Haku vs Mei

[megabbaut]

Who wins?

[Lone_Espada]

Haku does know about the, "Hidden Mist Jutsu.". Can't Mei melt the ice mirrors with her lava?

[Ninja of Cao]

Haku does know about the, "Hidden Mist Jutsu.". Can't Mei melt the ice mirrors with her lava?
I don't think Haku's mirrors can be melted, despite them being made of ice. Sasuke's fire style Ninjutsu was not enough to melt them, at least.

[Lone_Espada]

Lava Style >>>>>> Fire Style. Lava is a lot hotter than fire. Mei also has her acid if you think about it.

[Ninja of Cao]

Lava Style >>>>>> Fire Style. Lava is a lot hotter than fire. Mei also has her acid if you think about it.
True. But even if Mei would be able to melt the ice mirrors, Haku could be able to deliver devastating attacks before she can react. From as far as I know, Haku is faster than Mei.

[Lone_Espada]

I wouldn't say Mei is slow, she just doesn't have the feats right now. =/

[Cult of Personality]

There's no way that Haku is faster than current Sasuke, even a weakened one.

Mei, on the other hand, has proven she can move faster than at least an exhausted Sasuke, and can probably do pretty good against the Sauce at full strength as well.

Haku doesn't survive long enough to set up the mirrors.

[Ninja of Cao]

I wouldn't say Mei is slow, she just doesn't have the feats right now. =/
She is a powerful ninja, indeed (otherwise she wouldn't be the Mizukage). But Haku is probably faster than any other ninja of his age. And I believe Haku has a lot of abilities that were never shown in the anime or manga. My theory is that he can control ice completely and turn it into any weapon. It is also possible that he could stop an enemy water attack by freezing it.
This is just guessing, though, based on comments from my friends and a video game that I can't remember the name of.

[Lone_Espada]

She is a powerful ninja, indeed (otherwise she wouldn't be the Mizukage). But Haku is probably faster than any other ninja of his age. And I believe Haku has a lot of abilities that were never shown in the anime or manga. My theory is that he can control ice completely and turn it into any weapon. It is also possible that he could stop an enemy water attack by freezing it.
This is just guessing, though, based on comments from my friends and a video game that I can't remember the name of. Sasuke didn't have a problem with, Haku.

[Ninja of Cao]

Sasuke didn't have a problem with, Haku.
Sasuke did have the Sharingan, otherwise I doubt that he would have been able to fight Haku at all.

[Lone_Espada]

Sasuke only used the Sharingan within the ice mirrors. Before that part Sasuke didn't have a problem with his speed.

[Ninja of Cao]

Sasuke only used the Sharingan within the ice mirrors. Before that part Sasuke didn't have a problem with his speed.
True. But Sasuke was also one of the best genin of the Hidden Leaf Village. No average genin would be able to keep up with Haku.

[Lone_Espada]

Without the training before their fight Sasuke would have got his ass kicked.

I'm waiting for Cult to post now, lolz.

[Ninja of Cao]

Without the training before their fight Sasuke would have got his ass kicked.

I'm waiting for Cult to post now, lolz.
Well, I believe we are still talking about genin. Mei is the Mizukage, while Haku is ranked as a chunin (I think).

Zabuza was probably ranked as a jonin, and Haku was able to ambush him (it was of course not meant to harm him, but Zabuza was truly not aware of Haku's presence from what I've heard, meaning Haku could sneak up on most jonin that are equally skilled with Zabuza, and kill them using his needles).

[MinatoXNaruto]

Mei wins. She is a Kage. Haku got wrecked by a 0 zero tailed Naruto

[Cult of Personality]

Haku was never formally associated with Kirigakure. He was raised and trained by Zabuza after Zabuza became a missing-nin.

[Lone_Espada]

Haku was never formally associated with Kirigakure. He was raised and trained by Zabuza after Zabuza became a missing-nin. Point?
Haku is still going to know what it is if Mei uses it.

[Cult of Personality]

Ninja of Cao said he was a Chunin. He wasn't any kind of nin in fact. :P

I have no other point besides that.

[Ninja of Cao]

Ninja of Cao said he was a Chunin. He wasn't any kind of nin in fact. :P

I have no other point besides that.
Well, he was "like a Chunin" in terms of combat abilities.

[Kioroshi.]

didn't haku lose to 1-tailed naruto?this is a stomp.Mei wins with no difficulty.

[Sagepain]

^ not even 1- tailed lmao, Naruto beat him with just a chakra boost.

Mei spits on Haku.

[Haku Uchiha]

I could beat Mei easily my crystal ice mirrors were pure speed i was moving so fast it looked like there was like 20 me's i can freeze her water techniques all of them with water in them can be frozen and redirected and i also have wind and water so :p

[JLI2infinity]

SIGH!!! I don't understand why some fans never got this Haku was overrated, in the power scale he is just a very skilled genin. Kishi wanted to make it special for the fans when we were watching Naruto's first every fight to the death, so he surrounded Haku with a lot of hype. Kakashi said something like "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me." He was OBVIOUSLY exaggerating, there are no kids younger than Naruto that are S class at least not in the recent generations...the only people I think were even capable of such a thing were Hiruzen, The Third Raikage, Danzo, Minato, and maybe some Uchihas or Onoki depending on when he learned Dust Release.

Haku does NOT move at light speed it was just Kishi's artistic license taking over. It should be obvious by the fact that Sasuke could even see Haku's movement with sharingan (when he couldn't even keep track of Lee with his weights on) or that 0 Tailed Naruto grabbed Haku by the leg. Haku at most was just a chuunin level opponent with a powerful but incomplete KKG. To make this even more obvious Kishi went back and scaled Haku down in the databook so people could get a true sense of his strength here are his stats

Ninjutsu 3.5
Taijutsu 1
Genjutsu 1
Intelligence 4
Strength 1.5
Speed 4
Stamina 2
Hand Seals 4
OVERALL 21

Stop comparing Haku to any S class character it's a joke, special jonin are Haku's absolute limit. Mei is probably skilled enough with just taijutsu to take Haku down not to mention Haku's ice mirrors couldn't be melted by a fire technique "of that level." People need to stop comparing all fire techniques to genin Sasuke's fireball technique. Moves like Sasuke's fireball could barely toast Naruto (when he got hit by them multiple times) while Sasori's flamethrowers were hot enough to melt rock and Mei said her lava could melt the flesh off of bone.
Overall

[NBT]

1.All that typing was unnecessary
2.Most everyone here already knows Kishimoto has no idea what he's talking about.
3.That databook crap ain't worth a *censored* here.
4.Most everyone here already knows Haku gets murderfied.

