A Link of Family, The Moon Eye Plan's Downfall

[Squall]

I was reading back when Itachi put Kakashi under the Tsukyomi in part 1. He said that Tsukyomi can only be broken by a sharingan user that share the same blood. This is supported as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukyomi in their battle.

Tobi's Eye of the Moon Plan will allow him to cast Infinite Tsukyomi. Now every now and then, we have seen that Tobi is frustrated / anxious whenever ET Madara is mentioned.

Is he anxious / frustrated because he knows that ET Madara could cancel his Infinite Tsukyomi if/when successful? This could mean that Madara is from Tobi's blood...... brothers mayhaps....Izuna.....

This is just something to throw in there to make people think. Why does Tobi act the way he does with Madara.

This Tsukyomi explanation by Itachi in Part 1 could be something to notice....

EDIT: Typos

[MichaelJalapeno]

I doubt it, Part l has no more relevance to Part ll.

Remember when Orochimaru thought when he got Sasuke's Body he would be invincible? Now with the Eternal Mangekyo he look's like an Ant.

[zerosameri]

I was about to go on you for saying "he anxious / frustrated because he knows that ET Madara could cancel his Infinite Tsukyomi if/when successful?" then I realized you said "is" :lol:

Any who, I think he is just pissed because he KNOWS that Kabuto could use Madara to screw him over at any time he wishes to or something close to that.

@Person above me: "Part l has no more relevance to Part ll" WUT you are kidding right? :|

[MichaelJalapeno]

I was about to go on you for saying "he anxious / frustrated because he knows that ET Madara could cancel his Infinite Tsukyomi if/when successful?" then I realized you said "is" :lol:

Any who, I think he is just pissed because he KNOWS that Kabuto could use Madara to screw him over at any time he wishes to or something close to that.

@Person above me: "Part l has no more relevance to Part ll" WUT you are kidding right? :|

By THAT i mean...


Itachi was evil = Kishi could never have thought of him being good from the start.

Mangekyo was the strongest thing back then = No downside's YET.

Barely show's Ino anymore = SO TRUE

Sasuke was weak = TRUE


Look at how many thing's have changed, NOTHING Is the same from Part l.

[BoxHead]

By THAT i mean...


Itachi was evil = Kishi could never have thought of him being good from the start.

Mangekyo was the strongest thing back then = No downside's YET.

Barely show's Ino anymore = SO TRUE

Sasuke was weak = TRUE


Look at how many thing's have changed, NOTHING Is the same from Part l.
Except the inclusion of the same characters.

[Squall]

I was about to go on you for saying "he anxious / frustrated because he knows that ET Madara could cancel his Infinite Tsukyomi if/when successful?" then I realized you said "is" :lol:


Hehe, yup, that cheeky 'is' is there where you least expect it.

See what I did there ........ okay, yeah lame... =D

[kalmeast]

good observation... i also think tobi's frustration stems from the fact that the eye of the moon plan was originally Madara's and Tobi has made some slight changes to them... so if madara is here! and tobi isn't doin what they agreed on, guess what?

[K3nsh!n]

I was reading back when Itachi put Kakashi under the Tsukyomi in part 1. He said that Tsukyomi can only be broken by a sharingan user that share the same blood. This is supported as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukyomi in their battle.

Tobi's Eye of the Moon Plan will allow him to cast Infinite Tsukyomi. Now every now and then, we have seen that Tobi is frustrated / anxious whenever ET Madara is mentioned.

Is he anxious / frustrated because he knows that ET Madara could cancel his Infinite Tsukyomi if/when successful? This could mean that Madara is from Tobi's blood...... brothers mayhaps....Izuna.....

This is just something to throw in there to make people think. Why does Tobi act the way he does with Madara.

This Tsukyomi explanation by Itachi in Part 1 could be something to notice....

EDIT: Typos

Hmmm...
I am not entirely sure that Itachi literally meant "share the same blood" as in being related, like in family!
He could merely be referring to the fact that Kakashi was not an Uchiha and that only a true Uchiha could break through his Tsukuyomi. Since Uchiha are also known for their strong chakra it could be simply be that Kakashi lacked the strength of chakra required to overpower Itachi's Tsukuyomi?

[megabbaut]

Sasuke never broke through Itachi's Tsukuyomi. He was in his genjutsu the whole time.

[TatsumiTora]

I thought Itachi and Sasuke's battle was mostly using their eyes? As observed by Zetsu that they were just standing facing each other.

[Maruko]

I thought Itachi and Sasuke's battle was mostly using their eyes? As observed by Zetsu that they were just standing facing each other.

Yeah,so badass!
But,Itachi said that Tsukuyomi could be broken by a person with same blood as the user and he also said that a normal Sharingan could resist Tsukuyomi only for awhile so i think that Itachi canceled it himself,because Sasuke didn't have MS then and his Sharingan wasn't strong enough to brake the OP Tsukuyomi!

[JashinSama]

I'm just gonna say it, why can't Tobi be Madara's son? or Grandson? Or nephew?

[TatsumiTora]

Yeah,so badass!
But,Itachi said that Tsukuyomi could be broken by a person with same blood as the user and he also said that a normal Sharingan could resist Tsukuyomi only for awhile so i think that Itachi canceled it himself,because Sasuke didn't have MS then and his Sharingan wasn't strong enough to brake the OP Tsukuyomi!

So you're saying that Itachi let himself get killed by Sasuke? Or something else?... I'm sorry, so confused.

[Jakropha]

Wow, if thats true, then that means Sasuke has a pretty weak mind to have been beaten by Itachi so easily...

Kakashi withstood it for 3 days in his mind
Sasuke barely lasted minutes?

Sad Sasuke... only further proof to show that you are a simple minded 'depend on the power' crazed lunatic

[Kakuzu]

I, again, could see Tobi being Izuna for several reasons, but why would ET Madara want to cancel the Infinite Mangekyou? He's playing on Tobi's side right now. If Kabuto was going to sabotage, that would be the appropriate time to do so.

Madara seems fully aware of this plan, so I can see this going either way.
Any who, I think he is just pissed because he KNOWS that Kabuto could use Madara to screw him over at any time he wishes to or something close to that.

I agree with this.^

Kabuto blackmailed him into creating an alliance. Tobi didn't really trust Kabuto, but the moment he summoned Madara, he knew what was happening.

Kabuto must know who Tobi is, or at least have a hunch. If you add in Kabuto's knowledge of Madara, you have a pretty successful and persuasive arguement.

[Naruske Uzuchi]

So you're saying that Itachi let himself get killed by Sasuke? Or something else?... I'm sorry, so confused.

lol wasn't it obvious? Of course he let himself get killed many seem to not realize this. Also add in the fact he had a sickness, but even with it he still cold kick Sasuke ass.:cool: how badass Itachi is

[Maruko]

So you're saying that Itachi let himself get killed by Sasuke? Or something else?... I'm sorry, so confused.

Yes,Itachi wanted to die,he planned that for a long time,it was the fight to awaken Sasuke's Mangekyou. That's why Itachi used all his powers,he cornered him,made him afraid,made him desperate!
He used all his Mengekyou powers,but he didn't intend to kill Sasuke with them,he wanted to grant him Eternal Mangekyou,to make him the hero of Konoha,the one who avenged the clan and restored the pride of Uchiha,but he failed at his plan.

Wow, if thats true, then that means Sasuke has a pretty weak mind to have been beaten by Itachi so easily...

Kakashi withstood it for 3 days in his mind
Sasuke barely lasted minutes?

Sad Sasuke... only further proof to show that you are a simple minded 'depend on the power' crazed lunatic

Er,The jutsu makes anyone suffer for 72 hours,but it seems like second to the user. After the jutsu is done,you s

[paradigm1977]

I'm just gonna say it, why can't Tobi be Madara's son? or Grandson? Or nephew?


Yup, or Madara could be his sensei. Or vice versa actually.

[TatsumiTora]

lol wasn't it obvious? Of course he let himself get killed many seem to not realize this. Also add in the fact he had a sickness, but even with it he still cold kick Sasuke ass.:cool: how badass Itachi is

I'm not oblivious to that fact, I just needed confirmation, I was seriously confused with what Itachi was doing, :)

Yes,Itachi wanted to die,he planned that for a long time,it was the fight to awaken Sasuke's Mangekyou. That's why Itachi used all his powers,he cornered him,made him afraid,made him desperate!
He used all his Mengekyou powers,but he didn't intend to kill Sasuke with them,he wanted to grant him Eternal Mangekyou,to make him the hero of Konoha,the one who avenged the clan and restored the pride of Uchiha,but he failed at his plan.

Cause Sasuke decided to destroy Konoha and follow Tobi, hmmmm.

[JashinSama]

Yup, or Madara could be his sensei. Or vice versa actually.

It actually makes a lot of sense...