Itachi vs Jiraiya

[megabbaut]

Muahaha. haha. HAHAHAHAHA

Jiraiya starts in SM

[Super Sanin 3]

I can tell from now that this will reach 50 pages X_X
Can Ma & Pa break him out of Tsuk.? Naruto warned Bee that it would affect him even though he was a jinchuuriki and this is pretty much the same thing

[UchihaXSasuke]

tsukuyomi can't be used
susanoo,GG

[Super Sanin 3]

But is there a reason he couldn't? The genjutsu lasts seconds and to break out of it he'd need Ma & Pa to release it, it was shown with Bee that there is a time frame before you can break out of genjutsu even if somebody else is intertwined with the opponent's chakra

[UchihaXSasuke]

oh yes i forgot
i was thinking at sasuke's not itachi's
itachi's is shorter so he should be able use it
but from what i know
the toads continously gives jiraya natural chakra
what i would do is atack ma & pa with genjutsu
in 2 seconds ma or jiraya won't notice that he is caught in gen
same with ma
and then jiraya
this could end with genjutsu
but even without
with his susanoo itachi is invincible
jiraya can't pentrate it

[Uchiha Sora]

pretty sure Jiraiya can outspeed the totsuka sword and blast susanoo open from the back. But there is the problem of tsukiyomi.

[UchihaXSasuke]

you wrote wrong tsukuyomi not tsukiyomi
not realy have you seen how fast it pentrated nagato and orochimaru?
and blast open?
jiraya need to blitz at 50 m in the air
itachi will react and you can't even prove that jiraya can blast open full susanoo
and the most powerfull technique of itachi is
Yasaka no Magatama
i don't see jiraya dodge that
i would use the totsuka sword too distract and while jiraya dodges i would use amaterasu or yasaka no magatama to slay

[Kuromaki]

pretty sure Jiraiya can outspeed the totsuka sword and blast susanoo open from the back. But there is the problem of tsukiyomi.
Why would he look at Itachi in the eyes when he knows full well that Itachi is a capable genjutsu user?

[Super Sanin 3]

Susano'o will most likely be used when Jiraiya is like an inch away from Itachi, if Jiraiya does any large "explosive" attacks that make a ton of smoke, Itachi is very likely to extend his sword through it to seal Jiraiya by surprise, like he did vs Nagato, i say tie ^.-

[Uchiha Sora]

you wrote wrong tsukuyomi not tsukiyomi
not realy have you seen how fast it pentrated nagato and orochimaru?
and blast open?
jiraya need to blitz at 50 m in the air
itachi will react and you can't even prove that jiraya can blast open full susanoo
and the most powerfull technique of itachi is
Yasaka no Magatama
i don't see jiraya dodge that
i would use the totsuka sword too distract and while jiraya dodges i would use amaterasu or yasaka no magatama to slay
Well you spelled Jiraiya wrong sooooooo WHAT NOW
Yeha but pretty sure they Oro wasn't paying attention or was too cocky and Nagato couldn't see through the dust.
Chou Oodama Rasengan. Compare it to normal oodama rasengan. Its huge. Multiply oodoma rasengan's explosion by at least 100x. That will blast Susanoo to bits. that thing could probably hollow out a small mountain.

Yasaka is his most powerful ranged technique.


Oh yeah. Sotu.

Why would he look at Itachi in the eyes when he knows full well that Itachi is a capable genjutsu user?

....true.

Ammy is also a problem.

[UchihaXSasuke]

1st
danzo knew sasuke was capable of genjutsu
and still got cought 3 times
you can't fight avoiding eye sight
as well itachi can tsukuyomi trew his ring
and jiraya has no knoledge about that
1.he dies by genjutsu
2.he dies by amaterasu
3.he dies by susanoo
and you can't prove that any rasengan can get trew susanoo or break it
and with yata mirror no chance
and still no counter for Yasaka no Magatama

[Super Sanin 3]

When did he get caught 3 times? The finger genjutsu isn't Tsukiyomi just basic genjutsu, Uchiha Sora's logic shows that it should at least harm Susano'o w/o Yata Mirror, probably destroy it too

[UchihaXSasuke]

1st when itachi apearead
2nd when he made danzo think he has one more sharingan
3rd when he speard him
i don't think so
it was sharingan genjutsu so he should be able to use tsukuyomi as well
he didn't wanted to kill naruto thats why he used normal
and uchiha sora's logic doesn't shows that
the durability of characters in generaly is harder than land or most of the materials
the susanoo has shown to be harder than gaaras sand ,steel,raiton style
and blocked kirin in bones form
since no jutsu jiraya has surpases kirin there is no proof that he can penetrate full susanoo or yata mirror

[Uchiha Sora]

and uchiha sora's logic doesn't shows that
the durability of characters in generaly is harder than land or most of the materials
the susanoo has shown to be harder than gaaras sand ,steel,raiton style
and blocked kirin in bones form
since no jutsu jiraya has surpases kirin there is no proof that he can penetrate full susanoo or yata mirror

Kirin obliterated Susano'o. Kirin was a hill buster.

