Tier List Poll #3 - 3rd Raikage Vs. 4th Raikage

[TheBlackChidori]

Ok so, to get a majority vote over who should be above who on the tier list, we're gonna do it the old fashioned way and vote.

Who is higher on the Tier List?


No Prep and Manga Knowledge only.

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Third would win. Why ?? Well for one, Naruto's Rasenshuriken which is wind element base did not even manage to immobilize the 3rd Raikage; plus the third Raikage fought an army of Iwa nin for like 2 days (?) by himself. The first reason proves that the 3rd's raiton armor is way stronger than A's raiton armor. Why ?? A 's raiton armor was pierced by a simple chidori which was lightning based.

Wind > Lightning
Lightning=Lighning

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I'm confident the 3rd's lightning blade would pierce the 4th's armor quite easily.

However the inconsistent feature in which he was blitzed and basically assisted suicide by Sage Naruto means the 4th probably wouldn't have a problem evading this man.

If the 4th Punches him enough, I believe his shield will faulter.

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I'm confident the 3rd's lightning blade would pierce the 4th's armor quite easily.

However the inconsistent feature in which he was blitzed and basically assisted suicide by Sage Naruto means the 4th probably wouldn't have a problem evading this man.

If the 4th Punches him enough, I believe his shield will faulter.
How will his shield falter when a Rasenshuriken could not even penetrate it. I think one hit by 3rd Raikage's Nukite and A is finished. Plus the 3rd Raikage's base durability is way more powerful than A's. I think.

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Raikage's punches broke a Susano rib.

Aside from that, as far as we know up to this point his punches are the strongest in the manga.

Who's to say the 4th's punches aren't stronger in piercing than the Rasenshuriken?

I mean honestly, he punched a fist hole directly through CS2 Jugo's chest.

It's basically a Chidori with extreme force applied.

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Raikage's punches broke a Susano rib.

Aside from that, as far as we know up to this point his punches are the strongest in the manga.

Who's to say the 4th's punches aren't stronger in piercing than the Rasenshuriken?

I mean honestly, he punched a fist hole directly through CS2 Jugo's chest.

It's basically a Chidori with extreme force applied.

A only managed to crack a rib not break it off.

The 3rd Raikage managed to punch through two layers of earth release mud wall and the rubber wall that served as a dampener.

How durable is Juugo's body ??? Is it hard and diamond like??? Or is it like any normal body. If it is just a normal body, not really impressive. Juugo didnt die from it too.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at?

How is the 3rd's strength relevant to the 4th's ability to pierce his cloak? Lol

I would assume the massive hype behind curse form durability would serve to make the Raikage's massive hole punch viable as a penetration feature.

A crack, a break. Whatever.

All we know is he's faster, and he packs the strongest punch in the manga.

[deidara330]

The Third Raikage knows his son, so he'd probably go directly for the finger attack which I forgot the name of. He fought the Eight-Tails directly and I believe cut off one of its horns with that attack, so A shouldn't be able to stand up to it. Given that the Third should outclass A in speed and strength, I don't see A winning the fight. Ninjutsu-wise, the Third also has the Black Lightning technique.

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The 4th Raikage piercing whose cloak ???

The 3rd Raikage did not make just a crack or break in the wall. He made a HUGE hole in it

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The 4th Raikage piercing whose cloak ???

The 3rd Raikage did not make just a crack or break in the wall. He made a HUGE hole in it
The 3rd's strength is irrelevant, he was owned by Sage Naruto.

A is faster. He won't be touched.

If anyone is going to pierce it, it will definitely be A.

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The 3rd's strength is irrelevant, he was owned by Sage Naruto.

A is faster. He won't be touched.

If anyone is going to pierce it, it will definitely be A.

Even if we look closely, the Rasengan just moved his hand. It did not even damage the elbow. The Rasengan's concussive force shifted its direction so it would hit himself.

And again no way can A pierce his father's armor if a tailed beast bomb and rasenshuriken cant. Remember wind elements is naturally strong against lightning so the damage rasenshuriken does is more powerful than any lightning against lightning attack.

