Konoha 11 Vs Akatsuki

[MatKnapers]

KONOHA 11
Choji
Ino
Shikamaru
Hinata
Shino
Kiba
Naruto
Sasuke
Sai
Sakura
Neji
Tenten
Rock Lee

AKATSUKI
Deidara
Hidan
Kisame
Kakuzu
Konan
Sasori
Tobi
Itachi
Zestu
Pain

RESTRICTIONS

The most advanced mode Naruto can enter is his Nine tails chakra mode (kyubi mode)
Deidara cannot use his suicide bomb.

Please tell m if you feel the teams are unfair or more or less restrictions should be added.

[Kakashi11]

the problem is that most of the konoha 11 have not shown very much feats in shippuden
Ino,Hinata and Shino aint gonna do anythin part from cry
Only Sasuke can reach Deidara
Hidan does nothin

Tobi and tailed beasts pretty much pone everyone apart from Sasuke and Naruto and maybe Choiji

[MatKnapers]

the problem is that most of the konoha 11 have not shown very much feats in shippuden
Ino,Hinata and Shino aint gonna do anythin part from cry
Only Sasuke can reach Deidara
Hidan does nothin

Tobi and tailed beasts pretty much pone everyone apart from Sasuke and Naruto and maybe Choiji

What about Lee and Neji? surely Lee when in eight gates could last longer than Choji?

[Kakashi11]

What about Lee and Neji? surely Lee when in eight gates could last longer than Choji?

Lee has only been shown in 5 gates and that could not even defeat Gaara.
Neji could not do anything to harm the tailed beasts
Chouji was shown to last quite long against Asuma and the Gedo maze statue though still lost

[megabbaut]

Sai can solo Deidara and Sasori.
Naruto and Sasuke can take care of Itachi and Pain.
Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino can take out Kakuzu and Hidan.
Lee and Kiba blitzes everyone else.

[Kakashi11]

Sai can solo Deidara and Sasori.
Naruto and Sasuke can take care of Itachi and Pain.
Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino can take out Kakuzu and Hidan.
Lee and Kiba blitzes everyone else.

including Tobi and his tailed beasts

[megabbaut]

including Tobi and his tailed beasts
Tobi doesn't have his tailed beasts here.

[Frost ninja]

Sai can solo Deidara and Sasori.

Only he can't. At least not puppet sasori. He can knock them into black ant, but still. C4 solos. Or iron Sand barrage.

Naruto and Sasuke can take care of Itachi and Pain.

No sage mode means Pain is pretty much free to launch off a CT or five. Susanoo protects.

Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino can take out Kakuzu and Hidan.

Iron Sand, C4, and CT.

Lee and Kiba blitzes everyone else.

Nope. Not imo at least, I don't see it happening.
Gedo Mazo pretty much wins it, along with other boss summon spams.

[megabbaut]

Only he can't. At least not puppet sasori. He can knock them into black ant, but still. C4 solos. Or iron Sand barrage.
He solo'd them before. In Edo Tensei form, too. Even currently they still have know counter for the two ink warriors. And he can blitz them too.

No sage mode means Pain is pretty much free to launch off a CT or five. Susanoo protects.
He still has his Nine Tails Chakra Mode, which is faster than Sage Mode. Plus, CT requires quite a lot of prep, plus Sasuke has a Susanoo too. A summoning break down the house will destroy Itachi's Susanoo.

Iron Sand, C4, and CT.
Do nothing. And C4 and Iron Sand require prep. And Sakura can keep Sasori distracted since she can counter it anyway.

[Frost ninja]

He solo'd them before. In Edo Tensei form, too. Even currently they still have know counter for the two ink warriors. And he can blitz them too.

Killing the almost reactionless sai with microscopic bombs or iron sand is a great counter.


He still has his Nine Tails Chakra Mode, which is faster than Sage Mode. Plus, CT requires quite a lot of prep, plus Sasuke has a Susanoo too. A summoning break down the house will destroy Itachi's Susanoo.

Nine tails chakra being kyuubi cloak, not RM.
Bring down the house jutsu gets trumped by the other 800 boss summons.


Do nothing. And C4 and Iron Sand require prep. And Sakura can keep Sasori distracted since she can counter it anyway.

Only she cant. Antidotes arent standard equipment, nor can she make it on the spot. C4 requires him to eat clay, iron sand requires him to summon a puppet. Between Gedo mazo and the other boss summons, theres nothing stopping them.

Hell, they can't even touch Konan. She just suffocates them all in paper.

[Gamaran]

Akatsuki stomps.

[megabbaut]

Killing the almost reactionless sai with microscopic bombs or iron sand is a great counter.
Reactionless? He stopped Sasuke's attack on Naruto. And for the microscoping bombs, he has to throw up the clay first which is hard to do when you get blitzed.

Also want to point out that even if CT is effective it would result in a suicide, making it a tie.

Nine tails chakra being kyuubi cloak, not RM.
Bring down the house jutsu gets trumped by the other 800 boss summons.
OP specified the RM version of Naruto.
What other 800 boss summons? Pain can only summon one at a time.

Only she cant. Antidotes arent standard equipment, nor can she make it on the spot. C4 requires him to eat clay, iron sand requires him to summon a puppet. Between Gedo mazo and the other boss summons, theres nothing stopping them.

Hell, they can't even touch Konan. She just suffocates them all in paper.
Sakura has knowledge of Sasori now, and since she can easily read Sasori's finger patterns, Sasori will have a hard time hitting Sakura.

Here's C4: getting out clay, eating it, throwing it up, waiting for it to form and explode. I doubt Deidara could do all that under the time he gets blitzed by Sai.

Not just summon a puppet, but the puppet spitting out Iron Sand, forming two Iron Sand triangles together, forming World Order. Too bad he also gets blitzed by Sai during all that.

Gedo Mazo also requires prep. Tobi needed the Edo Jinchuriki to hold Naruto and Bee off until he was ready. And he doesn't have them here.

Konan gets blitzed by Gated Lee.

[Frost ninja]

Reactionless? He stopped Sasuke's attack on Naruto. And for the microscoping bombs, he has to throw up the clay first which is hard to do when you get blitzed.

Thats cool and all, but thats not saving him from Iron Sand. And he can't blitz either when he has to run from a lot of boss summons.


Also want to point out that even if CT is effective it would result in a suicide, making it a tie.

Because Deva got sucked into CT the first time?


OP specified the RM version of Naruto.

He specified the "highest he could go is Kyuubi cloak". Theres no point in specifying he can only go to his highest form. Its red cloak, thats all.