Chou Oodoma is arguably the same as that if not larger. He won't penetrate Yata. He'll dash behind and blast it open from the back.

I don't see how you can defy this. You see how much larger Chou Oodoma is than the normal one. You can fit a shyt load of normal ones inside the ultra one.

[heroeking]

Itachi uses Tusukuyomi......

And yes Jiraiya will look into his eyes

[TheBlackChidori]

Ma and Pa break Jiraiya out of Tsukiyomi.


Jiraiya has one chance, and that's running away and using Frog Song. Problem is the location is konoha's crater, he has no clones or tunnels to buy him time like against Pain.

Susanoo + Yata Mirror. If he needs to guard his back, he has Amaterasu. And if Jiraiya tries to distance himself, he has that lovely new attack that basically kills Jiraiya's chance of standing a chance in this debate, like it used to.




You gotta remember, Itachi without knowledge took out Nagato at his best, including countering CT. Jiraiya couldn't do the same.

[Wooster]

Itachi has never used Susano and Amateratsu at the same time. Neither has Sasuke in the full sense until he obtained EMS. I say it can't be done.

[TheBlackChidori]

Sasuke did against A right before their fight ended. It's two seperate eyes.

[Super Sanin 3]

Ma and Pa break Jiraiya out of Tsukiyomi.
If it's the same way Jinchuuriki break their host out of it then it would be impossible to break out of it even with Ma&Pa

[J-Man]

you cant use genjutsu so thats out. All he has is susanoo and I dont see why jiraiya is incapable of moving around here. Itachi has no chance, maybe take it like 2 times /10.

[TheBlackChidori]

If it's the same way Jinchuuriki break their host out of it then it would be impossible to break out of it even with Ma&Pa

It's two other conscious "people" giving him chakra to disrupt it, just like Chiyo and Sakura did for Naruto against Itachi.

[Super Sanin 3]

It's two other conscious "people" giving him chakra to disrupt it, just like Chiyo and Sakura did for Naruto against Itachi.
But then shouldn't it be like host/jinchuuriki connections? Both have a connection to the chakra pathways

[Wooster]

Sasuke did against A right before their fight ended. It's two seperate eyes.
As I said full Susano. He ignited the bones, which really proves my point

Explain to me how Itachi could stand in Susano and use amateratsu without frying himself? Only Sasuke can move independently from Susano.

[Super Sanin 3]

Wait why would you fry yourself? :o Sasuke fired a fireball inside of Susano'o so why not?

[Uchiha Sora]

Sasuke can move independent from Susano'o? O_O

[321zigzag3]

Oh look its this thread.

Muahaha. haha. HAHAHAHAHA


http://www.narutoforums.com/image.php?u=97105&dateline=1265818477

[heroeking]

Itachi wins with little/mid difficulty.....

Jiraiya can't break out Tsukuyomi because it lasts about a second in real life time. Itachi susano'o and Sasuke are totally different.
Jiraiya can't move fast enough to dodge Amaterasu. Raikage had to go V2.
Itachi can easily seal Jiraiya and block his attacks easily with the Yata mirror.
Frog song won't work because Itachi can reverse genjutsu.

[Kuromaki]

Itachi uses Tusukuyomi......

And yes Jiraiya will look into his eyes
Why?

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

SM Jiraiya pretty much showed he's faster than V2 Killer B. Itachi managed to put up Susano'o before Kirin struck.

Can Jiraiya dodge long enough for Ma and Pa to use Frog Song?

[heroeking]

Why?


Has no prior knowledge

[Kuromaki]

Has no prior knowledge
Yes, he does.

[heroeking]

Yes, he does.

From what/where??

[Kuromaki]

From what/where??
He's seen Itachi use it on Sasuke. He knew about how it got used on Kakashi. Jiraiya knows who he is and is aware that he is an Uchiha. Etc. etc. In any case, he'll have a defense ready.

[Super Sanin 3]

IIRC Jiraiya probably has a counter to amaterasu since he was studying it in his scroll, but we can't use it for now

[Apollo Justice]

He sealed it for studies but he's dead so hopefully flashbacks better give him more feats.

Anyways can Chou Odama Rasengan break through Susano'o?

I don't think it can.

Is there anything Jiraya can use to stop Susano'o other then summonings?

Can the Boss Summonings or the Giant Rasengan break through this MS defense?

[Super Sanin 3]

I'd say probably regular susano'o but not Yata Mirror

[heroeking]

He's seen Itachi use it on Sasuke. He knew about how it got used on Kakashi. Jiraiya knows who he is and is aware that he is an Uchiha. Etc. etc. In any case, he'll have a defense ready.


