The BG is now under martial law

[AshenREAPER]

Any and all threads and posts made in any forum in the BG(excluding the burrow), will be placed into a moderation que.

What does this mean for you all?

It means that absolutely none of your posts will show up until approved by a moderator. Anything that we feel infringes upon the Forum Rules will be deleted automatically. If we feel someone is chill enough to not need their posts moderated, we may give said person the ability to bypass the moderation que. In the meantime, you're all gonna have to deal with this.

To the users who don't habitually troll/flame/throw-a-fit-when-they're-wrong/etc., we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

[megabbaut]

Alright, good. This may solve a few problems we've had in the past.

[Wooster]

It also may be a bit slow at the beginning. Please be patient with you friendly, neighborhood mod staff. ^_^

[megabbaut]

Just one thing, what do you mean by ''the burrow?''

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

It's a place where the mods of the BG can talk about ways to help the BG, it's been there forever now.

[Summon Reactor SK]

I move that TheBlackChidori be removed from power. He's just proven he can't be trusted with it.

I wonder if this will be allowed to get through. Probably not, but my position will be made known at least. :P

[Super Sanin 3]

How productive is this? About how long does it take to get confirmed?

[J-Sun Tasogare]

How productive is this? About how long does it take to get confirmed?

The time it takes depends on how fast we see it.

[Wooster]

It can be nearly immediate if a mod is spending time in the BG. If not, much longer perhaps.

Think of it as time to carefully consider your reply and write a truly amazing post. ;)

[Kuromaki]

this new system feels so... restricting.

[Wooster]

Exactly, that is why it is called Martial Law. Anyone here after ten will be shot on sight. :ugeek:

[Kuromaki]

That's not fun. Oh well. Let's see how long this is going to work out.

[Wooster]

Neither is a massive flaming, trolls, and insults right and left.

[Kuromaki]

I don't think it's that major, although there are a few exceptions. Maybe I'm not paying enough attention. :lol:

[Bacon]

Sounds interesting, but FOOLISH. :lol:

//wonders if said restrictions are here too

[deidara#1]

I don't spend much time in the BG but this seems excessive. If any and all post must be cleared by a mod then the activity here will be shot. I'm not sure how much flaming and trolling was going on but it's hard to believe it warranted this.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

I don't spend much time in the BG but this seems excessive. If any and all post must be cleared by a mod then the activity here will be shot. I'm not sure how much flaming and trolling was going on but it's hard to believe it warranted this.

It won't be completely shot.

[AshenREAPER]

I don't spend much time in the BG but this seems excessive. If any and all post must be cleared by a mod then the activity here will be shot. I'm not sure how much flaming and trolling was going on but it's hard to believe it warranted this.
Considering the excessive amount of flaming and trolling that I hear about this place at least twice a week, coupled with seeing the backlash from the users who frequent this forum when someone tries to remove the excessive amount of problem members... I think this has been a long time coming.

Drastic though it may be, it could be worse. It could stay closed indefinitely. :lol:

[Apollo Justice]

See I knew the lock down was only temporary! :p

[AshenREAPER]

It's also worth noting that this IS the only current alternative to closing the place down. I don't think anyone really wants the BG to be closed down, but with the excessive amount of trolling/flaming/baiting something most definitely needed to be done.

I'll be honest, we've never had to do this before for any other community in any other forum section. This is the first time we've had to implement something this drastic to keep users under control. If that doesn't give you guys an idea of how serious your situation here is, I suppose nothing would. Just know that TBC's idea of closing down the BG at least temporarily is not off the table and may yet be considered if the current solution doesn't work out.

[TheBlackChidori]

I wonder if anyone actually realizes that I'm the reason you still have a battlegrounds. =p

[SRhyse]

I wonder if anyone actually realizes that I'm the reason you still have a battlegrounds. =p
Truth.

[colorles]

this 'post thing' is just gonna deter posters, theres many other forums to post at after all

also the nature of debating itself is confrontation

[Leafy]

I was wondering why my post needs to be checked by a mod. lol

[Nick Tasogare]

also the nature of debating itself is confrontation

Um not really.

[Jonesy]

Smart move if you ask me. :)

[colorles]

Um not really.