What other 800 boss summons? Pain can only summon one at a time.

He had 3 out before, you know... The dogs, bird, catepillar all ravaging the town at the same time. Plus theres Gedo, Clay dragons, Clay birds, Masks, and so on so forth.


Sakura has knowledge of Sasori now, and since she can easily read Sasori's finger patterns, Sasori will have a hard time hitting Sakura.

She'll be hardpressed to focus on that when gedo mazo stepping on her.

Here's C4: getting out clay, eating it, throwing it up, waiting for it to form and explode. I doubt Deidara could do all that under the time he gets blitzed by Sai.

Gedo Mazo.

Not just summon a puppet, but the puppet spitting out Iron Sand, forming two Iron Sand triangles together, forming World Order. Too bad he also gets blitzed by Sai during all that.

Gedo Mazo.

Gedo Mazo also requires prep. Tobi needed the Edo Jinchuriki to hold Naruto and Bee off until he was ready. And he doesn't have them here.

Other 8 boss summons.

Konan gets blitzed by Gated Lee.

Only she's intagable... so no, she's not getting blitzed. Mummified by Konan.

Also I should mention Water Dome will pretty much let everyone get their preps done.

[Gamaran]

Again, Akatsuki stomps.

[megabbaut]

Thats cool and all, but thats not saving him from Iron Sand. And he can't blitz either when he has to run from a lot of boss summons.
And how fast is Iron Sand? Sakura barely even needed Chiyo's help to dodge them.

Because Deva got sucked into CT the first time?
He was a good distance away from KN6 (who was the target) the last time. Here, they're pretty close to each other.

He specified the "highest he could go is Kyuubi cloak". Theres no point in specifying he can only go to his highest form. Its red cloak, thats all.
No, he said "the highest he could go is Kyuubi mode" Kyuubi mode, as in Kyuubi chakra mode.
I'd agree with you if he said otherwise and indeed said "Kyuubi cloak" Naruto, but seeing how vague that is the closest it would be is Kyuubi chakra mode Naruto.

He had 3 out before, you know... The dogs, bird, catepillar all ravaging the town at the same time. Plus theres Gedo, Clay dragons, Clay birds, Masks, and so on so forth.
And what exactly suggests that Pain could summon 800 boss summons all at once? There's also the part about "prep" Clay Dragons and Clay birds are taken down by Ink Dragons and Ink Birds. And huge Ink warriors, too.

She'll be hardpressed to focus on that when gedo mazo stepping on her.
Which again requires prep.

Gedo Mazo.
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Gedo Mazo.
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Other 8 boss summons.
The ones that get stopped by a blitz, you mean?

Only she's intagable... so no, she's not getting blitzed. Mummified by Konan.
Since when is she intangible? And this is all assuming that she reacts, which, you know, doesn't. Since she's the reactionless one here, if anything.

Also I should mention Water Dome will pretty much let everyone get their preps done.
Kisame needed loads of Hachibi chakra to use that. He could probably go after Naruto, but seeing how he's so much faster than him he'll have a hard time getting chakra from him.

[ILIKEPIE]

since when did Kisame need Hachibi chakra to use water dome?

[megabbaut]

Since he used water dome specifically after absorbing Bee's chakra.

[Frost ninja]

And how fast is Iron Sand? Sakura barely even needed Chiyo's help to dodge them.

Only she didn;t dodge world order, she had to antidote.

He was a good distance away from KN6 (who was the target) the last time. Here, they're pretty close to each other.

Zetsu can go intangable also by the by.


No, he said "the highest he could go is Kyuubi mode" Kyuubi mode, as in Kyuubi chakra mode.

Or as in Kyuubi mode as in Kyuubi mode. As in not RM.

I'd agree with you if he said otherwise and indeed said "Kyuubi cloak" Naruto, but seeing how vague that is the closest it would be is Kyuubi chakra mode Naruto.

Or just kyuubi cloak naruto?


And what exactly suggests that Pain could summon 800 boss summons all at once? There's also the part about "prep" Clay Dragons and Clay birds are taken down by Ink Dragons and Ink Birds. And huge Ink warriors, too.

Dragon took all of Dei putting his hands together. Clay birds were mass summoned. Ink dragons and birds won't be doing much of anything.


Which again requires prep.

He has plenty when boss summons are rampaging.


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The ones that get stopped by a blitz, you mean?

By who? Sai isn't outdrawing animal path putting her hands on the ground and popping out bulls, catipillars, and etc.


Since when is she intangible? And this is all assuming that she reacts, which, you know, doesn't. Since she's the reactionless one here, if anything.

Well shes paper. Unless your going to say they can kill living paper.


Kisame needed loads of Hachibi chakra to use that. He could probably go after Naruto, but seeing how he's so much faster than him he'll have a hard time getting chakra from him.

Only he isn't. Not in KM at least, and so on so forth.

[ILIKEPIE]

he used water dome on Neji Lee and Tenten before without tailed beast chakra

[megabbaut]

Only she didn;t dodge world order, she had to antidote.
Only she dodged. 269/15

Zetsu can go intangable also by the by.
Too bad he's one of the blitzed victims.

Or as in Kyuubi mode as in Kyuubi mode. As in not RM.
Kyuubi mode, short for KM. Which is the highest advanced form Naruto can go through.

Or just kyuubi cloak naruto?
Which wasn't specified.

Dragon took all of Dei putting his hands together. Clay birds were mass summoned. Ink dragons and birds won't be doing much of anything.
Dragon are still taken out by being tackled by Ink birds, and you mean the little versions of the clay birds? They are dodged.

He has plenty when boss summons are rampaging.
Which also requires prep.

By who? Sai isn't outdrawing animal path putting her hands on the ground and popping out bulls, catipillars, and etc.
By Lee or Kiba. Especially Lee in gates.

Well shes paper. Unless your going to say they can kill living paper.
Assuming she reacts and turns to paper before she's blitzed, which she doesn't. And since its living paper containing Konan's life energy, it gets burned by Sasuke's fire styles.

Only he isn't. Not in KM at least, and so on so forth.
Except he is and Kisame isn't really much of a speedster himself.

he used water dome on Neji Lee and Tenten before without tailed beast chakra
That was water prison and he needs to catch one of them which is hard considering he's preoccupied.

[Frost ninja]

Only she dodged. 269/15

World order? Or just the cubes?

Also if you mean her jumping back, you can faintly see the chakra strings on her.


Too bad he's one of the blitzed victims.

