nagato has mastered rinnegans full arsenal.

PrinceofPeace
07-13-2012, 01:02 PM
There is no sealing jutsu for the akaskui so Madara wins WITH PERFECT SUSANOO

TobiramaSenju307
07-13-2012, 08:55 PM
There is no sealing jutsu for the akaskui
totsuka, soul removal

PrinceofPeace
07-13-2012, 09:40 PM
its useless against Madara's regenaration abilities or Madara's perfect susanoo.


Plus how would Itachi know which one is the real one. Madara can make all of his wood clones use susanoo. that would take out all ot the akasuki except for Itachi and Pain.

Itachi will soon be overwhelmed then killed.

Pain does not have any sealing jutsu and then gets tired and dies

JLI2infinity
07-13-2012, 11:06 PM
its useless against Madara's regenaration abilities or Madara's perfect susanoo.


Plus how would Itachi know which one is the real one. Madara can make all of his wood clones use susanoo. that would take out all ot the akasuki except for Itachi and Pain.

Itachi will soon be overwhelmed then killed.

Pain does not have any sealing jutsu and then gets tired and dies

Wow, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet.

Umm you think that all the Akatsuki would die by those clones, certainly not. Kakuzu just merges with his fire and wind masks while his lightning and water masks guard against his blind spots. Madara has no way of getting close to him and those wires can dig right into Susano'o. Deidara will do fine against those clones he can just fly around and evade like Onoki was doing then he can blow them up from long range. Sasori just has to mix tactics using both his main body and the Third Kazekage at the same time to fight. The reason A and Gaara got defeated were because they got distracted mid battle and worried about Mei and Tsunade. Akatsuki are much more merciless in combat.

Also, unlike the Kage team which were just a rag tag group of high class shinobi from different villages. The Akatsuki have been travelling in pairs for years, they know each other's abilities fairly well.

Like everyone else in this thread has said too many abilities, too much skill, too many different tactics for one shinobi to keep up with. These ninja are all S class. And except for Hidan they are pretty much mid-tier S class too, not lower tier like Mei and Tsunade.

I'll just go through the techniques that I could see incapacitating or countering Madara right now.

Nanobombs: virtually no defense for them, breaks him into pieces so small by the time he can regenerate Itachi has been waiting there with his Totsuka Sword

Water Dome: even if he has regen. he still follows normal physiology, if he can't breathe he drowns, on top of that you have Kisame merged with Samehada and swimming around the dome at high speed eating Susano'o's chakra and cutting Madara to pieces

Giant Shark Bullet: the ideal technique for countering Madara's Perfect Susano'o

Human Path: if Nagato manages to grab Madara's actual body he just sucks the soul out and ends the fight

Preta Path: this essentially makes every attack Madara's used so far except Hashirama's techniques and genjutsu, useless

Tsukuyomi: Madara goes night night

Sasori's Poison: Again Madara follows normal human physiology, even if poison doesn't kill him it can still paralyze him

Konan's Paper Bombs (w/ prep): Give Konan long enough on the battlefield and she'll have enough paper bombs to destroy Susano'o and damage Madara enough that it slows his regen. and Itachi or Nagato can seal him

Kakuzu's wires: Kakuzu's already a beast in the strength department if he burrows his wires underground or gets them through Susano'o he can dig them into Madara's skin and forcibly restrain him, like a more powerful version of Shadow Sewing.

Zetsu spores: I know it'd seem like Zetsu would be useless in this fight but not only can he serve as a well timed substitute to fool Madara into thinking an enemy is dead, but if he lands his spores on Madara he can suck away chakra and then crawl to his comrades and heal them.

On top of all of this if any enemy gets downed as long as Nagato is alive he can just walk over to them and use Naraka Path to bring them back to life.

