Naruto Tier List (Speed) [Archive] - Naruto Discussion Forum

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 07:49 PM

Okay, so in my belief I put A at the top of the scale simply due to both hype and his own feature of dodging Amy. Also it looked like he countered KM Naruto with little difficulty in V1 and even base.

However, a lot of people believe KM Naruto is above Raikage, and below that is up to personal preference.

Another problem is A said himself he was slower than Minato.

Gated Guy, Deva Path, and Killer Bee are in this conversation.

Please refer to the bottom of the OP to see changes made and possible changes under debate.

Upon debating, understand there are three things that determine speed.

1. Foot speed (Linear Blitzing)
2. Reaction speed (Clearly dodging, moving away from or countering)
3. Perception (Ability to clearly observe and understand speed levels even outside of their own)

SCALE
A
KM Naruto
Minato
Deva Path
Killer Bee
Gated Guy (Lack of features at this point, only Kisame dialogue)
SM Naruto
3rd Raikage
SM Jiraiya
Madara
Itachi
Muu
Orochimaru (KN4 Feats)
Sasuke
Onoki
Danzo
Tobi (Intangibility Reaction- Foo and Torune)
Gated Lee (Again, lack of features)
Kakashi
Darui
CS2 Jugo
Hidan
Asuma
Zabuza
Chiyo (Iron Sand Reaction)
Haku
Kisame (Blocking Killer Bee Reaction)
Kimimaro
Kakuzu
Deidara (Sasuke reaction feature, perception reaction on C1 birds)
Sasori (Hiruko)
Konan (Paper clone reaction speed/shurikens)
Tsunade
Sai (Sasuke reaction- Orochimaru hideout)
Yamato
Suigetsu
Shikamaru
Anko

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Discuss, present features, copy and past your adjustments, and we'll debate it here.

Added off the top of my head, these are just the ones I thought are highly debated in terms of speed and more up the scale. I can continue down but there are simply too many characters. I did not add any of the earlier Kages.

If I forgot anyone please troll me and I will add them.

CURRENT SUGGESTIONS UNDER DEBATE:
-Need to locate: Hanzo, Muu, 2nd Mizukage, Onoki, Mifune, Darui, Kinkaku and Ginkaku and several Jichurikis.
Common: Should RS Naruto and Minato be above the Raikage?
-Should Tobi be higher since he reacted to Minato?
-Should Yamato be higher since he wrapped tobi relatively quickly with wood style?
-Where does Kabuto fit on the list?
-Shouldn't Deidara be higher when he's on clay birds?
-Why is Kakuzu so low?

CHANGES ALREADY MADE:
3rd Raikage put below SM Naruto (TheBlackChidori) + (Kuromaki)
Added Madara above Itachi (Kuromaki)

Kuromaki

10-22-2011, 07:54 PM

maybe it should be Minato/Naruto/A so people won't argue about it

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 07:55 PM

maybe it should be Minato/Naruto/A so people won't argue about it
Well the point is to debate it.

Why do you think Minato is top tier speed?

Apollo Justice

10-22-2011, 07:55 PM

Minato is above RS Naruto and A but that's my opinion.

Reasons:

Reacted to A in a fraction of a second.

Outblitzed "Tobi" ect.

Kuromaki

10-22-2011, 07:58 PM

;5631112']Well the point is to debate it.

Why do you think Minato is top tier speed?
Well what we have for him is:

Saving Naruto as a baby from Tobidara;s attack in midair.
Yamato saying Naruto wasn't as good as Minato yet when he saw Naruto blitz Kisame.
A admitting to being slower than him, and we only saw one fight between them but there are supposedly more.
His nickname being the Yellow flash, flash implies movement and not just instant teleportation.

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 07:59 PM

Minato is above RS Naruto and A but that's my opninion.

Reasons:

Reacted to A in a fraction of a second.

Outblitzed "Tobi" ect.
Well let's debate it then.

V2 Raikage came within a finger span of Naruto's face, this directly after Raikage told Naruto he was going to blitz, the panel before showing his fist in his face:

it showed Naruto beginning to run with V2 Raikage very close.

So the real question is does that feature make Naruto faster simply because he dipped a linear blitz upon a warning with prep?

Super Sanin 3

10-22-2011, 08:00 PM

Is this considering FTG?

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:01 PM

Well what we have for him is:

Saving Naruto as a baby from Tobidara;s attack in midair.
Yamato saying Naruto wasn't as good as Minato yet when he saw Naruto blitz Kisame.
A admitting to being slower than him, and we only saw one fight between them but there are supposedly more.
His nickname being the Yellow flash, flash implies movement and not just instant teleportation.
All circumstantial features.

Dialogue isn't always accurate and trustworthy, let's talk features from here on.

^ FTG is a seal teleportation, and is instant. We're talking Foot speed, reaction and perception ability.

Lone_Espada

10-22-2011, 08:04 PM

Features like A moving at his full speed towards Minato and him dodging it?

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:06 PM

Features like A moving at his full speed towards Minato and him dodging it?
Well Naruto did the same thing, doesn't mean he's faster.

Simply means Minato moved a significantly smaller space to evade a direct linear blitz. He reacted.

Same thing Raikage did when he dodged Sasuke's Amy.

Doesn't Mean Raikage can literally run faster than Sasuke's Amy in a direct sprint.

Super Sanin 3

10-22-2011, 08:06 PM

Apollo Justice

10-22-2011, 08:08 PM

;5631127']Well let's debate it then.

V2 Raikage came within a finger span of Naruto's face, this directly after Raikage told Naruto he was going to blitz, and the panel before showing his fist in his face it showed Naruto beginning to run with V2 Raikage very close.

So the real question is does that feature make Naruto faster simply because he dipped a linear blitz upon a warning with prep?

Not only did he react to A but he got to Bee using his Hirashin.

With Shunshin he saved baby Naruto from being stabbed by "Tobi".

With Shunshin he saved Kid Kakashi from being stabbed while marking the enemy. Then to later use Hirashin traveling a distance before his backpack that was a fraction of a second away from touching the ground.

So even without Hirashin I say he is still speed king.

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:09 PM

Hmm... in that case A >> Minato in speed
But what made Deva Path so high in speed? I think I remember him falling back to escape the 6TK but that doesn't sound like a big enough feat to be put that high (I mean it's just the regular retreating method, jumping from tree to tree). An actual speed feat is if he were to actually attack it hand-to-hand like Orochimaru
Well apparently he paced with KN6 Naruto in a direct sprint, who I firmly believe to be the fastest being in the universe.

He also reacted to incredibly unpredictable chakra arms and fireballs.

Deva Path also jumped above a Rasenshuriken, which was thrown across a city-sized crater in less than a second.

Lone_Espada

10-22-2011, 08:10 PM

;5631158']Well Naruto did the same thing, doesn't mean he's faster.

Simply means Minato moved a significantly smaller space to evade a direct linear blitz. He reacted.

Same thing Raikage did when he dodged Sasuke's Amy.

Doesn't Mean Raikage can literally run faster than Sasuke's Amy in a direct sprint. Reacted = Speed? You have to have the speed to react to something that fast no? His speed gave him the ability to react to something like A's full speed.

Edit: Oh I didn't know we were talking about Foot speed, reaction and perception ability. >.<

Kuromaki

10-22-2011, 08:10 PM

;5631137']All circumstantial features.

Dialogue isn't always accurate and trustworthy, let's talk features from here on.

^ FTG is a seal teleportation, and is instant. We're talking Foot speed, reaction and perception ability.
He reacted to A's fastest attack, but only avoided it because of Hiraishin, probably because he wasn't expecting such speed. That's the best thing he's done reaction wise. They also fought more than that, so maybe he showed some real speed there. Idunno.

I believe if it comes from multiple characters who have no reason to lie, it's trustworthy, but going by purely feats, he doesn't have much outside of Hiraishin.

The only movement speed he showed without Hiraishin was saving baby Naruto and appearing on a tree a good distance away almost instantly after saving Kushina from getting crushed by the Kyuubi.

Super Sanin 3

10-22-2011, 08:11 PM

Well apparently he paced with KN6 Naruto in a direct sprint, who I firmly believe to be the fastest being in the universe.

He also reacted to incredibly unpredictable chakra arms and fireballs.

Deva Path also jumped above a Rasenshuriken, which was thrown across a crater in less than a second.
Don't get me wrong I think the 6 tails is fast as hell too but it seemed more like the casual "retreat" rather than actual combat didn't it? I mean with that speed he should have blitz'd tired base Naruto easily. But i'll admit his reactions are good

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:11 PM

Reacted = Speed? You have to have the speed to react to something that fast no? His speed gave him the ability to react to something like A's full speed.
Yeah KM Naruto's reaction speed is astounding.

However that feature didn't prove he can run faster than A in a direct sprint race.

As you've seen, both Minato and KM Naruto's features were dodging A's Blitz.

Let them blitz A, I think he'd react and dodge too.

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:13 PM

Don't get me wrong I think the 6 tails is fast as hell too but it seemed more like the casual "retreat" rather than actual combat didn't it? I mean with that speed he should have blitz'd tired base Naruto easily. But i'll admit his reactions are good
Yeah I know the manga is always so inconsistent.

But that feature was just too ridiculous to let go.

Their faces were stretched, that's how fast they were moving. If I recall.

Deva Path has absolutely astounding reaction speed, but that feature goes to show his sprinting ability is far more impressive.

Kuromaki

10-22-2011, 08:14 PM

;5631188']Yeah I know the manga is always so inconsistent.

But that feature was just too ridiculous to let go.

Their faces were stretched, that's how fast they were moving. If I recall.
I think that was just bad animation on the anime's part :lol:

The 3rd Raikage should be here too, since he avoided 2 Rasen Shuriken, and Madara blitzed a bunch of ninja and reacted to Rasen Shuriken

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:15 PM

I think that was just bad animation on the anime's part :lol:

The 3rd Raikage should be here too, since he avoided 2 Rasen Shuriken, and Madara blitzed a bunch of ninja and reacted to Rasen Shuriken
Ahh I knew I forgot someone.

I'm not exactly sure where to put him.

Above SM Naruto?

Apollo Justice

10-22-2011, 08:16 PM

So Minato moving up?

Also Sasuke did fairly well when fighting with Raikage I say he's above Orochimaru.

A >>>> Oro

Sasuke > Oro

Lone_Espada

10-22-2011, 08:16 PM

;5631182']Yeah KM Naruto's reaction speed is astounding.

However that feature didn't prove he can run faster than A in a direct sprint race.

As you've seen, both Minato and KM Naruto's features were dodging A's Blitz.

Let them blitz A, I think he'd react and dodge too.

KM Naruto? I though it was RS Naruto. o.o Or is that what you call it?

I agree it doesn't prove that.

Well A did dodge Ammy. Bee known Minato was behind him. So yeah I do think A could react and dodge them.

Super Sanin 3

10-22-2011, 08:17 PM

Yeah I know the manga is always so inconsistent.

But that feature was just too ridiculous to let go.

Their faces were stretched, that's how fast they were moving. If I recall.

Deva Path has absolutely astounding reaction speed, but that feature goes to show his sprinting ability is far more impressive.
XD that was just sucky animation, the manga did it way differently

To get a look at it yourself it's chapter 438

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:18 PM

KM Naruto? I though it was RS Naruto. o.o Or is that what you call it?

I agree it doesn't prove that.

Well A did dodge Ammy. Bee known Minato was behind him. So yeah I do think A could react and dodge them.
I call it KM- Kyuubi Mode.

Yeah someone was trying to prove this in another debate, and I believed him.

This feature does not make KM Naruto faster than V2 A.

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:21 PM

XD that was just sucky animation, the manga did it way differently

To get a look at it yourself it's chapter 438
Ah I see it, much different here.

About Sasuke and Oro.

I still hold firm to Orochimaru's KN4 Reactions, which obviously should be faster than KN3 Killer Bee, which Sasuke could only react to from a far distance in a linear blitz.

Lone_Espada

10-22-2011, 08:22 PM

;5631208']I call it KM- Kyuubi Mode.