Doubtful, I don't see anyone getting blitzed.


Kyuubi mode, short for KM. Which is the highest advanced form Naruto can go through.

Kyuubi Chakra Mode, its a lot different than RM.


Which wasn't specified.

Neither was yours.

Dragon are still taken out by being tackled by Ink birds, and you mean the little versions of the clay birds? They are dodged.

Dragon wont die that easily. Ink birds die from clay birds.

Which also requires prep.

Which he has plenty of.


By Lee or Kiba. Especially Lee in gates.

Lee in gates requires more prep than anything needed to kill them.


Assuming she reacts and turns to paper before she's blitzed, which she doesn't. And since its living paper containing Konan's life energy, it gets burned by Sasuke's fire styles.

Like how it got burned by Jirayia's fire?

Oh wait...


Except he is and Kisame isn't really much of a speedster himself.

Neither is Kyuubi cloak naruto.
That was water prison and he needs to catch one of them which is hard considering he's preoccupied.

Not really, ince the boss summons will take care of it all.

[MatKnapers]

So if i were to add gaara, temari and kankuro (yes i do realise they are not in konoha 11) would it make things more fair?

[Godaime Kazekage]

So if i were to add gaara, temari and kankuro (yes i do realise they are not in konoha 11) would it make things more fair?

Yes. As much as I hate it when everyone underestimates the K11-Akatsuki would win this with ease. They're all S Rank whereas the only ones in K11 who qualify at that ranking are Naruto and Sasuke.

[MinatoXNaruto]

Konoha 11 does not include Sasuke or Naruto. That would be the Konoha 13

[MinatoXNaruto]

But anyway, Akatsuki stomps. Everyone gets taken out except Sasuke and Naruto. They then would get solo'd by tobi and his tailed beasts along with gedo mazo, while the other Akatsuki members go back and have coffee with each other

[Kioroshi.]

man Megga give up.I have not yet heard enough stupidness to say sai blitzes Sasori OR deidara if sai does not get his ass, red in 2 sec he achieved something.



Akatsuki stomps,Konoha 11 have no chance.

[Frost ninja]

To be fair, the twin ogres drawing got them before they could rightly react, the only problem is it would prove ineffective against a puppet sasori and it might've been a low end feat for dei.

[Cult of Personality]

Choji
Ino
Shikamaru
Hinata
Shino
Kiba
Sai
Sakura
Neji
Tenten
Rock Lee


Fodder

Naruto
Sasuke


C4ed.

[megabbaut]

World order? Or just the cubes?

Also if you mean her jumping back, you can faintly see the chakra strings on her.
The cubes make up World Order.

It's implied that Sakura did most of the dodging without much of Chiyo's help.

Doubtful, I don't see anyone getting blitzed.
Barely anyone in the Akatsuki has shown reaction feats that prove that they are capable of reacting to Gated Lee, who has the BEST speed feat in the manga which the speed has not been seen again until RM Naruto started showing feats.

Kyuubi Chakra Mode, its a lot different than RM.
Kyuubi Chakra Mode IS RM...

Neither was yours.
Yes it was. Note, Nine Tails (Kyuubi) "chakra mode"

Dragon wont die that easily. Ink birds die from clay birds.
Dragon was taken put by clipped wings. Ink birds could do that. And there are a lot more ink birds than clay birds. Deidara has limited clay while Sai has refills.

Which he has plenty of.
And how so?

Lee in gates requires more prep than anything needed to kill them.
Gates are instantaneous.

Like how it got burned by Jirayia's fire?

Oh wait...
Big difference being those were weapons rather than Konan's life energy.

Neither is Kyuubi cloak naruto.
Which isn't here.

Not really, ince the boss summons will take care of it all.
Too bad they don't get summoned.

Sorry for the late reply btw, had a LOT of stuff to do.

[Kioroshi.]

lets say Akatsuki uses strategy cuz mega will not give up.They guard Pain while he prepares his Ultimate Shinra Tensei.Then all those little pest get washed of the ground.

Or they all guard Tobi while he summons Gedo Mazo then gg again.And millions of other choices.

Akatsuki stomps.

[megabbaut]

lets say Akatsuki uses strategy cuz mega will not give up.They guard Pain while he prepares his Ultimate Shinra Tensei.Then all those little pest get washed of the ground.

Or they all guard Tobi while he summons Gedo Mazo then gg again.And millions of other choices.

Akatsuki stomps.
Naruto has knowledge of both. Either him or Gated Lee get past them all and stop them.

Plus, Konoha 11 can use strategy too. Shikamaru could Shadow Possess everyone while Choji steps on all of them. Or Choji goes big and Kiba uses Double Headed Wolf and steps on all of them again.

[Frost ninja]

The cubes make up World Order.

It's implied that Sakura did most of the dodging without much of Chiyo's help.


Barely anyone in the Akatsuki has shown reaction feats that prove that they are capable of reacting to Gated Lee, who has the BEST speed feat in the manga which the speed has not been seen again until RM Naruto started showing feats.


Kyuubi Chakra Mode IS RM...


Yes it was. Note, Nine Tails (Kyuubi) "chakra mode"


Dragon was taken put by clipped wings. Ink birds could do that. And there are a lot more ink birds than clay birds. Deidara has limited clay while Sai has refills.


And how so?


Gates are instantaneous.


Big difference being those were weapons rather than Konan's life energy.


Which isn't here.


Too bad they don't get summoned.

Sorry for the late reply btw, had a LOT of stuff to do.


Feats show strings. Thus, there were strings.

Gates aren't instant.

Kyuubi mode is what he fought haku/Neji with.

Only problem is the birds can only come out so fast, Deidara can make them en masse and make even bigger explosions. Won't matter anyways, the Ogres won't be targeting him in the beginning but rather the multitude of boss summons while Dei C4's everyone.

Gates are instant since when? I haven't seen Lee go gates without at least a minute of diologue. By then its C4 time.

Paper is paper, and Konan was shooting herself at him.

Thats the mode the author talked about. Notice how you said "until RM starts showing feats." RM =/= CC.

Boss summons can be done mid-air too. And on the move. And require no prep. So yes, while bulls and centipede and whatnot are attacking it gives almost full prep time for everyone.

[megabbaut]

Feats show strings. Thus, there were strings.

Gates aren't instant.

Kyuubi mode is what he fought haku/Neji with.

Only problem is the birds can only come out so fast, Deidara can make them en masse and make even bigger explosions. Won't matter anyways, the Ogres won't be targeting him in the beginning but rather the multitude of boss summons while Dei C4's everyone.