PrinceofPeace
07-14-2012, 10:34 AM
It all depends on if they r in. Character or bloodlusted the akaskui can win but madara would b hard to seal

palystationboy7
07-14-2012, 11:09 AM
is orochimaru and hidan included in this

JLI2infinity
07-14-2012, 01:10 PM
It all depends on if they r in. Character or bloodlusted the akaskui can win but madara would b hard to seal

Well of course Madara would be hard to seal, but in character Madara would be ranting about how beneath him all those shinobi are before he gets owned by all their techniques lol.

Madara uchiha+kurama
07-21-2012, 12:26 PM
Akatsuki would win.
Edo Madara or not, it doesn't matter..


I agree.

Edo madara will win.its simple becuse he is in his prime so he knows all jutsu belonging to uchhiha.he also has a power of 1st hokage.tobtsuka blade need less distance to penetrate madara and sel him.which is not possible in his current state..

JLI2infinity
07-21-2012, 07:19 PM
Edo madara will win.its simple becuse he is in his prime so he knows all jutsu belonging to uchhiha.he also has a power of 1st hokage.tobtsuka blade need less distance to penetrate madara and sel him.which is not possible in his current state..

Well congrats, you basically ignored every other post in this thread which gave arguments for why the Akatsuki win and posted what you wanted lol. No, the Akatsuki have plenty of techniques that will let Itachi get close enough to use Totsuka.

PrinceofPeace
07-21-2012, 07:23 PM
Is possible but can the akatuski handle an army of Susanoo?

I am just saying it would not be easy and they would have to find the real Madara

PrinceofPeace
07-21-2012, 07:37 PM
Kakuzu just merges with his fire and wind masks while his lightning and water masks guard against his blind spots wires can dig right into Susano'o.
Deidara will do fine against those clones he can just fly around and evade like Onoki was doing then he can blow them up from long range.

Sasori just has to mix tactics using both his main body and the Third Kazekage at the same time to fight.


Nanobombs: virtually no defense for them, breaks him into pieces so small by the time he can regenerate Itachi has been waiting there with his Totsuka Sword

Water Dome: even if he has regen. he still follows normal physiology, if he can't breathe he drowns, on top of that you have Kisame merged with Samehada and swimming around the dome at high speed eating Susano'o's chakra and cutting Madara to pieces

Giant Shark Bullet: the ideal technique for countering Madara's Perfect Susano'o

Human Path: if Nagato manages to grab Madara's actual body he just sucks the soul out and ends the fight

Preta Path: this essentially makes every attack Madara's used so far except Hashirama's techniques and genjutsu, useless

Tsukuyomi: Madara goes night night

Sasori's Poison: Again Madara follows normal human physiology, even if poison doesn't kill him it can still paralyze him

Konan's Paper Bombs (w/ prep): Give Konan long enough on the battlefield and she'll have enough paper bombs to destroy Susano'o and damage Madara enough that it slows his regen. and Itachi or Nagato can seal him

Kakuzu's wires: Kakuzu's already a beast in the strength department if he burrows his wires underground or gets them through Susano'o he can dig them into Madara's skin and forcibly restrain him, like a more powerful version of Shadow Sewing.

Zetsu spores: I know it'd seem like Zetsu would be useless in this fight but not only can he serve as a well timed substitute to fool Madara into thinking an enemy is dead, but if he lands his spores on Madara he can suck away chakra and then crawl to his comrades and heal them.

On top of all of this if any enemy gets downed as long as Nagato is alive he can just walk over to them and use Naraka Path to bring them back to life.

Madara can use Amaterasu on Deidara and Kakazu and Sasori they are not close to as fast as A so that should take care of them

Nanobombs would be lethal but could be absorbed..unlikely though BUT the nanobombs would endanger his teammates

waterdome can not contain all of the many susanoo and he could use Amterasu on Kisame he is not A level speed in the water

Water Shark Jusu would be a great attack but not when Kisame is set on fire. OR Madara could abosrb the attack

Human path is not that fast and good luck getting past susanoo AND finding the real Madara

Madara can abosrb jutsu as well and use Tsukuyomi to counter Tsukuyomi

madara counters posion with fire style or explosion the posion puts his teammates in danger as well

Madara can set Konan ablaze with Amaterasu or meteors from the sky kill her or she is trapped in genjutsu

Zetsu would just be an annoying distraction he could not do any real damage

So thats my comback ... YOUR MOVE FRIEND

Godaime Kazekage
07-24-2012, 06:46 AM
Akatsuki wins-the Kages have the capability to beat Edo Madara (and they still might do it). Akatsuki has been working together longer and has more members.