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Even if we look closely, the Rasengan just moved his hand. It did not even damage the elbow. The Rasengan's concussive force shifted its direction so it would hit himself.

And again no way can A pierce his father's armor if a tailed beast bomb and rasenshuriken cant. Remember wind elements is naturally strong against lightning so the damage rasenshuriken does is more powerful than any lightning against lightning attack.
Again the 3rd was not hit with a Menacing ball.

I addressed this already. You didn't give proof.

I also addressed the probable fact that the 4th's punches are probably more powerful than both of those attacks in terms of piercing ability. If you can't agree with that logic than whatever.

Scientifically that's non sense. Does wind blow the lightning away? Not sure how it weakens it.

Sage Naruto moved directly out of the way of the 3rd Raikage's blitz, and slammed his arm into his chest with a Rasengan. He is not fast enough to hit A, at any point.

While A riddles him with the most powerful strikes in the manga all day. All I can prove now is it's a stalemate.

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Again the 3rd was not hit with a Menacing ball.

I addressed this already. You didn't give proof.

I also addressed the probable fact that the 4th's punches are probably more powerful than both of those attacks in terms of piercing ability. If you can't agree with that logic than whatever.

Scientifically that's non sense. Does wind blow the lightning away? Not sure how it weakens it.

Sage Naruto moved directly out of the way of the 3rd Raikage's blitz, and slammed his arm into his chest with a Rasengan. He is not fast enough to hit A, at any point.

While A riddles him with the most powerful strikes in the manga all day. All I can prove now is it's a stalemate.

It is naruto physics that wind > lightning. dont bring in real life science.
Check Chapter 555 pg 10. Hachibi said that he may have made the scar with Tailed Beast Bomb, but was not sure since he and the 3rd fainted after they exchanged blows.

A' s attack is strong I will give you that, but not as strong as his father's that is for sure.

It wont end in a stalmate, one single nukite blow to A and he is dead. The 3rd also fought 100,000 Iwa nin for three days straight. You dont survive that long if your armor is weak. I dont think even A can match his father's feat.

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3rd Raikage eaily wins because of his op durability.

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It is naruto physics that wind > lightning. dont bring in real life science.
Check Chapter 555 pg 10. Hachibi said that he may have made the scar with Tailed Beast Bomb, but was not sure since he and the 3rd fainted after they exchanged blows.

A' s attack is strong I will give you that, but not as strong as his father's that is for sure.

It wont end in a stalmate, one single nukite blow to A and he is dead. The 3rd also fought 100,000 Iwa nin for three days straight. You dont survive that long if your armor is weak. I dont think even A can match his father's feat.
Naruto physics don't matter. We're talking scientifically. No lightning user in the manga has ever had trouble with wind affinity.

Prove it?

I don't recall the 3rd Raikage cracking a Susano rib, or breaking them (Sasuke's), therefore I'll consider this a stalemate as there is no way the 3rd lands a single strike.

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Naruto physics don't matter. We're talking scientifically. No lightning user in the manga has ever had trouble with wind affinity.

Prove it?

I don't recall the 3rd Raikage cracking a Susano rib, or breaking them (Sasuke's), therefore I'll consider this a stalemate as there is no way the 3rd lands a single strike.

But it is a known fact that lightning element is weak against wind. Everyone knows that, from Temari to Dodai to Kakashi to Yamato.

We can't prove whether he can break a rib because he never fought him. However the 3rd has shown to be able to solo 100,000 Iwa nins, chops of the Hachibi's tail, as well as solo the Hachibi and break through two layers of mud wall and a third layer of rubber wall that was meant to absorb the remaining force but obviously failed to do so.

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Raikage's punches broke a Susano rib.

Aside from that, as far as we know up to this point his punches are the strongest in the manga.

Who's to say the 4th's punches aren't stronger in piercing than the Rasenshuriken?

I mean honestly, he punched a fist hole directly through CS2 Jugo's chest.

It's basically a Chidori with extreme force applied.

When did 4th Raikage break a susano'o rib? Also Sasuke didn't have the full Susano'o out during the Kage Summit.

Also if Rasenshuriken didn't break the 3rd's armor no way he's being hurt by the 4th's punches.

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When did 4th Raikage break a susano'o rib? Also Sasuke didn't have the full Susano'o out during the Kage Summit.

Also if Rasenshuriken didn't break the 3rd's armor no way he's being hurt by the 4th's punches.
He broke Sasuke's ribs.

He cracked Madara's.

Nothing proves Rasenshuriken can pierce further than A's V2 super punch, as it's basically a mix of raiton (Chidori) and super strength.

Doesn't matter though, A is much faster and could easily evade.

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He broke Sasuke's ribs.

He cracked Madara's.

Nothing proves Rasenshuriken can pierce further than A's V2 super punch, as it's basically a mix of raiton (Chidori) and super strength.

Doesn't matter though, A is much faster and could easily evade.

If A could do that, then his father can do much more damage.

I think A would still lose as he cannot penetrate his father's armor.

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He broke Sasuke's ribs.

He cracked Madara's.

Nothing proves Rasenshuriken can pierce further than A's V2 super punch, as it's basically a mix of raiton (Chidori) and super strength.

Doesn't matter though, A is much faster and could easily evade.

Tsuchikage made Raikage's punch stronger.

Chapter and page where Raikage broke the ribs. As far as I've seen, he only knocked it back.

A also can't hurt the 3rd.

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If A could do that, then his father can do much more damage.

I think A would still lose as he cannot penetrate his father's armor.
Based on what?

His father has no features vs. anything comparable to Susano.

You constantly down grade A's ability when you clearly have no features to disprove it.

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Tsuchikage made Raikage's punch stronger.

Chapter and page where Raikage broke the ribs. As far as I've seen, he only knocked it back.

A also can't hurt the 3rd.
He cracked Madara's rib before he eventually punched a hole right through the entire Susano with assistance of the super- aggravating punch.

Nothing suggests this. A's punches were able to crack Susano ribs.

Chapter 563, page 5.

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He cracked Madara's rib before he eventually punched a hole right through the entire Susano with assistance of the super- aggravating punch.

Nothing suggests this. A's punches were able to crack Susano ribs.

Chapter 563, page 5.

Wrong page. Madara doesn't even have the susano'o on the page you just suggested. Also the only technique strong enough to hurt 3rd Raikage was the four finger nunike.

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Wrong page. Madara doesn't even have the susano'o on the page you just suggested. Also the only technique strong enough to hurt 3rd Raikage was the four finger nunike.
Look again, read the chapter.

Not my fault you're on a different site.

Congrats, the 4th never punched him.

I'm gonna bet on the fact the heaviest melee buster has a chance.

He does a horizontal lightning chop, which cracks the rib.

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Look again, read the chapter.

Not my fault you're on a different site.

Congrats, the 4th never punched him.

I'm gonna bet on the fact the heaviest melee buster has a chance.

He does a horizontal lightning chop, which cracks the rib.

I agree with you that A is strong enough to crack a Susanoo rib, but compared to his father he is not that strong.

I am basing the 3rd Raikage's strength on the fact that he is the also person that could penetrate his Raiton armor , and his Raiton armor managed to tank Rasenshuriken which is one of naruto's most powerful jutsu. Base on that, I would say that his Raiton armor is one of the best defense in the verse.

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I agree with you that A is strong enough to crack a Susanoo rib, but compared to his father he is not that strong.

I am basing the 3rd Raikage's strength on the fact that he is the also person that could penetrate his Raiton armor , and his Raiton armor managed to tank Rasenshuriken which is one of naruto's most powerful jutsu. Base on that, I would say that his Raiton armor is one of the best defense in the verse.
Again prove it.

Prove Rasenshuriken > V2 A's Super Punch

I don't buy it.

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Again prove it.

Prove Rasenshuriken > V2 A's Super Punch

I don't buy it.

Ok lets see, the Rasenshuriken ripped apart or rather disintegrated the Human Path and did damage to Kakuzu on a cellular level. A's punch I dont think will rip or disintegrate a person in half like Rasenshuriken.

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Ok lets see, the Rasenshuriken ripped apart or rather disintegrated the Human Path and did damage to Kakuzu on a cellular level. A's punch I dont think will rip or disintegrate a person in half like Rasenshuriken.
A's punch would kill both of them, easily.

We're talking piercing power, not total destruction.

A's punches have a stronger piercing ability, as I severely doubt Rasenshuriken would brake any of Madara's ribs.

Also V2 Raikage cut off Zetsu's head, so honestly he clearly has the ability to shred if he wants. He would much rather crush.

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A's punch would kill both of them, easily.

We're talking piercing power, not total destruction.

A's punches have a stronger piercing ability, as I severely doubt Rasenshuriken would brake any of Madara's ribs.

Well Naruto's Chou Oodama Rasengan did not even damage Madara's Susanoo. But that is Chou Oodama Rasengan and not Rasenshuriken, so we are not to sure whether Rasenshuriken would be any different.

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Look again, read the chapter.

Not my fault you're on a different site.

Congrats, the 4th never punched him.

I'm gonna bet on the fact the heaviest melee buster has a chance.

He does a horizontal lightning chop, which cracks the rib.

You can't prove the 4th's punch will do anything.

4th Raikage never cracked the Susano'o. Naruto manga reader. Madara isn't even using the susano'o. Stop lying. I would post an image but it's illegal.

The 4th Raikage has no technique which could hurt the 3rd. Until you prove he can, the 3rd Raikage wins.

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A's punch would kill both of them, easily.

We're talking piercing power, not total destruction.

A's punches have a stronger piercing ability, as I severely doubt Rasenshuriken would brake any of Madara's ribs.

Also V2 Raikage cut off Zetsu's head, so honestly he clearly has the ability to shred if he wants. He would much rather crush.

A never chopped of Zetsus neck. He crushed his throat. A's punched "do not" have piercing ability.

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You can't prove the 4th's punch will do anything.

4th Raikage never cracked the Susano'o. Naruto manga reader. Madara isn't even using the susano'o. Stop lying. I would post an image but it's illegal.

The 4th Raikage has no technique which could hurt the 3rd. Until you prove he can, the 3rd Raikage wins.

I have to back Iso up on this one. A clearly put a crack in Madara's Susanoo

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You can't prove the 4th's punch will do anything.

4th Raikage never cracked the Susano'o. Naruto manga reader. Madara isn't even using the susano'o. Stop lying. I would post an image but it's illegal.

The 4th Raikage has no technique which could hurt the 3rd. Until you prove he can, the 3rd Raikage wins.
Yes he did, read the chapter again.

Von read it. Now you go do it.

No he doesn't. Unless you can prove his cloak is more powerful than Madara's Susano ribs.

Rasenshuriken is not enough to make me believe he can constantly tank super punches.

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Yes he did, read the chapter again.

Von read it. Now you go do it.

No he doesn't. Unless you can prove his cloak is more powerful than Madara's Susano ribs.

Rasenshuriken is not enough to make me believe he can constantly tank super punches.

The fact of the matter is, the 3rd would not be so easily be hit by A, the same goes for A, he wont be so easily hit by his dad. Its a battle of stamina, which the 3rd would win

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I have to back Iso up on this one. A clearly put a crack in Madara's Susanoo


http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/4

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Yes he did, read the chapter again.

Von read it. Now you go do it.

No he doesn't. Unless you can prove his cloak is more powerful than Madara's Susano ribs.

Rasenshuriken is not enough to make me believe he can constantly tank super punches.

Post above.

Rasenshuriken shreds cells on a molecular level dude...............no explanation needed

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http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/4

Dude did you read the next page ??? We can clearly see a crack and it is not microscopic.

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Post above.

Rasenshuriken shreds cells on a molecular level dude...............no explanation needed
Oh going science on me.

The wind in the spinning sphere cut the cells of an opponent, doesn't matter if they can't pierce a charging lightning shield before they reach those cells. Which they didn't.

Lightning Punches > Wind Sphere all day in penetration.

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Dude did you read the next page ??? We can clearly see a crack and it is not microscopic.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/5

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Yup, a crack the size of his foot.

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Oh going science on me.

The wind in the spinning sphere cut the cells of an opponent, doesn't matter if they can't pierce a charging lightning shield before they reach those cells. Which they didn't.

Lightning Punches > Wind Sphere all day in penetration.

Raikages punches don't have piercing ability. Hence the word "punch"

You still can't prove Raikages punches>Rasenshuriken

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Guys you are about to stray of topic. If you want, I'll make a Naruto Vs A.

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4th Raikage has no way of hurting the 3rd/the end.

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Raikages punches don't have piercing ability. Hence the word "punch"

You still can't prove Raikages punches>Rasenshuriken
The immense strength behind the punches itself serves to the damage.

The fact there is a lightning affinity aspect to it means there is an extra piercing nature to the punches.

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The immense strength behind the punches itself serves to the damage.

The fact there is a lightning affinity aspect to it means there is an extra piercing nature to the punches.

No it doesn't. A punch is a punch. Show in the manga where it has piercing ability.

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No it doesn't. A punch is a punch. Show in the manga where it has piercing ability.
Are you kidding me?

It cracked Madara's Susano rib.

It broke Sasuke's Susano ribs.

It punched a hole directly through CS2 Jugo.

And it's lightning Lol. There's no point in him saying lightning in his attacks if lightning affinity is not involved.

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Are you kidding me?

It cracked Madara's Susano rib.

No it didn't. I even posted the pages to prove so.

It broke Sasuke's Susano ribs.

You can't provide a chpater and page, therefore it's irrelevant.

It punched a hole directly through CS2 Jugo.

And it's lightning Lol. There's no point in him saying lightning in his attacks if lightning affinity is not involved.

Lightning attacks aren't always piercing attacks .lol I guess Darui's miracle wave can pierce stuff too...ha

And also everything you mentioned were not examples of piercing.

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It's on the page. Are you blind? Lol.

Sasuke's cracked ribs- Narutobase.net. chapter 464 page 1-2. You clearly see Raikage damaging Sasuke as he spits up blood.

You can also see cracks on the lower part of the ribs from the laiger bomb. He didn't even use his punch.

Also on 463 page 6 there is a clear brake in the rib.

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It's on the page. Are you blind? Lol.

Sasuke's cracked ribs- Narutobase.net. chapter 464 page 1-2. You clearly see Raikage damaging Sasuke as he spits up blood.

You can also see cracks on the lower part of the ribs from the laiger bomb. He didn't even use his punch.

A chop isn't piercing dude......that's called cutting

And also the ribs aren't cracked they look actually the same as on chaper 463 page 14. And yes, I'm on Naruto base.net

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Chapter 463 page 6.

He brakes a rib.

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Chapter 463 page 6.

He brakes a rib.

No he doesn't dude. You have a problem. Lets me show you picture by picture:

1.Top Front Pic: Raikage just liger bombed Sasuke. His ribs are completely unharmed.
2.Next Left Pic: rocks flying
3.Next Middle Pic: Raikage with his arm up
4.Next Right pic: Shows the ribs unharmed
5.Bottom left pic: Sasuke still unhardmed
6.Bottom right pic: Darui helping shii

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Please look at the lower left of the first caption. There you will see clearly a rib broken off.

You have the problem. You can't even see obvious manga features.

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http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/6

Please look at the lower left of the first caption. There you will see clearly a rib broken off.

You have the problem. You can't even see obvious manga features.

Okay. I see now. That's from the liger bomb though. And it isn't even the whole rib. lol I thought you were actually talking about something like Danzou's wind buster jutsu. Something that small is irrelevant.

yip yip hooray. One of Raikages strongests attack barely manage to break a whole rib or lowest Susano'o form!!!!! lol

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Problem being Susano is considered the strongest defense.

And he damaged it with a simple power bomb.

If his kick dropped Sasuke would probably be dead right now.

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Problem being Susano is considered the strongest defense.

And he damaged it with a simple power bomb.

If his kick dropped Sasuke would probably be dead right now.

You must also realize that Sasuke's Sussanoo is not that powerful as compared to Itachi's.