Gates are instant since when? I haven't seen Lee go gates without at least a minute of diologue. By then its C4 time.

Paper is paper, and Konan was shooting herself at him.

Thats the mode the author talked about. Notice how you said "until RM starts showing feats." RM =/= CC.

Boss summons can be done mid-air too. And on the move. And require no prep. So yes, while bulls and centipede and whatnot are attacking it gives almost full prep time for everyone.
270/8. Look here. Chiyo states that Even without her help she was able to read Sasori's finger patterns, helping her dodge his attacks. Few pages afterward, she barely dodges more Iron Sand.

Lee opened the first gate instantaneously against Kimimaru. What's to say he can't do that for all the other gates?

No, that's his Initial Kyuubi form. Which is different from chakra mode Naruto. Until the OP specifies what he's taking about, this argument might as well go on forever.

Sai's ink can block those explosions with the two gigantic ink warriors.

C4 as stated takes loads of prep. Not only that, Deidara needs to fly up into the air out of the C4's range. Which will take quite some time, and Sai can fly up there to stop him from getting to high.

She was firing her wing paper at him. But anyway, Sasuke's fireballs are stronger than Jiraiya's being that they could destroy a section of Orochimaru's hideout so big that team 7 noticed it.

What's CC? And there's no "mode" in the name of the form Naruto took against Haku and Neji.

Who is summoning in the air? And Kiba/Choji could solo the entire boss summon team with Choji turning gigantic and stepping on them and Kiba turning into the Double Headed Wolf and tunneling through every single boss summon. Course there's Naruto and his multiple toad summons if it fails, even though it won't.

[XenothXIII]

The Akatuski would win for sure! =)

[Uchiha Sora]

What's CC? And there's no "mode" in the name of the form Naruto took against Haku and Neji.there is for the one against Haku(KN1), just not the one against neji

[Frost ninja]

270/8. Look here. Chiyo states that Even without her help she was able to read Sasori's finger patterns, helping her dodge his attacks. Few pages afterward, she barely dodges more Iron Sand.


She barely dodges more iron sand blocks. Not world order.

Lee opened the first gate instantaneously against Kimimaru. What's to say he can't do that for all the other gates?

The fact that once he hits gate 3 he has to stand there and channel it. He opened gate 2 instantly as well.

No, that's his Initial Kyuubi form. Which is different from chakra mode Naruto. Until the OP specifies what he's taking about, this argument might as well go on forever.

Lets put it aside until then.

Sai's ink can block those explosions with the two gigantic ink warriors.

But then he isn't attacking, meaning C4.

C4 as stated takes loads of prep. Not only that, Deidara needs to fly up into the air out of the C4's range. Which will take quite some time, and Sai can fly up there to stop him from getting to high.

Not with a centipede staring him down, and also not without previous knowledge. With the boss summons whipping around I'd be suprised if he even noticed until it was too late.

She was firing her wing paper at him. But anyway, Sasuke's fireballs are stronger than Jiraiya's being that they could destroy a section of Orochimaru's hideout so big that team 7 noticed it.

Irrelevant, fire has still shown no effect on Konan's paper. Assuming its a stronger fireball, it still stands that fire isn't effective against the paper.

What's CC? And there's no "mode" in the name of the form Naruto took against Haku and Neji.

Chakra cloak.

Who is summoning in the air? And Kiba/Choji could solo the entire boss summon team with Choji turning gigantic and stepping on them and Kiba turning into the Double Headed Wolf and tunneling through every single boss summon. Course there's Naruto and his multiple toad summons if it fails, even though it won't.

Choji isn't stepping on Gedo Mazo. Or the bull summon. Or the dog summon. Or the centipede summon.

Double headed wolf couldn't go through a rashomon, I dont think its going to be plowing through the rhino or bull summon. Toad summons took on 3 things, but now you have dragons from Dei, Gedo mazo, and so on.

[Uchiha Sora]

Doesn't Naruto like....solo?

[Frost ninja]

Its questionable what form he is in, we are waiting for the OP to specify if its RM or tailed cloak.

[MatKnapers]

Ok ok i think weve come to the conclusion that akatsuki stomps. So if i were to restrict Tobi using his tailed beasts AND i was to add gaara, kankuro and temari to Konoha 11, would it then be fair?

[Frost ninja]

"we" are still debating on it. Don't be so hasty.

Just because most believe one side doesn't make for a finished case. Look up "12 angry men".

I want to hear how this progresses.

Also, when you sais "kyuubi chakra cloak" did you mean the one he fought neji/haku with or his most powerful form?

[SageKakashi]

I believe Akatsuki has them out classed as a whole however some of Konoha 11 Stand out.

Naruto defeats pain and Sasuke defeats Itachi but is exaughsted.
Shikamarudefeats Hidan.
Neji and Choji defeat Kakuzu.
Sai and Deidara would be interesting.
Sakura and Ino lose to Konan but Konan is tired.
Lee and Kiba go for Sasori, lee in 5th gate + is to fast and kicks Sasori in the air which is ended by fang over fang.

Tobi, not sure how he'll play in this

Kisame owns Hinata so mayby Naruto ends Pain and heads towards Kisame? Very hard to say but we'll see something like this in the war.

[megabbaut]

She barely dodges more iron sand blocks. Not world order.
The pages after clearly show World Order, and Sakura dodging it.

The fact that once he hits gate 3 he has to stand there and channel it. He opened gate 2 instantly as well.
Gates 2 is still enough to blitz Konan or Sasori. Everyone else buys him prep for more gates, then he proceeds to blitz everyone in the Akatsuki.

But then he isn't attacking, meaning C4.
No, because Deidara still needs to fly out of range. And Sai is still there to stop him while the ink warriors are blocking his explosions.

Not with a centipede staring him down, and also not without previous knowledge. With the boss summons whipping around I'd be suprised if he even noticed until it was too late.
Centipetes along with other boss summons are busy dealing with Kiba, Akamaru, and Choji. And Sasuke is in this too so yeah, there's previous knowledge.

Irrelevant, fire has still shown no effect on Konan's paper. Assuming its a stronger fireball, it still stands that fire isn't effective against the paper.
Jiraiya's fire not being effective on Konan's paper does not mean that all fire is not effective on Konan's paper. Especially Amaterasu, which continues burning until Konan's paper is no more.

Choji isn't stepping on Gedo Mazo. Or the bull summon. Or the dog summon. Or the centipede summon.
And why is that? Current Choji can go butterfly mode without the pills, so what exactly is stopping him from stepping on Gedo Mazo? Or any other summon for that matter?

