Is Sasuke really that much of a bad guy?

[Ultimate combatant]

Think about it. Gaara was once even more evil. He killed anyone, Sasuke wants to crush only those who stands between him and his goal, which is killing all who benefited from Itachi`s suffering.

Not a good goal, certainly. But Gaara (before Naruto beat some sense into him) never even thought twice before killing someone.

Entire Sunagakure helped Orochimaru achieve his goals and betrayed Konoha. Also, while Pain is a good guy, he still did quite many bad things. And so did Zabuza and Kisame. Perhaps even Itachi.

Sasuke did many bad things, but was he the one doing the worst things?

Also, Sasuke did do some good things, so I think it should count.

What do you think?!! :D

[Maruko]

He WAS good,now he's pure evil!
Look what he did at the kage summit,he cut those samurai like wooden dolls.
And he wants to crush the WHOLE konoha,not just those who made Itachi suffer.

[bluemiracle]

After reading the manga so far there's one thing I'm sure of: Sasuke will be redemed

Sasuke has been a victim almost since he laid foot on the ninja world, and has been manipulated to be a villain since the beginning of the series. Itachi (unconsciously) filled his young heart with hatred for so many years, Orochimaru later poisoned his mind for almost 3 years and he learned the sad truth behind the Uchiha massacre. And if that wasn't enough, Tobi has been corrupting him over the last chapters.

Tobi instigated everything that made both Sasuke and Naruto's lives a living hell. He played a hand in the deaths of both Minato and Kushina, and set off a chain of events that led to the destruction of the Uchiha clan, and now this - using Sasuke as his lapdog to exact revenge, the latter not realizing that he is being strung along like a puppet, which reflects exactly what Minato said about hate-filled shinobi that end up being used and manipulated.

Sasuke's hatred towards Konoha doesn't really surprises me, only Hiruzen Sarutobi didn't agree with their decision of destroying the Uchiha clan.

Look at what Gaara did for instance, and look where he is now - if that happened in the real world he would certanely be in a mental hospital, and not where he is now. This is nothing more than a story, so its safe to say that anything can happen, even the least likely. I believe Team 7 will have a happy ending, whatever that is. Since the story is about redemption - Sasuke being the epitome of that - I truly believe that will mostly likely happen

[JashinSama]

Sasuke wants to crush only those who stands between him and his goal, which is killing all who benefited from Itachi`s suffering.


That's not all.

Anyone who stands between him and killing the Leaf? Everyone in the Shinobi Alliance.

So he's got quite the fight in front of him.

I don't think Sasuke has what it takes, even with Mokuton, to kill everyone left in the Alliance AND Naruto AND Bee.

[killerkunoichi6]

I dont think Sasuke is a bad guy at all hes hust a little naive and irrational (even though it might not seem like it. like Itachi told Naruto that the thoughts in his mind cold still be molded because he is still young. I hope he comes home.

[Belisarius]

I'd argue Sasuke isn't bad. He's just letting his emotions decide his actions. His logic, Itachi cared more for sasuke then even the Leaf which he sacrificed everything for. So, in repayment for that, Sasuke loves Itachi more than anything in the world, and wants Konoha to pay for all the misfortune that befell Itachi.

Sasuke just cares about his brother, that isnt a bad thing. Do we consider Naruto caring about Sasuke a bad thing?

So while Sasuke and Kabuto are seeking the same ends, they seek it for entirely different means. One reason I believe Kabuto is delusional. He really thinks he can convince Sasuke to betray Itachi and join him in destroying the leaf? Itachi is the entire reason why Sasuke is set on destroying the leaf.

Sasuke has a legitimate beef, he's just being indiscriminate in the people he's targetting as a result. Thats his problem. If he only set out to kill Danzo, and the elders it would be fine. But by aiming to destroy all the innocents of the leaf Sasuke makes a mistake, and commits an "evil" act. Sasuke himself, not evil.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Since he met Itachi again his evilness has reduced.

[Utsusemi]

dramatically ^

[megabbaut]

The way I see it is this: Genjutsu makes Kabuto use Edo Tensei and revive all of the Uchiha Clan and then Sasuke will be a good guy once again and join team 7 once again.

