Tobi/Madara/Elder Ancestor Theory...

[JashinSama]

Credit goes to kalmeast and J3st3r.

Tobi = Madara

Yamato = Hashirama

Tobi stated he is only a shell of his former self.

I have a feeling that Tobi isn't: Tobi = Madara.

I think Tobi = Sharingan's Will. He's nobody. Maybe Madara DID try to do what he did with Hashirama, and create a vessel... He created Hashirama... which is what Tobi showed Kabuto... Body and Lifeforce.

Tobi is the Will of Madara. The Will of the Sharingan. When Madara tried to create a vessel for his DNA, instead of creating a conscienceless body and lifeforce, he created a body with the true will of the Elder Ancestor.

So in a sense, Tobi would have been created from Madara with the MIND of the Uchiha ancestor, from that point, Madara shared his plan and his past so that Tobi would then be able to go forth and conquer.

"Nagato was supposed to use the Rinnetensei on ME."

Nagato was supposed to use that jutsu to revive the Elder Ancestor in Tobi's case.

Whereas he was supposed to revive Madara in Madara's case.

Neither happened.

Well... There are some more things to go with this:

The other thing is that Madara couldn't have possibly known Nagato.

I feel as though the reason Tobi's sharingan is never off is because he is the Sharingan's Will... the Elder Ancestor's conscience. I think his eyes were ALWAYS on, too.

Nagato = Kakashi's age... maybe a little more...

Madara = 120 at this point.

Could it be possible that Madara knew the Elder Ancestor? Could it be possible that the Elder Ancestor is Madara's father and that's why Tobi got upset when everybody said the 'other madara'?

[tobi ftw]

nagato is quite a few years older than kakashi. nagato was older than minato and minato was kakashi's mentor

[JashinSama]

Either way, Madara died during the first world war or shortly after, Nagato was a child during the second.

[Jakropha]

Maybe Edo Madara is missing something?
Cause right now, his personality is a joke, he hasn't taken anything seriously.

Tobi? He's hardcore all the way, he can be free and goofy, but now he makes it seem as if theres not an ounce of smile in him!
Madara must be missing his intelligence, Tobi must have it :lol:

[JashinSama]

Maybe Edo Madara is missing something?
Cause right now, his personality is a joke, he hasn't taken anything seriously.

Tobi? He's hardcore all the way, he can be free and goofy, but now he makes it seem as if theres not an ounce of smile in him!
Madara must be missing his intelligence, Tobi must have it :lol:

Exactly, I feel as though Tobi is the true Madara, but Edo-Madara is just roaming power.
Tobi is the brains, Madara is the brawn.

Tobi = Madara's Will = The Uchiha Ancestor's Will

In my theory:

Madara must have experimented on himself and made himself more powerful using Senju DNA, then he figured, well if I'm going to do this, I might as well make a being using Uchiha DNA the same way.

So there is one Madara, he combined himself with Senju DNA, then he created a clone of himself as Yamato was a clone of Hashirama.

So Tobi is a Hashirama/Madara hybrid clone. XD

This clone was Tobi. It would explain why his body is a white goo (hashirama cells) and why he has an active sharingan constantly (uchiha cells) and the fact that he's a clone means that he has Madara's mind. But it also explains why he doesn't have EMS or even MS. And kind of why he's immortal.

Yamato was made from ONLY Hashirama's cells and had his cells implanted after birth.

Tobi was made from Madara and Hashirama's cells before birth (as he was cloned, there isn't really birth)

[SharinganSage]

I think has been the most popular assumption, only no one has really pieced it together. The only part we don't really know about is the time span between Madara's and Hashirama's battle, and Madara's death. Regarding that info, it's anyone's guess. But we need to know what Madara did to get the Rinnegan.

[JashinSama]

I think has been the most popular assumption, only no one has really pieced it together. The only part we don't really know about is the time span between Madara's and Hashirama's battle, and Madara's death. Regarding that info, it's anyone's guess. But we need to know what Madara did to get the Rinnegan.

Besides that point, I did just piece together quite a bit of information.

[kalmeast]

lol...congratulation...JashinSama, u asked to join me and J3st3r for a theory, I send u what we'd been discussing, u got ur own ideas off of it and before i know it, u put up a theory about it... that's pretty uncool u know...:???: huh...anyways good theory?

[JashinSama]

^Actually, I didn't piece together any of the info you sent me, you got me thinking about Tobi again, so I thought about the Elder Ancestor. :3

No harm done. If you want credit I'll give you guys credit but I'm not sure what the credit would be for.

Plus it's been like 3 days and you still haven't responded to the PM and I've seen you make posts since then...

[Namikaze_Naruto]

Like the theory. Only question is on your last point

Could it be possible that Madara knew the Elder Ancestor? Could it be possible that the Elder Ancestor is Madara's father and that's why Tobi got upset when everybody said the 'other madara'?

It was stated that several generations passed between the Sage's two sons fighting and Hashirama and Madara being the leaders of their clans. As well as this, Rikudo is believed to be a myth. If you were right, this would imply that either the Elder Ancester lived to be several hundreds of years old (doubtful considering his younger brother received the Sage's life force) or Rikudo died pretty shortly before the current timeline and somehow people came to regard him as a myth following this brief period. Both a doubtful.

[JashinSama]

Like the theory. Only question is on your last point



It was stated that several generations passed between the Sage's two sons fighting and Hashirama and Madara being the leaders of their clans. As well as this, Rikudo is believed to be a myth. If you were right, this would imply that either the Elder Ancester lived to be several hundreds of years old (doubtful considering his younger brother received the Sage's life force) or Rikudo died pretty shortly before the current timeline and somehow people came to regard him as a myth following this brief period. Both a doubtful.

Then omit that bit since it's been stated that they were several generations apart.