Master Roshi vs Roshi the jinchurikki

[Eagle125]

Master Roshi can only use the kamehameha wave if Roshi jinch goes chakra cloak.

[Nightmare Luffy]

Roshi's beast was inspired by SSJ4 Goku so he wins by default. :p

[TheBlackChidori]

3Rxm4AhmpPM

Master Roshi easily kills the entire narutoverse. He even uses Genjutsu and blows up moons.

[cnorwood]

it depends if you want to count roshis moon busting feat, if you do he eaisly wastes them, if you dont then he beats the jincurikki unless they turn into biju

[Eagle125]

please reread the OP for the restriction in place.

[TheBlackChidori]

What's your point? That doesn't change anything. Goku was tanking and dodging bullets at Master Roshi's power level.

[Vivi]

What's your point? That doesn't change anything. Goku was tanking and dodging bullets at Master Roshi's power level.

Chapter 1 Goku was shot by Bulma only to an effect as if one would throw a Stone really hard at anothers forehead.

Meanwhile I doubt I have to explain how that pales in comparison to Muten.

[Ultimate combatant]

You do realize tha Master Roshi was teacher of Goku?!! :D

That very same teacher of Goku could easily beat Narutoverse and One Piece verse. The only danger even remotely would be Sage of six paths with his creation of things Jutsu and perhaps Gol D Roger or Monkey D Dragon with some another hax power!!! :D

[cnorwood]

You do realize tha Master Roshi was teacher of Goku?!! :D

That very same teacher of Goku could easily beat Narutoverse and One Piece verse. The only danger even remotely would be Sage of six paths with his creation of things Jutsu and perhaps Gol D Roger or Monkey D Dragon with some another hax power!!! :D
LOL what does that have to do whith anything? Roshi neither clears naruto or one piece

anyway i didnt notice this was only against 1 jinchuriki, yeah roshi wastes him before he can react

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

What's your point? That doesn't change anything. Goku was tanking and dodging bullets at Master Roshi's power level.

pretty much this..if your legitimately bullet timing machine gun fire..your superior to any character in the NU..minus like four characters in terms of speed

blitz,blitz,blitz

[TheBlackChidori]

One could also argue that Jinchurikki Roshi can tank the bullets as easily as Naruto KN4 tanked Kusanagi Blade.

No.

No one can argue that.

[cnorwood]

fight starts. muten roshi zips behind him and snaps his neck then walks off.

[Nightmare Luffy]

3Rxm4AhmpPM

Master Roshi easily kills the entire narutoverse. He even uses Genjutsu and blows up moons.
I really dont see him destroying hundred thousands of super human ninja especially top tiers like the Kyuubi, Naruto, the other bijuu, Tobi & Nagato(with their out of the ordinary techniques), the Edo Tensei and some things i'm probably not mentioning.

The moon was an outlier and its a wonder nothing like that was ever shown again, I can understand why you think he can do it but looking from a logical point of view taking on at least 100 haxxed opponents at the same time is pretty silly even from someone who isn't nearly as relevant as you make him out to be.

Especially when you say he easily destroys the entire narutoverse. I dont want to make this off topic but just mentioning I really doubt Roshis ability to easily destroy the entire Narutoverse. this isnt the thread for that though but I thought i'd post anyway.

[Eagle125]

could Master Roshi survive the kind of lava heat?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Especially when you say he easily destroys the entire narutoverse. I dont want to make this off topic but just mentioning I really doubt Roshis ability to easily destroy the entire Narutoverse. this isnt the thread for that though but I thought i'd post anyway.

if TBC is willing to officially recognize that feat then roshi wields enough power to glass a chunk of our planets surface..that's for example the type of fire power Imperial warships from Star wars have

personally I think the moon feat is insane and isn't valid for using as evidence I call Spiderman vs Firelord exemption on it...

but if he's an admin and if he's gonna rule it okay..he can and if that's the case then Roshi can wipe out all life in the NU in a single attack...

trouble is reconciling that firepower with his over all showings is downright impossible

[Nightmare Luffy]

if TBC is willing to officially recognize that feat then roshi wields enough power to glass a chunk of our planets surface..that's for example the type of fire power Imperial warships from Star wars have

personally I think the moon feat is insane and isn't valid for using as evidence I call Spiderman vs Firelord exemption on it...

but if he's an admin and if he's gonna rule it okay..he can and if that's the case then Roshi can wipe out all life in the NU in a single attack...

trouble is reconciling that firepower with his over all showings is downright impossible
That's what i'm saying, it's an outlier compared to the rest of roshi. I really doubt his ability to beat all of the Narutoverse especially considering things like the edo tensei. Even easily if he wins at all. The video he posted wasnt all that impressive & I dont see anything from that video that proves he easily destroys the Narutoverse. I mean taking Roshi sure but even a few characters from Naruto from even just that video seems a bit ridiculous.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

He can kill the vast majority of the characters in one on one matches but not solo

mind you what cnorwood says happens here though he blitzes Roshi and snaps his neck..

