Rinnegan & Uzumaki Clan connection; Tell Me What You Think

[DShika]

So basically ever since Tobi said that he'd given Nagato the Rinnegan I've been wondering about a connection between The Uzumaki clan and the Rinnegan. It might sound weird and a little like I'm trying to even out the field against the Uchihua (eye wise) but think about the clan who was supposedly wiped out because they had the greatest sealing jutsus and lived the longest (and chakra). But I mean what if there was another reason, seeing as they are descendants of the So6 and blood relatives of the Senju. I think Tobi was told by Madara to find a good, healthy and young Uzumaki child to give the Rinnegan to, in order to put 'Tsuki No Me' into effect, seeing that Tobi was biding his time for so long in The Mist, for what reason? I think mainly he was waiting for Nagato to grow up, let alone certain other details (Sasuke grow up, Itachi die, collection of bijuus..). Now it was stated by edo Madara that he had acheived the Rinnegan after his fight with Hashirama, near his death (ch. 560). Now to me with the mentioning of the Uchihua stone tablets, I think that there is some info about a certain clan (Uzumaki) to be feared because, just like the Uchihua they can develop a Rinnegan. That's why I think it was the Uchihua who exterminated 'Most' of them.

Key Points:
Edo Madara - awakened his Rinnegan before death but needed Senju DNA (older, son and younger son DNA to acheive SO6 power)

Nagato - Chosen for Uzumaki blood, special chakra that they hold , to fulfill Rinne Rebirth technique to re-awaken Madara

Uzumaki Clan - As it was stated were targeted during the ear of war because of sealing jutsus (a cover story). Probably only the the highest ranking Uchihua knew the truth to the Uzumaki

Also a side note how much do you think Orochimaru had to do with the combination of Senju DNA and Madara's body back when they were both alive during the same time. Since he edo Madara had an idea of who ressurected him, I'm sure Orochimaru is a lot older than we've been led to believe...

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Uzumaki are distant relatives to Senju.

[Fuuin]

This theory has some probability to it; dojutsu, as we've seen, can be extracted, implanted into other people (Kakashi, Danzo, Ao and Nagato), and customized to meld with non-Uchiha physiology. Deidara even developed anti-Sharingan technology, so its not uncommon in this story for dojutsu to be manipulated no differently than Hashirama's DNA.

I've heard interesting theories elsewhere on the internet about Tobi being of the Uzumaki clan. An alliance between Madara and a similar figure in the Uzumaki clan's context is quite possible. But honestly, Tobi is more a personality than any particular ethnicity, he's somehow been mutated to a point where age and injury are of virtually no consequence to him.

I'm not certain that his chakra chains are based on the Rinnegan at all. Otherwise, Nagato would've used them as opposed to Chibaku Tensei when trying to wrangle Kurama from Naruto during the Invasion of Pain arc. The only time we've ever seen chakra chains used was by Kushina, a pure Uzumaki, so as with all Tobi theories, there is too much scatter. That said, however, the chain's could also just be an unseen component to the Gedo Mazo statue.

Another thing to note, if you look at the chapter where Edo Madara is first summoned and told by Kabuto that "I'm not so sure the fake Madara will act according to plan," the Edo Madara remains quiet. And prior to that statement, Kabuto clearly says "I am on YOUR side." And he even asks Edo Madara if he'd like to pursue the real Naruto yet, to which obviously Madara says nah let's whoop these fools for a little bit.

The doubt that Edo Madara displays about Tobi's abilities is clear in the chapter where the above quotes come from (to lazy to find the exact chapter number). So its possible Tobi has established connections with every single significant clan's DNA just to make himself even more mysterious and capable.

Ultimately, what matters more than who Tobi is, is what he is. What is he truly capable of? Does he have a hidden Mangekyo Sharingan? (this is virtually a MUST considering the magnitude of jutsu's out in this war). Is it Izanami like others here have indicated? Or does he have an even more flexible repertoire of Space-Time Jutsu attached to it?

His identity is only really significant in the event that Naruto plans to try and Talk no Jutsu him. Beyond that, who really cares what his "story" and "motivation" is unless it reveals the entirety of the Sage of the Six Path's history (regardless of whether Tobi is Fugaku, Kagami, Obito, Izuna, the Elder Son, a mysterious Uzumaki, or whatever other identity theory is out there). Before Naruto can truly ascend to whatever final level of power he needs to beat Tobi, we have to know more details about the Sage's life and his work. Tobi will hopefully reveal those.

[Maruko]

I don't think about that anymore,it just makes me go crazy.
As the story goes,i will find out.

[SilentBlade]

Uzumaki are distant relatives to Senju.

So are the Uchiha and apparently Hyuga...so argument?

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Uchiha and Senju are close, very close relatives.

Rikudo Sennin
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Senju Ancestor Uchiha Ancestor

They are like BROTHERS.
Uzumaki might be related only if a Senju man took an Uzumaki woman for his wife and then made children. Slowly they became relatives.

I doubt Hyuga's are related to these 3 clans though.

[SilentBlade]

It never said that the Uzumaki and Senju are like brothers at all. All the manga said was that the Uzumaki and Senju were distant relatives..The Hyuga are also distant relatives because as we have seen in the manga the Uchiha find their origins within the Hyuga, thus if the Uchiha are related the Hyuga must be as well.

[TatsumiTora]

...... I am tired of thinking about stuff like this, that's because I usually find faults in my own theories. Hence, I'll just go with the flow. The truth wil be revealed sooner or later, :)

[skibum]

No one knows how distant the relation between the Senju and Uzumaki clans are. It could be the Sage himself was an Uzumaki, maybe he had a daughter or another son that isn't mentioned which formed the Uzumaki clan. I'd like to think that one of these scenarios are true, but they could just have branched off the Senju over the centuries since the Sage's existence. Kishi will obviously reveal this at the last moment, if at all.