[JLI2infinity]

1.All that typing was unnecessary
2.Most everyone here already knows Kishimoto has no idea what he's talking about.
3.That databook crap ain't worth a *censored* here.
4.Most everyone here already knows Haku gets murderfied.

1. Did I ask?
2. Not really
3. Funny because it's canon material even if it is debatable.
4. Apparently not.

[Lone_Espada]

Databook doesn't mean sh!t here on this forum, lolz. Feats from the manga only count I think.

[Uchiha Sora]

Tbh I don't think Mei could melt the mirrors before she gets raped by senbom

[Lone_Espada]

Tbh I don't think Mei could melt the mirrors before she gets raped by senbom

Hidden Mist?

Even if Haku has time to get her mirrors up she can't see Mei, lolz.

[Uchiha Sora]

The mist isn't instant either. Once Mei starts creating the mist, Haku barrages her

How long does it take for Haku to set up his mirrors?

[NBT]

Don't know

[Lone_Espada]

The mist isn't instant either. Once Mei starts creating the mist, Haku barrages her

How long does it take for Haku to set up his mirrors?

That's kinda hard to say, lolz. If there is water on the ground it should only take a second, since in the manga it only takes one panel.

[Kioroshi.]

GUYS ;););)!?you seriously debating 5th mizukage VS someone who got beat by 2 genins....

[Ninja of Cao]

To me, it feels somewhat unfair to compare a chunin-level ninja against a Kage. I do believe that Haku will put up much of a fight, though.

[megabbaut]

GUYS ;););)!?you seriously debating 5th mizukage VS someone who got beat by 2 genins....
Tsunade is the 5th Hokage and many Genins could beat her.

[Kuromaki]

Tsunade is the 5th Hokage and many Genins could beat her.
Naruto and Sasuke don't count.

[Shikamaru Nara]

SIGH!!! I don't understand why some fans never got this Haku was overrated, in the power scale he is just a very skilled genin. Kishi wanted to make it special for the fans when we were watching Naruto's first every fight to the death, so he surrounded Haku with a lot of hype. Kakashi said something like "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me." He was OBVIOUSLY exaggerating, there are no kids younger than Naruto that are S class at least not in the recent generations...the only people I think were even capable of such a thing were Hiruzen, The Third Raikage, Danzo, Minato, and maybe some Uchihas or Onoki depending on when he learned Dust Release.

Haku does NOT move at light speed it was just Kishi's artistic license taking over. It should be obvious by the fact that Sasuke could even see Haku's movement with sharingan (when he couldn't even keep track of Lee with his weights on) or that 0 Tailed Naruto grabbed Haku by the leg. Haku at most was just a chuunin level opponent with a powerful but incomplete KKG. To make this even more obvious Kishi went back and scaled Haku down in the databook so people could get a true sense of his strength here are his stats

Ninjutsu 3.5
Taijutsu 1
Genjutsu 1
Intelligence 4
Strength 1.5
Speed 4
Stamina 2
Hand Seals 4
OVERALL 21

Stop comparing Haku to any S class character it's a joke, special jonin are Haku's absolute limit. Mei is probably skilled enough with just taijutsu to take Haku down not to mention Haku's ice mirrors couldn't be melted by a fire technique "of that level." People need to stop comparing all fire techniques to genin Sasuke's fireball technique. Moves like Sasuke's fireball could barely toast Naruto (when he got hit by them multiple times) while Sasori's flamethrowers were hot enough to melt rock and Mei said her lava could melt the flesh off of bone.
Overall

The reason everyone always disagrees with you is because there's no factual evidence in your posts, bar references to databooks, which aren't taken seriously here considering Kishi's horrible judgement of strength and how he rates them.

If Kishi actually had any form of just thinking in terms of stats, a couple things wouldn't have happened. One, Tsunade wouldn't have been a Hokage, since the Hokage is the strongest Ninja in the village, unless this somehow changed since I last read the manga. I can name countless people who are stronger than Tsunade in the Leaf Village.

As for your debate:

SIGH!!! I don't understand why some fans never got this Haku was overrated, in the power scale he is just a very skilled genin. Kishi wanted to make it special for the fans when we were watching Naruto's first every fight to the death, so he surrounded Haku with a lot of hype. Kakashi said something like "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me." He was OBVIOUSLY exaggerating, there are no kids younger than Naruto that are S class at least not in the recent generations...the only people I think were even capable of such a thing were Hiruzen, The Third Raikage, Danzo, Minato, and maybe some Uchihas or Onoki depending on when he learned Dust Release.

Since you're using databooks as the base of your argument, it's clear that you value Kishi's stats and his opinion.

What was written in the manga is that "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me."

Clearly, if you take the databook's stats and use them in your debate, you should also include all dialogue and drawn proof of whatever statements you've made. Talking about his databook stats is basically saying that Kishi's word > evidence. I have no problem if that's what you want to base your argument on, but I do now, since you're inconsistent.

Haku does NOT move at light speed it was just Kishi's artistic license taking over. It should be obvious by the fact that Sasuke could even see Haku's movement with sharingan (when he couldn't even keep track of Lee with his weights on) or that 0 Tailed Naruto grabbed Haku by the leg. Haku at most was just a chuunin level opponent with a powerful but incomplete KKG. To make this even more obvious Kishi went back and scaled Haku down in the databook so people could get a true sense of his strength here are his stats

Ninjutsu 3.5
Taijutsu 1
Genjutsu 1
Intelligence 4
Strength 1.5
Speed 4
Stamina 2
Hand Seals 4
OVERALL 21


Now, since you have taken the databook into account, and you are using it in order to prove that Mei > Haku, we must automatically assume the position of saying that Haku is in fact lightspeed.

I just find it hysterical that you prance around this section bashing people for fan wanking, essentially, however, you yourself are the biggest Kishi fan out there, using his databooks.

Again, no problem with that, but you are inconsistent, because you claim that Haku's stats are his stats and that his abilities are set in stone based on those stats, but you then turn around and say that the stats are wrong because Haku isn't lightspeed?

How could you possibly base that argument off anything if you're contradicting yourself? You can't.