Yeah someone was trying to prove this in another debate, and I believed him.

This feature does not make KM Naruto faster than V2 A.

Oh I see.

Trying to prove what? o.o

Why is this debate only about Foot speed, reaction and perception ability?

Apollo Justice

10-22-2011, 08:23 PM

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:26 PM

If 3rd Raikage is on there high up SM Naruto is above him because of Reaction speed.

I say Deidara needs more credit.

Yes his reaction to a Sasuke blitz is phenomenal if Tobi wasn't able to become intangible I don't know how that would've turned out.

Not to mention with no arms he fled from Team Guy super fast very impressive speed.

He can't be slower then Hidan or Kimmimaro with those impressive and unexpected movements.
Good points, difficult to say still though.

Since Deidara really hasn't shown much taijutsu or solid reactions, while Hidan has reacted to Asuma, and shadow style at the same time. He also pressured Kakashi.

And Kimimaro, I would agree that his foot speed isn't that amazing, but his reaction speed was pretty amazing as he dodged Gaara's sand wave for a few seconds before he was taken down. Also, in CS1 he instantly caught Lee's kick with his the bones spurting out of his chest. Whether or not you want to believe it, Lee's attacks were very unpredictable. I don't think Deidara could react to that.

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:28 PM

Oh I see.

Trying to prove what? o.o

Why is this debate only about 1Foot speed, 2reaction and 3perception ability?
Well it's a speed tier list.

What other type of speed is there? Jutsu speed? That's more inclined to a regular Naruto tier list.

1.Linear blitz speed

2.Body Reaction

3.Reading and understanding movement (Kisame does this a lot, and a lot of Sharingan users)

Lone_Espada

10-22-2011, 08:35 PM

;5631240']Well it's a speed tier list.

What other type of speed is there? Jutsu speed? That's more inclined to a regular Naruto tier list.

1.Linear blitz speed

2.Body Reaction

3.Reading and understanding movement (Kisame does this a lot, and a lot of Sharingan users)

Linear? o.o I don't know what that word means. >.<

When does Kisame do that? I agree a lot of Sharingan users do.

Super Sanin 3

10-22-2011, 08:37 PM

Linear? o.o I don't know what that word means. >.<
Like he went straight at it, instead of coming from the sides
An example of a linear attack would be Bee in V1 attacking Sasuke

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:38 PM

Linear? o.o I don't know what that word means. >.<

When does Kisame do that? I agree a lot of Sharingan users do.
Like I'm coming directly at you in a straight line.

Linear = line or straight

The fastest you can run sprinting directly forward toward a target.

Have you noticed how difficult it is to stop and move to the side when you're running your fastest foward? This is why Raikage was unable to adjust and punch KM Naruto before he dodged. He was moving too fast, and he kept running into a wall and destroyed it.

Kisame did it a lot with Killer Bee, analyzing the pencils thrown at him and especially when he fought Might Guy.

During the fight he was talking to himself about the speed of Guy's punches, since they were illuminating fire he said there were so fast the friction of the speed created fire around his fists. Now Kisame is much slower than Guy and he couldn't react, but he easily perceived it and understood how fast it was.

Apollo Justice

10-22-2011, 08:48 PM

;5631233']Good points, difficult to say still though.

Since Deidara really hasn't shown much taijutsu or solid reactions, while Hidan has reacted to Asuma, and shadow style at the same time. He also pressured Kakashi.

And Kimimaro, I would agree that his foot speed isn't that amazing, but his reaction speed was pretty amazing as he dodged Gaara's sand wave for a few seconds before he was taken down. Also, in CS1 he instantly caught Lee's kick with his the bones spurting out of his chest. Whether or not you want to believe it, Lee's attacks were very unpredictable. I don't think Deidara could react to that.

Well it's your call to make so do what you see fit.

Yes but he wasn't a close combat type so he wasn't put in those positions.

Yes I agree but Gaara's sand speed wasn't as impressive as it is now.

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 08:50 PM

Well it's your call to make so do what you see fit.

Yes but he wasn't a close combat type so he wasn't put in those positions.

Yes I agree but Gaara's sand speed wasn't as impressive as it is now.
Wasn't about speed it was about the quantity of the sand.

It looked like a wave over 100 feet high, Kimimaro was able to dodge direct drops and attempts at grabbing his feet while the wave dropped, over and over.

His reaction ability is quite amazing.

Exactly what in the manga suggests Deidara can react to this?

TheBlackChidori

10-22-2011, 09:46 PM

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 09:51 PM

Kakashi should probably be higher then Gated Lee, thanks to Kamui feats. Managed to keep up with a flying Deidara on foot and get his arm, as well as swallowed his explosion. Then the instances with Deva Path's nail and Susano'os arrow.

I don't know if we can count him sneaking up on K3 Naruto to place the tag on him, but there's something else.

KinGin Bros too, though they're also lacking in feats.

And SM Naruto would have the edge on 3rd Raikage since he deflected his arm with Rasengan head on, right?
I classified Kamui as a Jutsu.

The tier list is for reactions, perception and foot speed.

Gated Lee looks to have foot speed and reaction moreover than Kakashi. Actually it's debatable about reaction since he was never really blitzed, and Kamui can be considered a direct reaction even though it's a Jutsu.

I'll consider it, if anyone else would agree.

Aside from that, not too sure about the 3rd Raikage since people don't really discuss his speed at all.

Kuromaki

10-22-2011, 10:11 PM

;5631198']Ahh I knew I forgot someone.

I'm not exactly sure where to put him.

Above SM Naruto?
3rd Raikage should be below Sage Naruto because Naruto reacted to him and nailed him with a Rasengan.

Madara idk but he's fast

[Shikamaru]

10-22-2011, 10:16 PM

3rd Raikage should be below Sage Naruto because Naruto reacted to him and nailed him with a Rasengan.

Madara idk but he's fast
Yeah didn't add Madara, no real valid features.

And I fixed it, gave both you and TBC credit.

Uchiha Sora

10-23-2011, 11:24 AM

I think it should be
Minato
A
Naruto

J-Sun Tasogare

10-23-2011, 11:36 AM

I think it should be
Minato
A
Naruto

Naruto already outspeeded Raikage though.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 12:57 PM

What feature proves

Naruto > A?

J-Sun Tasogare

10-23-2011, 12:58 PM

;5633081']What feature proves

Naruto > A?

Naruto was able to completely avoid his fastest attack/version of Raition armor.

Wooster

10-23-2011, 12:59 PM

Feature?
Probably the part where Naruto gets around A in that lame part where he convinces A that he should join the battle against Tobi.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 01:00 PM

Naruto was able to completely avoid his fastest attack/version of Raition armor.
I explained this earlier in the thread, please refer to it.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-23-2011, 01:04 PM

;5633097']I explained this earlier in the thread, please refer to it.

I saw it.

What makes him faster is that to dodge something you have to be able to react faster than the object moving at you. And it's obvious that he was able to not only dodge it but moved way away from it, he'd have to be moving faster than the object coming at him to do that. It was the author's intention to make him faster as well.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 01:08 PM

I saw it.

What makes him faster is that to dodge something you have to be able to react faster than the object moving at you. And it's obvious that he was able to not only dodge it but moved way away from it, he'd have to be moving faster than the object coming at him to do that. It was the author's intention to make him faster as well.
Nah he moved a significantly smaller distance to dodge it.

Raikage blitzed him fully, and came within a finger span of his face.

Nothing suggests KM Naruto can do the same, same goes for Minato.

Nobody has blitzed Raikage, nobody ever will.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-23-2011, 01:15 PM

;5633150']Nah he moved a significantly smaller distance to dodge it.

Raikage blitzed him fully, and came within a finger span of his face.

Nothing suggests KM Naruto can do the same, same goes for Minato.

Nobody has blitzed Raikage, nobody ever will.

No he didn't, he was completely past Raikage before the fist was able to make contact with his face.

He didn't blitz him, Naruto was looking at the fist the whole time smiling.

Maybe not for Minato since he needs tags, but Naruto was easily keeping pace with him and wasn't trying to hit Raikage.

You can't really say that since you're not the author.

Uchiha Sora

10-23-2011, 01:16 PM

I saw it.

What makes him faster is that to dodge something you have to be able to react faster than the object moving at you. And it's obvious that he was able to not only dodge it but moved way away from it, he'd have to be moving faster than the object coming at him to do that. It was the author's intention to make him faster as well.

Read the Naruto VS A Thread i made.

Not necessarily, Sasuke could dodge A but he wasn't faster than A.

Wooster

10-23-2011, 01:17 PM

The only thing that can be said is that Naruto may only have limited speed boosts because he dodged that attack by A with ease; whereas before, he got pounded.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-23-2011, 01:24 PM

Read the Naruto VS A Thread i made.

Not necessarily, Sasuke could dodge A but he wasn't faster than A.

Sasuke has sharingan which only helps reaction speed, plus he was only dealing with V1 A.

Naruto and A launched at the same time when they first started out, and arrived at the same time. The only reason he wasn't able to get by was that the distance Naruto had to cross was greater than the distance A had to cross (he only had to go to the side, Naruto had to go in a diagonal path) plus he only got pounded cause he didn't want to fight Raikage.

Wooster

10-23-2011, 01:28 PM

I don't know if I agree with the second part. Naruto could go wherever he wanted, A had to catch him.

Obvioulsy, that last time Naruto rocked A's speed.

Uchiha Sora

10-23-2011, 01:35 PM

Sasuke has sharingan which only helps reaction speed, plus he was only dealing with V1 A.

Naruto and A launched at the same time when they first started out, and arrived at the same time. The only reason he wasn't able to get by was that the distance Naruto had to cross was greater than the distance A had to cross (he only had to go to the side, Naruto had to go in a diagonal path) plus he only got pounded cause he didn't want to fight Raikage.

That doesn't matter since A was still faster. Its only an example of reacting but not being faster. I can dodge a bullet, but can I sprint faster than one? Neji could react to Kido's arrow, but was he faster than the arrow itself?

It doesn't matter if he got pounded, the fact was he couldn't get past A. And no, Naruto started off first. Then A warned him and told him that he was gonna blitz.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 01:40 PM

No he didn't, he was completely past Raikage before the fist was able to make contact with his face.

He didn't blitz him, Naruto was looking at the fist the whole time smiling.

Maybe not for Minato since he needs tags, but Naruto was easily keeping pace with him and wasn't trying to hit Raikage.

You can't really say that since you're not the author.
That's because Raikage ran in a directly straight line

Naruto began running aside before Raikage even got near him, and he still managed to adjust his linear blitz to nearly punch him in the face.

Smiling? Where? Page, chapter.

Here's what happend

"I'M COMING NARUTO"

Raikage blitzes, is nearly 3 feet away from Naruto, who is shown running to ths side.

Raikage is shown in the next panel with his fist less than an inch from Naruto's face, Naruto is afraid.

Naruto dips to the side at the last milisecond, Raikage keeps running and destroys a wall.

At no point was he smiling, at no point in this feature does anything prove KM Naruto can indeed run faster than Raikage.

J-Sun Tasogare

10-23-2011, 01:48 PM

That doesn't matter since A was still faster. Its only an example of reacting but not being faster. I can dodge a bullet, but can I sprint faster than one? Neji could react to Kido's arrow, but was he faster than the arrow itself?

Naruto sprinted off first. It doesn't matter if he got pounded, the fact was he couldn't get past A. And no, Naruto started off first. Then A warned him and told him that he was gonna blitz.
You can't dodge a bullet, the bullet would have to miss.

Neji couldn't react to the arrows, iirc he got hit in someway by nearly all of them.

It showed them launch at the exact same time. Also again I'll state moving side to side is easier than traveling in a diagonal path. You have to look at the extent he dodged it at, in all of your examples you would see it coming from far away. Naruto didn't choose to react till it was an inch away from his face. And before it hit his face he was able to get from in the fists path to behind A and then some. Had he just moved his head, sure but he was able to take his body from Point A to Point B before his full speed fist was able to move a fraction of would Naruto moved. Add that to the fact it was kishi's intention for Naruto to be faster.