[Namikaze_Naruto]

Don't forget this is all based off of hearsay from Tobi. He could not have read the Uchiha stone tablet in full when he told this (didn't have rinnegan), and thus far the only one we know of who could have would be Madara because he had rinnegan while alive and would have known how to get into Konoha undetected. Nagato couldn't have done this, and there is nothing that we have seen that leads us to believe he knew of the tablet (that I can recall).

For all we know, the Uzumaki and the Hyuuga were actually the 2 sons. I'm sure we will find out about the Sage's true background relatively soon, so we will be able to find out for certain (for all we know both sons had 2 sons, the oldest's sons were the Hyuuga and the Uchiha, the youngest's were the Uzumaki and Senju)

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

No one knows how distant the relation between the Senju and Uzumaki clans are. It could be the Sage himself was an Uzumaki, maybe he had a daughter or another son that isn't mentioned which formed the Uzumaki clan. I'd like to think that one of these scenarios are true, but they could just have branched off the Senju over the centuries since the Sage's existence. Kishi will obviously reveal this at the last moment, if at all.

Yes I have had a theory in the corner of my mind about the Sage having 1-2 other Sons.

Eldest Son : Uzumaki Ancestor
Middle Son : Uchiha Ancestor
Youngest Son : Senju Ancestor

Uc. Ancestor - Sage's Eyes
S. Ancestor - Sage's Body
Uz. Ancestor - Sage's Mind, his knowlegde.

I think that Sage chose Senju Ancestor as his successor, Uchiha Ancestor kills him, then Uz. Ancestor and Uc. Ancestor fight.

Madara and Sasuke - same ideals (destroying Konoha), both Uchiha.
Hashirama and Naruto - same ideals (defending Konoha and Shinobi World), both having the Will of Fire, different clans, but still related.

[DShika]

The Uzumaki and Senju I believe both are descendants of the younger son. Or with the whole concept of the so6 having other children for descendants like the Hyuga and Uzumaki, but that's real left field to me if it's true. To me I think Tobi knows about everything because he has the eyes and the way he freed the kyuubi from kushina everything was well planned and if you noticed he got into konoha undetected (no barrier) I think they should have detected his space time justsu (I give the barrier corps credit). Edo Madara seems to talk like Tobi is his true partner(Assistant) and Tobi is just a servant to Madara from the way he himself put it "I am no one" (Ch. 564).
Now going through the whole Hyuuga issue, I think if they are descendants of the So6 then they come from the elder son just like the Uchihua, since their power lies in their eyes as well. Tobi is Madara`s Kabuto, his assistant and that`s it. Unless he (Tobi) turns on the real Madara then he will have a good reason (if he can at all). At the end of the day the Hyuuga, Uchihua, Uzumaki and Senju are all related in some way but for specific reason (eyes, chakra power etc...)

[Hiruta Uzumaki]

Don't forget this is all based off of hearsay from Tobi. He could not have read the Uchiha stone tablet in full when he told this (didn't have rinnegan), and thus far the only one we know of who could have would be Madara because he had rinnegan while alive and would have known how to get into Konoha undetected. Nagato couldn't have done this, and there is nothing that we have seen that leads us to believe he knew of the tablet (that I can recall).

For all we know, the Uzumaki and the Hyuuga were actually the 2 sons. I'm sure we will find out about the Sage's true background relatively soon, so we will be able to find out for certain (for all we know both sons had 2 sons, the oldest's sons were the Hyuuga and the Uchiha, the youngest's were the Uzumaki and Senju)

I really like the concept mentioned at the end here.

[TatsumiTora]

Don't forget this is all based off of hearsay from Tobi. He could not have read the Uchiha stone tablet in full when he told this (didn't have rinnegan), and thus far the only one we know of who could have would be Madara because he had rinnegan while alive and would have known how to get into Konoha undetected. Nagato couldn't have done this, and there is nothing that we have seen that leads us to believe he knew of the tablet (that I can recall).

For all we know, the Uzumaki and the Hyuuga were actually the 2 sons. I'm sure we will find out about the Sage's true background relatively soon, so we will be able to find out for certain (for all we know both sons had 2 sons, the oldest's sons were the Hyuuga and the Uchiha, the youngest's were the Uzumaki and Senju)

I like this theory :)

[TatsumiTora]

I was thinking of something like this; the Sage's sons were Uchiha ancestors and Senju ancestors... The Senju then marries an Uzumaki which made the two clans 'distant relatives'. Probably, this intermarriage was approved of and most of the Senju married with Uzumaki.... If this was true then..... GASP! Naruto and Sasuke are distant cousins! XD

[SilentBlade]

You have to remember how distant of a time we are talking between Senju/Uchiha/Uzumaki and the SoSP himself. We are talking a ton of time forward, many many generations. SoSP represents Buddha, and we are talking about people who can sort of kind of show a relationship.

Also, something to think about. While we know that the Senju are wood users and that while not all Senju have the ability, they still have the similar chakra nature (kind of like how all Uchiha have fire as their primary chakra nature). Arguably then, Naruto has wind nature to his chakra, a bit different than water and earth (which appear to be the primary of the Senju). We have seen naruto use Wind style a lot in his fights, and yang release seams to be part of his transformation into RS mode...so arguably being an Uzumaki is not so easy to draw conclusions.

[runescape]

then hinata make love with naruto and child will be sage of six path :P