Stop comparing Haku to any S class character it's a joke, special jonin are Haku's absolute limit. Mei is probably skilled enough with just taijutsu to take Haku down not to mention Haku's ice mirrors couldn't be melted by a fire technique "of that level." People need to stop comparing all fire techniques to genin Sasuke's fireball technique. Moves like Sasuke's fireball could barely toast Naruto (when he got hit by them multiple times) while Sasori's flamethrowers were hot enough to melt rock and Mei said her lava could melt the flesh off of bone.

Oh that's funny, since, to my knowledge, Ebisu is the only Special Jounin (Correct me if I am wrong) and he is a fluke. Ebisu is Genin level at best. If we're counting Jutsu, he's higher because of Shadow Clones.


Mei is probably strong enough to take out Haku with just Taijutsu, huh? I think I'm beginning to see some sort of wanking here, in you. Mei hasn't displayed Taijutsu (since I last read at the beginning of the war) feats ever, yet Haku is as fast as Sasuke and was able to not only block his attacks, but also use his Jutsu while being attacked. Far more impressive than Mei.

Flesh off of bone? I can do that with my stove if I wanted to.

You have to understand that it's not pure ice, there's also chakra in it, therefore it won't be melted because it's reinforced with a difference substance that ups its resistance to fire.

Not sure if you're an idiot, or you truly believe it. My guess is idiot.

[Uchiha Sora]

I don't think Kishi meant FTL when he ssaid that about Haku. I think he was just using hyperbole like ammy being hotter than the sun.

[Kuromaki]

Or maybe he was just talking about the mirror reflection speed since that is in fact light speed. Clearly, Haku himself isn't faster than light.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I don't think Kishi meant FTL when he ssaid that about Haku. I think he was just using hyperbole like ammy being hotter than the sun.

In a stats book?
Unlikely.

[Sagepain]

Oh that's funny, since, to my knowledge, Ebisu is the only Special Jounin (Correct me if I am wrong) and he is a fluke. Ebisu is Genin level at best. If we're counting Jutsu, he's higher because of Shadow Clones.


Anko and Ibiki are special Jonins IIRC..............just sayin.:roll:

[MinatoXNaruto]

yet Haku is as fast as Sasuke and was able to not only block his attacks, but also use his Jutsu while being attacked. Far more impressive than Mei.

That was a genin Sasuke. Not impressive at all. Mei was able to battle against Sasuke, and even though he was exhausted, he was still faster than when he was a genin. So are you saying that Mei can't react to a genin Sasuke?

[Leewannabe]

Even though Haku is talented and fast, he dont have a chance against a kage , sorry sam...

[Kioroshi.]

Haku got beat BY chakra boost naruto.And kuro said she is fast as sasuke.Its true but PTS SASUKE!

[Uchiha Sora]

Everyone keeps saying he got beat by Kn0 naruto. It's not like they had a full on fight where haku was getting blitzed. Haki was blitzing past, naruto caught him and broke his arm, then punched him through the mirrors. that's all. Not to mention haku was getting overwhelmed by the surging kyuubi chakra

[Frost ninja]

To be fair, Mei's acid should do fine to take care of anything...
Like just acid cloud from the get go. Auto-win since Haku's only other chance is his senbon which PTS sasuke reacted to well enough to block them all despite being nabbed in quite a few pressure points in all of his limbs.

[NBT]

Haku got beat BY chakra boost naruto.And kuro said she is fast as sasuke.Its true but PTS SASUKE!
Haku is a boy moron.

[Uchiha Sora]

That may not work that well since they aren't in an enclosed area

[Frost ninja]

Maybe not, but then if Haku goes into mirrors like he did in his only real fight (Can we call it OOC?) Then he would unknowingly zip into some poison mist. It still clouds and has to disappate outwards, and since I don't see Haku's mirrors being better than susanoo I'd say letting some mist would do the job.

[Kioroshi.]

Haku is a boy moron.


Don't get me started idiot...


I always thought he/she was a girl I found it hard to think that zabuza is pedo....

[Shikamaru Nara]

That was a genin Sasuke. Not impressive at all. Mei was able to battle against Sasuke, and even though he was exhausted, he was still faster than when he was a genin. So are you saying that Mei can't react to a genin Sasuke?

I don't believe I ever expressed that Mei would lose, I was just stating how ridiculous that guy is.

[JLI2infinity]

The reason everyone always disagrees with you is because there's no factual evidence in your posts, bar references to databooks, which aren't taken seriously here considering Kishi's horrible judgement of strength and how he rates them.

If Kishi actually had any form of just thinking in terms of stats, a couple things wouldn't have happened. One, Tsunade wouldn't have been a Hokage, since the Hokage is the strongest Ninja in the village, unless this somehow changed since I last read the manga. I can name countless people who are stronger than Tsunade in the Leaf Village.

As for your debate:



Since you're using databooks as the base of your argument, it's clear that you value Kishi's stats and his opinion.

What was written in the manga is that "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me."

Clearly, if you take the databook's stats and use them in your debate, you should also include all dialogue and drawn proof of whatever statements you've made. Talking about his databook stats is basically saying that Kishi's word > evidence. I have no problem if that's what you want to base your argument on, but I do now, since you're inconsistent.



Now, since you have taken the databook into account, and you are using it in order to prove that Mei > Haku, we must automatically assume the position of saying that Haku is in fact lightspeed.

I just find it hysterical that you prance around this section bashing people for fan wanking, essentially, however, you yourself are the biggest Kishi fan out there, using his databooks.

Again, no problem with that, but you are inconsistent, because you claim that Haku's stats are his stats and that his abilities are set in stone based on those stats, but you then turn around and say that the stats are wrong because Haku isn't lightspeed?

How could you possibly base that argument off anything if you're contradicting yourself? You can't.



Oh that's funny, since, to my knowledge, Ebisu is the only Special Jounin (Correct me if I am wrong) and he is a fluke. Ebisu is Genin level at best. If we're counting Jutsu, he's higher because of Shadow Clones.


Mei is probably strong enough to take out Haku with just Taijutsu, huh? I think I'm beginning to see some sort of wanking here, in you. Mei hasn't displayed Taijutsu (since I last read at the beginning of the war) feats ever, yet Haku is as fast as Sasuke and was able to not only block his attacks, but also use his Jutsu while being attacked. Far more impressive than Mei.

Flesh off of bone? I can do that with my stove if I wanted to.