[MinatoXNaruto]

^^Yeah, maybe for a little bit so they can talk and stuff, then Itachi makes Kabuto end the jutsu, or else Madara finishes off the kages

[itachipeintobi]

i have my ups and diwns about Sasuke.... i have to say if Itachi didnt kill the whole Uchiha clan((which he had to for a reason))then Ssuke would still be good but that didnt happen so.....Itachi could have killed Sasuke when he was young...did he????no...he didnt have the heart and he loved his littoe brother a lot so he told his brother to hate him

[mrsticky005]

Sasuke is a bad guy for sure. But he's gonna be redeemed. Not because he deserves it but because I seriously doubt Kishimoto is gonna kill off Sasuke as a villain. It would mean that Naruto has failed.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Sticky said it all ^

[Maruko]

Random woman:''Oh,look,it's Uchiha Sasuke! He was a villain who wanted to destroy Konoha and he's now back! C'mon honey,go say hi to Mr.Sasuke!''
Little girl:'' Hey,Mr.Sasuke,you will be my friend!''
Sasuke:''Yay!'' *plays with the girl in park*

I think that he will die after his fight with Naruto,i don't know why.
but i'd like to see him in Konoha again,i miss the old team 7 *cry*

[Ultimate combatant]

Sasuke is a bad guy for sure. But he's gonna be redeemed. Not because he deserves it but because I seriously doubt Kishimoto is gonna kill off Sasuke as a villain. It would mean that Naruto has failed.

Everyone deserves another chance!!! :D
Whether he truly was completely evil or not, he deserves another chance, after he either decides to help Naruto on his, or after Naruto beats some sense into him.

Random woman:''Oh,look,it's Uchiha Sasuke! He was a villain who wanted to destroy Konoha and he's now back! C'mon honey,go say hi to Mr.Sasuke!''
Little girl:'' Hey,Mr.Sasuke,you will be my friend!''
Sasuke:''Yay!'' *plays with the girl in park*

I think that he will die after his fight with Naruto,i don't know why.
but i'd like to see him in Konoha again,i miss the old team 7 *cry*

I also would like them to be together, being less tense when together, training together, going around together, going on missions together. Have their small arguments, enjoying the times when they successfully complete missions!!! :D

I wish this to happen because of Naruto (he really wants this, anyone and everyone can feel his pain), because of me, because of Sasuke (As much of a jerk he is, he still suffered greatly), because of Sakura and Kakashi (They too, would like to see this happen), because of everyone from Konoha and Shinobi World.

Sasuke was quite a jerk, but I don`t think he`s that much of a bad guy!!! :D

[Godaime Kazekage]

Yes we know that Gaara and co. were evil in the past, but they were ultimately redeemed which is likely to also happen with Sasuke. It's just according to his current actions he is evil.

I think the point at which I first considered Sasuke truly evil was when he mercilessly sacrificed Karin with the Chidori spear and then went to finish her off, treating her like a discarded piece of trash. Also wanting to kill a bunch of innocent people in a village doesn't help`:P

[SharinganSage]

I doubt Naruto would be able to influence the entire village to accept Sasuke. Naruto DID say they both would die. But that would interfere with Naruto becoming Hokage. Kishi has some options, definately. Who knows, maybe Sasuke will somehow go back and restore the Sound Village. Then they would ally with the Konoha. That would definately tie up a loose end.

[Kuromaki]

Sasuke actions are irredeemable but they are understandable. The odds just weren't in his favor...

[Taka-hebi1]

he is being manipulated by Masked man I know in the end he will kill sasuke when he gets what he wants.Sasuke is just a pawn in his plan sasuke actions are understandable right now he is the equalivalent of a lost puppy looking for his master.

[Rasen_Chidori]

Sasuke isn't "evil" he's immature and irrational, basically, he is so convinced that he has it worse than everyone else, no-one knows how he feels, no-one can understand his pain. That's the thought process, and in his mind it makes what he wants to do justifyed. "Who are you to tell me what's right? You know nothing of how I feel!" A pretty naive and selfish view really.