@PoP: Itachi can (probably) put out Amaterasu, if you use the argument that it's not valid because it hasn't been shown in the manga, Madara hasn't been shown to use Amaterasu in the manga either b:). Also, Madara has to deal with all of the Akatsuki at the same time, so assuming he can counter certain attacks, he still has to put up all of these counters at the same time.

PrinceofPeace
07-24-2012, 07:31 AM
DID you not read my arugument above.... comeback to those arugments I stated above

Madara can EASILY out number them by using wood clones and then the wood clones would use Susanoo to make an army of Susanoo

Madara used Amaterasu in the manga... and Madra has the requirements to use Amaterasu

JLI2infinity
07-24-2012, 03:29 PM
Madara can use Amaterasu on Deidara and Kakazu and Sasori they are not close to as fast as A so that should take care of them

Nanobombs would be lethal but could be absorbed..unlikely though BUT the nanobombs would endanger his teammates

waterdome can not contain all of the many susanoo and he could use Amterasu on Kisame he is not A level speed in the water

Water Shark Jusu would be a great attack but not when Kisame is set on fire. OR Madara could abosrb the attack

Human path is not that fast and good luck getting past susanoo AND finding the real Madara

Madara can abosrb jutsu as well and use Tsukuyomi to counter Tsukuyomi

madara counters posion with fire style or explosion the posion puts his teammates in danger as well

Madara can set Konan ablaze with Amaterasu or meteors from the sky kill her or she is trapped in genjutsu

Zetsu would just be an annoying distraction he could not do any real damage

So thats my comback ... YOUR MOVE FRIEND

Nanobombs give off chakra which is how they could be seen but they are not made of chakra meaning Madara ain't absorbin sh*t.

Deidara maneuvers extremely well in the air, Kakashi couldn't even get a good enough aim to use Kamui correctly, Gaara could barely grab a hold of him, and one shinobi said that Deidara and Onoki were moving so quickly in the air that they were hardly visible. On top of that Deidara now has experience dodging very quick opponents in the air. After his fight with Kakashi and Gaara he was cautious against Sasuke using bigger, faster birds and keeping a clay clone out instead of his real body. On top of that Amaterasu is a technique that requires focus, against multiple HIGHLY skilled enemies it is probably very challenging to do which is why we most likely haven't seen it in the Kage fight, I also doubt that Madara is as proficient with the flames as Sasuke is. Sasori is also very fast in his puppet form maybe even as fast as Itachi (of course we didn't see enough feats other than speed blitzing Sakura and Chiyo) on top of that he's got a bunch of puppets for shields. Kakuzu is also fast, he was outperforming Kakashi in taijutsu so catching him wouldn't be easy.

On top of that and this has already been mentioned, Itachi can just put the flames out.

Water dome was like a two miles in diameter, it was probably bigger than the forest Madara summoned and it moves with the opponents. It was so big that Darui, A, and Shee just looked at it and were able to find Bee. Oh and then there's also that ENORMOUS wave of sharks Kisame can use that can clear those Mokuton clones right off the battlefield. I think you forgot how much of a monster he is. And in case you forgot if you say Madara absorbs the Water Dome he can't use Susano'o while using Preta Path so while he's absorbing an entire lake Itachi just stabs him in the chest with Totsuka.

Did you seriously say Kisame gets set on fire??? Kisame's water techniques >>>> Madara's fire techniques. Kisame's probably got the best water techniques in the verse most likely because of his ridiculous stamina.