[Eagle125]

could Master Roshi survive the kind of lava heat?
no one responded to this.

[cnorwood]

no one responded to this.
does it really matter if he can? naruto roshi is going to die before he notices the match started

[Vivi]

no one responded to this.

Cause it doesn't really matter due to Muten having a major speed and power advantage.

[TheBlackChidori]

I really dont see him destroying hundred thousands of super human ninja especially top tiers like the Kyuubi, Naruto, the other bijuu, Tobi & Nagato(with their out of the ordinary techniques), the Edo Tensei and some things i'm probably not mentioning.

The moon was an outlier and its a wonder nothing like that was ever shown again, I can understand why you think he can do it but looking from a logical point of view taking on at least 100 haxxed opponents at the same time is pretty silly even from someone who isn't nearly as relevant as you make him out to be.

Especially when you say he easily destroys the entire narutoverse. I dont want to make this off topic but just mentioning I really doubt Roshis ability to easily destroy the entire Narutoverse. this isnt the thread for that though but I thought i'd post anyway.

I don't see how it's not a viable feat. It's canon. It was in both the anime and manga. It's not absurd to think that they didn't just collect the Dragonballs again at some point during the time skip and wish the moon back. The missing moon was even brought up again in the next tournament when Manwolf appeared and wanted Jackie Chun's head. It's completely viable.

Master Roshi had a power level of 139 if I remember right, and Goku was fighting on par with him during the tournament. When Goku went Oozaru, he had a 10x power increase. Meaning Goku's power level during that transformation was well over 1000, along the power level of Raditz. Yet Roshi still had the speed to power up and blow up the moon before Goku was able to hit him(He even dodged a couple swipes).

On top of feats like that, he is a skilled telepathy user, reading Nam's mind after he was defeated ny Goku. On top of that, he has a lifespan that trumps everyone in the narutoverse, living over 400 years.

Look, we cannot compare Naruto and Dragonball. It's two completely different verses with far different power scaling standards. Roshi was definitely not a planet buster, but nobody in the Narutoverse could tank a full-power Kamehameha. Being as he jumped around 300 feet in the air during the start of his match with Goku, and kicked Goku far enough into the sky that nobody could even see where he went, it's not impossible to say that he could just jump in the area and Kamehameha the area where the Shinobi are before they even manage to follow his movement and see a giant blast headed there way.


It's a stretch to say he could take out the entire verse at once, but one on one, nobody holds a chance in hell.

[ILIKEPIE]

Master Roshi also has this move which goku couldn't escape from expect by turning into an Oozaru

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110212152752/dragonball/images/thumb/c/ce/Bankoku_Bikkuri_Sh%C5%8D.jpg/250px-Bankoku_Bikkuri_Sh%C5%8D.jpg (http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/images/c/ce/Bankoku_Bikkuri_Sh%C5%8D.jpg)

[cnorwood]

To be fair though, pre 22nd budokai dragonball was more like dr slump, with outrageous feats that normally differ than the usual powers of characters, anyway roshis moon feat is usually seen as invalid because piccolo daimao could only bust 2 cities with all his power

[Zeith]

Master Roshi wins

[TheBlackChidori]

To be fair though, pre 22nd budokai dragonball was more like dr slump, with outrageous feats that normally differ than the usual powers of characters, anyway roshis moon feat is usually seen as invalid because piccolo daimao could only bust 2 cities with all his power

Except Piccolo didn't have a Kamehameha.

What move defeated him by the way? Kamehameha. It's always been a staple of their power. Goku and Gohan launched them all over the place throughout the series of Z, and it usually never got them anywhere. Yet Gohan's Super Kamehameha managed to destroy Cell.

I just don't see how a feat written in by the author, can be called invalid. Who is to say Piccolo D couldn't destroy the moon if he chose to? We all know how ridiculous the power scaling of the series is. Super Buu was able to nearly rip the Universe apart during his temper tantrum against Vegito, yet by that knowledge, mere punches from those two should have shattered the planet into pieces since even Saiyan Saga vegeta was a casual planet buster.

Bottom line. Don't make Dragonball Versus Naruto topics.

[Eagle125]

But I restricted the Kamehameha in the OP.

[TheBlackChidori]

No. You restricted it until Roshi goes Jinch cloak. And you're definitely not going to try and argue that base Roshi could even touch Master Roshi.