You have to understand that it's not pure ice, there's also chakra in it, therefore it won't be melted because it's reinforced with a difference substance that ups its resistance to fire.

Not sure if you're an idiot, or you truly believe it. My guess is idiot.

WOW GUYS I'M GOING TO PROVE I'M PSYCHIC, ARE YOU READY, THIS IS JUST A RANDOM GUESS HERE...ARE...YOU...CULT OF PERSONALITY??? What happened did you get banned? This is hilarious same style of argument, same word choice, same ad hominem attacks, same sweeping generalizations...either you have a twin brother or you can't access your other account for some reason.

1.) No factual evidence, oh so my points about Zero Tails Naruto catching Haku, the feats of genin Sasuke's fire vs. Mei's lava and Sasori's flamethrower all of those things weren't points in my favor, just stop.

2.) Databooks weren't the "base" of my argument they were supplementary, I formed an argument and added on information.

3.) Hokage isn't based on pure strength it's based on the best fit for leader of the village. I've explained in plenty posts why Tsunade was the best suited to become Hokage in part 1 behind Jiraiya. First of all the village wasn't in a time of war they needed to rebuild. As soon as Tsunade arrived she healed Kakashi, Sasuke, and Lee those are things no other shinobi could do. She instantly made the village a better place. Tsunade also has more experience than all the other shinobi in the village. Tsunade is extremely intelligent. Besides all the things I just mentioned she is strong the only people in the village she would probably lose to were Danzo and Gai, I doubt Part 1 Kakashi would be able to beat her due to his lack of MS and stamina.

4.) I was just using the databook to add to my point that Haku was only genin level and Kishi understood this. I don't have to automatically assume everything Kishi says is pure gold, especially if one of those things would completely destroy any sort of character scaling in the show. If you accept Haku is light speed than you must accept 0 tails Naruto is also faster than light speed and Sasuke's sharingan can keep up with this speed and his fire techniques are also that fast. That would mean that genin Lee with his weights on his faster than light since Sasuke couldn't see him, and so is Kimimaro which would mean part 1 Gaara's sand is also faster than light since it caught CS2 Kimimaro and so on...I don't have to accept a premise if it renders every other aspect of the manga illogical.

5.) LOL Haku is as fast as genin Sasuke without the mirrors do you want to see how low that puts him on the totem pole, that's not some amazing feat my friend...

Haku=Genin Sasuke <<<Weighted Lee <<<< 0 Tails Naruto <<<Neji <<< Lee w/o Weights <<< Kakashi < Gai

Oh yeah there's also a panel of Haku going at "faster than light" speed to try and attack Kakashi and getting two Konoha whirlwinds to the face from Base Lee and Base Gai. Just stop it here.

Mei's only taijutsu feat was kicking Black Zetsu in the stomach and sending him flying I was just making an assumption by the fact that all the Kages (except Gaara) have shown proficiency and taijutsu and the manga hints the same is true for Mei.

6.) You can melt flesh off bone with your stove, that's strange since it takes a long period of cremation at heats higher than your stove can reach to accomplish that feat, and Sasuke after hitting Naruto directly in the face with his fire only left Naruto with a few burns. Haku said his ice couldn't be melted with fire of "that level" which was referring to genin Sasuke's weak attacks not powerful KKG like lava release which also have chakra flowing through them and earth element to make it stronger and like I said earlier can melt flesh from bone.

[Lone_Espada]

Shika isn't Cult. :lol: Shika is a mod over the BG, they wouldn't let Cult be a mod.

[Cult of Personality]

He thought Shika was me? http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z156/Kitsukaru/ryoma.pnghttp://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z156/Kitsukaru/ryoma.pnghttp://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z156/Kitsukaru/ryoma.png


Anyway, Mei annihilates.

[JLI2infinity]

Shika isn't Cult. :lol: Shika is a mod over the BG, they wouldn't let Cult be a mod.

Wow, I wonder if they are friends...I thought the "debates with style" and "debates with panache" thing were too similar for them not to be the same person...oh well...they debate the same: condescending, pseudointellectual, creepy obsession with some form of the word "wank," and all the other things I mentioned in my previous post...oh well I eagerly await his response :roll:

[Uchiha Sora]

Shika and Cult have the same style? lolwut Shika never actually debates like that

And wank is an official term in the BG rules iirc :lol:

[Shikamaru Nara]

Well I can't give you a full response until I get onto a computer, although I doubt I will have to, allow me to elaborate on things:

We have a number of people who have access to the council who play a role in our system of running things but don't have any sort of power.

Secondly, it is now within the rules to call somebody out for being stupid, which you are, by comparing the character to a data book.

Thirdly, you are not psychic -- just delusional. Unfortunately, you have become more of an idiot by accusing me of using an alt to support my argument. Said alt then disagreed with me after. Cult and I are very different people.

So now that you are educated, I will follow with this:

In no way, shape, or form did I state that Mei would lose. The sole purpose of my debate was to call you out on a bad post. See ya later.

[JLI2infinity]

Shika and Cult have the same style? lolwut Shika never actually debates like that

And wank is an official term in the BG rules iirc :lol:

Apparently he does debate this way considering his response to mine was exactly like Cult's are.

Well I can't give you a full response until I get onto a computer, although I doubt I will have to, allow me to elaborate on things:

We have a number of people who have access to the council who play a role in our system of running things but don't have any sort of power.

Secondly, it is now within the rules to call somebody out for being stupid, which you are, by comparing the character to a data book.

Thirdly, you are not psychic -- just delusional. Unfortunately, you have become more of an idiot by accusing me of using an alt to support my argument. Said alt then disagreed with me after. Cult and I are very different people.

So now that you are educated, I will follow with this:

In no way, shape, or form did I state that Mei would lose. The sole purpose of my debate was to call you out on a bad post. See ya later.

@Shika It wasn't a bad post, already explained to you why. Never brought up your intelligence because I like letting you make a fool of yourself, it makes it even more humorous when you try to call me stupid. I already answered all the things you "called me out" on in my last post. I accused you of being an alt because you were debating like the alt I accused you of being and I went on to list the qualities you two shared in a previous post. Try reading my posts and putting that brain of yours to work so you can understand them.

[Uchiha Sora]

Shika out of the BGs is extra chill lol

[Sagepain]

Cult and Shikamaru debate way differently, I see no similarities between them at all.

Big difference between the 2..........Cult never admits he wrong because he thinks he's always right.