Jiraiya didn't even know about let alone see it. In the manga no one noticed except Kisame and he didn't the describe the technique so surely Jiraiya didn't know. Also what page did Kakashi tell Jiraiya?

[UchihaXSasuke]

SM Jiraiya pretty much showed he's faster than V2 Killer B. Itachi managed to put up Susano'o before Kirin struck.

Can Jiraiya dodge long enough for Ma and Pa to use Frog Song?
no he never was faster than V2 KB
exactly and only bones susanoo saved him from kirin
in full susanoo kirin wouldnțt have pentrate it
this shows the durability
and since chou odoma rasengan is weakear than kirin it will never penetrate susanoo
no he cant it is imp.
he will get caught in gen
and die before ma & pa realize
just like with kakashi
they just saw him falling

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Itachi put up a Susanoo before Kirin struck because he put it up before Kirin was fired. While Sasuke was going on about how he's teh 1337 haxx0rz.

[UchihaXSasuke]

prove that skyfire
we only saw itachi's susanoo after kirin not before
he activated it in the moment sasuke launched it

[UchihaXSasuke]

and it doen't matter when susanoo was activated
i was talking about the defense power
if bones susanoo saved his ass against kirin it will definetly tank any rasengan

[TheBlackChidori]

SM Jiraiya pretty much showed he's faster than V2 Killer B. Itachi managed to put up Susano'o before Kirin struck.

Can Jiraiya dodge long enough for Ma and Pa to use Frog Song?

How? As I recall, Itachi reacted to everything Nagato used. Jiraiya had problems with 3 of Pain's weaker paths.

[THE susanoo]

well jiraiya was like the only person itachi was actualy afraid of (else he wouldent of ran for his life against him when he came after naruto (pre TS)) so there must be a reason for that

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

He was buying into the hype the Sannin possessed rather than actually examining Jiraiya's abilities.

[Super Sanin 3]

well jiraiya was like the only person itachi was actualy afraid of (else he wouldent of ran for his life against him when he came after naruto (pre TS)) so there must be a reason for that
Itachi knew a simple genjutsu wouldn't work on Jiraiya, they said it themselves, Itachi likely didn't want to even capture Naruto, why would he tell Kakashi when they first fought about it anyways?

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

no he never was faster than V2 KB
exactly and only bones susanoo saved him from kirin
in full susanoo kirin wouldnțt have pentrate it
this shows the durability
and since chou odoma rasengan is weakear than kirin it will never penetrate susanoo
no he cant it is imp.
he will get caught in gen
and die before ma & pa realize
just like with kakashi
they just saw him falling

How? As I recall, Itachi reacted to everything Nagato used. Jiraiya had problems with 3 of Pain's weaker paths.

If Preta/Nagato can react to an attack, he sets up the chakra-absorbing barrier before the attack makes physical contact.

V2 Killer B was a couple meters away and made contact with Nagato. He then absorbed his chakra.

Jiraiya was roughly 30-40 meters away and made contact with Preta. If Preta was able to react, then he'd set up the barrier as shown on the next page and with Naruto's Rasenshuriken.

To save time, here are the chapters: Preta's absorption - Ch. 377 pg. 14,
Rasenshuriken - Ch. 433 pg. 10

Jiraiya's distance: Ch. 377, pg. 11

Killer B's distance: Ch. 550, pg. 16

[J-Man]

Why are you guys arguing about genjutsu and looking into itachis eyes doesnt jiraiya start with Sage Mode?

[Jikūkan]

He was buying into the hype the Sannin possessed rather than actually examining Jiraiya's abilities.

Itachi already one hit KO'd Oro with a genjutsu like he were a regular Jounin. I doubt someone like Itachi was basing his battle plans off of rumors and other things of the like. Itachi also grew up in the leaf, and probably knows at least the power difference between Jiraiya + Orochimaru as compared to other leaf nin such as Kakashi, Asuma, Gai and other highly skilled Jounin.

He wasn't about to jump into a fight with a ninja he wasn't certain he could defeat, for essentially no reason.

~~

Anyway, if I had to choose between one of the two in a long witted slobber knocker of a fight. I'd give it to Jiraiya based on feats, but as scary as it seems, I don't think we've even seen Itachi as his fullest(kinda obvious I suppose, but you gotta wonder what his fullest would include?) Perhaps like his fight with Sasuke, cept with winning actually in his mind. And a body that isn't disease ridden~

[Roronoa Zoro]

Jiraya could only beat 3 paths with knowledge. Itachi beat Nagato like it was nothing with no knowledge what so ever and was calm throughout the whole fight

[TheBlackChidori]

well jiraiya was like the only person itachi was actualy afraid of (else he wouldent of ran for his life against him when he came after naruto (pre TS)) so there must be a reason for that

No. Itachi didn't want to make a scene.

As he said, he just poked his head into the village to let the village elders know "Hey, I'm still here."

[UchihaXSasuke]

jiraya will never be able to hurt itachi

itachi uses yasaka magatama gg
(http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yasaka_Magatama)

[Roronoa Zoro]

No. Itachi didn't want to make a scene.

As he said, he just poked his head into the village to let the village elders know "Hey, I'm still here." Exactly and to let them know ''Hey if you guys let anything happen to my little brother i'll have you guys heads'' Itachi will not be beated by Jiraya and Jiraya basically can't look at Itachi period because he can use genjutsu not just from his eyes but his body as well. What we know of his fingers but he is way smarter then Jiraya in my opinion and hell even smarter then Shikamaru. It takes alot of intelligences to beat ET Nagato with no knowledge and Itachi stayed calm and figured out Nagato's Celestial Terra Blast in a matter of seconds and seal him. Itachi would beat Jiraya.

[Super Sanin 3]

What makes this so dangerous is that if Jiraiya isn't paying attention for even half a second Itachi's sword of trollolol will stab him easily, then there's YM which being his strongest attack should do major damage, and Susano'o is activated pretty quickly to begin with
Jiraiya has a lot of jutsu that could damage him but Itachi has more efficient ones

[Uchiha Sora]

pretty sure YM is his strongest ranged attack.

[Super Sanin 3]

pretty sure YM is his strongest ranged attack.
Most of his attacks are pretty much ranged based anyways if it was stronger than the sword of trollolol it'd be unstoppable
Plus that means it's still stronger than amaterasu

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Pretty sure what Itachi said about YM is being taken in the wrong context.He said for everyone to use their strongest ranged attack. He was in a critical situation that needed guaranteed results instead of what-ifs.

The Sword of Totsuka's best ability is to seal one's soul. Otherwise, it's just another sword. There's no guarantee that it'd be strong enough to cut through CT. Even then, CT might still have it's gravitational pull. That's out of the question.

Amaterasu wouldn't have been a good choice either. As we've seen, it's not "as hot as the sun" and doesn't burn that quickly. If Itachi were to set CT aflame, then there's no guarantee that it would even affect it in time before Itachi and Friends get crushed.

This is where YM comes in. Apparently, it's Itachi's strongest ranged attack that causes destruction. However, we don't even know it's strength as it was combined with a 9-Tails influenced Rasenshuriken and a Full 8-Tails Tailed Beast Ball.

[Uchiha Sora]

Most of his attacks are pretty much ranged based anyways if it was stronger than the sword of trollolol it'd be unstoppable
Plus that means it's still stronger than amaterasu

pretty much what NagatoGod_of_Pain said. Ammy doesn't really cause destruction, its a different type of power. YM may be weaker than totsuka,ammy,tsukuyomi,etc. But its the strongest ranged attack that could be used on the CT Nagato was creating

[Super Sanin 3]

But it would still be Itachi's most destructive long ranged attack, and IIRC Susano'o and its weapons > the weaker MS techniques, seems unfair that we can't use YM just because it doesn't have any "real feats"

[Inuyasha]

well jiraiya was like the only person itachi was actualy afraid of (else he wouldent of ran for his life against him when he came after naruto (pre TS)) so there must be a reason for that

He was buying into the hype the Sannin possessed rather than actually examining Jiraiya's abilities.

There's that and he was already fatigued from using Tsukiyomi on Kakashi and Sasuke and then using Amaterasu to escape the "Toad Mouth Trap".

[Uchiha Sora]

But it would still be Itachi's most destructive long ranged attack, and IIRC Susano'o and its weapons > the weaker MS techniques, seems unfair that we can't use YM just because it doesn't have any "real feats"

I never said we couldn't use it. I was just saying YM probably isn't his strongest move.

[Kuromaki]

Jiraiya didn't even know about let alone see it. In the manga no one noticed except Kisame and he didn't the describe the technique so surely Jiraiya didn't know. Also what page did Kakashi tell Jiraiya?
I take that back, it's not explicitly stated that he knows (as far as I can tell) but it can be inferred from the fact he knows about Itachi and saw it in action that he knows about it, and he had to talk with Kakashi about it at some point considering that Kakashi experienced it first hand and Itachi was a threat.

Anyhow, he has Sage Mode here, and the constant flow of nature energy pretty much negates this .
Itachi knew a simple genjutsu wouldn't work on Jiraiya, they said it themselves, Itachi likely didn't want to even capture Naruto, why would he tell Kakashi when they first fought about it anyways?
Really?

[Super Sanin 3]

Really?
Not in the obvious "lol i'm a double agent" way, either Kisame or Itachi said "i knew a simple genjutsu like that wouldn't work on a sannin"