'debate' is 'gloryfied term' for 'argument', no mater how veiled a 'debate' is still an 'argument'

[AshenREAPER]

also the nature of debating itself is confrontation
And this, folks, is why we're here today. :lol:

[Nick Tasogare]

'debate' is 'gloryfied term' for 'argument', no mater how veiled a 'debate' is still an 'argument'




First of all, stop acting like you're the smartest person since Einstein.

Second of all, it's 'glorified', not 'gloryfied'.

Third of all, you don't need to get in someone's face to have an argument. Have you ever seen two debate teams debate? Did one of the debaters walk up to a person on the other team and get in their face?

Or maybe you've seen what goes on in a court room. The lawyers don't get at each other, or at the witnesses when going about their questions, do they? No, they don't.

[Super Sanin 3]

Eh i wanted a judge for specific matches so everything would be more civilized, but i guess this works too

Oh yeah, how long is it before you can post freely? And there's actually a counter to this system, editing once it's approved (o god what have i done >.>)

[colorles]

First of all, stop acting like you're the smartest person since Einstein.

Second of all, it's 'glorified', not 'gloryfied'.

Third of all, you don't need to get in someone's face to have an argument. Have you ever seen two debate teams debate? Did one of the debaters walk up to a person on the other team and get in their face?

Or maybe you've seen what goes on in a court room. The lawyers don't get at each other, or at the witnesses when going about their questions, do they? No, they don't.

but are we not 'arguing'? for a 'debate' to occur there must be 'disagreement' so to speak (as we are 'speaking' so to speak, well in an internet sorta way jaja), as without 'disagreement' there would be no 'debate', only 'convo', and this is a 'VS debate' is it not? thus the nature of 'debate' is ' confrontation', whether veiled or blatent 'debate' is 'arguing'

[TheBlackChidori]

Actually FFS's newest alt.

The reason we're here today is because people like you don't understand the concept of a public forum, and that you're not free to do whatever you want.

Can you honestly expect to join a forum, and spend your entire time telling people what douches they are because you're right and they're wrong? You are one of the worst member's I've ever encountered... No, one of the worst people I've ever encountered.

The cutest thing is how you keep coming back to make yourself out to be the victim.

We have people like Miles who claim the place is bad now, mostly because he's not the one running things anymore. Then him and phoenix write essays repeating the same point and using large words to seem like they actually have a valid argument, when it's dribble that I don't get paid to read or respond to.

So keep whining, we know you have nothing better to do. =)




Those that follow the rules of the battlegrounds for now will come that in time, this restriction will be lifted. If it's dead by then, oh well. This section is awful for business as it is, considering 90% of the members who join and post in it, leave within the first week after being made to feel like nothing by elitist people like yourself.


And then when I have enough, and start enforcing things that I should have enforced long ago, all I hear is QQ... TBC is mean!

Yep, I am. I'd love to spend my time on this forum actually debating, instead of reading through 30 topics that end in me locking or deleting half of them because people can't debate like adults. Do I get to do that? Not really. Here's an average day in the battlegrounds...

Your tier list sucks, mine's better!
That wasn't a valid feat, you're an idiot.
Speedblitz, GG.
(Insert random alt goading people into arguing)
(Insert random whine about the staff failure)
Delete post of F-bombs.
Infract F-Bombers.
Get PM from F-Bombers telling me I'm unfair.
Tell them okay, be good.
Infract them two days later for same thing.
Ban them a day later for same thing.
Get told I'm unfair.


Wow, Solid section, feel's like we're all enjoying our time.

[Nick Tasogare]

but are we not 'arguing'? for a 'debate' to occur there must be 'disagreement' so to speak (as we are 'speaking' so to speak, well in an internet sorta way jaja), as without 'disagreement' there would be no 'debate', only 'convo', and this is a 'VS debate' is it not? thus the nature of 'debate' is ' confrontation', whether veiled or blatent 'debate' is 'arguing'

You do 'realize' that putting little 'quotes' over everything makes you seem 'retarded' and not 'smart' right?

Basically what you're trying to say is that a disagreement = debate = hostility, which is totally not true.