Double headed wolf couldn't go through a rashomon, I dont think its going to be plowing through the rhino or bull summon. Toad summons took on 3 things, but now you have dragons from Dei, Gedo mazo, and so on.
Rashomon is much more durable than a rhino summon or a bull summon. Even so, it put quite a dent in that rashomon. Dragons from Deidara are taken care of by Sai.

[MatKnapers]

"we" are still debating on it. Don't be so hasty.

Just because most believe one side doesn't make for a finished case. Look up "12 angry men".

I want to hear how this progresses.

Also, when you sais "kyuubi chakra cloak" did you mean the one he fought neji/haku with or his most powerful form?
Sorry, and by kyuubi chakra cloak i mean his most powerful form.The form that he is using to defeat the tailed beats. His nine tailed chakra mode.

[Frost ninja]

Naruto blitzes then, its a done deal.

Good debate up until now though.

[MatKnapers]

Naruto blitzes then, its a done deal.

Good debate up until now though.

Im not sure.Currently in The manga Naruto is fighting Tobi in a even better mode than the nine tails chakra mode, yet he is struggling.So how could he possibly defeat all the tailed beasts and the Akatsuki?

[MinatoXNaruto]

I believe Akatsuki has them out classed as a whole however some of Konoha 11 Stand out.

Naruto defeats pain and Sasuke defeats Itachi but is exaughsted.
Shikamarudefeats Hidan.
Neji and Choji defeat Kakuzu.
Sai and Deidara would be interesting.
Sakura and Ino lose to Konan but Konan is tired.
Lee and Kiba go for Sasori, lee in 5th gate + is to fast and kicks Sasori in the air which is ended by fang over fang.

Tobi, not sure how he'll play in this

Kisame owns Hinata so mayby Naruto ends Pain and heads towards Kisame? Very hard to say but we'll see something like this in the war.
Hidan's not coming back, he's done. Sai already beat Deidara.

[Frost ninja]

Barring Tobi, Naruto outright blitzes everyone else. Even Itachi has shown a bit of low-end this most recent chapter.

Now then, Gedo mazo and whatnot might be able to be handled by massed boss summons, giant wolf, and the supersize.

[MinatoXNaruto]

Naruto blitzes then, its a done deal.

Good debate up until now though.
He's not blitzing Tobi

[Frost ninja]

Read the above post, I specifically say "barring tobi", meaning "in exception to tobi"

[Kioroshi.]

Doesn't Naruto like....solo?



I see someone is overestimating naruto here.




Naruto has knowledge of both. Either him or Gated Lee get past them all and stop them.

Plus, Konoha 11 can use strategy too. Shikamaru could Shadow Possess everyone while Choji steps on all of them. Or Choji goes big and Kiba uses Double Headed Wolf and steps on all of them again


Naruto has knowledge that pain did it but he wasn't there when pain did it so he doesn't know when pain will do it.

Can Naruto or gaited lee jump that much?hmm I think no.

Well Pain prepares Ultimate shinra tensei on one side and Tobi prepares Gedo mazo on other.They have a choice which one to stop and Also they won't get pass other akatsuki so easily.

So shikamaru uses shadow possesion technique and everyone just watches it and don't avoid or anything?and akatsuki gets caught by that?
-_-



So Kiba and Choji go big and they kill akatsuki?you forgot Itachi's susanoo and pains summoning and summoning of other akatsuki and kakuzu's devastating element combinations....

Also Chibaku tensei anyone?

Akatsuki stomps

[Uchiha Sora]

I see someone is overestimating naruto here.
Naruto at the moment is a bottomless pit of chakra. He goes RM, makes clones, then they all blitz and or throw FRS.

Naruto counters CT with TBB or Frs spam.

[megabbaut]

Naruto has knowledge that pain did it but he wasn't there when pain did it so he doesn't know when pain will do it.

Can Naruto or gaited lee jump that much?hmm I think no.

Well Pain prepares Ultimate shinra tensei on one side and Tobi prepares Gedo mazo on other.They have a choice which one to stop and Also they won't get pass other akatsuki so easily.

So shikamaru uses shadow possesion technique and everyone just watches it and don't avoid or anything?and akatsuki gets caught by that?
-_-



So Kiba and Choji go big and they kill akatsuki?you forgot Itachi's susanoo and pains summoning and summoning of other akatsuki and kakuzu's devastating element combinations....

Also Chibaku tensei anyone?

Akatsuki stomps
What are you talking about? While Naruto was fighting Pain he clearly saw him use Chibabu Tensei, and he even remembers when he used it when he along with Itachi and Killer Bee were fighting Edo Tensei'd Nagato. And CT is still a suicide and draw result anyway.

Why do they need to jump? When does anyone have time to go into the air?

Naruto stops Tobi, and Gated Lee stops Deva. They simply split up. Also, the other Akatsuki have terrible reaction feats and they don't even come close to proving that they can react to them, let alone stop them.

Just like how everyone sits and watches while C4, Gedo Mazo, "ultimate Shinra Tensei" and CT are prepped right? -_- And most of the Konoha 11 especially Kiba have smoke bombs as standard equipment, which can blind the Akatsuki leaving an opening for Shadow Possession.

Itachi's Susanoo is small as hell compared to Choji's enormous size. He just steps on it and crushes it like it's nothing. Summonings are drilled by Kiba and Akamaru's Double Headed Wolf. Kakuzu's element combinations were dodged by Choji, Ino, Shikamaru, and Kakashi. Nothing's really stopping the Konoha 11 from dodging that as well.

CT is suicide and results in a tie.

They don't even come close to stomping. The other side has a plentiful chance of winning.

[JLI2infinity]

K11 win but for one reason and one reason only...Naruto is OP right now. When I first saw this thread I immediately thought, Akatsuki stomp but then I saw that you included Kyuubi Mode Naruto. I'm sad to say that in any team fight right now Naruto is OP, even though he isn't the strongest character in the series yet and some Akatsuki members might be able to defeat him here's why and it's something I see people forget all the time. Something called Kage Bunshin no Jutsu.

This technique used to seem fair...it had plenty of risks: it reduced the users strength and chakra immensely, it accumulated fatigue, and the clones were far weaker than the original, but you have to understand that as Naruto becomes stronger the strength of his clones increase raising his power exponentially. As we saw from his fights with Edo Tensei, Naruto can now create KAGE level clones. Although he can't make nearly as much as he normally can Naruto decides this fight by creating 12 clones (I'm assuming this is his max by the panel where he used Kage Bunshin in RM Mode) and assigning each one to a member of the K11 while keeping two for himself.