It's pretty obvious he'll be redeemed at some point, the seeds of his redemption will be set in this fight with Kabuto.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Sasuke actions are irredeemable but they are understandable. The odds just weren't in his favor...

Your signature says it all.
But regardless of that, may the odds be ever in his favor.

[ChidoriBarrage]

Sasuke just has had a tough time if he had knew the truth about itachi from the start he wouldve not of gone his evil ways and have his heart filled with darkness and the whole ninja world after him.... but hey deep down sasuke is just following ''sasukes ninja way'' which right now i guess is destroying konoha

[UchiHa_AsH]

Itachi fooling him and all that is no excuse. He didn't have trust in his comrades from the start as he was easily swayed by orochimaru. To easy if you ask me.

Sasuke will be redeemed but that doesn't mean he will be allowed back into the village. He just wont be a criminal anymore. There is no way that Sasuke is coming back to the village and things would go back to what they were because first...Naruto will be hokage so no more missions for the 3 of them unless he gives them lol xD

Also Sasuke wouldn't want to go back to the village even after he didn't destroy it because his own conscious wouldn't let him. I would return to live normaly to a place that i wanted to destroy..just doesn't work that way lol.

[mrsticky005]

Everyone deserves another chance!!! :D
Whether he truly was completely evil or not, he deserves another chance, after he either decides to help Naruto on his, or after Naruto beats some sense into him.



I also would like them to be together, being less tense when together, training together, going around together, going on missions together. Have their small arguments, enjoying the times when they successfully complete missions!!! :D

I wish this to happen because of Naruto (he really wants this, anyone and everyone can feel his pain), because of me, because of Sasuke (As much of a jerk he is, he still suffered greatly), because of Sakura and Kakashi (They too, would like to see this happen), because of everyone from Konoha and Shinobi World.

Sasuke was quite a jerk, but I don`t think he`s that much of a bad guy!!! :D


Hate to break it to you but Sasuke has had PLENTY of chances
to turn back.

[mrsticky005]

Itachi fooling him and all that is no excuse. He didn't have trust in his comrades from the start as he was easily swayed by orochimaru. To easy if you ask me.

Sasuke will be redeemed but that doesn't mean he will be allowed back into the village. He just wont be a criminal anymore. There is no way that Sasuke is coming back to the village and things would go back to what they were because first...Naruto will be hokage so no more missions for the 3 of them unless he gives them lol xD

Also Sasuke wouldn't want to go back to the village even after he didn't destroy it because his own conscious wouldn't let him. I would return to live normaly to a place that i wanted to destroy..just doesn't work that way lol.

If Sasuke returns to the village it will be probably the worst ending Naruto could have.

Hell Naruto and Sasuke fusion is better than that.

[JashinSama]

^Agreed.

FEWWWWWWWWWW-SION-HA

[TheBlackDevil]

Sasuke's doing what he's doing out of rage because of what the village did to his brother. I'd say that makes sense; I mean, think about it. He had his entire childhood taken away, his adored elder brother left, and he was alone in the world. Anyone with that experience would go crazy. Not to mention, that brother who he so dearly admired was actually protecting him all along. If Konoha didn't turn Itachi into a murderer, then Sasuke would have never had such a burden in the first place; he might actually have had a happy childhood and he'd probably grow up to be a nice kid. Wouldn't you act off of rage and impulse if the person most important to you was taken away?

[JashinSama]

Sasuke's doing what he's doing out of rage because of what the village did to his brother. I'd say that makes sense; I mean, think about it. He had his entire childhood taken away, his adored elder brother left, and he was alone in the world. Anyone with that experience would go crazy. Not to mention, that brother who he so dearly admired was actually protecting him all along. If Konoha didn't turn Itachi into a murderer, then Sasuke would have never had such a burden in the first place; he might actually have had a happy childhood and he'd probably grow up to be a nice kid. Wouldn't you act off of rage and impulse if the person most important to you was taken away?

So that gives him the right to kill anyone in your path to save the pride of his dead brother? Let alone, waltz back into Konoha without a problem?

If I was Hokage, I'd feel bad for him, but still kill him if he entered the Konoha Barrier.