Madara uses genjutsu from his Mangekyo...genjutsu =/= tsukuyomi. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is on a level of it's own, it wouldn't be able to be broken from another person like when Onoki touched A. This has been explained numerous times so if Madara gets caught in Tsukuyomi he's screwed.

YOUR MOVE

PrinceofPeace
07-24-2012, 03:51 PM
Nanobombs give off chakra which is how they could be seen but they are not made of chakra meaning Madara ain't absorbin sh*t.

Deidara maneuvers extremely well in the air, Kakashi couldn't even get a good enough aim to use Kamui correctly, Gaara could barely grab a hold of him, and one shinobi said that Deidara and Onoki were moving so quickly in the air that they were hardly visible. On top of that Deidara now has experience dodging very quick opponents in the air. After his fight with Kakashi and Gaara he was cautious against Sasuke using bigger, faster birds and keeping a clay clone out instead of his real body. On top of that Amaterasu is a technique that requires focus, against multiple HIGHLY skilled enemies it is probably(lets keep probably out of our debate. it is not a fact so you can not use it-PoP) very challenging to do which is why we most likely haven't seen it in the Kage fight, I also doubt that Madara is as proficient with the flames as Sasuke is. Sasori is also very fast in his puppet form maybe even as fast as Itachi (of course we didn't see enough feats other than speed blitzing Sakura and Chiyo) on top of that he's got a bunch of puppets for shields. Kakuzu is also fast, he was outperforming Kakashi in taijutsu so catching him wouldn't be easy.

On top of that and this has already been mentioned, Itachi can just put the flames out.

Water dome was like a two miles in diameter, it was probably ( theres that word again) bigger than the forest Madara summoned and it moves with the opponents. It was so big that Darui, A, and Shee just looked at it and were able to find Bee. Oh and then there's also that ENORMOUS wave of sharks Kisame can use that can clear those Mokuton clones right off the battlefield. I think you forgot how much of a monster he is( BELIEVE ME kisame is my FAVORITE CHARACTE I know how much of a Beast he is). And in case you forgot if you say Madara absorbs the Water Dome he can't use Susano'o while using Preta Path so while he's absorbing an entire lake(where did you find the info in orange) Itachi just stabs him in the chest with Totsuka.

Did you seriously say Kisame gets set on fire??? Kisame's water techniques >>>> Madara's fire techniques. Kisame's probably got the best water techniques in the verse most likely because of his ridiculous stamina.

Madara uses genjutsu from his Mangekyo...genjutsu =/= tsukuyomi. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is on a level of it's own, it wouldn't be able to be broken from another person like when Onoki touched A. This has been explained numerous times so if Madara gets caught in Tsukuyomi he's screwed.

YOUR MOVE

it is ninjutsu so the power of the attack can be abosrbed. Even if it can not the Nanobombs would KILL MOST OF HIS TEAM and Madara could regenerate

Amaterasu needs focus? well any good jutsu does and Saskue used it well against A or when Itachi used it to counter Saskue's fire not that much focus is needed.We have not seen Amaterasu cuz it is an INSTANT KILL and he is toying with the kage.

Good luck using taijutsu Kakazu when there is an army of susanoo's you have to get passed. And Madara can just get the strings from Sasori's puppets do problem sasori can not do much in this.

How does Itachi put flames out... with Amaterasu?? ok but there are MULTIPLE madaras which means MULTIPLE Amaterasu flames

It does not matter if the dome was bigger or not becasue the pollen would knockout Kisame.

Since Kisame is in the water all by himself Madara can just put him under genjutsu.
(can clone madara abosrb the water)
Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation can make a whole in the water
Yasaka Magatama kills Kisame

no unfortunately it was stated Tobirama was the best water user so his fire attacks can prevail

Itachi is the biggest threat yes I know...BUT how does he find the REAL Madara?

even if he could find him the other clones would be protecting the real one


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