Then Shikamaru comes up with a plan, if I were him it'd be something to this effect...
-Sakura and Ino are the medical ninja they stay toward the back of the fray and heal the wounded they are protected by two clones...one in Sage Mode to sense enemy chakra and use precog. for danger and one in RM Mode to attack quickly.

-Lee and Chouji have the most combat power it'd be best for them to take out the offensive types of the Akatsuki and the ones with the most troublesome abilities like Asura Path, Preta Path, Human Path, Kisame, and Kakuzu. Lee in his 5 Gates mode can handle the three paths the problem would be Kisame and Kakuzu...if one of the two clones that came with them changed into Sage Mode it would help to nerf Samehada a bit and the battle against Kisame would take place...Chouji in his butterfly mode with RM Naruto's help would be able to take on Kakuzu and win. This would be a hard fought battle but the K11 would come out on top.

-Sasori is the most intelligent of the Akatsuki barring Itachi his fight would be the most challenging using Shino who's bugs are useful against puppets, Ten Ten who is a long range fighter, and 2 Naruto clones would be the best bet for defeating him. A Rasenshuriken or two with a few hundred explosive kunai from Ten Ten could take out the 100 puppets and the poisonous gas...Shino could use his bugs on Sasori's chakra strings and the Third Kazekage puppet and then the last Naruto clone could take out the main body. K11 handle this one again hopefully no one gets poisoned though.

-Sasuke, Sai, and 2 Naruto Clones would be the best match up for Itachi and Deidara...Sai and Sasuke can use birds to get the Naruto clones up in the sky. Sasuke would be able to figure out Deidara's nano bombs and Sai's techniques are useful because his animals can serve as shields for explosions as well as ways to bind Deidara (like the snakes) this can all be used to help Naruto. Meanwhile Sasuke and Naruto have a hard battle with Itachi at hand, I don't know what Izanami does yet but it looks like that one could go either way.

-Hidan and Zetsu would lose to Neji and a Naruto Clone quite easily. Neji gets within range and hits Hidan with a combo, even though Hidan can't die he loses his ability to use chakra which means he can't use any techniques, he basically becomes useless, and we've seen Neji and Naruto pwn Zetsu in the manga.

-The only leftovers to deal with now are Tobi, Deva Path, Naraka Path, Animal Path and Konan. This will definitely be the hardest battle of them all. The original Naruto will have five clones at his side, two for himself and three he brings from the only Konoha members left to help him Hinata, Kiba, and Shikamaru. There is no way that this team can win here, their best bet is to stall for time until the survivors of the other fights come to the rescue...that will be where Shikamaru's plan comes together....

When the fight starts the biggest problem will be Naraka Path bringing any corpses he can find and Animal Path creating hell with summons. First the Naruto clones will have to summon the giant frogs to the battlefield. Shikamaru will be the most important person in this battle...if he can hold any of the paths still for a second Naruto, Hinata, and Kiba can sneak up and kill them...in a perfect world he would capture Deva Path but in reality he would most likely catch Animal Path given the giant shadows she makes with her summons, Shikamaru would easily be able to corner her for a surprise attack.

Meanwhile, Sakura and Ino heal the other members of the K11 who lived through their battles and as more help arrives the chances of pulling of a win increase especially if Sasuke survives. They all join the fray and it means victory.

*I'm assuming Gedo Mazo isn't here because it would be unfair just like Naruto can't use his Kyuubi transformation.

[Kioroshi.]

K11 win but for one reason and one reason only...Naruto is OP right now. When I first saw this thread I immediately thought, Akatsuki stomp but then I saw that you included Kyuubi Mode Naruto. I'm sad to say that in any team fight right now Naruto is OP, even though he isn't the strongest character in the series yet and some Akatsuki members might be able to defeat him here's why and it's something I see people forget all the time. Something called Kage Bunshin no Jutsu.

This technique used to seem fair...it had plenty of risks: it reduced the users strength and chakra immensely, it accumulated fatigue, and the clones were far weaker than the original, but you have to understand that as Naruto becomes stronger the strength of his clones increase raising his power exponentially. As we saw from his fights with Edo Tensei, Naruto can now create KAGE level clones. Although he can't make nearly as much as he normally can Naruto decides this fight by creating 12 clones (I'm assuming this is his max by the panel where he used Kage Bunshin in RM Mode) and assigning each one to a member of the K11 while keeping two for himself.

Then Shikamaru comes up with a plan, if I were him it'd be something to this effect...
-Sakura and Ino are the medical ninja they stay toward the back of the fray and heal the wounded they are protected by two clones...one in Sage Mode to sense enemy chakra and use precog. for danger and one in RM Mode to attack quickly.

-Lee and Chouji have the most combat power it'd be best for them to take out the offensive types of the Akatsuki and the ones with the most troublesome abilities like Asura Path, Preta Path, Human Path, Kisame, and Kakuzu. Lee in his 5 Gates mode can handle the three paths the problem would be Kisame and Kakuzu...if one of the two clones that came with them changed into Sage Mode it would help to nerf Samehada a bit and the battle against Kisame would take place...Chouji in his butterfly mode with RM Naruto's help would be able to take on Kakuzu and win. This would be a hard fought battle but the K11 would come out on top.

-Sasori is the most intelligent of the Akatsuki barring Itachi his fight would be the most challenging using Shino who's bugs are useful against puppets, Ten Ten who is a long range fighter, and 2 Naruto clones would be the best bet for defeating him. A Rasenshuriken or two with a few hundred explosive kunai from Ten Ten could take out the 100 puppets and the poisonous gas...Shino could use his bugs on Sasori's chakra strings and the Third Kazekage puppet and then the last Naruto clone could take out the main body. K11 handle this one again hopefully no one gets poisoned though.

-Sasuke, Sai, and 2 Naruto Clones would be the best match up for Itachi and Deidara...Sai and Sasuke can use birds to get the Naruto clones up in the sky. Sasuke would be able to figure out Deidara's nano bombs and Sai's techniques are useful because his animals can serve as shields for explosions as well as ways to bind Deidara (like the snakes) this can all be used to help Naruto. Meanwhile Sasuke and Naruto have a hard battle with Itachi at hand, I don't know what Izanami does yet but it looks like that one could go either way.

-Hidan and Zetsu would lose to Neji and a Naruto Clone quite easily. Neji gets within range and hits Hidan with a combo, even though Hidan can't die he loses his ability to use chakra which means he can't use any techniques, he basically becomes useless, and we've seen Neji and Naruto pwn Zetsu in the manga.

-The only leftovers to deal with now are Tobi, Deva Path, Naraka Path, Animal Path and Konan. This will definitely be the hardest battle of them all. The original Naruto will have five clones at his side, two for himself and three he brings from the only Konoha members left to help him Hinata, Kiba, and Shikamaru. There is no way that this team can win here, their best bet is to stall for time until the survivors of the other fights come to the rescue...that will be where Shikamaru's plan comes together....

When the fight starts the biggest problem will be Naraka Path bringing any corpses he can find and Animal Path creating hell with summons. First the Naruto clones will have to summon the giant frogs to the battlefield. Shikamaru will be the most important person in this battle...if he can hold any of the paths still for a second Naruto, Hinata, and Kiba can sneak up and kill them...in a perfect world he would capture Deva Path but in reality he would most likely catch Animal Path given the giant shadows she makes with her summons, Shikamaru would easily be able to corner her for a surprise attack.

Meanwhile, Sakura and Ino heal the other members of the K11 who lived through their battles and as more help arrives the chances of pulling of a win increase especially if Sasuke survives. They all join the fray and it means victory.

*I'm assuming Gedo Mazo isn't here because it would be unfair just like Naruto can't use his Kyuubi transformation.


Well I don't see Akatsuki not realizing that there are 2 medical ninja in the back healing.They would most likely go for them first.

Whats CT?is that what I call ultimate shinra tensei?cuz I don't know the real name.Nad megga it isn't a tie if Deva uses it cuz he would wtill be there and that results in victory.

Also Megga you say naruto can handle Tobi?In the manga he used all his trump cards+help of kakashi,bee and guy and he still can't defeat him.And tobi didn't even sweat yet.

I see everyone forgets Gedo Rinne rebirth.Even if somehow everyone in akatsuki dies (SOMEHOW)

K11 will be heavily weakened and tired and Nagato can just use Gedo Rine Rebirth and Akasuki wins.

[Uchiha Sora]

The only members of the Konoha 11 that matter are Naruto,Sasuke,Choji,and maybe Kiba.

Naruto can already take out almost every akatsuki member by himself. Now all he has to do is make a crap ton of clones. Only problem we have is Tobi.

@JInfinity, Naruto is friends with Kurama now. Only reason he couldn't make too many before is cuz he would exhaust his chakra and lose to Kurama. But now Kurama can give Naruto all the chakra he wants to the point where its seems unlimited. Naruto can spam all of his techniques away and they can't do anything to stop him because he's too fast, and they're too slow to escape his FRS or TBB

[megabbaut]

Well I don't see Akatsuki not realizing that there are 2 medical ninja in the back healing.They would most likely go for them first.

Whats CT?is that what I call ultimate shinra tensei?cuz I don't know the real name.Nad megga it isn't a tie if Deva uses it cuz he would wtill be there and that results in victory.

Also Megga you say naruto can handle Tobi?In the manga he used all his trump cards+help of kakashi,bee and guy and he still can't defeat him.And tobi didn't even sweat yet.

I see everyone forgets Gedo Rinne rebirth.Even if somehow everyone in akatsuki dies (SOMEHOW)

K11 will be heavily weakened and tired and Nagato can just use Gedo Rine Rebirth and Akasuki wins.
Hard to do that when there are others guarding them.

That's Chibaku Tensei. CT=Chibaku Tensei, also ultimate Shinra Tensei is not an insta kill and it would also affect his team as well. Not to mention that Naruto can get out of it's range. And Pain is vulnerable afterwards soo there he's out of the team.

Because he had all of his tailed beasts, and here he doesn't. And with Naruto's new form, Tobi won't get the time he needs to do the stuff he did that time here since Naruto blitzes him.

Uh dude that would also heal and revive the Konoha 11 and the only result would be Pain not having to be worried about since they die after Nagato uses that technique.

[Kioroshi.]

Hard to do that when there are others guarding them.

That's Chibaku Tensei. CT=Chibaku Tensei, also ultimate Shinra Tensei is not an insta kill and it would also affect his team as well. Not to mention that Naruto can get out of it's range. And Pain is vulnerable afterwards soo there he's out of the team.

Because he had all of his tailed beasts, and here he doesn't. And with Naruto's new form, Tobi won't get the time he needs to do the stuff he did that time here since Naruto blitzes him.

Uh dude that would also heal and revive the Konoha 11 and the only result would be Pain not having to be worried about since they die after Nagato uses that technique.


He probably does not die when uses that technique he died cuz he exausted all his chakra if his chakra was full or something he would revive them and not die.And It can revive anyone he wants to and it doesn't have to revive anyone he doesn't want.Its his jutsu after all.

[Nixu Hyuga]

Sai can solo Deidara and Sasori.
Naruto and Sasuke can take care of Itachi and Pain.
Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino can take out Kakuzu and Hidan.
Lee and Kiba blitzes everyone else.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

phew.... O God that was good! You are a very funny person!

Yeah, the only problems with that are Six Paths of Pain, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo, Tobi's space-time/ intangibility, Iron Sand, Hundred Puppets, C4, C3, C2 Dragon, Zombie Brothers, Spore technique, Paper Person of God, Kisame/ Shark Skin fusion, etc., but whatever.

[megabbaut]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

phew.... O God that was good! You are a very funny person!

Yeah, the only problems with that are Six Paths of Pain, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo, Tobi's space-time/ intangibility, Iron Sand, Hundred Puppets, C4, C3, C2 Dragon, Zombie Brothers, Spore technique, Paper Person of God, Kisame/ Shark Skin fusion, etc., but whatever.
Naruto could destroy the Six Paths of Pain like he did last time, only easier with his Nine Tails Chakra Mode. In fact he could solo the entire Akatsuki with that form and blitz everyone. Amaterasu is weak as hell, and could be blocked by Neji's Kaiten. Tsukuyomi is useless due to knowledge. Susanoo is broken by a lot of different methods. Tobi's intangibility only lasts 5 minutes and won't save him from a blitz. Plus needs to turn tangible in order to attack. Iron Sand is interrupted by Sakura. Hundred Puppets were taken out easily last time, same here. C4 and C3 would be tied since Deidara needs to get out of range and it would just get him to. But he won't be able to, since Sai won't let him. C2 Dragon is cut off by Chidori Sharp Spear. The Zombie Brothers are not in this. Zetsu has to plant spores before doing that, which would take...forever. Paper Person of God takes loads of prep. Kisame gets blitzed before SharkSkin Fusion, along with everyone else.

[Uchiha Sora]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

phew.... O God that was good! You are a very funny person!

Yeah, the only problems with that are Six Paths of Pain, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo, Tobi's space-time/ intangibility, Iron Sand, Hundred Puppets, C4, C3, C2 Dragon, Zombie Brothers, Spore technique, Paper Person of God, Kisame/ Shark Skin fusion, etc., but whatever.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

phew.... oh man that was good... You're funny too!


See the only problem with your theory is that Naruto knocks all their heads off with FRS and clone blitzes before they know what the hell happened.

:lol:

[JLI2infinity]

Well I don't see Akatsuki not realizing that there are 2 medical ninja in the back healing.They would most likely go for them first.

Whats CT?is that what I call ultimate shinra tensei?cuz I don't know the real name.Nad megga it isn't a tie if Deva uses it cuz he would wtill be there and that results in victory.

Also Megga you say naruto can handle Tobi?In the manga he used all his trump cards+help of kakashi,bee and guy and he still can't defeat him.And tobi didn't even sweat yet.

I see everyone forgets Gedo Rinne rebirth.Even if somehow everyone in akatsuki dies (SOMEHOW)

K11 will be heavily weakened and tired and Nagato can just use Gedo Rine Rebirth and Akasuki wins.

That is why I gave them 2 Naruto clones to guard them. Unless you think that Akatsuki are going to easily get through 2 RM Mode Clones and the entire K11 front line it's not going to be a simple task.

Rinne Rebirth exhausts Nagato completely do you really want to take him out of the fight here, he's probably the most destructive Akatsuki member.

@Uchiha_Sora
Naruto isn't allowed to transform so no TBB sorry. As for the spamming as many clones as he wants, I suppose that if Kurama's working with him he could but I don't think making the clones weaker by splitting there power up any further would be a good idea it looks like by splitting the chakra into less clones he made them more durable. Also using RM Mode exhausts Naruto even with the added chakra he took from the Kyuubi so he can't exactly spam his techniques. He can just use them on a larger scale than before.

I see a lot of hardcore fans on both sides here I think some people are being a little too biased. For those defending the K11 don't get the wrong idea, if they didn't have Naruto clones they'd all be ;);););););). Kage Bunshin is the only thing making this a fair fight. The Akatsuki outclass all of them even though they are getting stronger.

Like I said I think the best K11 shinobi need about 10-20 years more of training before they can keep up, for example Lee would need to be about Gai's level before he can take on any Akatsuki one on one, Chouji needs more practice in Butterfly Mode, Sakura could probably develop her abilities to be more Tsunade's level and gain some genjutsu to become S class, Shino could get more bugs and learn Aburame secrets, Neji could continue to improve but would have to become stronger than Hiashi and gain mid-long range techniques, Shikamaru could work on his stamina and strengthening his shadow techniques, Kiba would need a lot more destructive power and ninjutsu. Sai is already skilled but he's sort of a mystery I can't really gauge his power but I'm sure he can improve if he really wants to. All the other members of the K11 seem like A class at their best in my opinion not everyone can be Akatsuki level in power it takes the most elite ninja to reach Kage strength.

[Uchiha Sora]

The OP said Naruto can use the form he was fighting Tobi and the bijuu with. So that means TBB.

Naruto destroyed Madaras entire forest by spamming rasengans with kurama on his side. That was spamming at its best. There is nothing that shows RM exhausts naruto. Even when he wasn't friends with kurama it didn't exhaust him. He still kept fighting in sage mode and in base form.

Again, naruto makes clones and they all roflstomp. Now that he's friends with kurama he can access his virtually limitless chakra like Bee does.

Only problem is tobi

[Kioroshi.]

That is why I gave them 2 Naruto clones to guard them. Unless you think that Akatsuki are going to easily get through 2 RM Mode Clones and the entire K11 front line it's not going to be a simple task.

Rinne Rebirth exhausts Nagato completely do you really want to take him out of the fight here, he's probably the most destructive Akatsuki member.

@Uchiha_Sora
Naruto isn't allowed to transform so no TBB sorry. As for the spamming as many clones as he wants, I suppose that if Kurama's working with him he could but I don't think making the clones weaker by splitting there power up any further would be a good idea it looks like by splitting the chakra into less clones he made them more durable. Also using RM Mode exhausts Naruto even with the added chakra he took from the Kyuubi so he can't exactly spam his techniques. He can just use them on a larger scale than before.

I see a lot of hardcore fans on both sides here I think some people are being a little too biased. For those defending the K11 don't get the wrong idea, if they didn't have Naruto clones they'd all be ;);););););). Kage Bunshin is the only thing making this a fair fight. The Akatsuki outclass all of them even though they are getting stronger.

Like I said I think the best K11 shinobi need about 10-20 years more of training before they can keep up, for example Lee would need to be about Gai's level before he can take on any Akatsuki one on one, Chouji needs more practice in Butterfly Mode, Sakura could probably develop her abilities to be more Tsunade's level and gain some genjutsu to become S class, Shino could get more bugs and learn Aburame secrets, Neji could continue to improve but would have to become stronger than Hiashi and gain mid-long range techniques, Shikamaru could work on his stamina and strengthening his shadow techniques, Kiba would need a lot more destructive power and ninjutsu. Sai is already skilled but he's sort of a mystery I can't really gauge his power but I'm sure he can improve if he really wants to. All the other members of the K11 seem like A class at their best in my opinion not everyone can be Akatsuki level in power it takes the most elite ninja to reach Kage strength.


Well I have to agree Nartuos clones win this But it would not be an easy task! :D

But as you said they simply win cuz of narutos clones.

The problem is Tobi.

[Godaime Kazekage]

It's hard to judge this fight, because there are so many combatants involved, which means tons of possible techniques and strategies that could be used. I will say to the people that say Naruto and clones beat the Akatsuki by himself-don't forget about Tobi!! As someone else already stated it took all Naruto had to defeat the tailed beasts and this was with the help of Gai, Kakashi, and Bee+Gyuuki-Tobi hasn't even begun fighting yet. As a whole the Akatsuki is a much stronger group than the K11. K11's victory hinges totally on Naruto and we can't say that he is stronger than Tobi yet. Judging from the recent manga chapters, it looks as though the K11's second best ninja, Sasuke, is weaker than Itachi and Nagato.

[Kioroshi.]

Maybe I will have to change my mind for third time.