I didn't say we were arguing? I used debate teams and lawyers as examples.

They have a disagreement. They do not agree. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum of their topic. They are debating. Yet I've never seen a lawyer go up to another lawyer during questioning and say "YOUR CLIENT IS GUILTY AND YOUR QUESTIONS SUCK WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT?"

[colorles]

You do 'realize' that putting little 'quotes' over everything makes you seem 'retarded' and not 'smart' right?

Basically what you're trying to say is that a disagreement = debate = hostility, which is totally not true.

I didn't say we were arguing? I used debate teams and lawyers as examples.

They have a disagreement. They do not agree. They are on opposite ends of the spectrum of their topic. They are debating. Yet I've never seen a lawyer go up to another lawyer during questioning and say "YOUR CLIENT IS GUILTY AND YOUR QUESTIONS SUCK WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT?"

'open hostility' is not a prerequsite of 'debate', but 'disagreement' and 'verbal confrontation' is, and regardless of whether its 'civilized' or 'openly hostil', 'debating' is still 'arguing'

thats all

[Bacon]

To be honest, I don't know why anyone hasn't referenced the debate section yet. When it used to be active with all sorts of topics about war,abortion, and even religion; nobody ever resorted to flaming. I mean you'd expect rage over the concept of god, not over naruto(Sorry I don't have specific example in mind). :lol:

[Frost ninja]

A debate is a collision and collaboration of two seperate ideals into a topic. These views, often differing, do not always lead to an argument or confrontation. A true debate takes place with class, each side providing their evidence and then fighting the other's case, not the person themselves.

After its said and done, another review of the debate is done and the evidence that is left undisputed is placed into a seperate "area" of the debate. Then, the disputed evidence is taken back into consideration and either results in it being "disproved" or "proved". This can take some time, but in the end the evidence will apply itself by its own means.

After such, the cases themselves are put through the final go, with the proved evidence backing them. At that point it becomes the strongest case wins.


tl;dr, debates are done through evidence and at evidence, not through or at people.

[TheBlackChidori]

Nah, you weren't banned for disagreeing with me and "calling me out" as you call it. You were banned because I said stop trolling, and you didn't. You had more chances then anyone FFS, so I'm not sure what you're trying to play the victim for.

If I had banned everyone for "calling me out" then miles and [shikamaru] wouldn't be here, now would they? =)

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Wow, Solid section, feel's like we're all enjoying our time.

I would just say this; the vs section is usually the life blood of a forum and to give you an idea how important vs debating is. Star wars and marvel and Dc fans who came up vs debating now have "men on the inside" as it is..who listen and pay attention to it Canon can and has been influenced and decided by what goes on in these sections and that's been a reality since about 1999

I would hope that you staff think that over before shutting this place down. It is very important to the continued existence of a forum and they usually cannot survive or grow with out them.

[Nick Tasogare]

No, it's definitely because you're butthurt.

Can't you think of anything other than "butthurt" to describe people who disagree with you and think you're an absolute toolish idiot?

[[Shikamaru]]

Eh, touche.

[AshenREAPER]

'open hostility' is not a prerequsite of 'debate', but 'disagreement' and 'verbal confrontation' is, and regardless of whether its 'civilized' or 'openly hostil', 'debating' is still 'arguing'

thats all


The use of the word confrontation implies an act of imminent hostility which you are using to describe as the nature of debates, which isn't true as debates can be had without hostility playing a factor at all. I'm not sure what your point is or what it has to do with this thread, but you seem to think we're here to hamper your ability to debate, when we're really only here to put a stop to this forums trend of habitually falling into openly hostile debates as well as the users who incite and encourage hostile debate. If things can't stay civil, then according to those rules which it seems so many in this forum have forgotten about, action may very well be taken against you/your account. That's how the rest of the forum works, this forum is no exception.

[Shikamaru Nara]

IP bans take out many people.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The use of the word confrontation implies an act of imminent hostility which you are using to describe as the nature of debates, which isn't true as debates can be had without hostility playing a factor at all. I'm not sure what your point is or what it has to do with this thread, but you seem to think we're here to hamper your ability to debate, when we're really only here to put a stop to this forums trend of habitually falling into openly hostile debates as well as the users who incite and encourage hostile debate. If things can't stay civil, then according to those rules which it seems so many in this forum have forgotten about, action may very well be taken against you/your account. That's how the rest of the forum works, this forum is no exception.