[cnorwood]

Except Piccolo didn't have a Kamehameha.in part 1 the kamehameha was explained to be one of the weaker type of ki blasts

What move defeated him by the way? Kamehameha. no it was gokus ozaru powered fist that killed him It's always been a staple of their power.refering to when roshi calling the kamehameha dog piss in comparison to the dondonpa Goku and Gohan launched them all over the place throughout the series of Z,goku? maybe. gohan only shot 3 and only 2 of them actually meant something

I just don't see how a feat written in by the author, can be called invalid. Who is to say Piccolo D couldn't destroy the moon if he chose to?because he was extremely tired after busting 2 cities. the moon is alot bigger than 2 cities. and of course the other reason is roshi felt like he needed to go into the same form to bust mount frypan. if busting the moon was logical a regular kamehameha in base shouldve busted the mountain We all know how ridiculous the power scaling of the series is. Super Buu was able to nearly rip the Universe apart during his temper tantrum against Vegito,anime filler, the anime (not written by original author akira toriyama) is generally alot stronger and alot weaker than the original manga. since even Saiyan Saga vegeta was a casual planet buster. more anime filler

Bottom line. Don't make Dragonball Versus Naruto topics.pretty much, unless its pre red ribbon army dragonball vs current naruto

[TheBlackChidori]

Oh you're right. It was the monkey fist.

I'll go away now. Although universe rip wasn't filler. Just saying. Vegeta planet busting was though. yes.

I'm currently in the process of rewatching the anime, so my knowledge on filler to manga has been ruffled some.

[cnorwood]

Oh you're right. It was the monkey fist.

I'll go away now. Although universe rip wasn't filler. Just saying. Vegeta planet busting was though. yes.

I'm currently in the process of rewatching the anime, so my knowledge on filler to manga has been ruffled some.
the universe ripping was filler, it wasnt in the manga. the vegetto vs boo fight was very short, all what happened in the manga was vegetto went ssj right before the fight started, he slapped boo around a bit, got turned into chocolate, kept smacking around boo. got turned back to normal, then got absorbed.

[321zigzag3]

This thread reminds me of something peculiar why didn't Nappa just replicate the 2 finger feat again.

Plot?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Oh you're right. It was the monkey fist.

I'll go away now. Although universe rip wasn't filler. Just saying. Vegeta planet busting was though. yes.

I'm currently in the process of rewatching the anime, so my knowledge on filler to manga has been ruffled some.

the anime makes them hundreds of times more powerful then in canon

anime kid Buu for example would rolfstomp manga mystic gohan brutally and he would do it with a single punch considering the side effect of his punching Goku in the face was literally creating new land masses and mountain ranges

where canon DBZ no one ever surpasses mid tier strength ever and could never hope to do that

This thread reminds me of something peculiar why didn't Nappa just replicate the 2 finger feat again.

Plot?

no that'd be CIS

Saiyan stupidity and arrogance prevented them easily winning

[321zigzag3]

Anime DBZ does make it seem inconsistent at times. I mean the Buu's dimensional to universal ripping yet he can't display the power close to that one.

[Nightmare Luffy]

I don't see how it's not a viable feat. It's canon. It was in both the anime and manga. It's not absurd to think that they didn't just collect the Dragonballs again at some point during the time skip and wish the moon back. The missing moon was even brought up again in the next tournament when Manwolf appeared and wanted Jackie Chun's head. It's completely viable. I was not saying it never happened. I was talking about other than that single time it was needed for the plot, we haven't seen attacks near as powerful and thus we cant use that as a legit feat from him. I'm sure you dont use feats like, well a good example would be what immortal watchdog gave, you dont say spiderman's ability to defeat Firelord, herald of Galactus is valid because under normal circumstances it obviously isnt possible. Unless there is more proof considering you said Roshi is well capable of moon busting so if you can give another feat to back it up besides the one that was inconsistent.

Master Roshi had a power level of 139 if I remember right, and Goku was fighting on par with him during the tournament. When Goku went Oozaru, he had a 10x power increase. Meaning Goku's power level during that transformation was well over 1000, along the power level of Raditz. Yet Roshi still had the speed to power up and blow up the moon before Goku was able to hit him(He even dodged a couple swipes).
Nothing implied that Goku was trying to get a fast blitz in or anything and as youve confirmed, if he has a power level of 130+ then its not like hes capable of beating that Goku under normal circumstances either. I'm not sure if I can trust your accurate statistic of 10 times power either. So you think Raditz is capable of moon busting too I guess.
On top of feats like that, he is a skilled telepathy user, reading Nam's mind after he was defeated ny Goku. On top of that, he has a lifespan that trumps everyone in the narutoverse, living over 400 years.
Don't see how this is really relevant especially the 400 years part.
Look, we cannot compare Naruto and Dragonball. It's two completely different verses with far different power scaling standards. Roshi was definitely not a planet buster, but nobody in the Narutoverse could tank a full-power Kamehameha. Being as he jumped around 300 feet in the air during the start of his match with Goku, and kicked Goku far enough into the sky that nobody could even see where he went, it's not impossible to say that he could just jump in the area and Kamehameha the area where the Shinobi are before they even manage to follow his movement and see a giant blast headed there way. I was heavily heavily heavily under the impression that this is what the multiverse section is for comparing 2 different verses or more against each other. Maybe youre right 1 on 1, but he has no answer to a majority of techniques that completely get around it if you didnt notice durability isnt all that important of a factor. But again youre getting off topic this isnt Narutoverse vs Roshi its simply Roshi vs Roshi, and Dragon Ball Roshi wins this one I have never disagreed there.

It's a stretch to say he could take out the entire verse at once, but one on one, nobody holds a chance in hell.
But you were just claiming he was a moon buster. If he's as strong as you say why is it suddenly a stretch now when before it was easily destroys the narutoverse.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

TBC people dismiss feats because even writers make stupid mistakes in their own universe

Jeph Leob had superman become an omniversal jesus..am I supposed to use that feat in battle? it's clearly the epitome of author wank

[TheBlackChidori]

I was not saying it never happened. I was talking about other than that single time it was needed for the plot, we haven't seen attacks near as powerful and thus we cant use that as a legit feat from him. I'm sure you dont use feats like, well a good example would be what immortal watchdog gave, you dont say spiderman's ability to defeat Firelord, herald of Galactus is valid because under normal circumstances it obviously isnt possible. Unless there is more proof considering you said Roshi is well capable of moon busting so if you can give another feat to back it up besides the one that was inconsistent.

I'm not seeing what you're arguing. These are both fictional verses that the Author created. There is no bit of realism involved whatsoever. So when a writer actually draws this ACTUAL feat into his series, then it is completely viable. Explain how it isn't? He moon busted, plain and simple.


Nothing implied that Goku was trying to get a fast blitz in or anything and as youve confirmed, if he has a power level of 130+ then its not like hes capable of beating that Goku under normal circumstances either. I'm not sure if I can trust your accurate statistic of 10 times power either. So you think Raditz is capable of moon busting too I guess.

Yes. Raditz is more than capable of moon busting. :lol:

Considering Akira drew it in for yet a second time, Piccolo destroyed the moon. This was a Piccolo who was much weaker than Raditz at this point. So not once do characters of near power levels destroy the moon, but twice, in canon, and yet you still claim it's not a viable feat?

A moon isn't a planet. It's much smaller, much less dense, it's not the astounding feat you seem to think it is, at least compared to some of the other things we've seen throughout the series.

And Vegeta and the Daizenshuu both said their power increases tenfold during transformation. If you don't know what the Daizenshuu is, it's basically an encyclopedia Akira and others wrote containing power levels, biographies, and more.

Here can't really do the manga scan thing here nor do I wanna look through 100 pages, but scroll down to special abilities. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Ape

Don't see how this is really relevant especially the 400 years part.I was heavily heavily heavily under the impression that this is what the multiverse section is for comparing 2 different verses or more against each other.

Well for one, it proves that Roshi is far from your average human. He has 4x the lifespan of a human... One could even use the term superhuman.

But you were just claiming he was a moon buster. If he's as strong as you say why is it suddenly a stretch now when before it was easily destroys the narutoverse.

Mainly because the idea of arguing Master Roshi against 10,000 different jutsu doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. But the fact is, if they were all grouped, none of them would survive a Kamehameha. They would be blown into pieces.

[Nightmare Luffy]

I'm not seeing what you're arguing. These are both fictional verses that the Author created. There is no bit of realism involved whatsoever. So when a writer actually draws this ACTUAL feat into his series, then it is completely viable. Explain how it isn't? He moon busted, plain and simple.
Roshi destroyed the moon in a specific set of circumstances he had to do it for the plot. He only showed this power once and every other feat he has ever displayed has been much much less impressive. See the feat of Spiderman's capability of defeating someone who's faster than light and easily a planet buster, again I dont see you using this as a legit feat for Spiderman.
Yes. Raditz is more than capable of moon busting. :lol: You drew this from powerscaling right. I dont know if he's ever showed anything impressive enough for him to be a moon buster, & i'm not asking for pages but if there's something you remember specifically notable that he did thats moon bust level other than saying "Well roshi can do it and he has a higher power level" then thanks.
Considering Akira drew it in for yet a second time, Piccolo destroyed the moon. This was a Piccolo who was much weaker than Raditz at this point. So not once do characters of near power levels destroy the moon, but twice, in canon, and yet you still claim it's not a viable feat? I'll repeat this is a crazy outlier in difference to what that piccolo has ever showed after that just like Roshi. Nothing other than the fact it was required he destroyed the moon for plot ever suggested he could moon bust other than that one single time.

Here is a little fact about the length of the moon from earth.
http://www.freemars.org/jeff/planets/Luna/Luna.htm
Because Piccolo and Roshi acn shoot a blast and it reaches the moon, yeah it makes sense.

A moon isn't a planet. It's much smaller, much less dense, it's not the astounding feat you seem to think it is, at least compared to some of the other things we've seen throughout the series.
Considering Naruto hasnt shown enough to seriously moon bust and only the literal creator and god of shinobi was able to do it tells me that its pretty impressive when fighting the verse. & it wouldnt do much as Tobi is invincible and so are the Edo Tensei. Actually if we go by Einstein or something similar the level needed to make something like water dome kisame would be capable of moon busting
And Vegeta and the Daizenshuu both said their power increases tenfold during transformation. If you don't know what the Daizenshuu is, it's basically an encyclopedia Akira and others wrote containing power levels, biographies, and more.

Here can't really do the manga scan thing here nor do I wanna look through 100 pages, but scroll down to special abilities. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Great_ApeOk thanks Ill take your word i just wanted to make sure you werent pulling it from your ass or exaggerating or something. :p

Well for one, it proves that Roshi is far from your average human. He has 4x the lifespan of a human... One could even use the term superhuman.
Yes thats nice but its not really relevant or important. Life span doesnt judge power or ability to perform well in a fight or anything for that matter. Actually there are species of clam that can live for more than 400 years but it doesnt mean theyre stronger than us or something similar.


Mainly because the idea of arguing Master Roshi against 10,000 different jutsu doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. But the fact is, if they were all grouped, none of them would survive a Kamehameha. They would be blown into pieces.Well I wasnt really talking about that I was just mainly talking about when you said: "roshi easily destroys the narutoverse" & now youre saying its a long shot even if he does.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm not seeing what you're arguing. These are both fictional verses that the Author created. There is no bit of realism involved whatsoever. So when a writer actually draws this ACTUAL feat into his series, then it is completely viable. Explain how it isn't? He moon busted, plain and simple.



nonsense..inconsistent and PIS do not get a free pass because they are canon

you basically just said Spiderman is legitimately able to defeat Fire lord a character who can fight DBZ, YYH, HXH, Op,Naruto and Bleach at the same time and kill them all inside of about twenty five seconds

and you..are defending this feat would be forced to then concede due to Spidermans victory over a herald that he can casually solo Dragon Ballz and the rest of the power six

the authors idiocy and poor writing does not get a free pass in vs debating it never has and never should..it's heresy practically

[ILIKEPIE]

Dragon Ball logic is different than most logic also here is a great example of idiocy

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65393/1220720-batkickhuc2_super.png
???

[Nightmare Luffy]

Oh & while Im here I'll post real quickly again and say, TBC if you want to change the title of the thread to Roshi vs Narutoverse. I'm not the poster of the thread but since Roshi vs Roshi has a clear winner at least Narutoverse is more debatable (not saying you actually agree yourself in case you dont). As I said it doesnt really matter but itd be better than going totally off topic discussing a complete other match.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Dragon Ball logic is different than most logic also here is a great example of idiocy

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65393/1220720-batkickhuc2_super.png
???

lol crossovers are non canon as a general rule and the one canon crossover was so inaccurate Kurt Busiek the writer had to apologize to Thor fans for how badly he got stuff wrong

but that is an excellent example of why using every single showing ever in a characters history is..bad form

you go with consistent showings with a lean towards consistent high end showings..you factor in PIS and CIS as well because that matters in determining what feats are nonsense and what aren't

[Eagle125]

Oh & while Im here I'll post real quickly again and say, TBC if you want to change the title of the thread to Roshi vs Narutoverse. I'm not the poster of the thread but since Roshi vs Roshi has a clear winner at least Narutoverse is more debatable (not saying you actually agree yourself in case you dont). As I said it doesnt really matter but itd be better than going totally off topic discussing a complete other match.

OP denies the request.,

[Nightmare Luffy]

Why? Just curious because roshi doesnt have a chance and I'm sure you know that too. Narutoverse is somewhat debatable however. Not to me exactly(:p) but more debatable than just Roshi vs Roshi and it was what TBC and I were getting off topic about.

[Eagle125]

Why? Just curious because roshi doesnt have a chance and I'm sure you know that too. Narutoverse is somewhat debatable however. Not to me exactly(:p) but more debatable than just Roshi vs Roshi and it was what TBC and I were getting off topic about.

If you want to debate Master Roshi vs NarutoVerse create a thread then. Don't digress from the OP battle.

[TheBlackChidori]

@Luffy, IWC.

I completely agree that Dragonball was full of power wanking. All I'm saying is... It happened. It's not like Naruto doesn't have the same outrageous moments.

Deidara blowing himself up and managed to take out a 10km radius, by that measure, should have been the strongest character of the series. Yet Sasuke managed to defend it by hiding in Manda. Makes no sense. But it happened, and Deidara's attack is still used in debates to this day.

I see how far the moon is. But like... realism doesn't matter, I've already said that. Goku teleports across dimensions and galaxies in a split second, but can't dodge anything from Perfect Cell. Akira wanted to show us that his characters were ridiculously strong. Yes, I completley believe that pretty much every fighter in Z was capable of doing what Roshi and Piccolo did. Is it realistic in the least? Hell no.

Either way, if you don't wanna consider it valid that's fine, and I won't impose a battlegrounds rule that it is. You guys got the majority vote here for this, so I concede.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

@Luffy, IWD*.

I completely agree that Dragonball was full of power wanking. All I'm saying is... It happened. It's not like Naruto doesn't have the same outrageous moments.

all fiction has those outrageous moments Sasuke has entire fights that he had absolutely no business winning and only won due to MASSIVE PIS you'll find we do not use those fights as evidence because they are very much a poor source of evidence

like I said our worlds at war is an entire major DC story arc written by Joseph Leob..no one uses it as evidence because all the feats therein are all huugggeee quantities of author wank


Deidara blowing himself up and managed to take out a 10km radius, by that measure, should have been the strongest character of the series. Yet Sasuke managed to defend it by hiding in Manda. Makes no sense. But it happened, and Deidara's attack is still used in debates to this day.

that would be PIS and I don't nor ever have seen how that fight is valid evidence of anything other than kishimoto has a fetish for eyeball Nazi's

I see how far the moon is. But like... realism doesn't matter, I've already said that. Goku teleports across dimensions and galaxies in a split second, but can't dodge anything from Perfect Cell. Akira wanted to show us that his characters were ridiculously strong. Yes, I completley believe that pretty much every fighter in Z was capable of doing what Roshi and Piccolo did. Is it realistic in the least? Hell no.

Goku never teleported across galaxies in the manga this never happened him doing so in the anime is non canon.

As for Roshi again king picoclo who utterly dwarfed him in power could not blow up a moon...Jr who utterly dwarfed him in power could not blow up a moon

you realize that a post Radditz picoclo who was hundreds of times stronger than him did it..and it seemed to take a bit out of even him?

Either way, if you don't wanna consider it valid that's fine, and I won't impose a battlegrounds rule that it is. You guys got the majority vote here for this, so I concede.

there's gonna be allot of feats in allot of fictions..that you'll find are gonna be challenged.

I keep bringing up the Superman our worlds at war example because comics win the vast majority of their fights here..and it's a good example to take because it proves this attack on evidence isn't biased..it's universally applied to all universes debated

[Nightmare Luffy]

@Luffy, IWC.

I completely agree that Dragonball was full of power wanking. All I'm saying is... It happened. It's not like Naruto doesn't have the same outrageous moments.

Deidara blowing himself up and managed to take out a 10km radius, by that measure, should have been the strongest character of the series. Yet Sasuke managed to defend it by hiding in Manda. Makes no sense. But it happened, and Deidara's attack is still used in debates to this day.

I see how far the moon is. But like... realism doesn't matter, I've already said that. Goku teleports across dimensions and galaxies in a split second, but can't dodge anything from Perfect Cell. Akira wanted to show us that his characters were ridiculously strong. Yes, I completley believe that pretty much every fighter in Z was capable of doing what Roshi and Piccolo did. Is it realistic in the least? Hell no.

Either way, if you don't wanna consider it valid that's fine, and I won't impose a battlegrounds rule that it is. You guys got the majority vote here for this, so I concede.
Yep well Deidara's jutsu actually happened, and was as powerful as he showed. It was his trump card & its not like it was inconsistent with his other attacks like Piccolo using a weak fodder blast to destroy the moon when otherwise he's nowhere near that strong in combat so it shouldnt be used as valid.

I know Cell was much stronger than Goku at the time but thats just power levels like akira can do best, each chapter the characters are insanely stronger than before. Its not really being inconsistent especially cause Cell actually proved himself and his other showings match up that he truly was stronger.

I know reality doesnt matter that much considering it is a fictional manga, but its still an interesting fact :p

See this is what I mean why BG>OBD because its more fun. :D

[TheBlackChidori]

Goku never teleported across galaxies in the manga this never happened him doing so in the anime is non canon.

As for Roshi again king picoclo who utterly dwarfed him in power could not blow up a moon...Jr who utterly dwarfed him in power could not blow up a moon

you realize that a post Radditz picoclo who was hundreds of times stronger than him did it..and it seemed to take a bit out of even him?

Um, Goku teleported Cell from Earth to King Kai's planet. Goku teleported from Earth to the Supreme Kai's planet, welllll across the universe. Goku teleported from Earth to Namek to get Dende to be a guardian. Yes, that all happened.

Why would King Piccolo destroy a moon? How do you know he can't? There was never a purpose for him to do so, or even a moon to do that to. It's like even if these guys are planet busters, doing ;);););) like that would kill them too... so there's no need?

Post Radditz Piccolo 100 times stronger? Dude they checked Master Roshi's power level at the beggining of the series, it was 139. Piccolo was only around 600 w/o weighted clothing against Raditz. Thats 3-4x stronger, not 100. :lol:

Yep well Deidara's jutsu actually happened, and was as powerful as he showed. It was his trump card & its not like it was inconsistent with his other attacks like Piccolo using a weak fodder blast to destroy the moon when otherwise he's nowhere near that strong in combat so it shouldnt be used as valid.

So Deidara's actually happened... and Roshi and Piccolo's never happened. Wut? Deidara showed nothing that even compared to that power before, small blasts that weren't even close to one km, let alone 10, then just pulls it out of his ass. Roshi did the same... he powered up to absolute full, even gained a ton of mass to do, and let loose. 1% Freize was a casual planet buster. A moon is like 1/1000000th the size of a planet....


I still haven't posted on OBD. I wouldn't even have fun with it because douchebags like dudemeister hate me because I don't let him run around cussing people out and wanking his opinion on everyone here. I even trusted the guy to be a mod for a while, and he closed threads because people disagreed with him, infracted needlessly, left insulting downreps to countless members... I took his powers away. He asked for them back after a while, claiming he wouldn't do things like that again, and then turned around and did the same thing.

Then when the BG fiasco happened he came here and tried telling everyone about how power-abusing and blahblah I was. Hypocrite. I guess I'm on the OBD wiki too now, thanks to him. XD

[Nightmare Luffy]

So Deidara's actually happened... and Roshi and Piccolo's never happened. Wut? Deidara showed nothing that even compared to that power before, small blasts that weren't even close to one km, let alone 10, then just pulls it out of his ass. Roshi did the same... he powered up to absolute full, even gained a ton of mass to do, and let loose. 1% Freize was a casual planet buster. A moon is like 1/1000000th the size of a planet.... Thats not the point. Its a serious named attack and was meant to be that powerful nothing ever contradicts it & the fact that its his trump card give it more reason to be legitimate. It depends what moon is what size but earths moon is in the ballpark of earth's size & I'd call it pretty impressive to destroy it. I always figured we took it as earths moon since you know DBZ did take place on earth.

When people like Piccolo use a very generic fodder blast to blow up the whole moon then their strongest attack does nowhere near that much something tells me that it shouldnt be considered valid. Especially considering like I brought up multiple times and IWD did too the Spiderman vs Firelord.


I still haven't posted on OBD. I wouldn't even have fun with it because douchebags like dudemeister hate me because I don't let him run around cussing people out and wanking his opinion on everyone here. I even trusted the guy to be a mod for a while, and he closed threads because people disagreed with him, infracted needlessly, left insulting downreps to countless members... I took his powers away. He asked for them back after a while, claiming he wouldn't do things like that again, and then turned around and did the same thing.Hm well I remember him maybe he joined Viz because of my Narutoverse thread way back when he did join a day after I created it and that was when all the OBD members came due to my thread lol..if I really was the cause of all that would be funny.
Then when the BG fiasco happened he came here and tried telling everyone about how power-abusing and blahblah I was. Hypocrite. I guess I'm on the OBD wiki too now, thanks to him. XDI havent seen it but maybe you do abuse it Ill have to stick around to find out! :p

I wonder what it says. TBC, leaves me in mystery so I must look it up myself. :(

Edit: LOL your name links to ';););)' this profile for the BG is hilarious

I'm sort of surprised I wasnt on there because one thing I do know is at least a few OBD members joined specifically because someone cross-posted my thread there lol.

[Towerworld]

Roshi easily stomps.

