Zero Tolerance.

[TheBlackChidori]

Any flaming in this section will result in an immediate ban. This includes name calling, trolling, and being an all-around douchebag.

It's pretty sad we've had to ban like 5 people this week for that.

Some people actually come here to have an intelligent debate, not argue with elitist people who are convinced the sky is green because they said so.

[Jinchiruuki]

Technically it was 2-3 people since some accounts were alts :lol:

[NBT]

Sooooooo what happened?

[TheBlackChidori]

That's me flaming a flaming troll-baiter. Also clearly you missed the point on this topic.

Also I banned you soon after to prevent any more flame wars. So yay TBC, crisis averted.

[fushichou raito]

Any flaming in this section will result in an immediate ban. http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/kruemelmonster.gif
Also, I'm not trolling unless you want to show where I am because, I'm really not, I have no diea where you get that from.

[Shikamaru Nara]

^is this ono?

[TheBlackChidori]

http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/kruemelmonster.gif
Also, I'm not trolling unless you want to show where I am because, I'm really not, I have no diea where you get that from.

You're trolling right now by trying to goad me into arguing.

Post again and watch what happens.

[Bacon]

Eh kinda unfair tbc, sometimes being mad and saying stupid things is inevitable. Even if what is being said is on a forum. Not sure why you let a handful of trolls make you resort to this. xD

[Nick Tasogare]

@Shika
Nope: http://naruto.viz.com/forum/member.php?u=6880
I don't know why TBC has been flaming me recently, I still like him and always have, I seriously have no idea where all the hate has been coming from, someone should explain to me, especially where people get the idea that I'm trolling.

So basically you're an alt posting in the BG's. Well, if that doesn't say "I'm in the mood to troll" then iunno what does.

[Shikamaru Nara]

should've guessed. xD

The problem with the BG at the time is that people cant handle debating imo. My idea of how this section should be run isn't "troll and I'll ban you," I think it should be "don't come over here if you have a short fuse,"

just my 2 cents.

[Fan of Minato]

So basically you're an alt posting in the BG's. Well, if that doesn't say "I'm in the mood to troll" then iunno what does.

You just defeated the purpose of TBC stalking this thread to delete that post, when he makes it. >_< xDD


Anyway, should we even talk about all this. We should just try to not troll from now on. =] /random post.

P.S. The sky is not green, it is brown. Cause I said so. ;D

[TheBlackChidori]

Eh kinda unfair tbc, sometimes being mad and saying stupid things is inevitable. Even if what is being said is on a forum. Not sure why you let a handful of trolls make you resort to this. xD

No there's a difference. Losing your temper in a debate is inevitable. It's part of the BG.

But when over half your posts are of you goading another person into a fight, or trolling when told to stop, yeah, then this rule comes into play.

[megabbaut]

I've seen a lot of people double/triple post continuously and flame without getting in trouble for it, though I don't really like pointing fingers.

[Shikamaru Nara]

That's where I disagree.

Part of debating is keeping your composure.
If you're an attorney, calling the other guy a ;););););););) retard ;);););) is sure to get you ousted from the court or make the jury less fond of you.

The ability to keep calm while still putting your points across is a virtue.

[TheBlackChidori]

You know.


I could just close the battlegrounds. That's totally in my power to do. :) If people want to keep arguing it.

If you didn't realize by now, I am in charge of this section. I'm in charge of the Council. And no green names step in here, because they trust me to manage it. Clearly though, you can only manage so much in a section dedicated to arguing and testosterone.

[NBT]

I'm just gonna assume whatshisface got to navy boy and now he's taking it out on everyone.And does this mean I have to actually be nice to people?

[Frost ninja]

I always try to be civil about things, but even I, on occation, will say something that may be taken in a harsher way than I intended.

However, I agree. Short fuses aren't a good thing to have in here.

[TheBlackChidori]

I'm just gonna assume whatshisface got to navy boy and now he's taking it out on everyone.And does this mean I have to actually be nice to people?

Who is whatshisface and navy boy?

[Bacon]

No there's a difference. Losing your temper in a debate is inevitable. It's part of the BG.

But when over half your posts are of you goading another person into a fight, or trolling when told to stop, yeah, then this rule comes into play.

Alright, though the second point is valid. Though it's contradictory to what the op. I understand that people who do nothing but flame bait should be infracted and or banned,but this policy of zero tolerance affects those people who don't troll as often,if at all.

[Apollo Justice]

So I'm curious are the bans permanent or temporary?

Also is trolling a flame-bait Thread an infractable offense?

[TheBlackChidori]

I could change the title to extremely low tolerance.

[Bacon]

Sounds less scary,but only if the boot fits.

[Frost ninja]

Change the title to "Be more like Frost Ninja!" b:P

[Apollo Justice]

He said if he has to he will terminate BG's altogether.

So new title "TBC Is Serious" :lol:

[TheBlackChidori]

I never said delete.

There's also more sections then BG >_>

[NBT]

Who is whatshisface and navy boy?
You and dude you banned.

[TheBlackChidori]

Dude I banned was the one posting in this topic, he has about 30 alts.

Also I'm not taking anything out on anyone, so not sure what you're talking about there. =/ If anything I'm trying to make this place a little more enjoyable.

I really don't need to take time out of my day to keep this place active and fun, but I do anyway

[Rasen_Chidori]

Is this permission to ban anyone I see being an ass/flaming/trolling?

`:P

[Kuromaki]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/6hq895.gif

[Hando Craap]

You kids with yer banning, yer trolling, yer flaming, yer whippersnapper ways.
I have no need for it.Ah'm just content to being...THE ENIGMA

on another note is flaming using profanity?

[Rasen_Chidori]

Swearing and anything that is overly aggressive or threatening.

[Hando Craap]

ah...good thing Ah'm a cool and collected when ah'm on then.

thanx

[[Shikamaru]]

What a nice discussion.

Especially considering literally everyone here has trolled before.

Including the OPer.

Should I debate differently than I have the past two years? No.

It's more civil you give a warning.

Trolling originates with the lack of intelligence. Spite threads were made to show this.

Change the title to "Be more like Frost Ninja!" b:PWow

[Kreegah!!!]

;5628372']Especially considering literally everyone here has trolled before.

Including the OPer.

Should I debate differently than I have the past two years? No.

It's more civil you give a warning.

Trolling originates with the lack of intelligence. Spite threads were made to show this.

Wow

Wrong, I haven't done that; as proof, note how many responses I get in the BG. Were I to have been trolling, people would be taking umbrage. :shock:

It isn't civil to give a warning on behavior which should be universally deplored (and abandoned in the toddler years); it is weak. You're only complaining because you think you're about to get the Marie Antoinette treatment--and I'm not referring to the face cream.

[Super Sanin 3]

I support this

[TheBlackChidori]

;5628372']What a nice discussion.

Especially considering literally everyone here has trolled before.

Including the OPer.

Should I debate differently than I have the past two years? No.

It's more civil you give a warning.

Trolling originates with the lack of intelligence. Spite threads were made to show this.