Aggressive debating is a part of vs debate culture now what Corlorless is advocating for is a style of debate practice by certain sites which is basically 'you are totally justified in flaming some one" in fact it's used almost as a crutch that's a problem and should be discouraged but your asking people not to say get angry at some one who is wanking say Naruto..after they've been constantly biased for multiple pages and after we report them non stop to you guys and nothing has been done and we loose it a little? You think that is a problem? the poster who gets upset at a poster who time and time again has shown a clear cut biased and utter refusal to listen to the other side? I would think given the fact that we are mostly alone here..and with out any help from the staff to deal with these people that you cannot fully blame us for this.

Those who go too far of course and that's a problem it's a risk it happens it should be dealt with but most of the problems that you call flaming are the result of seriously biased posters and no single action being taken against them

How can we obey the rules when the staff allows for biased and disruption and a total break down of any calm non aggressive debate if it just so happens to be from one of Vizes top selling mangas?

[Miles Edgeworth]

We have people like Miles who claim the place is bad now, mostly because he's not the one running things anymore. Then him and phoenix write essays repeating the same point and using large words to seem like they actually have a valid argument, when it's dribble that I don't get paid to read or respond to.


For the record, I had already been well aware of this place being bad long after I had any actual authority to change it. So go ahead and say that I'm butthurt because it's not my way, if it makes you feel any better for being able to crap on the very rules you established to put down people who piss you off.

Since you're so correct and such a wonderful, intelligent person, why can't you simply disprove our arguments that "repeat the same point" and "use large words to seem like they actually have a valid argument"? Seems like a fancy way for you to concede since you obviously can't handle the truth that's being presented.

So if it's "dribble you don't get paid to read or respond to" then it's irrelevant? Shows the great leadership going on here, the concerns of users are being ignored and shut down in favor of going on power rampage since what people who disagree with you say is simply "dribble you don't get paid to read or respond to." If that's not the definite opposite of respectable then I don't know what is.

Also, the fact that the thread in which you clearly flamed TU was deleted is even more proof of covering your tracks. Seems like someone is trying to look like the good guy so that any dissenters are picked off as the bad guys who are incorrect in every way, shape, or form.

You do 'realize' that putting little 'quotes' over everything makes you seem 'retarded' and not 'smart' right?


Can't you think of anything other than "butthurt" to describe people who disagree with you and think you're an absolute toolish idiot?

Hm, seems to be a hint of........what's that word? Oh yes, the proper term is flaming.

Now as I recall, flaming in this section is supposed to be insta-ban, no?

BUT, here's the problem. When someone in power does it, it's justified for being their way of "Calling someone out on their incompetency and problematic behavior" but the moment a regular user does the same thing, it's inappropriate action and is grounds for a ban.

[colorles]

The use of the word confrontation implies an act of imminent hostility which you are using to describe as the nature of debates, which isn't true as debates can be had without hostility playing a factor at all. I'm not sure what your point is or what it has to do with this thread, but you seem to think we're here to hamper your ability to debate, when we're really only here to put a stop to this forums trend of habitually falling into openly hostile debates as well as the users who incite and encourage hostile debate. If things can't stay civil, then according to those rules which it seems so many in this forum have forgotten about, action may very well be taken against you/your account. That's how the rest of the forum works, this forum is no exception.

whenever a being is 'speaking' or 'typing' in 'debate', which is 'disagreement' as without 'disagreement' it would be 'convo' so to speak, it is 'confrontation' as you are 'confronting' another being 'verbally'. now whether this 'debate/confrontation' is 'openly hostil' or 'veiled hostility', its still a 'confrontation' as otherwise you would not have 'spoken/typed'. thus by even 'speaking/typing' in any sort of 'disagreement' with another being, it is 'confrontation' regardless, and thus 'argument', as isnt any sort of 'verbal disagreement' 'argument'? thus 'confrontation' so to speak (as if were speaking, well typing jaja)

[Nick Tasogare]

Lolthis thread.