[ILIKEPIE]

Roshi easily stomps.
this post is funny

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Um, Goku teleported Cell from Earth to King Kai's planet. Goku teleported from Earth to the Supreme Kai's planet, welllll across the universe. Goku teleported from Earth to Namek to get Dende to be a guardian. Yes, that all happened.[

they are in fact in separate dimensions..and Namek was well within the milky way galaxy

also the DBZ universe is tiny confirmed by word of god and AT drew a diagram of it..it only has five galaxies and four pocket dimensions and it's inside a fish bowl

Why would King Piccolo destroy a moon? How do you know he can't? There was never a purpose for him to do so, or even a moon to do that to. It's like even if these guys are planet busters, doing ;);););) like that would kill them too... so there's no need?

again city busting power..if he could bust the moon he could level thousands of cities

he barely leveled two and was out of stamina

Post Radditz Piccolo 100 times stronger? Dude they checked Master Roshi's power level at the beggining of the series, it was 139. Piccolo was only around 600 w/o weighted clothing against Raditz. Thats 3-4x stronger, not 100. :lol:

screw power levels they suck and aren't good evidence I'm talking about based on consistent feats post Radditz piccolo makes him look like an insect

and he was likely closer to a thousand after that fight


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So Deidara's actually happened... and Roshi and Piccolo's never happened. Wut? Deidara showed nothing that even compared to that power before, small blasts that weren't even close to one km, let alone 10, then just pulls it out of his ass. Roshi did the same... he powered up to absolute full, even gained a ton of mass to do, and let loose.

piccolo did it and no one is disputing that..Roshi doing it should not be used as evidence due to SM vs FL

1% Freize was a casual planet buster. A moon is like 1/1000000th the size of a planet....

never happened in the manga..only stated thus not valid


I still haven't posted on OBD. I wouldn't even have fun with it because douchebags like dudemeister hate me because I don't let him run around cussing people out and wanking his opinion on everyone here. I even trusted the guy to be a mod for a while, and he closed threads because people disagreed with him, infracted needlessly, left insulting downreps to countless members... I took his powers away. He asked for them back after a while, claiming he wouldn't do things like that again, and then turned around and did the same thing.

I'm not going to defend Ono to you because it's a loosing battle but based on my experience as a member here..at the time I'll just say this I'm sure allot of the people he slapped down deserved it...I don't know if you realize how bad the BG's were back then..how biased and utterly fanboyish the average poster was at that long ago point in time

you cannot combat "kakashi beats superman' by being nice..you combat it by abusing the poster so bad he runs off the forum and never returns..or gets common sense beaten into him

and it was like that every single..god damn day or don't you remember? How many times did I have to get into it with some one? how many 'derp Minato kills goku 'posts were out there? Remember Hulk vs Naruto? I do....the only cure for that can be messy and honestly..this place had a relatively painless growth- believe me it usually is much worse

Then when the BG fiasco happened he came here and tried telling everyone about how power-abusing and blahblah I was. Hypocrite. I guess I'm on the OBD wiki too now, thanks to him. XD

man you are upset

[TheBlackChidori]

I don't know where you get that Namek is in the Milky Way Galaxy. I'm not even touching that one.

Upset? Nah. I've been dealing with every troll and pain in the ass of the battlegrounds for nearly 3 years now. If I was upset, I wouldn't still be trying to keep the place active and at least somewhat interesting.

However, locking pretty much every topic involving Tsunade, or declaring Mei the winner of every topic because he likes her, to me that's power abuse. But you know, he goes to the wiki and says "I was the most just and fair mod ever."

It's kind of like how I banned everyone apparently, but as you see, they all got a chance to come back. Only Shikamaru messed that up again, but he got like 5 chances from me. Oh well.

[WindScar22]

What if we said that Roshi could destroy Zombie Madara and some top tiers with an Evil Containment Wave? That's a long shot, even for Roshi. So I don't think that Roshi can beat the Entire Narutoverse, but he could in a Gauntlet mode, one on one.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I don't know where you get that Namek is in the Milky Way Galaxy. I'm not even touching that one.[]

because no information was ever given to the contrary


However, locking pretty much every topic involving Tsunade, or declaring Mei the winner of every topic because he likes her, to me that's power abuse. But you know, he goes to the wiki and says "I was the most just and fair mod ever."

I never said he was teh bestest what I said was this place had a serious problem with BS and wank back then and some one had to take a flame thrower to it



It's kind of like how I banned everyone apparently, but as you see, they all got a chance to come back. Only Shikamaru messed that up again, but he got like 5 chances from me. Oh well.

oh really? sounds like he bit the hand that fed him one too many times