Wow



Don't get me wrong, I admit I've done it before. This isn't a warning I'm passing onto everyone and planning to break myself, doesn't work that way. When I end up flaming or trolling, it's usually because someone else has pissed me off to the point that I feel a need to put them in their place.

I could just immediately press the ban button, but I don't.

Sometimes people don't stop, and continue. That's when I press the button.

I'm telling you, that if it doesn't stop then yes, it's going to result in being banned from the BG. I plan on being more calm with everyone too, provided they don't try to push my limits.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

No one will stop without enforcement. Although harsh, no one wants the reputation of the Battlegrounds to be filled with trolls.

[[Shikamaru]]

Don't get me wrong, I admit I've done it before. This isn't a warning I'm passing onto everyone and planning to break myself, doesn't work that way. When I end up flaming or trolling, it's usually because someone else has pissed me off to the point that I feel a need to put them in their place.

I could just immediately press the ban button, but I don't.

Sometimes people don't stop, and continue. That's when I press the button.

I'm telling you, that if it doesn't stop then yes, it's going to result in being banned from the BG. I plan on being more calm with everyone too, provided they don't try to push my limits.
This is true for everyone.

Nobody posts on battlegrounds to deliberately insult specific users. But there are exceptions.

I know people that have trolled, and people who troll over and over just to do it. I could write you a list of who deserves to be banned, and who deserves a simple warning.

You can't expect someone to not get angry when people don't understand logic.

You miss so many examples of trolling it's a joke.

Banning certain people makes no sense. It's not fair.

Similar to the death penalty, hang a few people to make a lot more afraid of murdering. Not fair for those who are hung. Since in this case, everyone murders. (trolls).

Another point being most of the mods abuse power and seem to have a sense of superiority toward everyone else.

"I can do whatever I want"
"Post again, try it, I'll ban you"

Something needs to change, instead of picking random people to be mods you need to evaluate who doesn't give a crap about the users and suspend their power.

Not one mod has ever asked someone why they were trolling. They're drones without any interest in actually solving issues, which is really what they're supposed to do.

[TheBlackChidori]

I've been on this forum for 2 1/2 years since its first month, and helped build it from a small forum with 300 members to a massive forum with over 20,000 members.

I've put more hours of manwork into it then probably anybody else on this site that doesn't get paid to do so. Even more than some of the ones that do get paid.

So believe me when I say, you have no idea what you're talking about.

This place isn't a country where people have rights and constitutional justice. It's a place on the internet where we let YOU members freely chat and discuss whatever it is you discuss here. It's a forum to a website dedicated to the merchandising of Naruto, whether it be through selling the season DVD packs, or allowing people to freely access the anime without having to illegally download it.

That said, it's not your right to come here. It's nothing but your privilege. You don't pay to be here. You don't pay a tax to post here, you don't put work into the forum. You just come here and post.

And given you as an example, most of your posts are downright rude. I for one, try to avoid the majority of your posts because it's usually just you being angry. But have I banned you because I don't think very highly of you? Have I really even ever infracted you? No. So what is it that you're whining about, talking of power abuse and such?

You don't do anything for this forum. The ones that have done things for this forum, have likely been rewarded for it. Be it a custom title, an invite to help moderate certain aspects of the forum, or something of the sort... because they've actually earned the trust of others that have put work into the website.

Right now I could sit and comment on how you have over 2 years of forum time and 5000 posts, yet don't even have a custom title or been approached for any sort of trust or ideas to make the place the better... Instead, you press negativity upon every aspect of this forum, and then try to cut it down when people come in here, don't follow the rules that were given the moment you pressed the "I Agree" button and registered, and then get banned for it.

As for people that don't do anything for the forums, let me give you some credentials of mine.

Created the War Council and the original basis for the entire War System itself. Attracted hundreds of members to the forum because of it.

Created a successful trivia contest that even got the attention of higher-ups at Viz, so much that I got sent thanks for it by them. Attracted hundreds more members, ran two more trivia contests that got more hits then the previous. (That one was tough, creating over 1000 challenging custom Trivia questions that couldn't be google answered)

Created a contest forum, started out with Best Character Ever, one of the most people things the forum ever did.

Kept a dead battlegrounds active for nearly a year, and shaped it into a multi-versal debate section.

Ran Town Bookstore alone for over a year too, before people like Wooster and others helped out there.

Created the Debate forum under Off-Topic. That one took months of arguing to get, btw.

Hell. I was the first Quasiadmin. I was the first member to get a custom title. I was the first member to get a colored username(Black naturally, but got bored with it), had the highest rep for god knows how long, had hundreds of emails from members wishing me safe voyages while I was deployed.

So say I don't do anything for this forum, and that I mindlessly ban people and don't give a crap about the members, go ahead.

[[Shikamaru]]

Creating and innovating does not equate solving issues.

At no point in my post did I refer to you as the target.

You didn't need to post an entire paragraph on what you've done for the website.

As I could care less.

But you're wrong. I don't whine, I point out the obvious reason why there are 5 people a week being banned.

Your system is broken.

But go ahead, ban more. Then explain how there aren't people who abuse power. Oh wait, you didn't. You typed a paragraph on personal achievements, again making the average member seem inferior.

At no point did you address mods abusing power. I received 5 infractions in 10 minutes, by three different mods. They gave absolutely no warning. Then one banned me, calling me "a mentally crippled individual" in the ban message. They don't care, you don't care.

[Toma RNK]

Hell. I was the first Quasiadmin.

This sentence is the only line in that entire post I don't agree with 100%.

I get rights to first quasiadmin, I made the group so I could fix the database back when there were database errors grinding this place to a halt.

All the rest is fair bragging, and the beginning part sounded a lot like this.
http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47097

[Wooster]

That is not fair TBC.

Give him a lower bar like spamming the forum full of nonsense. Wait, that is Mr. Sticky's job. Well, I am sure shikamaru could do something. :???:

[TheBlackChidori]

This sentence is the only line in that entire post I don't agree with 100%.

I get rights to first quasiadmin, I made the group so I could fix the database back when there were database errors grinding this place to a halt.

All the rest is fair bragging, and the beginning part sounded a lot like this.
http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47097

Tbh, I consider you a full admin, or at least always did.

;5628915']Creating and innovating does not equate solving issues.

At no point in my post did I refer to you as the target.

You didn't need to post an entire paragraph on what you've done for the website.

As I could care less.

But you're wrong. I don't whine, I point out the obvious reason why there are 5 people a week being banned.

Your system is broken.

But go ahead, ban more. Then explain how there aren't people who abuse power. Oh wait, you didn't. You typed a paragraph on personal achievements, again making the average member seem inferior.

At no point did you address mods abusing power.

5 People a week are usually alts of people that repeatedly get banned actually. But yes, keep on whining.

[Toma RNK]

Tbh, I consider you a full admin, or at least always did.

Yeah my full time job and medical issues have made me rarely post. I'm still here daily, but usually just reading.

I'm just clinging to what little bragging rights I have left. I fully accept my era is over and that it has passed to others to fill the void I have been unable to fill.

Sorry things are getting stressful here. You have my thanks for running this area regardless.