Shikamaru on the other hand actually admits when he's wrong, well that or he never responds. *Looks back at old threads*

[JLI2infinity]

Ok I don't know Shika and Cult all that well I have debated each of them once and this is why I thought they were the same personn since everyone seems to think my statement was outlandish here are the similarities I saw between the two with my limited exposure...

The reason everyone always disagrees with you is because there's no factual evidence in your posts

Immediately begins with this broad generalization about ALL my posts. I've never debated this guy once so I don't know why he would speak with such certainty unless he'd debated me before. This is similar to the way Cult spoke in the forum about Shikamaru vs. Neji if you want to see the argument there where I received an infraction just take a look at the thread.

Talking about his databook stats is basically saying that Kishi's word > evidence. I have no problem if that's what you want to base your argument on, but I do now, since you're inconsistent.

Making huge assumptions and faulty premises with no basis is a horrendous method of arguing. I already addressed why these things were wrong in my last post but this is why I thought he was Cult again because of the terrible logic here.

I just find it hysterical that you prance around this section bashing people for fan wanking, essentially, however, you yourself are the biggest Kishi fan out there, using his databooks.

I didn't know wank was such a common word, apparently it is but since the only person I'd seen use it before was Cult again I made a bad assumption. Oh yeah I also ripped this bad logic to pieces in my last post.

Not sure if you're an idiot, or you truly believe it. My guess is idiot.

I never even talked to this kid before yet he was trolling me, that seems like someone who already disliked me, once again leading me to the conclusion that this was Cult.

BUT In retrospect the name Shikamaru should've given it away since Cult has the annoying habit of flexing is third grade brain to insult that character with the name "Suckamaru." That was the dead give away along with the Rep power but since I haven't been on this site for long I didn't know to look at that.

[Shikamaru Nara]

1.) No factual evidence, oh so my points about Zero Tails Naruto catching Haku, the feats of genin Sasuke's fire vs. Mei's lava and Sasori's flamethrower all of those things weren't points in my favor, just stop.


It's funny how you can compare something you've never felt.
As a matter of fact, many things factor into durability of rocks.

Don't you think the dexterity, durability, tensity, etc would be different in granite than sedimentary rock? Unless you can identify the type of rock in Naruto, and narrow it down to whatever Sasori melted, your point is null.

By the way, Sasori is irrelevant in this debate.

2.) Databooks weren't the "base" of my argument they were supplementary, I formed an argument and added on information.

So your only counter to my paragraph is this? That it isn't the base? Bravo.

3.) Hokage isn't based on pure strength it's based on the best fit for leader of the village. I've explained in plenty posts why Tsunade was the best suited to become Hokage in part 1 behind Jiraiya. First of all the village wasn't in a time of war they needed to rebuild. As soon as Tsunade arrived she healed Kakashi, Sasuke, and Lee those are things no other shinobi could do. She instantly made the village a better place. Tsunade also has more experience than all the other shinobi in the village. Tsunade is extremely intelligent. Besides all the things I just mentioned she is strong the only people in the village she would probably lose to were Danzo and Gai, I doubt Part 1 Kakashi would be able to beat her due to his lack of MS and stamina.

Please do reference to the following:

How Tsunade made the village better, and who stated it.
How Tsunade is intelligent.
How Tsunade is a good leader.

Failure to cite this = point in case.
And don't say that being Hokage isn't about being the strongest person in the village, because it is.

Tell me who was stronger than Hashirama, Tobirama, Sarutobi, and Minato.
Now tell me who is stronger than Tsunade.

Once again, point in case.

4.) I was just using the databook to add to my point that Haku was only genin level and Kishi understood this. I don't have to automatically assume everything Kishi says is pure gold, especially if one of those things would completely destroy any sort of character scaling in the show. If you accept Haku is light speed than you must accept 0 tails Naruto is also faster than light speed and Sasuke's sharingan can keep up with this speed and his fire techniques are also that fast. That would mean that genin Lee with his weights on his faster than light since Sasuke couldn't see him, and so is Kimimaro which would mean part 1 Gaara's sand is also faster than light since it caught CS2 Kimimaro and so on...I don't have to accept a premise if it renders every other aspect of the manga illogical.

Are you trying to dodge my point or do you not understand it? Because this is precisely what I was saying before. You are using things from the databook, yet you right here, in your own words, verbatim, are claiming that "Not everything Kishi says is pure gold."

Please do elaborate on how this helps you at all.
Once again, all I see is inconsistency.

Either way, you're slandering the nature of debating by referencing to something, yet claiming that it is also wrong. Please tell me how this makes a sliver of sense, I just don't understand what point you're trying to make to me.

5.) LOL Haku is as fast as genin Sasuke without the mirrors do you want to see how low that puts him on the totem pole, that's not some amazing feat my friend...


Yes, it is compared to what you have provided.
As a matter of fact, your argument was filled with wank, which you apparently have an issue with from what I've read previously in your posts.

I implore you to give me feats that put Mei above Sasuke in speed.
Page and chapter.

6.) You can melt flesh off bone with your stove, that's strange since it takes a long period of cremation at heats higher than your stove can reach to accomplish that feat, and Sasuke after hitting Naruto directly in the face with his fire only left Naruto with a few burns. Haku said his ice couldn't be melted with fire of "that level" which was referring to genin Sasuke's weak attacks not powerful KKG like lava release which also have chakra flowing through them and earth element to make it stronger and like I said earlier can melt flesh from bone.

You don't believe me?

Here. Turn on your mother's stove.
Put your hand on it.
Hold.

Remove it in minutes, and see that your skin has melted onto the stove and it has been removed from your hand.
Assuming you followed the steps correctly, you should experience two things:

Seeing your skin has been removed.
Being in immense pain.

It's a cartoon, it's inconsistent. Believe it.

Apparently he does debate this way considering his response to mine was exactly like Cult's are.

As a matter of fact, I do not debate like this.
Only to people like you who claim wank this and wank that, when they, themselves have been doing it on a frequent basis.

"Just stop."

@Shika It wasn't a bad post, already explained to you why. Never brought up your intelligence because I like letting you make a fool of yourself, it makes it even more humorous when you try to call me stupid. I already answered all the things you "called me out" on in my last post. I accused you of being an alt because you were debating like the alt I accused you of being and I went on to list the qualities you two shared in a previous post. Try reading my posts and putting that brain of yours to work so you can understand them.