;5633252']That's because Raikage ran in a directly straight line

Naruto began running aside before Raikage even got near him, and he still managed to adjust his linear blitz to nearly punch him in the face.

Smiling? Where? Page, chapter.

Here's what happend

"I'M COMING NARUTO"

Raikage blitzes, is nearly 3 feet away from Naruto, who is shown running to ths side.

Raikage is shown in the next panel with his fist less than an inch from Naruto's face, Naruto is afraid.

Naruto dips to the side at the last milisecond, Raikage keeps running and destroys a wall.

At no point was he smiling, at no point in this feature does anything prove KM Naruto can indeed run faster than Raikage.
Raikage went in a diagonal direction.

All he'd have to do is run infront of his position, Naruto was only running to make sure Raikage wouldn't punch her.

Not smiling, focusing.

That's bull, look on Chap 544 Page 10 they're very far apart.

Naruto was turned away from Raikage until his fist nearly made contact.

Yet he watched the fist all along with focus. And he wasn't afraid.

It isn't about running it's about movement speed, Naruto has been able to keep up with people near Raikage speed.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 01:56 PM

You can't dodge a bullet, the bullet would have to miss.

Neji couldn't react to the arrows, iirc he got hit in someway by nearly all of them.

It showed them launch at the exact same time. Also again I'll state moving side to side is easier than traveling in a diagonal path. You have to look at the extent he dodged it at, in all of your examples you would see it coming from far away. Naruto didn't choose to react till it was an inch away from his face. And before it hit his face he was able to get from in the fists path to behind A and then some. Had he just moved his head, sure but he was able to take his body from Point A to Point B before his full speed fist was able to move a fraction of would Naruto moved. Add that to the fact it was kishi's intention for Naruto to be faster.

Raikage went in a diagonal direction.

All he'd have to do is run infront of his position, Naruto was only running to make sure Raikage wouldn't punch her.

Not smiling, focusing.

That's bull, look on Chap 544 Page 10 they're very far apart.

Naruto was turned away from Raikage until his fist nearly made contact.

Yet he watched the fist all along with focus. And he wasn't afraid.

It isn't about running it's about movement speed, Naruto has been able to keep up with people near Raikage speed.
That's where you're completely wrong.

"Keeping up with" means your equal if not faster.

Naruto did not keep up with Raikage, he dipped a linear blitz, yes linear.
Was raikage supposed to adjust his near hypersonic blitz to punch Naruto? not possible.

Naruto moved to the side, a significantly smaller distance than Raikage had to blitz. He cannot blitz Raikage.

Noctis Arashi

10-23-2011, 02:03 PM

It's best to say in a linear pattern of movement, instead of straight line.

And Naruto clearly focused in on A, and avoided the punch. And using terms like milisecond, and feet is your own assumption, unless someone says, "I'm 3 feet away" Or you calculated it.

The fact the naruto avoided the punch from such close proximity only helps his claim of speed.

Uchiha Sora

10-23-2011, 02:04 PM

Apollo Justice

10-23-2011, 02:12 PM

Orochimaru above Sasuke?

Sasuke kept up with Raikage fairly well.

Yori

10-23-2011, 02:26 PM

Forgetting that Tobi reacted to A at the Kage summit.

It should be:

Minato
Naruto
A

Those would be my top 3.

Apollo Justice

10-23-2011, 02:30 PM

Forgetting that Tobi reacted to A at the Kage summit.

It should be:

Minato
Naruto
A

Those would be my top 3.

That was more of an intangibility feat then a speed movement.

Like when Sasuke blitzed, Tobi didn't move but became intangible instead.

Deidara was the one who reacted, which might I add is impressive!

Wooster

10-23-2011, 02:37 PM

That was more of an intangibility feat then a speed movement.

Like when Sasuke blitzed Tobi didn't move but became intangible instead.

Deidara was the one who reacted, which might I add is impressive!
Except Deidara just stood there for 2/3rds the distance and barely dodged an attack aimed at Tobi.
All that shows is Sasuke is fast.

Yori

10-23-2011, 02:37 PM

That was more of an intangibility feat then a speed movement.

Like when Sasuke blitzed Tobi didn't move but became intangible instead.

Deidara was the one who reacted, which might I add is impressive!

OP is going off of Tobi's Intangibility feats than his Speed Movement.

Also concerning your above post Sasuke keeping up with A is not so. A blitzed Sasuke in that fight. Though what was impressive was that Sasuke reacted to A at the beginning of the fight and connected with the Chidori. Even if he had the Sharingan, you have to have the body movement to still counter that type of movement.

Apollo Justice

10-23-2011, 02:40 PM

Except Deidara just stood there for 2/3rds the distance and barely dodged an attack aimed at Tobi.
All that shows is Sasuke is fast.

Hmmm..... I thought the attack was aimed at Deidara because he was running his mouth but was diverged to Tobi instead.

Wooster

10-23-2011, 02:43 PM

Hmmm..... I thought the attack was aimed at Deidara because he was running his mouth but was diverged to Tobi instead.
Remember, Sasuke needed info on Itachi. Clearly he wanted one of them alive. Why not the talker? :lol:
The way he struck Tobi, Sasuke obviously aimed to kill him; thus, no killing blow aimed at Deidara.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 03:06 PM

Anyone up to debating suggestions on the bottom of OP?

For instance, Kakashi > Gated Lee due to perception ability and reaction via Kamui

Devils Lawyer

10-23-2011, 03:08 PM

;5633293']That's where you're completely wrong.

"Keeping up with" means your equal if not faster.

Naruto did not keep up with Raikage, he dipped a linear blitz, yes linear.
Was raikage supposed to adjust his near hypersonic blitz to punch Naruto? not possible.

Naruto moved to the side, a significantly smaller distance than Raikage had to blitz. He cannot blitz Raikage.

There are several problems with your arguement. There is the fact A deliberately pointed out that was his fastest attack. That whole scene was a clear indication of the author wanting to portray Naruto as the faster character.

Another problem was unlike A naruto was not bloodlusted. A was fighting to kill meanwhile Naruto was mainly trying to counter and defeat A so he could move on. Meaning Naruto was not really putting his all into the fight. Which did have an effect on his movements. When A challenged him with his fastest attack his entire mindset was changed.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 03:14 PM

There are several problems with your arguement. There is the fact A deliberately pointed out that was his fastest attack. That whole scene was a clear indication of the author wanting to portray Naruto as the faster character.

Another problem was unlike A naruto was not bloodlusted. A was fighting to kill meanwhile Naruto was mainly trying to counter and defeat A so he could move on. Meaning Naruto was not really putting his all into the fight. Which did have an effect on his movements. When A challenged him with his fastest attack his entire mindset was changed.
There are obvious holes in my argument.

However, doesn't change the fact Naruto has not shown viable features of being faster than A.

If by blood lusted you mean testing his speed? Bloodlusted would mean after he attemped blitzing the first time he would have blitzed Naruto at a closer distance killing him the second time. Most likely.

Author creating an "deliberate scene" showing Naruto as the fastest character has yet to be shown.

Moving three meters out of the path of a hypersonic blitz doesn't make you hypersonic.

Devils Lawyer

10-23-2011, 03:54 PM

;5633474']There are obvious holes in my argument.

However, doesn't change the fact Naruto has not shown viable features of being faster than A.

Sure he has. Naruto has tagged and kept on par with characters who held equal with Bee speed. Most people seem to forget that Bee and A are not that far apart in the speed department. Add on to the fact Naruto didn't have any problems dealing with A speed during their skirmish.

If by blood lusted you mean testing his speed? Bloodlusted would mean after he attemped blitzing the first time he would have blitzed Naruto at a closer distance killing him the second time. Most likely.

A was more along the lines moving towards the objective of killing Naruto. There wasn't really any real difference between their speeds. That was proven by each countering eachothers attack. A being the slightly more experienced speed user. Though when he he put his full speed into his last attack. Naruto dodged and thus proved he was faster.
Author creating an "deliberate scene" showing Naruto as the fastest character has yet to be shown.

Moving three meters out of the path of a hypersonic blitz doesn't make you hypersonic.

[/QUOTE]

It was already stated earlier on Naruto still had a ways to go controlling his speed. He has shown that type of movement twice. Once against Kisame and Once against A. He injured his ankle the first time. I guess the second time was story indicator of him gaining control over such movements. The speed shown at the end of the battle was Naruto true speed. It wasn't just a dodge it was him at his best.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 05:18 PM

Sure he has. Naruto has tagged and kept on par with characters who held equal with Bee speed. Most people seem to forget that Bee and A are not that far apart in the speed department. Add on to the fact Naruto didn't have any problems dealing with A speed during their skirmish.

A was more along the lines moving towards the objective of killing Naruto. There wasn't really any real difference between their speeds. That was proven by each countering eachothers attack. A being the slightly more experienced speed user. Though when he he put his full speed into his last attack. Naruto dodged and thus proved he was faster.
Author creating an "deliberate scene" showing Naruto as the fastest character has yet to be shown.

It was already stated earlier on Naruto still had a ways to go controlling his speed. He has shown that type of movement twice. Once against Kisame and Once against A. He injured his ankle the first time. I guess the second time was story indicator of him gaining control over such movements. The speed shown at the end of the battle was Naruto true speed. It wasn't just a dodge it was him at his best.[/QUOTE]
Let's wait and see if he can control it enough to surpass A.

Also, nobody in the naruto universe is equal to A's speed, thus you cannot use outside features to prove:

Naruto > A

It was just a dodge. Which is exactly what I have proven with the manga.

I'll use the original logic:

Spider man has bullet reaction speed, he does not move at bullet speed.

Barely a dodge for that matter.

Yellow Flash

10-23-2011, 06:48 PM

Has the debate on KM Naruto being higher than Ei been brought up? If it hasn't I would like to.

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 07:25 PM

Ei?

What do you mean?

We've been debating Naruto's dodge feature vs. V2 A.

You can bring up anything about speed features on this thread.

The Fourth Raikage

10-23-2011, 07:32 PM

;5634198']Ei?

What do you mean?

We've been debating Naruto's dodge feature vs. V2 A.

You can bring up anything about speed features on this thread.

Ei is A - it's how it is pronouced. A (エー, Ē; Viz "Ei") is the Fourth Raikage (四代目雷影, Yondaime Raikage; Literally meaning "Fourth Lightning Shadow") of Kumogakure.

Midnight789

10-23-2011, 08:35 PM

If this thread is about actual speed.. why is Minato up so high... he uses a jutsu to move so fast... also why is Deva Path infront of Gated Gai... This Is Unreal!!??!!!...lol..Kakashi was Keeping up with him! what makes u think His speed is even close to Gated Gai. which by the way is not specific.

also r u honestly telling me that The stuff Lee Showed during the fight with Gaara in the fourth gate, remember he only activated the 5th when punching him.. his speed in the fourth Gate was so fast that even Kakashi's Shringan could not keep up. Gai also stated that not even Neji's Byakugan can react to the attacks of the Primary Lotus

this is how i see it, no fan stuff at all... if Lee is fast at base(weights Off) the gates only increases that to the maximum.. no way Itachi is faster than 4th Gated Lee. his reaction my be faster because of the shringan but that should not put them so far apart

LET THE POWER OF YOUTH EXPOLD

[Shikamaru]

10-23-2011, 08:43 PM

Nobody has any other suggetions for the list? How about nearing the bottom, anyone else to add?

Should Gaara's sand speed reaction be considered worthy of the list?

Acespectrum

10-24-2011, 07:10 PM

[Shikamaru]

10-28-2011, 09:12 PM

Thinking I need to add Kabuto and Madara.

Thoughts?

Kuromaki

10-29-2011, 11:12 AM

You should add Madara. The way he was blitzing all the Shinobi Alliance members means the author clearly intended for him to be fast, but how fast, I don't know. That's up to you or anybody else who decides to argue on Maddy's behalf. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

I would say that with him being one of the strongest Uchiha and all, he should be on Itachi's level somewhere.