@Miles: If you want me banned for my "flaming" that's fine by me. If I really wanna desperately come back here, I can just use an alt like TU.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

's incredibly amusing given my track record of exposing trolls and getting them banned here..that my posts are still censored..and they aren't showing up

Miles has a point it seems if you flame the guys the bosses don't like you are free to do as you please.

[megabbaut]

Ok yeah, this is probably a bad idea now that I think about it. Doesn't all the mods get email that someone posted in the BG waiting for their post to be approved? It would fill it up and they might get tired of getting notifications every single day.

[AshenREAPER]

tl;dr
So in short, it's the staff's fault for allowing people to get away with dickish behaviors. But at the same time, it's also the mods fault for being too mean when enforcing rules on people for their dickish behaviors?

I'll give you that modship has been too lax in this forum, but that doesn't warrant the backlash TBC received when he went about actually enforcing the rules.

[megabbaut]

What does tl;dr mean?

[TheBlackChidori]

For the record, I had already been well aware of this place being bad long after I had any actual authority to change it. So go ahead and say that I'm butthurt because it's not my way, if it makes you feel any better for being able to crap on the very rules you established to put down people who piss you off.

Since you're so correct and such a wonderful, intelligent person, why can't you simply disprove our arguments that "repeat the same point" and "use large words to seem like they actually have a valid argument"? Seems like a fancy way for you to concede since you obviously can't handle the truth that's being presented.

So if it's "dribble you don't get paid to read or respond to" then it's irrelevant? Shows the great leadership going on here, the concerns of users are being ignored and shut down in favor of going on power rampage since what people who disagree with you say is simply "dribble you don't get paid to read or respond to." If that's not the definite opposite of respectable then I don't know what is.

Also, the fact that the thread in which you clearly flamed TU was deleted is even more proof of covering your tracks. Seems like someone is trying to look like the good guy so that any dissenters are picked off as the bad guys who are incorrect in every way, shape, or form.




Oh wow, you are such a little girl! I actually want to respond to this.

What is your argument exactly? That I don't care about this place and don't follow any of the rules? It's funny that YOU think that way, yet the owners of this site trust me enough to do it this way. Hmm... maybe there's a reason.

They're definitely not gonna mind when I ban someone like Phoenix who spends his days talking of conspiracies and PMing all the admins his opinions. Like what is your point? We are the ones who make the rules. I've already explained numerous times why this place was closed out. Why it's being moderated so heavily now. Yet you are just trying to come here to get a rise out of people, and doing nothing but making it all worse. Had 50 of you not started chiming in like it was some debate, insulting me, calling me a power abuser, this wouldn't have even happened. I even admitted to doing some flaming myself. Because I actually have the honor to admit to that, while TU and FFS claim to be a victims that have never done anything wrong except ask why.

Well for one, this section isn't for you to ask why. It's to debate about fictional characters. So in turn, yes you're spamming by continously arguing this cause. And you're also making it much more difficult to just let this situation die down so maybe things can get restored.

Viz doesn't make money off of the battlegrounds. If anything, they lose membership because of it. The only crowd it attracts is the debate crowd, but it seems to only be able who can't diasgree without ripping at eachothers throats. Why did I get away with flaming Phoenix? Because I've been debating here for two years and I run the section, and he was spamming and spamming and spamming and spamming and spamming the same thing over and over again, as well as instigating arguments, constantly going on about the conspiracy, and when warned several times to stop, didn't. So yes, he got banned, and will continue to.

You come in here and type another essay, along with 30 others I choose to respond to because I actually have the respect to do that. I've definitely lost the majority of that respect. Especially for you, who doesn't have access to the infraction forum to see how much of it comes from the battlegrounds and are valid reasons. Am I going to give you access? No. Am I going to supply you evidence? Who the heck are you, Sherlock Holmes? You're not active here, so as I said your opinion doesn't matter to me.