[HighJack98]

I think we can all understand Sasuke's pain and aggony he used to want to avnge his Clan and rebuild it but after his battle with Itachi he wants to kill those who made Itchi suffer but the truth is that Madara told lies to Sasuke and manipulated him Itachi slaughtered his clan by his own choice he heard about the Uchiha going to attack the Village hidden in the leaves and couldn't stand by
after his slaughter he couldn't live with the guilt so he got his own brother to hate him and Itachi knew sasuke would join Orochimaru he did so that he could kill Orochimaru during Sasuke and Itachi's battle so Sasuke's hatred Naruto's desparate need to save Sasuke and even his own death was planned out

DON'T TRY AND PROVE ME WRONG`@x)

[JashinSama]

I think we can all understand Sasuke's pain and aggony he used to want to avnge his Clan and rebuild it but after his battle with Itachi he wants to kill those who made Itchi suffer but the truth is that Madara told lies to Sasuke and manipulated him Itachi slaughtered his clan by his own choice he heard about the Uchiha going to attack the Village hidden in the leaves and couldn't stand by
after his slaughter he couldn't live with the guilt so he got his own brother to hate him and Itachi knew sasuke would join Orochimaru he did so that he could kill Orochimaru during Sasuke and Itachi's battle so Sasuke's hatred Naruto's desparate need to save Sasuke and even his own death was planned out

DON'T TRY AND PROVE ME WRONG`@x)

I won't prove you wrong, but there's one detail you were wrong about.

Madara didn't brainwash Sasuke, Tobi brainwashed Sasuke.

[HighJack98]

Madara didn't brainwash Sasuke, Tobi brainwashed Sasuke.[/QUOTE]

Difference???:?:

[JashinSama]

Difference???:?:

They're not the same person bro.

Tobi has not been confirmed to be Madara. He just said he was Madara to make everyone afraid of him.

[HighJack98]

true i guess what really bugs me though is that people think Tobi is Obito from Minato's squad with Kakashi and Rin

[JashinSama]

I think Tobi could be a lot of people, he could also be OBITO'S FATHER.

:3

[HighJack98]

doubt that very much

[JashinSama]

doubt that very much


Kakashi sucks things into his left eye, Tobi sucks things into his right eye.

No connection?

[Ultimate combatant]

Kakashi sucks things into his left eye, Tobi sucks things into his right eye.

No connection?

Oh, how could I miss this?

Tobi is Kakashi`s evil clone!!! :D

[JashinSama]

I seriously think Tobi is the father of Obito LOL

[LilHinataGirl]

My stupid thoughts is that truth that Itachi will like wise mention to Sasuke before Edo Tensei is all done and over with is gonna make Sasuke redeem himself as a Konoha ninja.

My thoughts are that Sasuke won't die as a villian and it's making me think that instead of fighting with Naruto, my quotations is that he joins the fight with Naruto, I mean Tobi is at fault for everything, for the terrible slaughter of the Uchiha clan, the terrible incident with the Nine Tail Fox of the night Naruto was born, he is the main key and I think that Naruto and Sasuke will join forces as one to win against the man who ruined the childhood of many characters...

Sasuke isn't bad, his emotions are getting the better of him and he can't help it, so yeah I wanna see the last fight with Naruto and Sasuke but I rather see Sasuke live than most characters...

And the Edo Tensei, god now since I read some comments, wouldn't haven Kabuto somehow revive Sasuke and Itachi's parents, I would love to see a scene with those two, even if it's just for a second... HAHA my uber fan-ness is just weird.

But like I said, Sasuke isn't bad, he will be redeemed a good character in the end! (:

[Wind Style Naruto]

Its like this Sasuke was branded an international criminal because the biased Raikage thought that he had kidnapped his little brother but since Bee was never captured Sasuke's only offense was joining the Akatsuki, attacking the Kages, being accused for the murder of Danzo(although it seemed that not much people cared), and killing some fodders. If Sasuke can defeat Kabuto and bring an end to Edo Madara he could earn some redeem points in the public eye or even join the Alliance side to take down Tobi.

However, Gaara was the same. He was a psychopathic killer who killed anyone who remotely pissed him off but his actions weren't as severe as Sasuke's for Sasuke killed or attempted to kill more important figure heads while Gaara only killed like random ninjas who opposed him and it was actually acceptable just sorta f-ed up and the Sand Village attempted to control him. Plus Gaara's behavoir was pinned on his douche of a father and the Biju inside of him. No one knows of the reason behind the Uchiha Massacre but the leaf elders so they assume that Sasuke joined the Akatsuki of unacceptable and nonredeemable reasons.

However, since he only killed Danzo and some samurais the most they can do is lock him up. However, he can be acquitted if the truth behind the Uchiha Massacre is revealed. They won't feel sorry for him but the villagers and other villages will judge the Leaf's government and that is where Naruto comes in with the respect he earned from everyone from all the villages he becomes Hokage and can fix the corrupted government and even sway other political leaders about Sasuke's punishment.

However, it all depends on if Sasuke is redeemed at the end or becomes good again but most likely it depends on what Sasuke does next. If he adds more crimes to the ones he has now then not being redeemed becomes harder but so does his final punishment.

Is he a bad guy? Not really just some guy fueled by rage to kill some people. However, this battle with Kabuto and what Suigetsu found that can "allow them to control the war" could play relevance to his future role in the story.

[mrsticky005]

We all get WHY Sasuke does what he does.

But him returning to the village is still stupid

[HokageSoulReaper]

Whatever the reasons, and no matter if he's confused or not, answer's simple: YES! YES! YES!

[HighJack98]

Sasuke isn't a bad guy he's just to hung over revenge

[mrsticky005]

Sasuke isn't a bad guy he's just to hung over revenge

No. No! NO!


Shikamaru was hung over revenge!

Naruto was hung over revenge!


Sasuke wants to murder his former comrades for something they didn't do.

Why?

Because they were "laughing" at him.

[FateBringsUsTogether]

That would be so cool if Team 7 was back together... but you just KNOW Kishi is gonna kill a Team 7 member... and to be honest, Gaara's tendency to kill on impulse was just him being crazy. What's even more scary than that is a person who know's what he wants, know's who he is going to kill, and exactly how he is going to do it. Dont you think?

[HighJack98]

yeah that is pretty freaky

[Rougie]

Redemption for Sasuke would be ridiculous. If Sasuke can return to the Leaf Village after everything he's done, I will have lost all respect for Kishimoto.

Sasuke has to be one of the most abusive, selfish, weak-minded characters in the series. But everyone still loves him... What?

Yes.
Sasuke tries to Kill Naruto. Naruto still loves Sasuke.
Sasuke Stabs Karin. Karin still loves Sasuke.
Sasuke tries to Kill Sakura. Sakura still loves Sasuke.

What's the morale of the story Kishi? It's no big deal for a friend to hurt you? You should blame yourself when your friend does awful things to you? You should continue to save a friendship/relationship with someone who hurts you? Oh, but a one-sided, twisted friendship is more important than life itself... What?

Mon Dieu!

Sasuke needs to die. I suppose him becoming blind through self-sacrifice, and only then being accepted by the Leaf again might sit okay with me.

And Sasuke's traumatic childhood does not excuse his actions. That's like saying it's okay for victims of child exploitation to exploit children when they're older. Bad logic is bad.

[Belisarius]

"The leaf has had its dark sides and its inconsistencies" -Itachi Uchiha

So leaving the village responsible for all your pain and suffering makes you a bad guy now? Itachi had no choice but to kill his clan, and family, to convince Sasuke into believing a lie. Itachia had to trade honor for dishonor, love for hate. The Leaf ruined Sasuke's life. He's bad for wanting a little revenge? He loves his brother Itachi. Thats it, and he's fighting for what he thinks is right.

Is Naruto bad for having cared for Jiraiya? Naruto sought revenge on Pain after he attacked the village. Naruto said he could never forgive Nagato for what he did. And yet Naruto is pure good and Sasuke is pure evil? I can't Disagree more with the logic of this forum.