So now not only are you stupid, you are claiming that I am making a fool out of myself, when one of my peers has just explained to you that I normally never debate like this, and that you are wrong. Need I say more?

I suggest that you spruce up on your comprehension as well, since I never called into question my intellect, since I know I'm a being of pure genius. I believe that was another statement that you made that isn't supported by facts.

Hmm, have you heard the saying "two peas in a pod?" Yeah, look it up.

And yes, I am an alt. With over 20k posts, I am an alt. You got me good. I can't stand living like this anymore. I am a liar and I know it.

Observation, intelligence, and comprehension skills are lacking. Wow, you're sharp.

Shika out of the BGs is extra chill lol

Correct.

Cult and Shikamaru debate way differently, I see no similarities between them at all.

Big difference between the 2..........Cult never admits he wrong because he thinks he's always right.

Shikamaru on the other hand actually admits when he's wrong, well that or he never responds. *Looks back at old threads*

I just get lazy and don't respond. But when I'm wrong I do admit it.
Although I do see some resemblance in Cult and I.

There's always a hint of sarcasm and cynicism whenever we talk to people we dislike.

Immediately begins with this broad generalization about ALL my posts. I've never debated this guy once so I don't know why he would speak with such certainty unless he'd debated me before. This is similar to the way Cult spoke in the forum about Shikamaru vs. Neji if you want to see the argument there where I received an infraction just take a look at the thread.
Try to wrap your head around this:

Just because people aren't posting doesn't mean that they're not reading your posts.
It's kind of what a mod does.

Making huge assumptions and faulty premises with no basis is a horrendous method of arguing. I already addressed why these things were wrong in my last post but this is why I thought he was Cult again because of the terrible logic here.
Yes, terrible logic.
Let me enlighten you, for the third time now:

You used the databook.
You then said it's not gold.

Choose. You're inconsistent. Put in simple terms this time.

Ahh, and yes, may I point you to this incredible example of perfect logic and debating? I wish we were all as amazing as this. Get ready for it. Really good debating. Hold on.

It's amazing, normally trolls aren't this stupid, you must be a rare breed, oh well I hope you starve to death. I didn't misinterpret anything you're the idiot who tried to prove me wrong with incorrect information, I'm sorry your teacher didn't tell you how to read correctly. Nice job with your argument you Neji fanboy I have no problem owning you again just pick a thread of course you'll result to your weak opinions with no evidence again and other members will be able to come on a page and see what an obtuse, ignorant, attention ;););););) you are. "Good'ay ya li'l wanker"

^THAT is good debating.
Check yoself! You're in no position to criticize my arguing considering you lost your ;);););) and raged at Cult. Don't treat my friends like ;);););). :D
I didn't know wank was such a common word, apparently it is but since the only person I'd seen use it before was Cult again I made a bad assumption. Oh yeah I also ripped this bad logic to pieces in my last post.

Your rep is red.
Obviously people don't agree with you, and/or think you're an idiot.
Oh wait, that was me. :D

And you didn't rip logic to pieces dude.
You talk more ;);););) about posts than you actually do debating. I bet you're too busy with your head up your ass to read this entire post.

I never even talked to this kid before yet he was trolling me, that seems like someone who already disliked me, once again leading me to the conclusion that this was Cult.

BUT In retrospect the name Shikamaru should've given it away since Cult has the annoying habit of flexing is third grade brain to insult that character with the name "Suckamaru." That was the dead give away along with the Rep power but since I haven't been on this site for long I didn't know to look at that.

Go cry some more.
I am within BG rules when calling you an idiot.

[Cult of Personality]

Suckamaru is an awesome name. Someone's jelly.

[Shikamaru Nara]

^hahaha I like sucknade better.

[mikeiskewl922]

Idk man I like Suckra too ._.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I was just gonna say that. :lol:
Anywho, maybe I should make a thread about this.

[mikeiskewl922]

YOLOLOLOL Dooo eeet.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Alright we should stop spamming here. Check the BG HQ Convo thread.

[JLI2infinity]

It's funny how you can compare something you've never felt.
As a matter of fact, many things factor into durability of rocks.

Don't you think the dexterity, durability, tensity, etc would be different in granite than sedimentary rock? Unless you can identify the type of rock in Naruto, and narrow it down to whatever Sasori melted, your point is null.

By the way, Sasori is irrelevant in this debate.



So your only counter to my paragraph is this? That it isn't the base? Bravo.



Please do reference to the following:

How Tsunade made the village better, and who stated it.
How Tsunade is intelligent.
How Tsunade is a good leader.

Failure to cite this = point in case.
And don't say that being Hokage isn't about being the strongest person in the village, because it is.

Tell me who was stronger than Hashirama, Tobirama, Sarutobi, and Minato.
Now tell me who is stronger than Tsunade.

Once again, point in case.



Are you trying to dodge my point or do you not understand it? Because this is precisely what I was saying before. You are using things from the databook, yet you right here, in your own words, verbatim, are claiming that "Not everything Kishi says is pure gold."

Please do elaborate on how this helps you at all.
Once again, all I see is inconsistency.

Either way, you're slandering the nature of debating by referencing to something, yet claiming that it is also wrong. Please tell me how this makes a sliver of sense, I just don't understand what point you're trying to make to me.



Yes, it is compared to what you have provided.
As a matter of fact, your argument was filled with wank, which you apparently have an issue with from what I've read previously in your posts.

I implore you to give me feats that put Mei above Sasuke in speed.
Page and chapter.



You don't believe me?

Here. Turn on your mother's stove.
Put your hand on it.
Hold.

Remove it in minutes, and see that your skin has melted onto the stove and it has been removed from your hand.
Assuming you followed the steps correctly, you should experience two things:

Seeing your skin has been removed.
Being in immense pain.

It's a cartoon, it's inconsistent. Believe it.



As a matter of fact, I do not debate like this.
Only to people like you who claim wank this and wank that, when they, themselves have been doing it on a frequent basis.

"Just stop."



So now not only are you stupid, you are claiming that I am making a fool out of myself, when one of my peers has just explained to you that I normally never debate like this, and that you are wrong. Need I say more?

I suggest that you spruce up on your comprehension as well, since I never called into question my intellect, since I know I'm a being of pure genius. I believe that was another statement that you made that isn't supported by facts.

Hmm, have you heard the saying "two peas in a pod?" Yeah, look it up.

And yes, I am an alt. With over 20k posts, I am an alt. You got me good. I can't stand living like this anymore. I am a liar and I know it.

Observation, intelligence, and comprehension skills are lacking. Wow, you're sharp.



Correct.



I just get lazy and don't respond. But when I'm wrong I do admit it.
Although I do see some resemblance in Cult and I.

There's always a hint of sarcasm and cynicism whenever we talk to people we dislike.


Try to wrap your head around this:

Just because people aren't posting doesn't mean that they're not reading your posts.
It's kind of what a mod does.


Yes, terrible logic.
Let me enlighten you, for the third time now:

You used the databook.
You then said it's not gold.

Choose. You're inconsistent. Put in simple terms this time.



Your rep is red.
Obviously people don't agree with you, and/or think you're an idiot.
Oh wait, that was me. :D

And you didn't rip logic to pieces dude.
You talk more ;);););) about posts than you actually do debating. I bet you're too busy with your head up your ass to read this entire post.



Go cry some more.
I am within BG rules when calling you an idiot.

Can you read? No seriously I feel like information hits your retinas and just doesn't flow through the optic nerve. Some of your points I blatantly addressed and you just ignored them...

1.) I explained how she made the village a better place sigh, she healed Sasuke, Kakashi, and Lee as soon as she got there, something other ninjas wouldn't have been capable of. After that she performed another feat only she is capable of by protecting the villagers from Pain's ST. She actually stood up to the elders and kept eyes on Danzo. On top of that she didn't try to smother Naruto but gave him tough missions so that he could grow, and gave him deadlines forcing him to train even harder, that is how she made the village a better place, it's kind of obvious to anyone who reads the manga.

How is Tsunade intelligent? Did you seriously just ask me this? She basically founded the field of medical ninjutsu, Orochimaru came to her asking for help because he couldn't figure something out. Kabuto admired her ability. Those are two of the greatest geniuses in the show right there. She performs surgeries and saves lives at a moment's notice. She reformed Team Kakashi. Just her mystical palm technique alone is an A rank ninjutsu.

Correlation does not imply causation, being strong isn't the only requirement it's just one of them. All the people you mentioned were smart, wise leaders too. If it was truly based on pure strength than in part 1 Gai would've become Hokage since he was the strongest in the village behind Jiraiya, but he is not intelligent or experienced enough to handle that position. That's why Shikaku, who's not even S ranked, was being considered.

2.) Sigh. I cited the databooks to show the Kishi realized the error of his ways and scaled Haku down to genin level. Once again it was SUPPLEMENTARY (big word, look it up) if you want you can erase the databook from my argument it will work just as well.

3.) I don't care if you don't normally debate like this (and nowhere did your peer say you were right, seems like someone wanks himself a little too much). You did debate like this and were wrong.

4.) You don't understand how you can reference part of a reliable source but then refute a ridiculous part, well my friend you must have a hard time reading any sort of scholarly text because that is what scientists, poets, and philosophers do all the time. Just because people accept and cite Kant's writings on moral philosophy as brilliant doesn't mean they automatically assume his racist ideologies are correct .

I know it may be hard for you to not view something as rigidly black and white but you can think about it, I know you can :D. Analyze the authors intentions and compare it to the manga it's not that hard to do. The "faster than light" statement was Kishi's artistic license making Haku seem like a dangerous enemy, it was just a hyperbole, he was exaggerating when describing the technique. The databook on the other hand isn't meant to be anything other than a statistical scaling of power levels, even if it is debatable the fact that Haku is in the low 20's is indicative that he is genin level.

Let me enlighten you:
I used the databook
I interpreted it based on common sense
Everything in a book you cite does not have to be gold.
Accept data on a case by case basis.

5.) Skin removal and serious burns are not the same things as removing flesh (which includes muscles and nerves) from bone, but once again you said it's a manga so I won't interpret it that literally.

6.) Look Idgaf if you are a mod, you're a condescending, self righteous, pseudointellectual ;););););). Get your head out of your own ass and stop thinking because you have some "rep power" your word means jackshit. The reason my rep power is 0 is because a.) I just got onto this site because I was originally on a forum on a real site that viz media always bitches about and b.) because I got an infraction for feeding trolls like you who start off insulting my intelligence when if they were to know my academic achievements would probably say I'm just lying over the internet to soother their own ego.

[Frost ninja]

To be fair, shika.
You may be within the rules while calling him an idiot.
Doesn't mean you should. Gotta represent.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Okay, since I don't have the time to respond to you fully, because of my life, I'll put it in simple terms for you.

Can you read? No seriously I feel like information hits your retinas and just doesn't flow through the optic nerve. Some of your points I blatantly addressed and you just ignored them...

No, I cannot read.

1.) I explained how she made the village a better place sigh, she healed Sasuke, Kakashi, and Lee as soon as she got there, something other ninjas wouldn't have been capable of. After that she performed another feat only she is capable of by protecting the villagers from Pain's ST. She actually stood up to the elders and kept eyes on Danzo. On top of that she didn't try to smother Naruto but gave him tough missions so that he could grow, and gave him deadlines forcing him to train even harder, that is how she made the village a better place, it's kind of obvious to anyone who reads the manga.


Please let me know how Tsunade is a good leader or intelligent.


2.) Sigh. I cited the databooks to show the Kishi realized the error of his ways and scaled Haku down to genin level. Once again it was SUPPLEMENTARY (big word, look it up) if you want you can erase the databook from my argument it will work just as well.

No, I'm fine laughing at the stupidity of you trying to remove idiocy from your post. :D

3.) I don't care if you don't normally debate like this (and nowhere did your peer say you were right, seems like someone wanks himself a little too much). You did debate like this and were wrong.

Oh, but you do care, because your relentless bitching about it.

4.) You don't understand how you can reference part of a reliable source but then refute a ridiculous part, well my friend you must have a hard time reading any sort of scholarly text because that is what scientists, poets, and philosophers do all the time. Just because people accept and cite Kant's writings on moral philosophy as brilliant doesn't mean they automatically assume his racist ideologies are correct .This is Naruto, not philosophy.

I know it may be hard for you to not view something as rigidly black and white but you can think about it, I know you can . Analyze the authors intentions and compare it to the manga it's not that hard to do. The "faster than light" statement was Kishi's artistic license making Haku seem like a dangerous enemy, it was just a hyperbole, he was exaggerating when describing the technique. The databook on the other hand isn't meant to be anything other than a statistical scaling of power levels, even if it is debatable the fact that Haku is in the low 20's is indicative that he is genin level.

You don't know what Kishi intended, we've already established that you're not a psychic.

5.) Skin removal and serious burns are not the same things as removing flesh (which includes muscles and nerves) from bone, but once again you said it's a manga so I won't interpret it that literally.

You didn't follow the steps, therefore you cannot understand the concept. Try again.

6.) Look Idgaf if you are a mod, you're a condescending, self righteous, pseudointellectual . Get your head out of your own ass and stop thinking because you have some "rep power" your word means jackshit. The reason my rep power is 0 is because a.) I just got onto this site because I was originally on a forum on a real site that viz media always bitches about and b.) because I got an infraction for feeding trolls like you who start off insulting my intelligence when if they were to know my academic achievements would probably say I'm just lying over the internet to soother their own ego.

I pity you.
You rage over posts because people are smarter than you are and you're sexually frustrated. You get angry about someone over the internet who condescends to you, rightfully so. I pity you because you take yourself so seriously.

That or you hold yourself in such high regards that you really are so deluded to think anything said here matters and it actually offends you. Either way, I pity you, nevertheless. Get over it.

And yes, I will say you're lying about your education, because educated people are likely doing some more with their careers.

[Roy]

Okay, since I don't have the time to respond to you fully, because of my life, I'll put it in simple terms for you.


No, I cannot read.



Please let me know how Tsunade is a good leader or intelligent.



No, I'm fine laughing at the stupidity of you trying to remove idiocy from your post. :D



Oh, but you do care, because your relentless bitching about it.

This is Naruto, not philosophy.



You don't know what Kishi intended, we've already established that you're not a psychic.



You didn't follow the steps, therefore you cannot understand the concept. Try again.



I pity you.
You rage over posts because people are smarter than you are and you're sexually frustrated. You get angry about someone over the internet who condescends to you, rightfully so. I pity you because you take yourself so seriously.

That or you hold yourself in such high regards that you really are so deluded to think anything said here matters and it actually offends you. Either way, I pity you, nevertheless. Get over it.

And yes, I will say you're lying about your education, because educated people are likely doing some more with their careers.

Don't you ever get tired of arguing? No? :3

[Shikamaru Nara]

I do, I just won't stop until this guy shuts up.

[JLI2infinity]

Okay, since I don't have the time to respond to you fully, because of my life, I'll put it in simple terms for you.


No, I cannot read.



Please let me know how Tsunade is a good leader or intelligent.



No, I'm fine laughing at the stupidity of you trying to remove idiocy from your post. :D



Oh, but you do care, because your relentless bitching about it.

This is Naruto, not philosophy.



You don't know what Kishi intended, we've already established that you're not a psychic.



You didn't follow the steps, therefore you cannot understand the concept. Try again.



I pity you.
You rage over posts because people are smarter than you are and you're sexually frustrated. You get angry about someone over the internet who condescends to you, rightfully so. I pity you because you take yourself so seriously.

That or you hold yourself in such high regards that you really are so deluded to think anything said here matters and it actually offends you. Either way, I pity you, nevertheless. Get over it.

And yes, I will say you're lying about your education, because educated people are likely doing some more with their careers.


1.) Are you trolling? I already made a post explaining how Tsunade was a good leader and intelligent you specifically cut it out when you quoted my response...

I explained how she made the village a better place sigh, she healed Sasuke, Kakashi, and Lee as soon as she got there, something other ninjas wouldn't have been capable of. After that she performed another feat only she is capable of by protecting the villagers from Pain's ST. She actually stood up to the elders and kept eyes on Danzo. On top of that she didn't try to smother Naruto but gave him tough missions so that he could grow, and gave him deadlines forcing him to train even harder, that is how she made the village a better place, it's kind of obvious to anyone who reads the manga.

How is Tsunade intelligent? Did you seriously just ask me this? She basically founded the field of medical ninjutsu, Orochimaru came to her asking for help because he couldn't figure something out. Kabuto admired her ability. Those are two of the greatest geniuses in the show right there. She performs surgeries and saves lives at a moment's notice. She reformed Team Kakashi. Just her mystical palm technique alone is an A rank ninjutsu.

Correlation does not imply causation, being strong isn't the only requirement it's just one of them. All the people you mentioned were smart, wise leaders too. If it was truly based on pure strength than in part 1 Gai would've become Hokage since he was the strongest in the village behind Jiraiya, but he is not intelligent or experienced enough to handle that position. That's why Shikaku, who's not even S ranked, was being considered.

It's right there. Examples of her intelligence and leadership but I will forgive you since you admit you have trouble reading.

2.) Sigh. Can that brain of yours extrapolate? Just because it's not philosophy doesn't mean the same concept doesn't apply I shouldn't have to explain that to someone who claims to be smarter than me. If I said "lowering the temperature of water causes it to freeze" then mentioned another compound like alcohol you shouldn't have to come back and say "Derp. But this is alcohol not water." It is a general concept that can be applied to any sort of debate you don't have to accept something in its entirety to cite it especially if one thing conflicts with all logic in the debate. If I cite Kant I don't have to believe in racial superiority, if I cite Newton I don't have to ignore quantum mechanics and only focus on classical physics, if I cite Copernicus on heliocentrism I don't have to accept that planet's move in circular instead of elliptical orbits.

This is not a hard idea to grasp, you accept data on a case by case basis. If Tsunade had a strength of 1 then I'd obviously reject that entry in the databook, likewise if Haku moves at a speed faster than light then I'd reject that idea because it conflicts with other canon material. In the end Kishi gets the final say on things as long as they don't directly conflict with his previous statements with no clarification. Haku's databook entry makes perfect sense and so I used it in my argument. Deal with it.

3.) I didn't mention anything about intelligence or sexual frustration so I will assume you're projecting your problems onto me, in which case I'd say I'm sorry to hear you're unhappy in the bedroom and that you didn't do as well as you wanted to in school. Go cry about it on the couch in a psychologist's office don't pathetically try to hurl insults at me, just sit down and give that brain of yours a rest.

4.) LOL I'm a college freshman I don't know what you think I should be doing with my career, or why you even mentioned a career for that matter considering you would have no way of knowing what I do. I will just take this as you running out of ideas. It's a little sad.

[TheBlackChidori]

You both may be in college, but you're both acting like 12 year olds getting your feelings hurt on the internet. Clearly you're not even debating the topic anymore, you're debating who the smartest one is. No one else cares.