[Kuromaki]

tbh I think Brackets has a point, and TU wasn't even being a particularly bad troll, let alone a troll at all, unless you can point me to examples of him deserving a complete ban. Don't get me wrong there have been some people who deserved bans, but I just want to be fair here.

Plus you're deleting his posts that didn't really need to be deleted, and you did flame him, calling him a loser and everything in the Kakashi vs Military thread. Since you have a lot of power here and you're enforcing this Zero Tolerance thing now, I'm trusting you not to break it.

[Cyl]

Is this permission to ban anyone I see being an ass/flaming/trolling?

`:P
No one ever got permission to ban Gama everytime he owned me with words!

[Miles Edgeworth]

Well I haven't posted in a while, but the time I just happened to come across the forum again, this happened, so I decided I'll say something. And no, for people who actually do remember me, you're not seeing things.

Now I understand that TU can sometimes irk people and cause some controversy, but really? Is this honestly what the Viz I used to love has degraded to?

For one, it seems a bit extreme to ban him when I have seen so many worse trolls hang around the forum and not get banned at times because they "didn't do anything ban worthy" in spite of evidence going against that.

Secondly, ban for a single instance of flaming? Now I understand the necessity for order, but that seems to be going way too far, especially for the BG being almost dead as it is. Let's face it, nearly (not everybody, but a VAST majority) all the debaters have flamed or come very close to it at least once in their debating career. So now it suddenly becomes fair game to ban for a single flame just for the convenience of putting down a single user? Sounds a bit detached from what I would consider legitimate order.

Now this might just sound like my bitching for my buddy but honestly, after reading this: http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106209&page=4 I'd say this goes far beyond my emotions in this situation. Declaring that any flaming or trolling results in an insta-ban right after doing that? Seems just a tad hypocritical to me.

TU might say some things that are out of line but this situation is very, VERY obviously not about him "following the rules" but people in authority deciding "This guy pisses me off, let's ban him because he's a total idiot" and that just doesn't seem right to me.

If that's not enough though, deleting his posts attempting to justify himself? What is this, some form of communism? This is beyond baffling and I really don't know what to say.

I still can't believe the BG turned out like this. If my post gets deleted or something.......just lol.

[megabbaut]

^Exactly my point. People like FFS flame all the time, and they don't even get in trouble. The mods just ignore them completely. They only ban people who they think are idiots, like TU who didn't even flame once. People just get pissed at what he says, so he gets in trouble. Honestly the people in charge need to keep a better eye on the site.

[Frost ninja]

Who is TU?

[megabbaut]

^Phoenix Wright

[Super Sanin 3]

IMO it's not too hard to decide which deserves what, if it's obvious that they're trolling or trying to get you mad than well...

Alas, my judge idea was in vain `:|

[heroeking]

Could you guys watch out for trolling. I'm telling you, it makes you not even want to debate anymore.

[Inuyasha]

I know of many Mods who have "many" infractions so why is this a big problem because of some members? Yes we do have trolls and technical spammers in BG but to go so far as immediate banning is a bit harsh right?

I agree rules are rules but warnings are given to those who don't follow them then the next step if need be. BG are still enjoyable for many and some have learned to not respond in an inappropriate manner. Also closing all of BG is like the entire class being punished for some people's foolish actions.

The thing is we don't have mods in all of the threads at all times but that is why it's up to the members to use the Report button that is what it's there for. I understand the frustration as of late but this problem has always occurred in the past of BG. Perhaps social groups like BAD need to be active once again?

The ones for immediate banning are the ones who make several troll threads. Yes TBC does have the power to make this call if he so pleases. Hopefully this is just a wake up call for some. Btw should this be an announcement or sticky or whatever?

This is just my opinion on the subject.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I'm pretty sure I'm one of the only mods with many infractions. :lol: And it's already stuck.

[megabbaut]

Then why can't you just delete them since you're a mod and it's yours? :lol:

[Shikamaru Nara]

I don't have reign over infractions.
And you can't delete infractions.

[Inuyasha]

I'm pretty sure I'm one of the only mods with many infractions. :lol: And it's already stuck.
Yea I know I over exagerated but it sounded better that way.

Besides I didn't want to call you out or name names that would be rude. :lol:

Oh I didn't notice my bad.

[TheBlackChidori]

If that's not enough though, deleting his posts attempting to justify himself? What is this, some form of communism? This is beyond baffling and I really don't know what to say.

Sure. Let's call it that. I always wanted to be a Dictator.

People like TU have been nothing but a problem for months. When you go through 5 different accounts, obviously you're doing something wrong. And you can blame me and call it a personal grudge, but I've only recently started dealing with him.

Phoenix Wright = a slightly more intelligent Devil's Lawyer.

Anyway, now that we have people coming from months and months of absence to add opinion to something they clearly know nothing about, except what their friend went and told them...

Warning laid down. I don't care if you're all butthurt. Follow it or leave.

And miles, you're talking as if the battlegrounds used to be this wonderful meadow of intelligent debate and peace pipes among gents. This place has always sucked, even when it was you, kisame, vermiliion and I arguing about why Itachi was so much better then Sasori. Which btw, FACE.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

People like TU have been nothing but a problem for months. When you go through 5 different accounts, obviously you're doing something wrong. And you can blame me and call it a personal grudge, but I've only recently started dealing with him.

This I can definitely agree with. There's certain people on here who have gotten warning after warning after warning. Yet, they are still here, getting warnings and infractions for things. At some point, knowing you'll eventually have to give out a warning to someone, is too much of a hassle. You can only have so many chances.

Now me, I usually don't give warnings or infractions. I tend to just edit their post and send them a PM. Either that, or if it's not too bad, leave it be. Someone will get to it eventually. I give a lot of chances though. There's sometimes where someone is just excessive with it though.

There's very few people on here that I feel have never done anything infractable ever, but I don't like giving them out, or banning. Unless someone is just horrible with it. I don't support the whole, "No Rights," thing, but that's just me. It's whatever it is.

[Wooster]

I think we should only allow Sticky to make threads here from now on.
And everyone else can only make one post per day. :lol:

[Jinchiruuki]

tbh I think Brackets has a point, and TU wasn't even being a particularly bad troll, let alone a troll at all, unless you can point me to examples of him deserving a complete ban. Don't get me wrong there have been some people who deserved bans, but I just want to be fair here.


Sorry but you clearly did not see some of the threads and posts being created by him. With that said, if you don't have much information on the matter at hand then it is better for you to not say anything at all.

And those posts/threads have either been locked, deleted etc.



Now I understand that TU can sometimes irk people and cause some controversy, but really? Is this honestly what the Viz I used to love has degraded to?

For one, it seems a bit extreme to ban him when I have seen so many worse trolls hang around the forum and not get banned at times because they "didn't do anything ban worthy" in spite of evidence going against that.

Secondly, ban for a single instance of flaming? Now I understand the necessity for order, but that seems to be going way too far, especially for the BG being almost dead as it is. Let's face it, nearly (not everybody, but a VAST majority) all the debaters have flamed or come very close to it at least once in their debating career. So now it suddenly becomes fair game to ban for a single flame just for the convenience of putting down a single user? Sounds a bit detached from what I would consider legitimate order.