Uchiha Sora

10-29-2011, 11:17 AM

;5634477']

Should Gaara's sand speed reaction be considered worthy of the list?

Yeah it should be added. Gaara doesn't really move at all if his sand isn't moving for him.

I wonder how fast Gaara is himself. Minus the huge gourd weighing him down.

I really don't see how Naruto>Lee. Lee has shown much better speed feats from the looks of it :O

UchihaXSasuke

10-29-2011, 01:15 PM

why is itachi faster than sasuke?

[Shikamaru]

10-29-2011, 01:27 PM

Yeah it should be added. Gaara doesn't really move at all if his sand isn't moving for him.

I wonder how fast Gaara is himself. Minus the huge gourd weighing him down.

I really don't see how Naruto>Lee. Lee has shown much better speed feats from the looks of it :O
What feats prove Lee is faster than SM Naruto?

Also, the speed of Gaara's sand would force me to add the 4th Kazekage as well.

Along with other people's Jutsu speed, and probably move Kakashi higher due to his Kamui reactions.

This is straying from the idea of the three main criteria.

I really wanted to stay with only body reactions, foot speed and perception, but I guess I'll have to add Jutsu as well, and that's an entirely different list in itself.

Added Madara above Itachi.

Uchiha Sora

10-29-2011, 09:01 PM

;5648847']What feats prove Lee is faster than SM Naruto?

Also, the speed of Gaara's sand would force me to add the 4th Kazekage as well.

Along with other people's Jutsu speed, and probably move Kakashi higher due to his Kamui reactions.

This is straying from the idea of the three main criteria.

I really wanted to stay with only body reactions, foot speed and perception, but I guess I'll have to add Jutsu as well, and that's an entirely different list in itself.

Added Madara above Itachi.
I mean... you don't need to, i mean Gaara IS his sand.. you might as well put the sand somewhere separate on the list o_O or don't include Gaara at all and just base it on the sand's speed since Gaara never moves anyway unless the sand is moving for him

See, bodily reactions and foot speed don't matter to gaara since his sand reacts for him, and he rides on his sand instead of running o_O Perception is a different story.

Ooor Just base Gaara on this:
Sand Speed
Sand Reaction Speed
Gaara's Perception

Well enough about Gaara...

Well I really don't see how SM Naruto could pull off an Extreme Lotus... or blitz Gaara.. I don't see how SM Naruto's really fast at all

[Shikamaru]

10-29-2011, 10:07 PM

It was stated earlier in the thread.

SM Naruto blitzed the 3rd Raikage, who dodged multiple Rasenshurikens.

Lotus has no features.

I just read up on some old chapters, it looks like Kisame might have reacted to gated guy in a few instances, I'm looking to maybe put him higher. But he only reacted with Jutsu, which is another problem.

If I'm considering Jutsu, Deidara needs to be higher since Gaara's sand couldn't capture him, even with a desert supply.

Just seems like a cop out. I don't really want to add Jutsu.

VGM

10-29-2011, 10:46 PM

Hahah I was going to come in here saying if you would count Dediara's clay bird's and Gaara's sand that they should be ranked higher.

I mean, if Deidara and Gaara were to blitz, it would be with those respective jutsus. Saying that, Dediara would be at least faster than Kakashi. And if Gaara's 'lighter sand' is permanent (Onooki made it lighter) it will probably have greater speed and reaction feats itself.

Idk, would the list change dramatically if you counted moving using jutsu?

Uchiha Sora

10-30-2011, 01:12 PM

;5650738']It was stated earlier in the thread.

SM Naruto blitzed the 3rd Raikage, who dodged multiple Rasenshurikens.

Lotus has no features.

If I'm considering Jutsu, Deidara needs to be higher since Gaara's sand couldn't capture him, even with a desert supply.

He didn't really blitz him..he only dodged an attack and rasengan'd

How is Lee not faster? I never understood how he isn't faster than Sasuke and Naruto. It looks like he's as fast as A to me <.< Chapter 85 page 17

When did Gaara miss him? Don't remember that.

Isoteen

11-09-2011, 11:50 AM

He didn't really blitz him..he only dodged an attack and rasengan'd

How is Lee not faster? I never understood how he isn't faster than Sasuke and Naruto. It looks like he's as fast as A to me <.< Chapter 85 page 17

When did Gaara miss him? Don't remember that.
That's the same thing as blitzing. 3rd Raikage couldn't react.

Majority of the battle I'd say.

His arms were unable to grab hold of Deidara. He was on the clay bird for quite awhile.

Problem being the only one Lee blitzed was PTS Gaara.

It's all about features.

Super Sanin 3

11-09-2011, 01:25 PM

Isoteen

11-09-2011, 01:33 PM

What happened was Gaara used large amounts of slow sand and was unable to grab Deidara. He eventually surprised him but Deidara bombed his way out. While in the process of getting on his 2nd bird he was caught by the faster chakra-infused sand.
I wouldn't say that makes Deidara slow. When you can maneuver around sand that was large enough to barricade a village, than you're pretty fast.

His arm was caught by the sand from behind, he dodged majority of the slow and faster infused sand.

[Shikamaru]

12-02-2011, 11:57 PM

Gotta add Hanzo, Muu, 2nd Mizukage, Onoki, Mifune, Darui, Kinkaku and Ginkaku and several Jichurikis, along with the puppet master Kabuto. Anyone want to help me out?

Lol though it will be difficult.

See below the OP to find out what some interesting topics to debate might be.

vonshadow

12-03-2011, 03:52 AM

;5730948']Gotta add Hanzo, Muu, 2nd Mizukage, Onoki, Mifune, Darui, Kinkaku and Ginkaku and several Jichurikis, along with the puppet master Kabuto. Anyone want to help me out?

Lol though it will be difficult.

See below the OP to find out what some interesting topics to debate might be.

Hanzo has no speed feats what so ever; Mifune as well. On the earlier post Minato should be first followed by RS Naruto then A. Why??? A said RS Naruto is only the 2nd person to be able to dodge his full powered Raiton Armor
Chapter 544 page 14

heroeking

12-03-2011, 07:24 AM

Tobi should be higher, he reacted to the 4th Raikage and Minato.

Sasuke should be above Orochimaru. He chidori'd the 4th Raikage, and dodged a v1 lariat.

vonshadow

12-03-2011, 07:26 AM

Tobi should be higher, he reacted to the 4th Raikage and Minato.

Sasuke should be above Orochimaru. He chidori'dthe 4th Hokage, and dodged a v1 lariat.

i think you mean raikage. but he doing that might be because of the sharingan

heroeking

12-03-2011, 07:27 AM

i think you mean raikage. but he doing that might be because of the sharingan

That's still part of Sasuke.

vonshadow

12-03-2011, 07:29 AM

That's still part of Sasuke.

didnt sasuke get lariated by Bee in V1 chakra cloak.

heroeking

12-03-2011, 07:31 AM

didnt sasuke get lariated by Bee in V1 chakra cloak.

Sasuke thought Bee was knocked out.

vonshadow

12-03-2011, 07:35 AM

Sasuke thought Bee was knocked out.

still if he was fast enough he would have reacted and dodged it plus his sharingan was active.

heroeking

12-03-2011, 07:38 AM

Naw. He had his mangekyo sharingan active, and tsukuyomi also hurts the user. After using tsukuyomi without only a ms the user is wide open for an attack.

For example after Itachi used tskuyomi on Kakashi, he just stood their. After using it on Sasuke twice he just stood their. Sasuke ached in pain after using it on Bee.

[Shikamaru]

12-03-2011, 08:37 PM

Hanzo has no speed feats what so ever; Mifune as well. On the earlier post Minato should be first followed by RS Naruto then A. Why??? A said RS Naruto is only the 2nd person to be able to dodge his full powered Raiton Armor
Chapter 544 page 14
The list is based on features not dialogue. A has better speed features than both of them.

That's a good point heroking, however Orochimaru evading KN4 Chakra arms, to me, still seems like a better feature, as he was multiple wide leaps behind the area where the chakra arms ascended from the earth initially.

Sasuke did evade Raikage's punch by dipping under and then stabbing him with Chidori, though he could not react afterwards when A pretty much grabbed him then power bombed. Sasuke most likely dodged because of his sharingan, which predicts linear movement and allows Sasuke to move around it, it doesn't make him faster than Raikage if we're talking straight sprinting.

Same feature with Sasuke evading the KN3 KB lariat, he evaded it only because it was linear and predictable, that does not mean he can physically move faster than KN3 KB.

We still have a few people who need to be placed on the list, Darui, Onoki, Mu, Jinchrikis, Kabuto, and Asura Path. Also I have Deva Path up top, but should that really be Nagato? I mean his feature of appearing behind Bee after using Shinra Tensei in the war arc was pretty fast.

Though I'm not sure if the Jinchurikis are moving at the speed of Tobi since he's in control, or if they are responsible for their own speed. Which may end up contradicting me putting Deva Path up top.

Please look over the list and tell me anyone else who needs to be added. Honestly, I doubt I remembered everyone from the shinobi war arc.

Devils Lawyer

12-03-2011, 09:27 PM

Minato's reaction and overall technique speed is faster than anyone on that list. Foot speed hardly matter when reaction speed dominates shinobi fights. Not to mention Minato can cover any distance faster than any of them.

[Shikamaru]

12-03-2011, 09:32 PM

I'm watching you type sentences with virtually no features backing it.

Reacting to A blitzing via Thunder God doesn't make him faster.

RS Naruto barely evading A blitzing doesn't make him faster.

Foot features dominate this tier list.

The only reason he's up top is because he's hyped to be fast, and basically ported to save Kushina from Kyuubi dropping a fist on her, then appearing on a tree a quarter mile away in less than a second.

Devils Lawyer

12-03-2011, 09:39 PM

;5734355']I'm watching you type sentences with virtually no features backing it.

Reacting to A blitzing via Thunder God doesn't make him faster.

RS Naruto barely evading A blitzing doesn't make him faster.

LoL it requires his natural reaction time to even use the jutsu. He personally has to activate the jutsu each and everytime he uses the jutsu. When A tried to blitz him he waited till the last moment. Key word waited meaning he had plenty of time in the world to get a kunai off he wanted to. Hence A never being capable of blitzing Minato. I honestly don't even have to bring any more proof on the subject matter. The fact you Have A at the top is proof enough you are just a fanboy of A. Blatantly ignoring the fact that both Minato and Naruto are faster. Basically you are just calling the manga a lie. Thus why I am having fun pointing out your denial.

[Shikamaru]

12-03-2011, 10:37 PM

LoL it requires his natural reaction time to even use the jutsu. He personally has to activate the jutsu each and everytime he uses the jutsu. When A tried to blitz him he waited till the last moment. Key word waited meaning he had plenty of time in the world to get a kunai off he wanted to. Hence A never being capable of blitzing Minato. I honestly don't even have to bring any more proof on the subject matter. The fact you Have A at the top is proof enough you are just a fanboy of A. Blatantly ignoring the fact that both Minato and Naruto are faster. Basically you are just calling the manga a lie. Thus why I am having fun pointing out your denial.
Again reacting doesn't mean he's physically faster.

Not really, Thunder God is used basically instantly through mental agreement. Similar to Susano, or even A's Cloak.

You can't really prove he waited. It's all speculation, doesn't really make a difference whether or not he waited. It's not a foot feature.

You didn't bring any proof. You provided features of him transporting with pre-placed Kunai. Then you attempted to lure me in with a theory on how this man knows how to repress chakra with seals. Where you had no such features.

Diagloue in the manga is speculation. The features given are what we debate.

Minato has no impressive foot features.

Nor has anyone in the manga stated he has chakra repression seals, or even hinted at the theory.

Enjoy it as no features agree with you. Do write another paragraph calling me bro, and how I'm in denial. With again, no features.

Devils Lawyer

12-03-2011, 10:54 PM

;5734540']Again reacting doesn't mean he's physically faster.

Not really, Thunder God is used basically instantly through mental agreement. Similar to Susano, or even A's Cloak.

You can't really prove he waited. It's all speculation, doesn't really make a difference whether or not he waited. It's not a foot feature.

You didn't bring any proof. You provided features of him transporting with pre-placed Kunai. Then you attempted to lure me in with a theory on how this man knows how to repress chakra with seals. Where you had no such features.

Diagloue in the manga is speculation. The features given are what we debate.

Minato has no impressive foot features.

Nor has anyone in the manga stated he has chakra repression seals, or even hinted at the theory.

Enjoy it as no features agree with you. Do write another paragraph calling me bro, and how I'm in denial. With again, no features.

But alas I am going to have to point out you denial again bro. Minato's and his thundergod technique is already proven to be the faster technique. Well aside from Mabui technique but both are similiar. Proof I have provided proof in every post. You my friend are just blatantly ignoring the manga. A said he was faster. Man it's okay though I know. I know bro denial is a powerful drug. Man just take it one day at a time and you can shake that monkey off your back.

[Shikamaru]

12-03-2011, 10:59 PM

But alas I am going to have to point out you denial again bro. Minato's and his thundergod technique is already proven to be the faster technique. Well aside from Mabui technique but both are similiar. Proof I have provided proof in every post. You my friend are just blatantly ignoring the manga. A said he was faster. Man it's okay though I know. I know bro denial is a powerful drug. Man just take it one day at a time and you can shake that monkey off your back.
I'll accept your concession.

Until you post a valid feature of Minato touching A without Thunder God.

He's not faster.

Though do take this negative rep and hopefully you'll stop saying bro, bro.

Devils Lawyer

12-03-2011, 11:16 PM

;5734595']I'll accept your concession.

Until you post a valid feature of Minato touching A without Thunder God.

He's not faster.

Though do take this negative rep and hopefully you'll stop saying bro, bro.

LoL prove that A is fast without his raiton cloak. That is how asinine your statement is. You seem a little angry bro. One might even go as far as say that you are mad. So the question is.

http://troll.me/images/trololo/u-mad-bro.jpg

[Shikamaru]

12-03-2011, 11:20 PM

LoL prove that A is fast without his raiton cloak. That is how asinine your statement is. You seem a little angry bro. One might even go as far as say that you are mad. So the question is.

http://troll.me/images/trololo/u-mad-bro.jpg
Oh you didn't post a feature?

Then I'm not mad.

I'll wait another 20 minutes for you to post a sentence with bro in it, but nothing about the manga.

Honestly at this rate, you're well on your way to proving nothing.

Don't bother posting again unless you have a feature. I'm not going to reply if you don't.

I've debated on two separate threads where you had virtually no features. Quite frankly I was the only one to post an actual foot feature by Minato.

Devils Lawyer

12-03-2011, 11:35 PM

;5734669']Oh you didn't post a feature?

Then I'm not mad.

I'll wait another 20 minutes for you to post a sentence with bro in it, but nothing about the manga.

Honestly at this rate, you're well on your way to proving nothing.

Don't bother posting again unless you have a feature. I'm not going to reply if you don't.

I've debated on two separate threads where you had virtually no features. Quite frankly I was the only one to post an actual foot feature by Minato.

But yet I have over and over and over again. Bro you are just high on denial. You don't even know how ridculous your arguement is. You just said prove that Minato is fast without the thunder god. No s-hit bro he is not as fast as A without his technique. But neither is A as fast as half that list without his cloak. You wanna a cookie for your discovery.:lol:

All that matters at the end of the day is Minato has the faster technique.

[Shikamaru]

12-03-2011, 11:38 PM

Then that ends all speculation for him being above A on this list.

vonshadow

12-04-2011, 05:48 AM

But yet I have over and over and over again. Bro you are just high on denial. You don't even know how ridculous your arguement is. You just said prove that Minato is fast without the thunder god. No s-hit bro he is not as fast as A without his technique. But neither is A as fast as half that list without his cloak. You wanna a cookie for your discovery.:lol:

All that matters at the end of the day is Minato has the faster technique.
I have to agree that A without his raiton cloak is not as fast as Minato. Minato without his FTG jutsu is still faster than A. Do you realize how fast Minato is??
Chapter 501 page 3: Managed to catch baby Naruto before Tobi stabbed him; no FTG used.

Devils Lawyer

12-04-2011, 06:39 AM

The majority of his fight with Tobi is on foot. He hardly used a seal in that fight. Tobi is currently fighting Naruto and Bee.

vonshadow

12-04-2011, 06:47 AM

The majority of his fight with Tobi is on foot. He hardly used a seal in that fight. Tobi is currently fighting Naruto and Bee.

And Minato has been showed great speed feats when he rescued baby Naruto from Tobi.

Midnight789

12-04-2011, 07:05 AM

Guys, didnt Naruto do the same thing when he saved Sakura, Sasuke was inches away from killing her. The same with Tobi and baby Naruto!, He too was inches from ending Naruto but Minato came out of no where!, I believe its all plot, unless you Guys believe that Base Naruto is faster than Base A.

also why is Lee so Low!!!!!!!!!!!!, he should be infront of Killer Bee!!, What has killer Bee shown that is atleast comparable to Lee in the 4th Gate, ANd that was just the 4th Gate!!, Gai can go up to the 7th Gate!!! and still he is below Killer Bee, This is Outrageous!

vonshadow

12-04-2011, 07:10 AM

LUCKY.KAKASHI

12-04-2011, 08:53 AM

u should add the mezokage with sharingan , he reacted to both naruto kn and bee at the same time and made mirror jutsu successfully .

321zigzag3

12-04-2011, 08:57 AM

Guys, didnt Naruto do the same thing when he saved Sakura

In a way it is sort of plot. So its not 100%.

Gai can go up to the 7th Gate!!! and still he is below Killer Bee, This is Outrageous!

Yes Gai 6th -7th gate > Killerbee in speed.

But for Rock Lee well it depends on the gates.

Well because base Bee managed to blitz A in V1 and lariated him

Base Bee never blitzed A in V1.

They clashed equally in Lariat. At least that was Kishi's intention.

Kuromaki

12-04-2011, 01:25 PM

Guys, didnt Naruto do the same thing when he saved Sakura, Sasuke was inches away from killing her. The same with Tobi and baby Naruto!, He too was inches from ending Naruto but Minato came out of no where!, I believe its all plot, unless you Guys believe that Base Naruto is faster than Base A.
Since Tobi complimented Minato on his speed, I believe it's meant to showcase his speed, and the author intended for that to prove that he is fast without Hiraishin. The Naruto saving Sakura issue is different although it wasn't the first time Sage Mode Naruto saved someone like that.

heroeking

12-04-2011, 02:17 PM

Why is sage mode Naruto so high?

[Shikamaru]

12-04-2011, 02:18 PM

Because it's fast? Lol

Also I highly doubt V2 Killer Bee is slower than Gated Guy.

Anyway can we address those on the OP who have yet to be put onto the list?

Kuromaki

12-04-2011, 06:38 PM

Darui reacted to and stopped a charge from Sasuke and dodged some attacks from Kin/Ginkaku. He should be like Hidan or Kakashi level.

Naruto & Minato being above the Raikage has already been implied by the manga and stated by the Raikage himself, at the least they could all be on the same level because of their similar levels of speed.

J-Sun Tasogare

12-04-2011, 06:39 PM

Darui imo is higher than Kakashi in base speed, but slower in reaction.

[Shikamaru]

12-04-2011, 06:40 PM

I'm not moving A below them, they don't have the features.

That's it. Edit it if you disagree lol

Anyway I'll add Darui above Hidan. Any disagreements?

Now that leaves Kinkaku and Ginkaku, Kabuto and Mu/Onoki.

Edit: Sorry for being stubborn. :l

Kuromaki

12-04-2011, 06:44 PM

They don't need feats when it was said by A himself, although they do have feats that are rather impressive.

You could make it A/KM Naruto/Minato to prevent further disagreement, but I'll stick to thinking that the latter two are faster.

321zigzag3

12-04-2011, 06:44 PM

I could say many things but really though the concept of a tier list is so different to many that its better to leave it be. Its best to be general though. Singular linear list rarely works in my opinion.

Darui is definitely above Hidan.

Kinkaku and Ginkaku technically have nothing but they should be at least high tier jounin level of speed whatever that is.

there v2 speed is greater but we don't know how much.

Kabuto is unknown.

Mu and Onoki are fast flyers, in Mu's case he was able to at least perceive KCM Naruto's attack before being hit. Muu even believed his attack was faster until Naruto extended the extra chakra arm.

Devils Lawyer

12-04-2011, 06:44 PM

;5736777']I'm not moving A below them, they don't have the features.

That's it. Edit it if you disagree lol

Anyway I'll add Darui above Hidan. Any disagreements?

Now that leaves Kinkaku and Ginkaku, Kabuto and Mu/Onoki.

Edit: Sorry for being stubborn. :l

Denial:lol:

[Shikamaru]

12-04-2011, 06:46 PM

Denial:lol:
Wait, has Naruto or Minato blitzed A?

Oh, yeah, they didn't.

Stop post farming, please.

Devils Lawyer

12-04-2011, 07:09 PM

;5736796']Wait, has Naruto or Minato blitzed A?

Oh, yeah, they didn't.

Stop post farming, please.

Oh wait has Naruto and Minato both proven to be faster than A.

Oh yeah they did.

Oh wait has A outright declared they are both faster than him.

Oh yeah he did.

Denial.:lol:

[Shikamaru]

12-04-2011, 07:16 PM

Oh wait has Naruto and Minato both proven to be faster than A.

Oh yeah they did.

Oh wait has A outright declared they are both faster than him.

Oh yeah he did.

Denial.:lol:
You forgot to add bro this time

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfyyj6RpNg1qafrh6.png

Devils Lawyer

12-04-2011, 07:26 PM

;5736903']You forgot to add bro this time

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfyyj6RpNg1qafrh6.png

Nice pic of you crying and trying to tune out facts. Denial bro denial

[Shikamaru]

12-04-2011, 07:50 PM

Nice pic of you crying and trying to tune out facts. Denial bro denial
Alright things are back to normal.

Chō

12-05-2011, 10:53 PM

Itachi clearly had faster foot-speed than Kirābī. Nagato warned Kirābī of Itachi's shunshin, and then Itachi warned Kirābī himself.

321zigzag3

12-06-2011, 11:19 AM

I agree with that Itachi's shunshin or footspeed or movement overall > Killerbee's.

[Shikamaru]

12-06-2011, 11:35 AM

Killer Bee is on the top 6 tier, do you guys conceded V2 KB > Base Itachi?

Gotta put Mu and Onoki in, need suggestions for spots. I read Kuromaki's, and she had him reacting and dodging RS Naruto and believing his attack was faster than him. So I'm thinking of spotting him under Sasuke, while Onoki under Mu.

Ginkaku and Kinkaku will be put below Zabuza.

Gonna put Tsunade higher.

Also still trying to find a spot for Jinchurikis, and Asura Path.

Should the 2nd Mizukage be on this list as well?

paradigm1977

12-06-2011, 12:59 PM

I could swear that in the anime Hidan said he was the slowest in Akatski. Maybe a poor translation. Maybe my memory. But I have thought that a long time.

Unfortunately, Sasori looked nothing special, but is supposed to be very fast. Just not enough to be a speed guy.

[Shikamaru]

12-06-2011, 01:16 PM

Midnight789

12-06-2011, 04:14 PM

This is bull!!, Rock Lee Produced the same if not close to the same speed as Killer Bee did when he hit Kisame. The only difference is that Rock Lee Destroyed the area simply by moving, when he hit Gaara. And This was Lee in The 4th Gate.

Gai needs to be moved up and so does Lee, Both are beyond the force of Nature.lol

[Shikamaru]

12-06-2011, 04:16 PM

Mid don't be hating on KB.

Base Killer Bee is amazing in speed.

Adding V2 Cloak I honestly don't see how either of them even hit him.

vonshadow

12-09-2011, 04:13 PM

Just wondering. How fast is Oonoki actually ???

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 04:15 PM

Caught up to Deidara, who evaded Gaara's sand majority of the time.

He also slammed the clam relatively fast.

Mu reacted to RS Naruto blitzing while flying, and they are relatively similar in flying speed but differ in reaction.

Deidara should be put up higher quite honestly, but people would QQ (cry) because he flies mainly, and I wanted it to be basically foot and reactions.

Mu has amazing foot speed, but I had to stick Onoki on because quite frankly he flies very fast and he evaded Mu's invisible blindside quickly even with Gaara's warning.

Gotta put Deidara higher.

vonshadow

12-09-2011, 04:18 PM

I remember that Onoki appeared behind Muu rather fast and placed super aggravated rock technique on Muu after Muu got hit with Planetary rasengan.

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 04:20 PM

Really? Well Mu split when hit with that Rasengan, so he reacted initially.

Therefore he remains superior.

vonshadow

12-09-2011, 04:23 PM

;5747814']Really? Well Mu split when hit with that Rasengan, so he reacted initially.

Therefore he remains superior.

Ya I guess so. But Onoki also proved he was pretty fast. Check it out Chapter 553 pg 6

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 04:25 PM

Ah the meteor reaction?

Yup he's fast, but Mu probably could do that also.

He couldn't lift it though haha. That's Onoki's earth jutsu there.

vonshadow

12-09-2011, 04:28 PM

;5747827']Ah the meteor reaction?

Yup he's fast, but Mu probably could do that also.

He couldn't lift it though haha. That's Onoki's earth jutsu there.

Hahaha lifting it is a different thing. But his super light weight rock technique can help him there like he did to the initial meteor.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 04:59 PM

i don't understand why lee is not much higher. without weights him and sasuke are about equal in speed. with at least up to the 5th gate he is so many times faster. his hidden lotus causes him to casually bounce gaara around the preliminary area and get behind him each time with his sand being way behind. Also a little hype should be put into the though to just assume even though tobi reacted to fu and torune how does that make him higher than lee? i'm not saying Tobi<Lee but i am saying gated Lee speed>Tobi in foot speed. i believe Lee should be moved to somewhere around madara seeing as how everyone above him has had either 1 feat or has just reacted. Both SM naruto and jiraiya don't deserve to be above. SM jiraiya blitzed human path. ok. Naruto "Blitzed" Asura path. Ok. but how fast are these paths to just put them above lee? Naruto reacted to 3rd Raikage. Just how fast is the 3rd Raikage? as far as i know the 3rd raikage has good reaction feats but no blitzing feats.

My point is Lee needs to be higher. The people above him who had casual reaction feat don't. reaction=/Speed

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 05:04 PM

Difference being Sasuke has a 3 tome Sharingan.

Tobi managed to react to 7 gated Guy's cyclone kick by going intangible.

He also managed to cover over 500 meters by leaping the distance from the Jinchurikis to the fallen 8 tails before the smoke from the push went away.

Which in my observation is the fastest speed feature I've ever seen.

Gated Lee has no speed features other than out pacing sand shield.

SM Naruto evaded 3rd Raikage and hit him with Rasengan.

SM Jiraiya was easily outpacing majority of the paths, while blindsiding them in the process. Unfortunately the linked vision proved a problem for his needle blindsides.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 05:30 PM

;5747886']Difference being Sasuke has a 3 tome Sharingan.
???
Tobi managed to react to 7 gated Guy's cyclone kick by going intangible.
We Don't know that was 7th gate guy or not, we just know it was Guy with one of the gates above 3 Activated
He also managed to cover over 500 meters by leaping the distance from the Jinchurikis to the fallen 8 tails before the smoke from the push went away.
smoke lingers around so how fast the smoke would clear should not tell time. Also i don't think you could say it was 500 meters just by looking at a page in a book unless that was specified. How ever Long killer bee is in hachibi for stretched out is the size of the crater. Also like i said the smoke clearing can't qualify time as bee had just been hit and naruto was sent back with him. while they were stunned Tobi got to him not allowing them to react. Also that could have been tobi just teleporting as he was just seen underground
Which in my observation is the fastest speed feature I've ever seen.
I don't think so
Gated Lee has no speed features other than out pacing sand shield.
he was doing that before any gates. 5th gate takes him beyond that
SM Naruto evaded 3rd Raikage and hit him with Rasengan.
And like i said the 3rd Raikage has no Speed feats to prove that as a big deal. the 3rd only has reaction feats.
SM Jiraiya was easily outpacing majority of the paths, while blindsiding them in the process. Unfortunately the linked vision proved a problem for his needle blindsides.
he blitzed human. He then began to catch each path off guard but tell me is each path faster than Lee gated? then he proceeded to run to stall for time until his jutsu kicked in. then his arm was cut off and from their it went all down hill.
In blue

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 05:36 PM

The humans weren't visible in the picture, therefore hinting the size of both of the tailed beasts were very large.

The distance between them was larger.

And I think it's clear to say Kishimoto meant Tobi to be fast in that feature.

Guy about 3 gates is at top speed, anything else simply increases strength. You'll see in the following chapter that Guy was most likely in 7th gate.

If guy isn't shown opening anymore gates in the next chapter, then he was in 7th for that feature. So Tobi probably should be higher.

It wasn't him teleporting, he was shown jumping toward them in multiple pictures.

I do.

Not relevant.

Point being? His reaction speed was faster than Rasenshuriken, therefore his inability to react to a Rasengan blitz means SM Naruto > Rasenshuriken, which crossed a village sized crater in less than a second.

The space Jiraiya covered in SM to blindside Animal path is enough of a feat to say he's faster.

The difference between Jiraiya SM and Naruto SM is not very different.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 05:49 PM

;5747946']The humans weren't visible in the picture, therefore hinting the size of both of the tailed beasts were very large.

The distance between them was larger.
no. killer bee made that space by spinning so thats how big the space is. it didn't magically grow
And I think it's clear to say Kishimoto meant Tobi to be fast in that feature.
not to me. that doesn't even look like a feat to be mentioned. you can't tell me how long it took him to get to them. until then that is nothing to brag about
Guy about 3 gates is at top speed, anything else simply increases strength.
where is this stated?
It wasn't him teleporting, he was shown jumping toward them in multiple pictures.
ok
I do.
.
Not relevant.
and why not?
Point being? His reaction speed was faster than Rasenshuriken, therefore his inbability to react to a Rasengan blitz means SM Naruto > Rasenshuriken, which crossed a village sized crater in less than a second.
um reaction=/foot speed. He jumped and avoided the rasenshuriken from behind. If i jumped over a bullet can i stand next to the bullet and run faster than it, no.
The space Jiraiya covered in SM to blindside Animal path is enough of a feat to say he's faster.
(Chapter 85 Pg: 14-17) Lee disappeared and was bouncing around the entired preliminary room with ease to the point where no one could follow him
The difference between Jiraiya SM and Naruto SM is not very different.ok. but it's not very great either...
in blue again

VGM

12-09-2011, 05:56 PM

Hmph, to go onto a different debate on here, I'm sorta confused why Deidara is ranked slower than people like Hidan and Asuma, as what speed feats did they really have? Dediara has shown to be able to react to Sasuke, and it has been stated that he also has good perception abilities. Minato uses a Jutsu so travel, and I'm sure that's taken into consideration, so why can't Deidara's speed on his clay bird count too? As it has been shown that he is able to outpace Kakashi, and Gaara's sand while on it.

Even without the clay bird counting, let's not forget that he reacted to, dodged, and escaped a 4v1 against Team Guy... with no arms. I'd still say non-Gated Guy is faster than Asuma and Hidan... and with the addition of Deidara's reaction and perception, I have no clue why he's ranked below them.

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 06:00 PM

Dude he threw Killer Bee full form a good 500 meters comparing to the humans and V2 Jinchuriki clearly not being visible in this picture.

The scale is obvious.

Tobi clearly leaped that distance quite fast. Fast enough for Killer Bee not to recover and fast enough for the dust around killer be to still be lingering. While on the entire path he was thrown the dust was gone.

Dude just look at chapter 566 page 12, narutobase.net. He also moved fast enough to avoid the chakra arm coming toward him.

1. He probably was 7 gates
2. It's not relevant because all he did was blitz the sand faster this time, same feature
3. We're not talking about foot speed. The 3rd Raikage reacted and dodged Rasenshuriken in close range, yet he could not react to SM Naruto in close range. Therefore SM Naruto > Rasenshuriken.
4. Chapter 379 page 2 narutobase.net. Jiraiya manages to blitz before Animal path can even make a seal. Do you understand how fast that is?

If SM Naruto > Rasenshuriken

Then so is SM Jiraiya

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 06:59 PM

;5748004']Dude he threw Killer Bee full form a good 500 meters comparing to the humans and V2 Jinchuriki clearly not being visible in this picture.

The scale is obvious.

Tobi clearly leaped that distance quite fast. Fast enough for Killer Bee not to recover and fast enough for the dust around killer be to still be lingering. While on the entire path he was thrown the dust was gone.

Dude just look at chapter 566 page 12, narutobase.net. He also moved fast enough to avoid the chakra arm coming toward him.

1. He probably was 7 gates
2. It's not relevant because all he did was blitz the sand faster this time, same feature
3. We're not talking about foot speed. The 3rd Raikage reacted and dodged Rasenshuriken in close range, yet he could not react to SM Naruto in close range. Therefore SM Naruto > Rasenshuriken.
4. Chapter 379 page 2 narutobase.net. Jiraiya manages to blitz before Animal path can even make a seal. Do you understand how fast that is?

If SM Naruto > Rasenshuriken

Then so is SM Jiraiya

1. Assumption
2. The fact he could not be seen and moved so fast the ground below him was destroyed and increase on an already amazing feat is not the same
3.when reacting to RS he saw the attack and reacted. When naruto dodged his attack and counter attacked while his guard was down. SM naruto>/ rasenshuriken
4. Please inform me how fast it is

SM naruto=SM jiraiya is an assumption. They are two different people with different fighting styles and different feats

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 07:02 PM

1. Assumption
2. The fact he could not be seen and moved so fast the ground below him was destroyed and increase on an already amazing feat is not the same
3.when reacting to RS he saw the attack and reacted. When naruto dodged his attack and counter attacked while his guard was down. SM naruto>/ rasenshuriken
4. Please inform me how fast it is

SM naruto=SM jiraiya is an assumption. They are two different people with different fighting styles and different feats
1. It is no more an assumption than you saying he's in 3 gates. You'll see though in next chapter he's in 7 gates
2. Craters suggest power, not really speed.
3. Not at all, he reacted twice to the Rasenshuriken. And why would his guard be down, he was blitzing full force with Nukite?
4. How fast what is? SM Jiraiya moving 35 feet before Animal path even makes a single seal to summon? Very fast.

Sage Mode chakra is what makes them both fast. Are you insinuating Naruto's sage chakra is somehow faster than Jiraiyas? LOL

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 07:15 PM

;5748163']1. It is no more an assumption than you saying he's in 3 gates. You'll see though in next chapter he's in 7 gates
2. Craters suggest power, not really speed.
3. Not at all, he reacted twice to the Rasenshuriken. And why would his guard be down, he was blitzing full force with Nukite?
4. How fast what is? SM Jiraiya moving 35 feet before Animal path even makes a single seal to summon? Very fast.

1.ok irrelevant for now
2. It wasn't just a single crater. The break in the ground followed him where ever he moved because his speed is so great
3. It called a counter attack. You can't attack and defend at the same time. It the same thing minato did to tobi. Tobi was attacking so he could not react when counter attacked.
4. Chapter 85 pg 14. From distance of same chapter pg 3. Where is that 35 feet coming from?

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 07:26 PM

2. Yeah the amount is irrelevant. It still suggests power, since Gated Guy and many other high speed ninja never made such craters.
3. Yeah you can, he should have at least noticed SM was coming for him.
4. An assumption, but the feature for Jiraiya is just as impressive.

No doubt lee is fast in gates, but he needs more features.

But I still need to add Jinchurikis in, as well as Asura Path, Kabuto and move Tobi up. If you want to debate those.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 07:50 PM

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 07:58 PM

i would still like to see Lee atleast maybe right behind Itachi in this list cause flying or not onoki was only keeping up with Deidara on a bird and Muu and him seem to be about the same speed. they may have shown reaction feats that i'm to lazy to look at but like i said Reaction does not make you the fastest.

Also i would like to note when KB used a Lariat and launched from his position to blitz his foes a crater was never made. Tobi i believe is fine but the feat you spoke of can't be calced because you don't know when he started to move towards them or how long it took him to get their. all you know is KB was sent flying with naruto in hand and then as they were recovering Tobi appears infront of Naruto. That to me should not be input as a speed feat as they did not show him moving towards then nor was it an reaction feat. Jinchurikis need more time an Kabuto is ???.

My suggestions: Lee moved Below Itachi, also KB above Deva path. KB reacted to FTG and in base threw his swords and ran faster than his sword in a different direction to meet the sword at kisame. Also Kisame reacted to a V1 bee but could not begin to do anything about a V2 bee. Deva dodged RS which is not faster than FTG. Deva also paced with KN6 naruto as you say but then again all he did was run away and they were in some kind of forest area so he had cover. If even faster KN6 shouldn't be to far of from v2 KB as the other Jinchuriki Are in V2 and raping naruto though he may not be a hundred oercent serious and they have shared vision and sharingans. Still KB has shown better feats than Deva in both reaction and Foot speed
Mu reacted to RS Naruto. Onoki paced with him.

It's highly doubtful Tobi would begin jumping toward them before they were launched, so quite honestly I stand firm with that feature mainly because he reacted to Kakashi and Guy right after that. Tobi in the process moved past the Chakra arm and grabbed Naruto nearly.

I take your suggestion into consideration, but Lee stays. Deva Path reacted to Rasenshuriken without knowledge and was able to out pace KN6 Naruto, which should be the fastest V2 form in the manga.

V2 Jinchurikis have already blitzed RS Naruto, the "fastest ninja in the manga", so quite frankly if Deva Path paced with KN6 than he should be faster than RS Naruto. So he's not being moved.

As for the FTG he most likely anticipated Minato would appear behind him, and so he readied his blade. However nothing suggests that he has faster reaction or base movement than Deva Path in base.

V2 Killer Bee, Nagato reacted and drained his cloak, and Deva Path basically has the reactions of Nagato.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 08:27 PM

;5748297']Mu reacted to RS Naruto. Onoki paced with him.
naruto can't move mid air nor fly. He jumped above him and was going for a sneak attack. Not naruto speed but gravity
It's highly doubtful Tobi would begin jumping toward them before they were launched, so quite honestly I stand firm with that feature mainly because he reacted to Kakashi and Guy right after that. Tobi in the process moved past the Chakra arm and grabbed Naruto nearly.
hm I don't know bout that one
I take your suggestion into consideration, but Lee stays. Deva Path reacted to Rasenshuriken without knowledge and was able to out pace KN6 Naruto, which should be the fastest V2 form in the manga.
You haven't told me why lee stays when I proved he really needs to move up. You can't even give me any feats that jiraiya possesses that are greater than Lee's feat I showed you ch. 85 pages 14-17. Chakra=/speed. Because the 9 tails has the most tails does not mean it is the fastest. The 3 tail moves in water but I'm sure the 2 tailed cat can out run it.
V2 Jinchurikis have already blitzed RS Naruto, the "fastest ninja in the manga", so quite frankly if Deva Path paced with KN6 than he should be faster than RS Naruto. So he's not being moved.
RS is not the fastest. Raikage kept up with him everything. Naruto reacted to his blitz. Had naruto been blitzing Raikage he would have reacted to naruto. He reacted to a point blank chakra blast and ammy. KN6=/RS naruto. RS naruto>>>KN6
As for the FTG he most likely anticipated Minato would appear behind him, and so he readied his blade. However nothing suggests that he has faster reaction or base movement than Deva Path in base.
ch. 543 pg 1 you see bee with both swords on his back and no one is aware that bee was tagged. Pg 2, bee reacts. Like I said FTG>RS. KB reactions>Devs reactions
V2 Killer Bee, Nagato reacted and drained his cloak, and Deva Path basically has the reactions of Nagato.
devs is a controlled corpse of a different person. Nagato didn't react, he allowed bee to hit him so he could absorb chakra

mine in blue

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 08:33 PM

The force leaped has a lot to do with speed. V2 A blitzed Minato with such force when he leaped above to strike him.

Trust me man.

There's not enough features man. Animal path has the reaction speed of Nagato, and Jiraiya blitzed him before he could make a seal.

I know RS Naruto isn't the fastest. Which is why A on MY list is first, I put the quotes there to illustrate the difference between RS and V2 Naruto. RS Naruto is slower than KN6, this is simple logic.

You can't react to FTG man, it's instantaneous. He anticipated he was behind him when he saw him disappeared. Nagato reacted to RS Naruto and V2 Killer Bee with chakra draining. Deva Path has the reactions of Nagato, and he paced with KN6 Naruto, he is faster.

Which is a reaction man. If he didn't eat the chakra that means he would have been blitzed. But he wasn't.

Adding Nagato's reaction speed to Deva's foot speed pacing with KN6, he is high tier speedster.

And quite frankly should be above RS Naruto.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 09:34 PM

;5748380']The force leaped has a lot to do with speed. V2 A blitzed Minato with such force when he leaped above to strike him.

Trust me man.

There's not enough features man. Animal path has the reaction speed of Nagato, and Jiraiya blitzed him before he could make a seal.

I know RS Naruto isn't the fastest. Which is why A on MY list is first, I put the quotes there to illustrate the difference between RS and V2 Naruto. RS Naruto is slower than KN6, this is simple logic.

You can't react to FTG man, it's instantaneous. He anticipated he was behind him when he saw him disappeared. Nagato reacted to RS Naruto and V2 Killer Bee with chakra draining. Deva Path has the reactions of Nagato, and he paced with KN6 Naruto, he is faster.

Which is a reaction man. If he didn't eat the chakra that means he would have been blitzed. But he wasn't.

Adding Nagato's reaction speed to Deva's foot speed pacing with KN6, he is high tier speedster.

And quite frankly should be above RS Naruto.

alright now you lost me.

nagato can't even really move so you can't compare his reactions to his paths.

show me a KN6 naruto speed feat that makes you believe him to be that fast that you would really say such nonsense as KN6>RM naruto.

if you can't prove the above then your really just hyping deva.

it is a manga so its not impossible to react to FTG. You can't say he didn't when he did and I showed you where.

lack of feats!? You have muu higher based on one feat. You have onoki higher on the assumption of him=muu. Animal path reaction is not the same as nagatos . Tobi doesn't move just like his paths. Jiraiya blitzed animal path with no real reaction feat, your just assuming. Jiraiya now has a lack of feats too. Lee has better feats than the above people in speed period and more than the likes of onoki and muu and even orochimaru who fought an immobilized opponent that just sent chakra out that you have 0 feAts to prove the speed of.

your just looking down on lee and just plain overrating deva paths speed based on something your assuming to be faster than RM naruto

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 09:39 PM

Gravity barely effects their leaping speed. Leaping= jumping off of objects at high speed with force.

Sure can, Nagato is the one controlling them, therefore he reacts.

V2 KN7 striking RS Naruto is enough of a feat.

You believe a small leak of Kyuubi chakra > 6 tails of Kyuubi chakra?

What? How can you react to something that takes no time whatsoever? There is no "act" to "react" to.

Yes it is, he controls him. . .

We're not talking about moving. We're talking about reacting.

Chakra arms have blitzed gangs of Zetsus, Mu himself, 3rd Raikage.

Killer Bee's chakra arms, which are probably slower saved RS Naruto multiple times.

At the very least RS Naruto = KN6 Naruto. Which already is faster than Lee.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 10:10 PM

;5748579']Gravity barely effects their leaping speed. Leaping= jumping off of objects at high speed with force.

Sure can, Nagato is the one controlling them, therefore he reacts.

V2 KN7 striking RS Naruto is enough of a feat.

You believe a small leak of Kyuubi chakra > 6 tails of Kyuubi chakra?

What? How can you react to something that takes no time whatsoever? There is no "act" to "react" to.

Yes it is, he controls him. . .

We're not talking about moving. We're talking about reacting.

Chakra arms have blitzed gangs of Zetsus, Mu himself, 3rd Raikage.

Killer Bee's chakra arms, which are probably slower saved RS Naruto multiple times.

At the very least RS Naruto = KN6 Naruto. Which already is faster than Lee.
naruto is clearly not serious right now. the jinchuriki aren't just blitzing naruto unless your sayin all jinchuriki above A?

RM naruto is all of the kyuubi's chakra in his control, its not a little bit. naruto just can't take a tailed form cause you have to be on equal terms with the beast. until then he appears in this mode which is all the chakra at once with none of the beasts will.

itachi reacted to lightning. reacting to FTG is not impossible. teleportation in leaving this dimension and reentering somewhere else. maybe a brief milisecond but time always passes.

chakra arms blitzed no one. they hit zetsus. also never hit the 3rd raikage. and muu was using a technique. that was not a blitz. btw KN4=/RM naruto. your using other naruto's feats like they are all the same

whether or not Lee is faster than naruto or not is not the issue. What i'm saying is that he is faster than Both SM's, Muu, Onoki, Orochimaru, and Tobi. Each has barely any feats but you keep telling me Lee barely has any feats when he does and those aren't even shippuden feats which he lack but it's common sense everyone got stronger

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 10:14 PM

naruto is clearly not serious right now. the jinchuriki aren't just blitzing naruto unless your sayin all jinchuriki above A?

RM naruto is all of the kyuubi's chakra in his control, its not a little bit. naruto just can't take a tailed form cause you have to be on equal terms with the beast. until then he appears in this mode which is all the chakra at once with none of the beasts will.

itachi reacted to lightning. reacting to FTG is not impossible. teleportation in leaving this dimension and reentering somewhere else. maybe a brief milisecond but time always passes.

chakra arms blitzed no one. they hit zetsus. also never hit the 3rd raikage. and muu was using a technique. that was not a blitz. btw KN4=/RM naruto. your using other naruto's feats like they are all the same

whether or not Lee is faster than naruto or not is not the issue. What i'm saying is that he is faster than Both SM's, Muu, Onoki, Orochimaru, and Tobi. Each has barely any feats but you keep telling me Lee barely has any feats when he does and those aren't even shippuden feats which he lack but it's common sense everyone got stronger
They aren't blitzing? Dude he was blitzed three times.

No it's a little bit. Which is why Kyuubi told him you could have more against Madara.

Lightning is not instant, the speed of light is not instant. It is the fastest thing measurable. Susano is instant, FTG is instant, Raikage's cloak initiation is instant. The release of chakra is instant.

The chakra arms hit all of the Zetsus. The chakra arm went past the 3rd Raikage, grabbed the Rasenshuriken which was moving at full speed, and threw it back again. They are by all means extremely fast.

And what I'm saying is Mu reacted to RS Naruto, Onoki reacted to Mu, Orochimaru reacted to KN4 chakra arms, and Tobi reacted to gated guy and his feature in the recent chapter looks valid.

Kill3r_B-st

12-09-2011, 10:49 PM

;5748697']They aren't blitzing? Dude he was blitzed three times.
so jinchurki's way faster than A and are the fastest in the narutoverse history sense even A couldn't blitz naruto?
No it's a little bit. Which is why Kyuubi told him you could have more against Madara.
um the kyuubi gave him some after he ran out of chakra. as you can see he wasn't in his chakra form anymore
Lightning is not instant, the speed of light is not instant. It is the fastest thing measurable. Susano is instant, FTG is instant, Raikage's cloak initiation is instant. The release of chakra is instant.
And apparently KB can't react to something thats instant. your just making the feat even more amazing
The chakra arms hit all of the Zetsus. The chakra arm went past the 3rd Raikage, grabbed the Rasenshuriken which was moving at full speed, and threw it back again. They are by all means extremely fast.
zetsus are foder and chapter 554 page 3-4. naruto is holding onto the rasenshuriken with chakra arms then throws it at the raikages back. using his new speed he appears at the rasenshuriken catches it then throws it back. that was his speed not chakra arm speed. chakra arms still have 0 feat
And what I'm saying is Mu reacted to RS Naruto, Onoki reacted to Mu, Orochimaru reacted to KN4 chakra arms, and Tobi reacted to gated guy and his feature in the recent chapter looks valid.
Chapter 553 page 1-2. Muu is a sensor. that is why he reacted. also on page 2 you see their is nothing behind naruto that he could have jumped off meaning he was falling toward Muu for a sneak attack. sense naruto can't jump off air that was just a normal fall. if this is true then that also disproves onoki. i already proved chakra arms to have 0 really good feats so bye-bye oro, and Tobi reacted to gated guy and that is all. like i said though and like your tier list suggests reactions aren't everything seeing as how A is at the top yet Naruto and Minato reacted to his fastest blitz. like i said before Reaction=/Speed. Tobi has no speed feats but going intangible to avoid Gated guy is good i guess.

Lee still deserves to be above those 4 cause you still don't have good reasons to have them above him.

[Shikamaru]

12-09-2011, 11:00 PM

Dude Muu reacted to chakra arms.

And yes at this rate V2 Jinchurikis are near the top of the tier list.

Exactly, meaning RS Naruto did not receive all of the Kyuubis chakra initially, so it is not stronger than tailed cloak.

Chapter 554 page 3-4 is the chakra arm catching the Rasenshuriken again and throwing it back. That is a feature that is faster than the Rasenshuriken, which traveled across a village sized crater in a second.

It's not a feature dude. Nothing in the viable universe can react to something that does not take any time whatsoever.

It doesn't matter if he's a sensor, he reacted to chakra arms and a falling RS Naruto, which is still very fast.

All the reactions needed are compiled from dodging and reacting to chakra arms. Mu split before the arm hit him as well as reacting to sand arms appearing from the ground, Oniki kept pace with Mu, Orochimaru shadow snaked chakra arms while evading them, and Tobi moved past a chakra arm and grabbed RS Naruto after leaping a good 500 meters in a second.

paradigm1977

12-10-2011, 01:35 AM

Hidan should be bumped down a tier. I could swear that he once said in the anime that he was the slowest member of Akatsuki.

Sasori should probably be bumped up a tier.

Kill3r_B-st

12-10-2011, 07:44 AM

;5748810']Dude Muu reacted to chakra arms.
no, he got hit. chapter 558 page 5. he split's while flying back from the impact. Again that's worse cause chakra arms have 0 feats
And yes at this rate V2 Jinchurikis are near the top of the tier list.
No, according to you they are the top since they can blitz naruto and A can't
Exactly, meaning RS Naruto did not receive all of the Kyuubis chakra initially, so it is not stronger than tailed cloak.
Chapter 519 page 10. Naruto has access to all the chakra but not the nine tails himself. You can't used cloaked forms or V2 without the beast it self taking over or having it agree with you. Naruto has access to all the chakra
Chapter 554 page 3-4 is the chakra arm catching the Rasenshuriken again and throwing it back. That is a feature that is faster than the Rasenshuriken, which traveled across a village sized crater in a second.
No. are you blind? page 3 you clearly see his chakra arm following the rasenshuriken meaning the rasenshuriken was only traveling the speed of the arm. When the raikage dodged naruto threw it from behind him. The raikage back flip dodged the rasen shuriken. Page 4, naruto is seen to have appeared under the rasen shuriken grabs it and throws it back. this is what happened and you can't change that. Chakra arms are not>RS.
It's not a feature dude. Nothing in the viable universe can react to something that does not take any time whatsoever.
his attack did not instantly commence. Minato had teleported and assumed the position but did not strike because KB was already in position. That took maybe a micro second but it took time. something even the raikage couldn't do the chapter before but something KB hhad to react to again to save A from Minato's attack from behind
It doesn't matter if he's a sensor, he reacted to chakra arms and a falling RS Naruto, which is still very fast.
Did not react to chakra arms and if he's a sensor he knew naruto was their all along. plus just falling speed is no reason to put him above Lee since Lee moves faster than falling speed. He moves faster than the rate at which he can hit people Chapter 85 page 17
All the reactions needed are compiled from dodging and reacting to chakra arms. Mu split before the arm hit him as well as reacting to sand arms appearing from the ground, Oniki kept pace with Mu, Orochimaru shadow snaked chakra arms while evading them, and Tobi moved past a chakra arm and grabbed RS Naruto after leaping a good 500 meters in a second.
no reacting to chakra arms occurred. No muu didn't look at my first point. Onoki kept pace with someone that has no speed feats. Orochimaru reacted to something that has no feats And again Tobi reacted to something that has no Feats. Chakra arms>/RS Chakra arms have only hit stationary targets or fodder like Zetsu.

[Shikamaru]

12-10-2011, 02:58 PM

no reacting to chakra arms occurred. No muu didn't look at my first point. Onoki kept pace with someone that has no speed feats. Orochimaru reacted to something that has no feats And again Tobi reacted to something that has no Feats. Chakra arms>/RS Chakra arms have only hit stationary targets or fodder like Zetsu.
Mu wasn't hit, he split before the chakra arm hit. Onoki paced with Mu.

Chakra arms caught a Rasenshuriken in full speed.

Orochimaru reacted to these chakra arms, and paced back away from them.

Tobi ran across a 500 meter distance in seconds. Tobi ran past the chakra arm that Naruto attempted to grab him with and nearly warped him way.

Moral of the story. Chakra arms > Rasenshuriken.

Everyone listed > Chakra Arms

Everyone listed > Rasenshuriken

Kill3r_B-st

12-10-2011, 11:14 PM

;5750129']Mu wasn't hit, he split before the chakra arm hit. Onoki paced with Mu.

Chakra arms caught a Rasenshuriken in full speed.

Orochimaru reacted to these chakra arms, and paced back away from them.

Tobi ran across a 500 meter distance in seconds. Tobi ran past the chakra arm that Naruto attempted to grab him with and nearly warped him way.

Moral of the story. Chakra arms > Rasenshuriken.

Everyone listed > Chakra Arms

Everyone listed > Rasenshuriken

now your being ignorant of my posts

show me the page and chapters of your feats please cause unless you for think your dreaming, I posted along references in my last post and all you keep saying is "he did, He did react" with not one reference or source. I need chapter
and pages now

321zigzag3

12-11-2011, 05:36 AM

Sasori should probably be bumped up a tier.

Mainly because of the reflex department because his combat movement for an akatsuki is rather nonexistent or not much.

Midnight789

12-12-2011, 06:16 PM

people are really taking A's Statement about naruto being the fastest too heavily, Have we seen A go up against 4 tailed Beast formed Opponents. when a Jin is in 4 tailed Mode, their speed is matched by only a few!!!, did you see how Pain got Falcon Punched by Naruto when he was in 4 tails, his only chance was CT!.

Midnight789

12-12-2011, 06:24 PM

Guys Tobi reacted to Gai in the 2, or 3rd Gate. WHen someone reaches the 4th Gate there eyes go completely white. Just wanted to point that out!, i was thinking people thought he can actually react to a 7th Gate Gai or Something!!

by the way, This new feat that Gai got should get more credit. His speed was fast enough to wait for Tobi to be inches away from Naruto and still get close to hitting him.

vonshadow

12-12-2011, 06:42 PM

Uchiha Sora

12-12-2011, 07:23 PM

naruto is clearly not serious right now. the jinchuriki aren't just blitzing naruto unless your sayin all jinchuriki above A?

pretty sure you would get serious once you realize your fighting 6 jinchuuriki at once.
And still debatable if naruto>A

vonshadow

12-12-2011, 07:46 PM

pretty sure you would get serious once you realize your fighting 6 jinchuuriki at once.
And still debatable if naruto>A
well A did say that RS naruto beat him at his top speed. Evidence enough. Very unlikely that A does not know what he is talking about

Uchiha Sora

12-12-2011, 07:52 PM

well A did say that RS naruto beat him at his top speed. Evidence enough. Very unlikely that A does not know what he is talking about

Well dodging the attack doesn't necessarily mean being faster than it.

Kill3r_B-st

12-12-2011, 08:49 PM

pretty sure you would get serious once you realize your fighting 6 jinchuuriki at once.
And still debatable if naruto>A

I never said naruto >A. I'm saying if A couldn't blitz naruto but all of them can then that would mean all jinchuriki>A. Not impossible but unlikely

Midnight789

12-13-2011, 02:06 PM

Dude so did Kakashi man, they both leap to Naruto's rescue at the same time; although Kakashi did not launch an attack

NO!!, look closely. U can clearly see that Kakashi is moving in right after Gai kicked Tobi!!. unless ur saying that Kakashi is the same speed as 2nd or 3rd Gate Gai Sensi. Which is far from true.

vonshadow

12-13-2011, 02:25 PM

NO!!, look closely. U can clearly see that Kakashi is moving in right after Gai kicked Tobi!!. unless ur saying that Kakashi is the same speed as 2nd or 3rd Gate Gai Sensi. Which is far from true.

No man, its the same. They moved in at the same time. Only Gai launched an attack and Kakashi grabbed Naruto. And you could say that Kakashi is faster since he touched the ground before Gai did. Kishi is giving us a lot of speed discrepancies

VGM

12-16-2011, 10:27 PM

Hidan should be bumped down a tier. I could swear that he once said in the anime that he was the slowest member of Akatsuki.

Sasori should probably be bumped up a tier.

Yeah I don't know why Hidan is so high. It's a bit embarrassing for Deidara to be considered slower than Hidan, or have lower reaction skills...

I don't know about Sasori, he didn't really dodge any of Sakura's punches and he stayed still during most of the fight, I'd consider him a power house unless you count his speed through his puppets because that's how he fights.

I've already made many points to why Deidara should be ranked higher. If they refuse to not count Deidara's clay birds (which is stupid, it's like not counting Gated Guy or RM Naruto because they use a form of jutsu activiation to improve their speed, though I guess Deidara isn't using "foot speed" when in the air, hahah)

Even on foot speed, he can keep up with regular guy (and Lee, Neji, Tenten), and I'm sure Guy is faster than Hidan. And combined with his reaction and perception skills, he should easily be higher than Hidan, possibly Jugo.

Counting justu help with speed (clay birds), a fair placement would be below Kakashi. Though I can see him getting as high as near Onooki/Sasuke, as he kept up with both of them in terms of speed.

paradigm1977

12-29-2011, 01:31 PM

;5747814']Really? Well Mu split when hit with that Rasengan, so he reacted initially.

Therefore he remains superior.

Muu is a sensory type. As a kage, assumed to be among the best sensors out there. He has a power that detects the chakra as it's forming. So he had a non speed head start. That's my logic at least.

paradigm1977

12-29-2011, 02:03 PM

I think there will always be a speed debate thats tough to handle without getting into more specific rules.

1. Totally ignore flight speed. and paths. These are each determined by the jutsu itself and proficiency with it. Muscles don't determine flying and controlling paths by chakra or puppets by strings doesn't mean you posses the same speed with your own muscular effort.

2. Separate the tiers into raw attack speed and boosted attack speed. Dodging and blocking are different. They are boosted by reflexes and can be to a degree subconscious decisions.

3. Geek it up to a total speed quotient combining 60% boosted attack speed + 20% reaction speed + (and this is arguable) 20% jutsu cast time speed.

I say this because while foot speed and concerted coordination are the most important, They aren't lining up for the 100m dash. Combat speed is what we want, right?

Naruto is fast but can be caught. Could Naruto dodge A if he didn't know what A was about to do? Same thing with 3rd raikage.

Last NOTE. Last second saves are a stretch. Even Tobi beat dust release to save Sasuke, like naruto saved Sakura. It's too dramatic too be taken as a "feature" IMO.