It all depends on your perspective. From Sasuke's point of view, he's fighting for what he believes is right. He's fighting for justice.

From Naruto's point of view the leaf is "good", and he's trying to become Hokage and lead the side that is "good."

"We live life by what we believe to be right and true." -Itachi

And how about Tobi? He believes he's doing the right thing. He sees a world full of war, and pain, and suffering. He's seeking to create lasting peace, via control. Is peace now an evil thing? The problewm with Tobi is the means don't justify the end. But Tobi is right in a way. The ninja world is not a good place. Even Jiraiya admits this. The world is flawed. The villages fight wars amongst themselves and people kill people all the time in this world Kishi has created.

We all see things from Naruto's point of view. Thats how its written. So we automatically assume Naruto's fight to be the right fight, the good fight.

You've got to take a step back and see that things aren't simply "good" or "evil". Everyone acts in the manner they think is best. No one acts evil to be evil. There are always shades of gray. "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view-until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." -Atticus Finch

So no. Sasuke is not evil, he is not a bad guy. He's fighting for those he cares for, and what he thinks is right. He's a flawed character because he lets his emotions dictate his actions at times. But no ones perfect. No ones a cardboard cutout. His flaws add a little humanity to him, and make him a more interesting character.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Sasuke wants to destroy Konoha because of what the HEADS OF THE KONOHA did to the Uchiha, basically manipulated Itachi to kill the Uchiha, but Sasuke is too foolish to understand that Itachi did that on his own free will, to defend his village and the shinobi world because the Uchiha were mad of having no power.

[Maruko]

So,Sasuke is just a common troll?

[White Zetsu]

Sasuke has been manipulated, and hes too stupid to honor Itachi's wish. So hes evil from stupidity.

[JashinSama]

Nope, just a guy driven to be a true revengist.

Still a bad guy.

[Maruko]

A bad guy,but you must admit that you LOVE evil characters :)

BTW,What happened to good old bad Sasuke?

[Rougie]

It all depends on your perspective. From Sasuke's point of view, he's fighting for what he believes is right. He's fighting for justice.

...

So no. Sasuke is not evil, he is not a bad guy. He's fighting for those he cares for, and what he thinks is right. He's a flawed character because he lets his emotions dictate his actions at times. But no ones perfect. No ones a cardboard cutout. His flaws add a little humanity to him, and make him a more interesting character.

That is contradictory. Sasuke isn't fighting for justice, he's fighting for revenge. There's a difference. Sasuke's shown he's willing to commit injustices (murder) to even people who trust and believe in him, so it would be false to say he's seeking justice, while committing the very same injustices. He just wants revenge, and he doesn't care about what he has to do to get it. He doesn't care about being just or serving justice, he only cares about revenge. Sasuke's said so himself all the time.

[FateBringsUsTogether]

He's also fighting for pride. I mean come on, after all those years of wishing his "villanous" brother death, after turning his back on Konoha to live with Orochimaru and Kabuto, after killing his brother just to realize his brother meant for him to defend Konoha? Maybe it's just me but he's also doing it because he was already pushed off this cliff. And because people in Konoha laughed... don't laugh in front of Uchiha Sasuke... or you'll get his MEAN face! O_O

[JashinSama]

That is contradictory. Sasuke isn't fighting for justice, he's fighting for revenge. There's a difference. Sasuke's shown he's willing to commit injustices (murder) to even people who trust and believe in him, so it would be false to say he's seeking justice, while committing the very same injustices. He just wants revenge, and he doesn't care about what he has to do to get it. He doesn't care about being just or serving justice, he only cares about revenge. Sasuke's said so himself all the time.

Like he said, he's fighting for his own justice.

To Sasuke, killing the Elders of Konoha IS justice. His revenge IS justice in his opinion. It's not contradictory, it's all based on perspective.

[radwan rushdi]

hes want to defeat naruto but i dont think so because naruto dont want to
hurt sasuke he only talk to him not fight him yet


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[radwan rushdi]

naruto will win for sure


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[radwan rushdi]

go go go naruto


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I tried to help you once
Against my own advice!
I saw you going down!
But you never realized
So I offered you my hand Compassion in my nature