Now this might just sound like my bitching for my buddy but honestly, after reading this: http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106209&page=4 I'd say this goes far beyond my emotions in this situation. Declaring that any flaming or trolling results in an insta-ban right after doing that? Seems just a tad hypocritical to me.

TU might say some things that are out of line but this situation is very, VERY obviously not about him "following the rules" but people in authority deciding "This guy pisses me off, let's ban him because he's a total idiot" and that just doesn't seem right to me.

If that's not enough though, deleting his posts attempting to justify himself? What is this, some form of communism? This is beyond baffling and I really don't know what to say.

I still can't believe the BG turned out like this. If my post gets deleted or something.......just lol.

Again, you were not here to witness all of the posts/threads made via PW's alts. With that said, this isn't a democracy either. You agree to such terms when you sign up here.

Not saying what you and Kuromaki have said is moot. But neither of you witnessed the constant flame bait, troll and spite post/thread making by PW and his numerous alts.

This however doesn't justify one of us flaming the trolls either which is something I do agree with to an extent.

^Exactly my point. People like FFS flame all the time, and they don't even get in trouble. The mods just ignore them completely. They only ban people who they think are idiots, like TU who didn't even flame once. People just get pissed at what he says, so he gets in trouble. Honestly the people in charge need to keep a better eye on the site.

Actually FFS has gotten into trouble. Lol @ you thinking we ignore people just because. While you may not see it, we do handle things.

[Uchiha Sora]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWdCkXd1FpSpQfFw-alCtP0_vaxbrwg2MTvS-3dvSORGmKaqpozg

[J-Sun Tasogare]

This is just my opinion, but I doubt this is going to help. It's just poking an angry bear with a spike, and then punting it in the nuts. It's not going to end good.

But I could be wrong so w/e.

[Super Sanin 3]

Well it's already been done so I guess we just gotta wait and see, I think it could turn out well

[[Shikamaru]]

Wow, you banned heroking?

Lol this is ridiculous.

[Wooster]

I guess we know who is being banned tomorrow.

[Nick Tasogare]

I'll prepare the gallows for sundown.

[Super Sanin 3]

These are perm or temporary bans btw?

[[Shikamaru]]

These are perm or temporary bans btw?
Perm on Equinox.

[Super Sanin 3]

I'm okay with pretty much everybody that doesn't attempt to make other people look bad

[[Shikamaru]]

Significant difference between attempting and succeeding.

[Super Sanin 3]

What do you mean by this?

[Miles Edgeworth]

Sure. Let's call it that. I always wanted to be a Dictator.

People like TU have been nothing but a problem for months. When you go through 5 different accounts, obviously you're doing something wrong. And you can blame me and call it a personal grudge, but I've only recently started dealing with him.

Phoenix Wright = a slightly more intelligent Devil's Lawyer.

Anyway, now that we have people coming from months and months of absence to add opinion to something they clearly know nothing about, except what their friend went and told them...

Warning laid down. I don't care if you're all butthurt. Follow it or leave.

And miles, you're talking as if the battlegrounds used to be this wonderful meadow of intelligent debate and peace pipes among gents. This place has always sucked, even when it was you, kisame, vermiliion and I arguing about why Itachi was so much better then Sasori. Which btw, FACE.

Well the very obvious reason for going through different accounts is because "Derp I don't like this guy, banhammer no jutsu". And that still doesn't exactly justify anything that has been done up to this point.

Is that honestly your comeback to my post? "Zomg you don't know what you're talking about so your opinion is moot", the fact that you aren't even capable of legitimately explaining such things to back yourself up speaks for itself. And it's all so ironic how you have no response at all to the fact that you very obviously went on flaming spree with him in that post. I expected more from you, YOU of all people, one of those users who could actually hold an intelligent debate with me since the old days and were admittedly more in the right than I was at times. Nonetheless, does having problems with someone suddenly give you the right to screw the rules just because you have power? Things like this are probably WHY Viz is dead.

Well the Battlegrounds, if nothing else, used to at least be fun and reasonable. Was it intelligent? Not always. Was it always this peaceful place? Of course not, there were definitely times when problems arose. But back then there were not hints of banhammer because of personal grudges and obvious ignoring of rules for the convenience of putting down a user and then turning around and enforcing banhammer on any regular user who commits even a fraction of said offense.

And regarding random personal attack, I will admit that my Sasori fanboyism was quite extreme at times, such a thing was obvious. But were such things not what made debates so enjoyable? Presenting different views, bringing up various points, sharing numerous possibilities, that is what really made this all enjoyable. And instead, we have........this. Do I still think that Sasori is more likely to beat Itachi? No. Do I think the way many, many people went about objecting to that belief I once held was the right way to go about doing it? If it took this damn long for me to change my opinion (with said opinion being a change not caused by any particular person convincing me but me actually thinking about it and coming up with that thought on my own) then obviously not. The fact that you're so desperate to force your opinion on me about that after all this time is almost amusing.


Again, you were not here to witness all of the posts/threads made via PW's alts. With that said, this isn't a democracy either. You agree to such terms when you sign up here.

Not saying what you and Kuromaki have said is moot. But neither of you witnessed the constant flame bait, troll and spite post/thread making by PW and his numerous alts.

This however doesn't justify one of us flaming the trolls either which is something I do agree with to an extent.


Enforcing rules is one thing, but occasions of selective extreme punishment just bother me.

Well if it's so extreme then all that would really be necessary is actual, legitimate evidence of flaming and trolling, which to my surprise has not been presented once, in spite of how easy it is. On one hand I could go look, but the fact that I'm taking time out of my AP Euro homework to post for some bizarre reason means I probably wouldn't end up searching for that on my own.

That last part is what I'm really going for though, the admins and such are supposed to be examples after all, and when I see clear instances of rule-breaking just because said person is in power, of course it seems wrong.

Sorry if I'm seeming downright ignorant and annoying about all this, I'm not trying to be terribly unreasonable even if I'm coming off that way, I understand what you're trying to say here. It's just that sometimes responses are way too extreme and enforcing one thing yet committing the very same offense and trying to justify it with "he's a troll" is not the way to go about doing things.

[[Shikamaru]]

I would highly suggest not arguing with Jinchuriki.

Next thing you know your posts will be tampered with, deleted, and you have 7 infractions.

Usually comes after his post farm threats. Then "Bandaffi" joke.

Like banning someone from the website is some type of attribute.

[Bacon]

Sorry if I'm seeming downright ignorant and annoying about all this, I'm not trying to be terribly unreasonable even if I'm coming off that way, I understand what you're trying to say here. It's just that sometimes responses are way too extreme and enforcing one thing yet committing the very same offense and trying to justify it with "he's a troll" is not the way to go about doing things.

Haha I like this part.

P2KrP5lKoqM

[colorles]

Well the very obvious reason for going through different accounts is because "Derp I don't like this guy, banhammer no jutsu". And that still doesn't exactly justify anything that has been done up to this point.

Is that honestly your comeback to my post? "Zomg you don't know what you're talking about so your opinion is moot", the fact that you aren't even capable of legitimately explaining such things to back yourself up speaks for itself. And it's all so ironic how you have no response at all to the fact that you very obviously went on flaming spree with him in that post. I expected more from you, YOU of all people, one of those users who could actually hold an intelligent debate with me since the old days and were admittedly more in the right than I was at times. Nonetheless, does having problems with someone suddenly give you the right to screw the rules just because you have power? Things like this are probably WHY Viz is dead.

Well the Battlegrounds, if nothing else, used to at least be fun and reasonable. Was it intelligent? Not always. Was it always this peaceful place? Of course not, there were definitely times when problems arose. But back then there were not hints of banhammer because of personal grudges and obvious ignoring of rules for the convenience of putting down a user and then turning around and enforcing banhammer on any regular user who commits even a fraction of said offense.

And regarding random personal attack, I will admit that my Sasori fanboyism was quite extreme at times, such a thing was obvious. But were such things not what made debates so enjoyable? Presenting different views, bringing up various points, sharing numerous possibilities, that is what really made this all enjoyable. And instead, we have........this. Do I still think that Sasori is more likely to beat Itachi? No. Do I think the way many, many people went about objecting to that belief I once held was the right way to go about doing it? If it took this damn long for me to change my opinion (with said opinion being a change not caused by any particular person convincing me but me actually thinking about it and coming up with that thought on my own) then obviously not. The fact that you're so desperate to force your opinion on me about that after all this time is almost amusing.



Enforcing rules is one thing, but occasions of selective extreme punishment just bother me.

Well if it's so extreme then all that would really be necessary is actual, legitimate evidence of flaming and trolling, which to my surprise has not been presented once, in spite of how easy it is. On one hand I could go look, but the fact that I'm taking time out of my AP Euro homework to post for some bizarre reason means I probably wouldn't end up searching for that on my own.

That last part is what I'm really going for though, the admins and such are supposed to be examples after all, and when I see clear instances of rule-breaking just because said person is in power, of course it seems wrong.

Sorry if I'm seeming downright ignorant and annoying about all this, I'm not trying to be terribly unreasonable even if I'm coming off that way, I understand what you're trying to say here. It's just that sometimes responses are way too extreme and enforcing one thing yet committing the very same offense and trying to justify it with "he's a troll" is not the way to go about doing things.

'black chidori' regardless of your 'intentions', perhaps you should 'study' this poster: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/scripts/userinfo.php?uid=9412. keep in mind MVC has been devoid of active mods and absolutely no admins for years, 2010 was crazy:mrgreen: but just recently, mid to late summer 2011, a supposed 'old guard' named 'Cid', through constant 'sucking up' to the inactive webmaster Bjarne Lundgren via emails, amnaged to completely monopolize the site, he 'sucked up' to the long inactive webmaster to the point where not only did he become admin, but he got admins WAY more power to the point that they could do ANYTHING on the site, this 'Cid' who is one of three admins on the site (one of which is hardly active and does nothing, the other named 'Chibi' who is chill but doesnt go against 'Cid'), now admins have ALOT more power than they used to, they can now IP ban, delete all a posters posts, accounts, make it like that poster never existed on the site, and they can appoint new mods, and of course this 'Cid' monopolized the site by not only making the people that 'suck up' to him the most mods, but he even made personal friends in 'real life' mods, whom never have been on the site beforehand, and he monopolized the site (only 'Chibi' is pretty chill, but he doesnt do anything when 'Cid' starts 'throwing his weight around, and its not like he could do much, he'd just get un-admined). now with this 'monopolized power', Cid used it to pretty much completely wipe out a large group of posters simply because he didnt like them (although this 'faction' of posters is rather tightly knit per say still and still post their jaja), and abuses his power to such a point just speaking of it in any sense gets your posts deleted and altered, banned, wiped out etc, and his mods do the same, the site is completely monopolized now, although 'Cid' still throughs propaganda around like "look how much i've done for the site, i've brought order, and i even got the webmaster to make a new section" yet all he and his 'mods' are doing is abuseing power and 'pushing around' or wiping out any poster they dont like. and keep in mind Bjarne the webmaster is exceedingly difficult to get in touch with, only admins can get in touch with him through 'conventional means' and 'Cid' has sucked up to him to a point that he only 'trusts' Cids word, and he used this to take over the site, and it cant really change since the power structure is pretty much absolute at this point (of course theirs plently of hackers, and plently of 'resistence', but it still doesnt change anything, the posters that this 'regime' simply dosnt like cant even chat amoungst one another in freedom, this 'regime' gets off to its own power). and keep in mind all of this was so drastic, for a few years the site was essentially admin free and devoid of active mods, the site was so chill, you could do whatever you want, litterally aside from child porn (and as its not a porn site that was 'frowned upon'), but is was a chill, colorful and free spirited place, now its hardly even that on the surface, its a 'regime' now. seriosly envision an open steppe, open to free spirits, thats how MVC was in 2010 for instance, now imaging 'Cid' taking everything over and building a regime over this steppe, now its all built over and none of that 'openess' remains, thats the site now. even though the site is still quite active, its hardly even worth going to for an being thats felt the free spiritedness of MVC.

so in that manner (described rather briefly mind you), a single poster build a regime and took over a site (and even though its 'just the internet', still i'd rather now let that stand, as with my associates; its just rather annoying, and we all loved MVC for its freespirited ness, now we cant even talk without shackels. MVC wont stay this way forever rest assured)

so anyways TBC, dont follow suit

[Kuromaki]

Sorry but you clearly did not see some of the threads and posts being created by him. With that said, if you don't have much information on the matter at hand then it is better for you to not say anything at all.

And those posts/threads have either been locked, deleted etc.
You must be well aware that I post here plenty so of course I've seen many of the posts made by him, still doesn't show me how he's worthy of being banned multiple times when he's not even doing anything particularly ban worthy, unlike some other people here.

[colorles]

an internet forum is a microcosm of a 'real life' society, alot can be learned from an internet forum about 'human nature' and 'society', it makes nice research

internet forums is just like 'real life society'

[Jinchiruuki]

You must be well aware that I post here plenty so of course I've seen many of the posts made by him, still doesn't show me how he's worthy of being banned multiple times when he's not even doing anything particularly ban worthy, unlike some other people here.

I know you are here a lot, my apologies I did not mean to come off that way ><. He has done plenty that is ban worthy but I suppose that depends on a persons perspective. Making threads solely comprised of another members posts to flame bait, while also trolling/flaming on a constant basis and also ignoring all warnings or infractions for such behavior in my books, warrants a ban.

What do we do when our warnings don't work? Roll over and say oh well we tried?

Honestly I don't think we should just triggerhappy ban people, but some participants in this section have been non stop with douchebaggery and a lot of people are getting sick of it.

[megabbaut]

Is double/triple posting still against the rules?

[Jinchiruuki]

Yes it is. ^

[megabbaut]

Yes it is. ^
Not to sound annoying, but people like UchihaXSasuke continuously do it, and if he received an infraction for every time he did it he'd be banned already.

[Jinchiruuki]

Not to sound annoying, but people like UchihaXSasuke continuously do it, and if he received an infraction for every time he did it he'd be banned already.

PM me whenever you see this if I haven't already and I will handle it.

[[Shikamaru]]

We wouldn't want megafairy to get trolled on.

Oh wait, majority of the forum already has trolled him.

Patterns are usually easy to pick up.

[Jinchiruuki]

;5630785']We wouldn't want megafairy to get trolled on.

Oh wait, majority of the forum already has trolled him.

Patterns are usually easy to pick up.


Do you need a hug? :(

[[Shikamaru]]

Do you need a hug? :(
Nah, you'd ban me.

[Noctis Arashi]

I really don't care too much. But it seems a tad harsh, whatever the motives.

But meh, Idc so it's whatever.

[TheBlackChidori]

Is that honestly your comeback to my post? "Zomg you don't know what you're talking about so your opinion is moot", the fact that you aren't even capable of legitimately explaining such things to back yourself up speaks for itself. And it's all so ironic how you have no response at all to the fact that you very obviously went on flaming spree with him in that post. I expected more from you, YOU of all people, one of those users who could actually hold an intelligent debate with me since the old days and were admittedly more in the right than I was at times. Nonetheless, does having problems with someone suddenly give you the right to screw the rules just because you have power? Things like this are probably WHY Viz is dead.

Comeback to your post? I'm not trying to make comebacks to your post. I've got like 30 members coming at with me with your same argument, if I sat and responded and debated with each one of you, I wouldn't get anything done now would I? The fact that my response to you was so minimal is mostly because you have nothing to do with this forum anymore, so I find it funny that you make such a rabble over this whole situation.

Well the Battlegrounds, if nothing else, used to at least be fun and reasonable. Was it intelligent? Not always. Was it always this peaceful place? Of course not, there were definitely times when problems arose. But back then there were not hints of banhammer because of personal grudges and obvious ignoring of rules for the convenience of putting down a user and then turning around and enforcing banhammer on any regular user who commits even a fraction of said offense.

And regarding random personal attack, I will admit that my Sasori fanboyism was quite extreme at times, such a thing was obvious. But were such things not what made debates so enjoyable? Presenting different views, bringing up various points, sharing numerous possibilities, that is what really made this all enjoyable. And instead, we have........this. Do I still think that Sasori is more likely to beat Itachi? No. Do I think the way many, many people went about objecting to that belief I once held was the right way to go about doing it? If it took this damn long for me to change my opinion (with said opinion being a change not caused by any particular person convincing me but me actually thinking about it and coming up with that thought on my own) then obviously not. The fact that you're so desperate to force your opinion on me about that after all this time is almost amusing.

You said it yourself, the Battlegrounds isn't what it used to be. It's not. It's a gathering of pissed off people that can't have any intelligent debates. You know I'm more than capable of holding a debate without resorting to personal attacks. But that's all this place is anymore, you can rarely find a single topic that doesn't have someone throwing a hissy fit because another person won't share their opinion. It's not a heated debate when I have to edit 10 posts a day of Member A calling Member B a "wanking bleepy bleep".

So we impose the Be Civil rule. It's mostly common sense, manners you learn as you get older. Most adults can disagree without ever blowing up, but mix immature children and adults with the minds of children, and that's not the case. They don't listen, we repeatedly have to edit, infract, delete the most ridiculous topics you've ever seen..

Here's an example of some of the threads we soft delete on a daily basis, of people who claim not to pick arguments and insult people (Such as Shikamaru=Equinox). This is 95% of their posts content usually.

http://www.naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106595

Then you have Alts of Phoenix doing that in every topic, egging people on.

And you ask me why I ban them, when somehow I still let them manage to climb into nearly 1000 posts?


Again, "zomg you don't know what you're talking about." Would you like to come back and put some work into the battlegrounds Miles? I'm sure we'd love to have you restoring this place to the good old days. Feel free and volunteer.



Ironically in that link I gave you, Phoenix claims to never ever ever troll. Yet the image itself has troll written on it. Right.

[Kuromaki]

I know you are here a lot, my apologies I did not mean to come off that way ><. He has done plenty that is ban worthy but I suppose that depends on a persons perspective. Making threads solely comprised of another members posts to flame bait, while also trolling/flaming on a constant basis and also ignoring all warnings or infractions for such behavior in my books, warrants a ban.

What do we do when our warnings don't work? Roll over and say oh well we tried?

Honestly I don't think we should just triggerhappy ban people, but some participants in this section have been non stop with douchebaggery and a lot of people are getting sick of it.
Yeah it was never ban worthy to me that's why I was asking for specific examples, cause I'm not going through a bunch of deleted threads and posts to find them :lol: Right before he got banned he was trying to prove a point about mod power abuse which seems not to have gone well.

I think this new rule for the BG is a bit too harsh too, it's a debate oriented section so of course people are going to flame, but usually a warning or two will cool them off in my experience. Others just don't stop, but that's another story.

[megabbaut]

Kuromaki is probably the only member left who actually debates with respect and is not one of those people who would do anything not to say ''I am wrong.''

[Super Sanin 3]

Go Kuromaki!
http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/168/joker-clap.gif

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Seriously? Why now of all times do you decide to start paying attention to flaming and trolling after turning a blind eye to it for so long? Perhaps you're trying to cover your tracks after doing something unfitting of your position?

[TheBlackChidori]

^ one of the biggest problems in this section.

[[Shikamaru]]

^ one of the biggest problems in this section.
Absolutely 100% agreed.

Well done TBC.

I'm sure nobody will complain about that one.

[Bacon]

Just a thought,but maybe banning them from the section would be easier than actually banning people. If someone loses their right to see a section, they may try to prove their worth and correct their ways. When you ban someone, you make them mad which basically ends up with more alts. Yea I know banning someone from a section might result in alts,but at least it won't make them jelly. :lol: Which is why they are so bent on trolling in the first place.

[TheBlackChidori]

That's usually what I do. But in 90% of cases, they just start going to a seperate section and raising hell about being BG banned.

Plus it really is a pain to go bar specific forums to specific members.

I really should have closed this topic to now, but it's kind of entertaining. Also people keep testing it, that's nice too. I really don't wanna destroy the BGs. I'd rather just eliminate the problem makers. =/

[Bacon]

Ahh I see,couldn't hurt to suggest that.Although I do remember one of the neji guys caused a ruckus over when toma did the section ban.

[[Shikamaru]]

I'm enjoying it.

The topic should be left open to discussion, so you can see the views of those who debate regularly.

That was a great idea too ^

But the faults were obvious.

[Kuromaki]

^ one of the biggest problems in this section.
I understand he was a problem member for several users, but if you were gonna ban him, you should've done it a while ago and not now when he tried to point out your behavior :lol:

Oh yeah one more thing, the fellas above him totally know what theyre talking about.

[LUCKY.KAKASHI]

'black chidori' regardless of your 'intentions', perhaps you should 'study' this poster: http://lounge.moviecodec.com/scripts/userinfo.php?uid=9412. keep in mind MVC has been devoid of active mods and absolutely no admins for years, 2010 was crazy:mrgreen: but just recently, mid to late summer 2011, a supposed 'old guard' named 'Cid', through constant 'sucking up' to the inactive webmaster Bjarne Lundgren via emails, amnaged to completely monopolize the site, he 'sucked up' to the long inactive webmaster to the point where not only did he become admin, but he got admins WAY more power to the point that they could do ANYTHING on the site, this 'Cid' who is one of three admins on the site (one of which is hardly active and does nothing, the other named 'Chibi' who is chill but doesnt go against 'Cid'), now admins have ALOT more power than they used to, they can now IP ban, delete all a posters posts, accounts, make it like that poster never existed on the site, and they can appoint new mods, and of course this 'Cid' monopolized the site by not only making the people that 'suck up' to him the most mods, but he even made personal friends in 'real life' mods, whom never have been on the site beforehand, and he monopolized the site (only 'Chibi' is pretty chill, but he doesnt do anything when 'Cid' starts 'throwing his weight around, and its not like he could do much, he'd just get un-admined). now with this 'monopolized power', Cid used it to pretty much completely wipe out a large group of posters simply because he didnt like them (although this 'faction' of posters is rather tightly knit per say still and still post their jaja), and abuses his power to such a point just speaking of it in any sense gets your posts deleted and altered, banned, wiped out etc, and his mods do the same, the site is completely monopolized now, although 'Cid' still throughs propaganda around like "look how much i've done for the site, i've brought order, and i even got the webmaster to make a new section" yet all he and his 'mods' are doing is abuseing power and 'pushing around' or wiping out any poster they dont like. and keep in mind Bjarne the webmaster is exceedingly difficult to get in touch with, only admins can get in touch with him through 'conventional means' and 'Cid' has sucked up to him to a point that he only 'trusts' Cids word, and he used this to take over the site, and it cant really change since the power structure is pretty much absolute at this point (of course theirs plently of hackers, and plently of 'resistence', but it still doesnt change anything, the posters that this 'regime' simply dosnt like cant even chat amoungst one another in freedom, this 'regime' gets off to its own power). and keep in mind all of this was so drastic, for a few years the site was essentially admin free and devoid of active mods, the site was so chill, you could do whatever you want, litterally aside from child porn (and as its not a porn site that was 'frowned upon'), but is was a chill, colorful and free spirited place, now its hardly even that on the surface, its a 'regime' now. seriosly envision an open steppe, open to free spirits, thats how MVC was in 2010 for instance, now imaging 'Cid' taking everything over and building a regime over this steppe, now its all built over and none of that 'openess' remains, thats the site now. even though the site is still quite active, its hardly even worth going to for an being thats felt the free spiritedness of MVC.

so in that manner (described rather briefly mind you), a single poster build a regime and took over a site (and even though its 'just the internet', still i'd rather now let that stand, as with my associates; its just rather annoying, and we all loved MVC for its freespirited ness, now we cant even talk without shackels. MVC wont stay this way forever rest assured)

so anyways TBC, dont follow suit








it is too bad that life gos in cycles , and we don't learn from the history , just yesterday we say the end of dictator who named ghadafi :) .

[[Shikamaru]]

I understand he was a problem member for several users, but if you were gonna ban him, you should've done it a while ago and not now when he tried to point out your behavior :lol:

Oh yeah one more thing, the fellas above him totally know what theyre talking about.
Having joker clapping for you isn't always a great sign :cool:

[Kuromaki]

;5631604']Having joker clapping for you isn't always a great sign :cool:
I mainly meant Megabbaut but yeah http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

[[Shikamaru]]

I mainly meant Megabbaut but yeah http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png
Have him on the IL so, yeah.

[Bacon]

I'm so tempted to post a joke picture of Hitler right now. This thread just has the vibe, abuse is used every other post.

[[Shikamaru]]

I'm so tempted to post a joke picture of Hitler right now. This thread just has the vibe, abuse is used every other post.
I wonder why.

[Bacon]

;5631644']I wonder why.

Some people need to grow up? I know how it feels to get ticked off when hypocrisy rears its ugly head,but c'mon abuse of power? In case you didn't know, being able to edit posts and having to take time out of your own free time to discipline people who causing others to leave,it isn't fun. Instead of being able to make a rebuttle to an organized post stating why kukazu isn't as good as shikamaru in the tactician department, you have edit out cursing,slurs and anything else of that sort.

After a long day at work or even after catching up with a week's worth of college work, no one wants to squander their time trying to calm down people who are raging over trivial matters such as sasuke's ameratsu being able to extend beyond 50 feet. It gets old when people cry about power abuse like it's fun or better yet, like it adversely affects them when they aren't on the forum. :lol:

Although I can't help but wonder why the fuss over the bg's in the first place? There's no standards here or civility. The worst case scenario in a thread about religion is not half as aggravating as the average bg thread. :3

[[Shikamaru]]

Some people need to grow up? I know how it feels to get ticked off when hypocrisy rears its ugly head,but c'mon abuse of power? In case you didn't know, being able to edit posts and having to take time out of your own free time to discipline people who causing others to leave,it isn't fun. Instead of being able to make a rebuttle to an organized post stating why kukazu isn't as good as shikamaru in the tactician department, you have edit out cursing,slurs and anything else of that sort.

After a long day at work or even after catching up with a week's worth of college work, no one wants to squander their time trying to calm down people who are raging over trivial matters such as sasuke's ameratsu being able to extend beyond 50 feet. It gets old when people cry about power abuse like it's fun or better yet, like it adversely affects them when they aren't on the forum. :lol:

Although I can't help but wonder why the fuss over the bg's in the first place? There's no standards here or civility. The worst case scenario in a thread about religion is not half as aggravating as the average bg thread. :3
People enjoy debating, that's why there is a fuss.

If you're wondering why, then you don't regularly participate in our debates.

The standard debater wants to be right, bottom line. You're not going to change that by banning people who get angry over another person who simply won't understand their views. I've done it, TBC has done it, maybe you haven't. That's fine. Doesn't change anything.

There are also non-standard debaters. People who type a sentence after a large post by another user that is meant to obviously make the other user angry, all the time. TBC just banned one of those debaters. They're called consistent trolls.

If they don't have time to adequately read between the lines and solve an issue than perhaps they shouldn't be the ones in control.

[Bacon]

;5631684']People enjoy debating, that's why there is a fuss.

If you're wondering why, then you don't regularly participate in our debates.

The standard debater wants to be right, bottom line. You're not going to change that by banning people who get angry over another person who simply won't understand their views. I've done it, TBC has done it, maybe you haven't. That's fine. Doesn't change anything.

If they don't have time to adequately read between the lines and solve an issue than perhaps they shouldn't be the ones in control.
I've been on this site for 2 years just like you?(too lazy to check) I've had plenty of time to tread the waters of the Battlegrounds and try my hand at debating. But usually what I got was an unpleasant response followed by how little I knew about the subject at hand.

Not posting often or at all doesn't mean I don't read a bg thread every once in a while. Though if it's not a response from sticky,wooster, or someone calmer, the response is usually riddled with put downs and other words with a condescending nature. I know people like to debate, but the battlegrounds is not a debate section based on the performance of the people participating thus far.

Wanting to be right doesn't mean you cause trouble and force people the people in charge to step in, every other time. What you expect is highly unrealistic. That said, for all the threats put in the op, there hasn't been a single ban other than FFS, who wandered in 4 or 5 pages later.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Comeback to your post? I'm not trying to make comebacks to your post. I've got like 30 members coming at with me with your same argument, if I sat and responded and debated with each one of you, I wouldn't get anything done now would I? The fact that my response to you was so minimal is mostly because you have nothing to do with this forum anymore, so I find it funny that you make such a rabble over this whole situation.



You said it yourself, the Battlegrounds isn't what it used to be. It's not. It's a gathering of pissed off people that can't have any intelligent debates. You know I'm more than capable of holding a debate without resorting to personal attacks. But that's all this place is anymore, you can rarely find a single topic that doesn't have someone throwing a hissy fit because another person won't share their opinion. It's not a heated debate when I have to edit 10 posts a day of Member A calling Member B a "wanking bleepy bleep".

So we impose the Be Civil rule. It's mostly common sense, manners you learn as you get older. Most adults can disagree without ever blowing up, but mix immature children and adults with the minds of children, and that's not the case. They don't listen, we repeatedly have to edit, infract, delete the most ridiculous topics you've ever seen..

Here's an example of some of the threads we soft delete on a daily basis, of people who claim not to pick arguments and insult people (Such as Shikamaru=Equinox). This is 95% of their posts content usually.

http://www.naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106595

Then you have Alts of Phoenix doing that in every topic, egging people on.

And you ask me why I ban them, when somehow I still let them manage to climb into nearly 1000 posts?


Again, "zomg you don't know what you're talking about." Would you like to come back and put some work into the battlegrounds Miles? I'm sure we'd love to have you restoring this place to the good old days. Feel free and volunteer.



Ironically in that link I gave you, Phoenix claims to never ever ever troll. Yet the image itself has troll written on it. Right.

So what I have gleaned from that is essentially "I don't have time to bother with you so I have no need to explain to you" as a way of dancing around the issue at hand. Not only has nothing of actual note happened after all this, but the fact still remains that there was a very glaring instance of rule flouting. Fascinating way of "getting things done".

Most hints of intelligent, civilized debate truly have faded out of this section. But then is that not all the more reason to be an example, to transcend the very troubles that plague your modship every day? Instead, what I see is clear flaming toward a user that you find annoying and not only that, but user banning for many who try to bring up the notion of hypocritical actions. That doesn't help your case any.

I understand that having to spam infractions and edits on people that it obviously won't work for is definitely a pain. But the way this is being implemented is not exactly the best method for success here, far from it I must add.

Is that link very, VERY not obviously a spite thread? Of all the threads to call out one of TU's dupes on, you use that to try and claim banworthy action? How that particular response denotes a ban on his part still does not register into my head. After all this time, I still haven't seen any legitimate evidence from TU himself that actually PROVES why he should be banned.

Perhaps I "would know" what I'm talking about if I was, say, given legitimate evidence to close the case. But from my perspective the evidence is far from decisive and leaves much to be desired. Not to mention the post deletion only further proves that any attempts at opposition are simply struck down to prevent having to deal with the incriminating evidence of unjust offenses. Furthermore, do you legitimately believe I would come into this thread with a half-assed argument trying to circle jerk for my friend's sake without knowing a fraction of what I am talking about? Not only is there still no evidence actually proving TU did something ban worthy, but what has he done that's more offensive than calling someone "a loser, scum, and seamen stain"? And then a thread right after comes out declaring that anyone who does a lick of flaming gets banned?

As for this place......it's not my position to do anything. For one, I just don't see the point and personally don't really care. Secondly, even if I DID have enough reason to stay, as surprising as it is I do have other things to spend my time on, much more than I would like to be honest. But with that said, for the person who finds himself in the position to actually head this place, the very least that I would expect is taking actions without doing so in a hypocritical manner. And yet what do I see? Banning others for the littlest things right after very blatantly flaming a user with malicious intent and justifying with "Oh he's a troll, I can do whatever the hell I want because I have power." Smooth way to go about doing things.

^ one of the biggest problems in this section.

And this here.....this enforces my point all the more.

FFS definitely took actions that one could consider banworthy. But hm, looking at the time the ban was imposed and considering there was clear motive to do so, the picture is becoming even clearer.

FFS brings up the point of "covering up tracks" regarding this whole incident. Then soon after, what occurs? The banhammer. The very simple conclusion to make here is that he was calling you out on offenses you have made and then to prevent him from saying any more you banned him.

So what is the rational conclusion to make? Very simple. In an attempt to redirect blame from you being considered the bad guy, you ban the opposition and hide the evidence. He has done things to be banned, but the time that he was banned was very obviously not to punish him for his offenses but was a desperate attempt to shut him out when he decided he had to point out something that he didn't consider right.

I said this was baffling, but now that I think about it, baffling would be an improper term for this situation. Baffling doesn't even begin to cover the sad, sad case in this story.

[[Shikamaru]]

I've been on this site for 2 years just like you?(too lazy to check) I've had plenty of time to tread the waters of the Battlegrounds and try my hand at debating. But usually what I got was an unpleasant response followed by how little I knew about the subject at hand.

Not posting often or at all doesn't mean I don't read a bg thread every once in a while. Though if it's not a response from sticky,wooster, or someone calmer, the response is usually riddled with put downs and other words with a condescending nature. I know people like to debate, but the battlegrounds is not a debate section based on the performance of the people participating thus far.

Wanting to be right doesn't mean you cause trouble and force people the people in charge to step in, every other time. What you expect is highly unrealistic. That said, for all the threats put in the op, there hasn't been a single ban other than FFS, who wandered in 4 or 5 pages later.
Every once in awhile is not at all good enough to comment on the situation. You need to read between the lines, understand the wording of certain individuals, which make certain individuals like me-

Point it out on VERY VERY soft spite threads out of anger of absolutely no logic. If you troll, you will be trolled. That's the name of the game. Get rid of those who troll first, and users like myself can debate in peace.

Not at all, I debate every day against users who expect their points to be dead on.

I've never been banned, I've received less than 10 infractions in 2 years of solid debating. And I'm a pissed off guy. Doesn't mean it's a fairy tale to believe we can't have an intelligent debate section.

My alt was banned (Equinox) because I made two threads, directly quoted megabbaut's posts which were entirely illogical and put them on display to the public which were in no way malicious.

Jinchuriki (a mod) then posted, calling it a spite thread and at one point calling me "pathetic"
He then banned me a few infractions later for questioning his authority in calling out an obvious troll in mega.

[[Shikamaru]]

Refer here to the obvious abuse of the mod title.

http://www.naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106594

Notice everyone else debating, while the mod insults and threatens the OPer.

[TheBlackChidori]

I'm really curious to know what type of secrets I'm trying to keep. This notion actually entertains me. As if the battlegrounds is the CIA, and I'm covering up some huge covert mission gone awry that could land me in jail for abuse of my position. Jesus kids, it's a naruto forum.

It's funny that you think any of you as individuals actually matter to me. It's more funny when inactive memories suddenly jump into the mix. Either way, so be it.

[AshenREAPER]

Odd how some things never seem to get locked. :lol: