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Super Sanin 3
09-28-2011, 06:11 PM
If U.S. goes into a war with another country, should they make a draft? My opinion is that if it gets that bad, it would be the nuclear age. But besides that, I think that since there's an unemployment problem, a draft that targets the unemployed works better, since it gives more people a place in the society. Also the fact that people get ignorant without at least some discomfort, or that the after effects could leave the U.S. in a worse position

But i know crap >.> discussss

Rasengan-
09-28-2011, 09:50 PM
If U.S. goes into a war with another country, should they make a draft? My opinion is that if it gets that bad, it would be the nuclear age. But besides that, I think that since there's an unemployment problem, a draft that targets the unemployed works better, since it gives more people a place in the society. Also the fact that people get ignorant without at least some discomfort, or that the after effects could leave the U.S. in a worse position

But i know crap >.> discussss

The first issue that I would like to address is 'liberty'. The military draft and its core intention is against everything that America stands for, from the rights of man to the rules of law, stated within the American constitution:

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The draft is by definition a 'slave' military force. The compulsion and mandatory service by draftees are slaves. Thus, by any means, despite many Americans being unemployed and even in times of geopolitical crises it is unjust to use force in order to achieve peace and freedom. In fact, the means does not justify the end nor should the end justify the means. Hence, in a firm belief the draft comes into conflict with the moral relevance of the American constitution and humanity in general.

Now, consider the next claim, in a more practical sense. If for whatever reason the end (e.g. WWI and WWII) justifies the means (e.g. conscription) to achieve victory and securing peace, prosperity and freedom for all as a stated objective, this does not mean it will be successful. In fact, quite on the contrary, a volunteer force is much more efficient, effective and motivated. The problem in wars always have been about morale.

It is difficult to argue that draftees are more determined than volunteers. And it is not because one is less patriotic than the other or less American but wars in itself is a primitive foreign policy instrument, and quite barbaric to 'get the job done'. Diplomacy is and always have been the answer to the world's problem. As essence of this anime, war creates a cycle of hatred which is unsustainble.

Furthermore, there is an incentive problem. As stated above, it is morally wrong and unjustified to draft the unemployed. However, hypothetically if we draft the unemployed two incentive problems exist. First, it justifies unemployment. Thereby, allowing the government to adopt policies to produce as much unemployed workers in order to draft them into war. Second, prejudice and discrimination becomes the norm (formally as oppose to substantive).

To conclude, "all men are created equal". P.s if anyone is wondering I'm not American lol.

Bacon
09-29-2011, 09:37 AM
If U.S. goes into a war with another country, should they make a draft? My opinion is that if it gets that bad, it would be the nuclear age. But besides that, I think that since there's an unemployment problem, a draft that targets the unemployed works better, since it gives more people a place in the society. Also the fact that people get ignorant without at least some discomfort, or that the after effects could leave the U.S. in a worse position

But i know crap >.> discussss
Yes, let's force the unemployed to put their lives on the line because they don't have a job. I don't think you understand why a country actually has one. It's not a subtle method of getting rid of people who are less fortunate than others.

As to the point about the being bad situation, since when was it that bad? There's more to these wars than 9/11. Our own security should be called into scrutiny, afterall who gives someone flying lessons and not landing ones?

White Zetsu
09-29-2011, 04:35 PM
as of right now, we do not need a draft, we have a very large volunteer Military, plus our various "reserves" of troops. plus the coast guard. so it would need to be a very large country we are going to war with, like china, or a very large enemy.