People like Immortal Watch Dog who clearly have issues with this place, PM'd me and asked for reasons. And I even PM'd them back. Why? Because they are apart of their battleground so I wanted them to know my take. You're not getting that same respect from me. You came here once, made a tier list, started a UNS program with a few others that you never bothered to follow through with, and then left. Then you hop in once every months, and act appalled at how things are now. Well they are quite screwed up. And not because of me, but because this section is the closest thing to anarchy on this forum. And when my patience was up and I decided to say "No More", everyone started freaking out and asking "But why???"


Bottom line. This isn't YOUR forum, it's OUR forum. All of you are welcome to be apart of it, provided you follow the rules and accept our way of doing things. And if you're not, you will be swiftly dealt with.

[Super Sanin 3]

TBH it's not the people as much as the idea of the debate

A lot of people will disagree with me but i've though of the debates here as basically one either speedblitzing each other, one using their strongest attack to 1 hit KO, or who can use their 1 hit KO first

That's why I personally liked my judge idea... cause this wouldn't really change the general atmosphere

[TheBlackChidori]

I like the "tattle-tail" thing FFS is trying to pull.

[Apollo Justice]

Your tier list sucks, mine's better!
That wasn't a valid feat, you're an idiot.
Speedblitz, GG.
(Insert random alt goading people into arguing)
(Insert random whine about the staff failure)
Delete post of F-bombs.
Infract F-Bombers.
Get PM from F-Bombers telling me I'm unfair.
Tell them okay, be good.
Infract them two days later for same thing.
Ban them a day later for same thing.
Get told I'm unfair.


This part made me laugh. :lol:

If Heroking makes an alt. I hope he sees this post. :ugeek:

[TheBlackChidori]

The people who keep making alts and aren't having there posts approved, are the ones who are going to ruin it for you and end in this place closing.

[321zigzag3]

Any and all threads and posts made in any forum in the BG(excluding the burrow), will be placed into a moderation que.

So may I ask what is going on here in condensed version?

Before you all say anything this thread really seems like a variation of the past ones like Deidara330 made in the way past.

TBC, whats going on?

[Uchiha Sora]

The time it takes depends on how fast we see it.

doesn't this mean you have to no-life the BGs? O_O

[Wooster]

's incredibly amusing given my track record of exposing trolls and getting them banned here..that my posts are still censored..and they aren't showing up

Miles has a point it seems if you flame the guys the bosses don't like you are free to do as you please.
Calm down, everyone has to be approved first.

Or maybe everyone was too afraid to approve this one. :lol:

[TheBlackChidori]

So may I ask what is going on here in condensed version?

Before you all say anything this thread really seems like a variation of the past ones like Deidara330 made in the way past.

TBC, whats going on?

Basically I told everyone as a whole to stop flaming and spamming and trolling, and they decided I was Hitler and censoring their freedom.

[321zigzag3]

Basically I told everyone as a whole to stop flaming and spamming and trolling, and they decided I was Hitler and censoring their freedom.

This response seems to la genial.

I have a feeling theres more to it. Not from you of course but from others to state their side of the story if you know what I mean.

[Wooster]

Can we move this thread to another section, TBC? It is clogging up all the regular debate approval process.

[megabbaut]

This response seems to la genial.

I have a feeling theres more to it. Not from you of course but from others to state their side of the story if you know what I mean.
http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106458&highlight=itachi+Jiraiya

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106580&highlight=naruto+sasuke

These threads explain everything. And also Equinox's threads.

[trouble88]

IP bans take out many people.

Yeah just one problem with that to be honest. What if their more than one person in the house who using the forum from a diffidence computer other than the fool who keep on breaking the BG rules. an IP ban would up cause more drama for the forum if you asked me. Given out IP ban just to nail one person while punish people who haven't broke any rules will not help the forum at all.

[TheBlackChidori]

Think Ill just lock this. I'm done responding to people repeating the same thing.

Follow or have it locked again, end of story.

[AshenREAPER]

You know, seeing as you've already explained yourself numerous times, you could just ignore/delete the posts in the moderation que rather than respond to them. It's not like anyone but us can see the posts in the que, so you're not obligated to re-explain yourself time and again unless a migraine is what you're looking for. It's like responding to the guy who asks "Why?" after everything you say, and in more or less words(usually more) these guys tend to do just that. :lol: