Sasuke VS Gaara

[Uchiha Sora]

Location:A forest clearing,
SoM:IC
Restrictions:Kirin,Shukaku,genjutsu,Armored Susano'o
Prep:10mins
Knowledge:Manga
Distance:50m
Scenario 2:Armored Susano'o allowed
Scenario 3:Neither can fly(Desert Suspension/Hawk Summoning)

MS Sasuke.

[Apollo Justice]

Sasuke can blitz can't he?

Gaara's sand was fast at the Kage summit but if Sasuke rushes at Gaara like he did to Deidara and Tobi, he can end it.

If not he can use Ammy to end it if there is any problems.

[J-Man]

really ._.

Gaara cant really do a thing to sasuke.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Even though these were both off-panel, Gaara managed to block both Amaterasu and A's Guillotine Drop. Those are some of the two fastest attacks in Naruto.

I think we'll get a clearer view of this fight once the next chapter is out. Kishi blatantly set up Gaara so that he'll get some new feats for having the "Ultimate Defense".

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Even though these were both off-panel, Gaara managed to block both Amaterasu and A's Guillotine Drop. Those are some of the two fastest attacks in Naruto.

Why do people keep bringing this up. First of all, when Sasuke used Amaterasu, the same was already moving to attack him. That it intercepted Amaterasu was basically a coincidence.

Secondly, and I'm going to do a bunch of stuff to my words here:
A WAS NOT MOVING THAT FAST WHEN HE DROPKICKED SASUKE.


When someone jumps into the air, be they the Raikage, Batman or Jesus H Christ, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire, the speed at which they fall thereafter is determined entirely by the force gravity would exert on a person of their size.

Unless A suddenly developed the ability to alter gravity, he was falling at a speed that any normal human could have reacted to. Why is it so hard for you people to grasp this concept?



That being said, the first thing Gaara does is take flight and cover himself in one of them balls of sand. IF he can do that without being killed, the fight is his. Prison Sand Burial. Sasuke gets dragged to the center of the earth. He dies. He is not mourned.

[Uchiha Sora]

Yeah, the ammy and guillotine drop feats are better feats for durabiltiy of his sand

[Shikamaru Nara]

But that by no means, means that Gaara can win.

Especially in Scenario 2 with armor.

[megabbaut]

Sasuke can blitz can't he?

Gaara's sand was fast at the Kage summit but if Sasuke rushes at Gaara like he did to Deidara and Tobi, he can end it.

If not he can use Ammy to end it if there is any problems.
Gaara doesn't have to react. The sand would just block it, since it is automatic. Also, Deidara and Kakashi reacted to his blitz, so it's not really that hard to counter.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Gaara never really moved on foot, and Kakashi/Deidara, as far as feats go, > Gaara in speed. Especially Kakashi.

[megabbaut]

Gaara's base speed doesn't really matter. The sand does everything for him, and it was fast enough to catch Deidara's bird.

[Super Sanin 3]

When someone jumps into the air, be they the Raikage, Batman or Jesus H Christ, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire, the speed at which they fall thereafter is determined entirely by the force gravity would exert on a person of their size.
But he's using force to do the drop kick, there's gravity + the force he inserted for his kick

Depends what could pierce his sand imo, if he can spear it he just needs to be in 5m range, i'm sure Gaara's sand got faster, but Sasuke did too
Not to mention Susano'o without armor tanked Gaara's attack plus other powerful attacks from his teammates

[UchihaXSasuke]

sasuke's susanoo > gaara's defense
sasuke's atacks>gaara's atack
in conclusion sasuke wins
sasuke beated once gaara

sasuke's raiton style is big help
and sasuke can dodge the sand and chidori gaara
and there is no proof that sasuke can't slap gaara to death

Gaara's base speed doesn't really matter. The sand does everything for him, and it was fast enough to catch Deidara's bird.
but not fast enough to stop sasuke or lee

Why do people keep bringing this up. First of all, when Sasuke used Amaterasu, the same was already moving to attack him. That it intercepted Amaterasu was basically a coincidence.

Secondly, and I'm going to do a bunch of stuff to my words here:
A WAS NOT MOVING THAT FAST WHEN HE DROPKICKED SASUKE.


When someone jumps into the air, be they the Raikage, Batman or Jesus H Christ, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire, the speed at which they fall thereafter is determined entirely by the force gravity would exert on a person of their size.

Unless A suddenly developed the ability to alter gravity, he was falling at a speed that any normal human could have reacted to. Why is it so hard for you people to grasp this concept?



That being said, the first thing Gaara does is take flight and cover himself in one of them balls of sand. IF he can do that without being killed, the fight is his. Prison Sand Burial. Sasuke gets dragged to the center of the earth. He dies. He is not mourned.
the laws of fizic doesn't aplies in manga
they fall faster and A kicked not just fall
also a thunder hit's the earth faster than a human falls
and A is like a thunder
almost
sasuke dodge's gaara's sand and uses chidori spear to kill him
+ susanoo can't be crushed by prison sand burial

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

But he's using force to do the drop kick, there's gravity + the force he inserted for his kick

When you jump into the air, whatever force you may have been putting into a kick ceases to, you know, exist. Unless you have the ability to increase the force of your fall such as via gravity manipulation.

the laws of fizic doesn't aplies in manga
they fall faster and A kicked not just fall
also a thunder hit's the earth faster than a human falls
and A is like a thunder
almost
sasuke dodge's gaara's sand and uses chidori spear to kill him
+ susanoo can't be crushed by prison sand burial

Rule #1 of fiction. It's just like real life until otherwise specified. So until you can prove that A was defying gravity, he was falling slowly.

A fell, he didn't kick. He jumped up into the air so he could drop down on Sasuke and decapitate him.

Thunder hits the Earth at the speed of sound. On account of being sound.

Prove A was "like a thunder".

Sasuke is using Susanoo, he doesn't move, so he gets caught and by then it's too late.

Susanoo doesn't need to be crushed by Prison Sand Burial for Sasuke to die, on account of being buried a bajillion meters beneath the earth.

[heroeking]

Sasuke chidori's his blade and slices the sand and Gaar's head off.

[Equinox]

Why do people keep bringing this up. First of all, when Sasuke used Amaterasu, the same was already moving to attack him. That it intercepted Amaterasu was basically a coincidence.

Secondly, and I'm going to do a bunch of stuff to my words here:
A WAS NOT MOVING THAT FAST WHEN HE DROPKICKED SASUKE.


When someone jumps into the air, be they the Raikage, Batman or Jesus H Christ, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire, the speed at which they fall thereafter is determined entirely by the force gravity would exert on a person of their size.

Unless A suddenly developed the ability to alter gravity, he was falling at a speed that any normal human could have reacted to. Why is it so hard for you people to grasp this concept?



That being said, the first thing Gaara does is take flight and cover himself in one of them balls of sand. IF he can do that without being killed, the fight is his. Prison Sand Burial. Sasuke gets dragged to the center of the earth. He dies. He is not mourned.
LOL you don't determine how fast someone moves when they attack from a panel.

You determine it from who they are blitizing.

V2 Raikage blitzed MS Sasuke, meaning he's faster.

Gaara reacted to both of them, estimated a center meeting point, released his sand and blocked both attacks. It doesn't matter how long he was standing there. His sand reached them in time.

He did react. He also caught Deidara while on his clay bird.

At any rate, Sasuke's Genjutsu and Amy pose quite an issue, as Gaara cannot directly react to Amy or break Sasuke's genjutsu in time.

Also, when an airplane soars into the air, it goes around 500 mph.
Same difference for Raikage, his brute strength and speed launched him from the ground at an immense speed.

[Equinox]

If Gaara is in a complete sphere shield of Sand and utilizing Third eye, Tsukyomi will not work since it reqires eye contact. Genjutsu will not work since Gaara is shut off from all outside influence in the sphere of sand.
Does nothing for Kirin, advanced fire style, or Susano arrows.

[megabbaut]

At any rate, Sasuke's Genjutsu and Amy pose quite an issue, as Gaara cannot directly react to Amy or break Sasuke's genjutsu in time.
Genjutsu is banned, and Gaara does not have to react to Ammy. The sand shield is automatic, so any time Sasuke tries to attack, the sand will go right up to it and block it. And since Gaara blocked A's lightning kick, he can arguably block any of Sasuke's moves, or at least his lightning jutsus anyway. (With the exception of Kirin, which isn't going to be prepped due to Sasuke repeatedly being attacked)

Susanoo would be caught in quicksand after a giant sand tsunami.

[Equinox]

Genjutsu is banned, and Gaara does not have to react to Ammy. The sand shield is automatic, so any time Sasuke tries to attack, the sand will go right up to it and block it. And since Gaara blocked A's lightning kick, he can arguably block any of Sasuke's moves, or at least his lightning jutsus anyway. (With the exception of Kirin, which isn't going to be prepped due to Sasuke repeatedly being attacked)

Susanoo would be caught in quicksand after a giant sand tsunami.
Not at all true.

Weightless Lee blitzed the sand in base.

Gaara has no indication Sasuke can burn you with his eyes.

Amy is probably the fastest or second to fastest Jutsu in the entire manga. Stating Gaara's sand can block it means Gaara probably can solo the entire Naruto universe.

Lightning Blade pierced Gaara's defensive with ease, and that was PTS Sasuke, without the extension.

Also, you have no counter for Susano arrows, Kirin, or Fire style.

[megabbaut]

Not at all true.

Weightless Lee blitzed the sand in base.

Gaara has no indication Sasuke can burn you with his eyes.

Amy is probably the fastest or second to fastest Jutsu in the entire manga. Stating Gaara's sand can block it means Gaara probably can solo the entire Naruto universe.

Lightning Blade pierced Gaara's defensive with ease, and that was PTS Sasuke, without the extension.

Also, you have no counter for Susano arrows, Kirin, or Fire style.
This was all part 1, and Gaara's sand has improved in speed drastically to the point where it can keep up with Deidara's clay bird.

Which is proven false when Amaterasu failed to burn into Gaara's sand, therefore fire jutsu are ineffective against Gaara. It doesn't matter how fast it is, since the sand is automatic. Nothing has shown to be able to blitz it in part 2.

A's kick>>>>>>>Lightning Blade. And you're talking about Chidori, by the way.

Kirin is banned, fire style is blocked easily, and Susanoo cannot fire an arrow when it is buried in quicksand.

[Equinox]

This was all part 1, and Gaara's sand has improved in speed drastically to the point where it can keep up with Deidara's clay bird.

Which is proven false when Amaterasu failed to burn into Gaara's sand, therefore fire jutsu are ineffective against Gaara. It doesn't matter how fast it is, since the sand is automatic. Nothing has shown to be able to blitz it in part 2.

A's kick>>>>>>>Lightning Blade. And you're talking about Chidori, by the way.

Kirin is banned, fire style is blocked easily, and Susanoo cannot fire an arrow when it is buried in quicksand.
Not his defensive. He has no better features in un occupied protection from his automatic sand.

Not at all, his fire style completely decimated the temple vs. Itachi, and blew up Orochimaru's hideout when Sai attempted to assassinate him.

His fire style is far from non-destructive. It blew apart concrete temples and domes.

Where does Gaara get sand to completely bury Susano? He has no time to break down minerals.

I wouldn't say A's Kick has better penetration power than Chidori.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

V2 Raikage blitzed MS Sasuke, meaning he's faster.

Beyond irrelevant.

Gaara reacted to both of them, estimated a center meeting point, released his sand and blocked both attacks.A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."


It doesn't matter how long he was standing there. His sand reached them in time.You're right, it doesn't, because his sand reaching them is not an impressive feat.

He did react. He also caught Deidara while on his clay bird. Even more irrelevant. Deidara on his clay bird isn't Mach 38320954723095723054.

Also, when an airplane soars into the air, it goes around 500 mph.
And when it falls its speed is determined by gravity's effect on a machine of its size, provided it does not use its mastery of gravity to enhance the speed at which it falls. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...irr elevant.

[Super Sanin 3]

Although i do not believe fire style would hurt him thanks to the sand's good tank feats vs "explosive" attacks, Sasuke usually spam his MS, chances are if the sand attempts to blitz he'll go susano'o instantly, and the sand takes time to gather like vs Kimimaro, i still think it's possible but not that easily

[Equinox]

Beyond irrelevant.

A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."


You're right, it doesn't, because his sand reaching them is not an impressive feat.

Even more irrelevant. Deidara on his clay bird isn't Mach 38320954723095723054.

And when it falls its speed is determined by gravity's effect on a machine of its size, provided it does not use its mastery of gravity to enhance the speed at which it falls. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...irr elevant.
Sure is impressive.

Especially when you have to read the opponents movement, break down the sand from the gourd, and move it to an estimated area where they will clash, leaving them both unharmed. This before V2 Raikage knees Sasuke.

LOL if he was moving that slow Sasuke would have grabbed him with Susano.

Dude you're wrong.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

I'm going to repeat this because you either didn't read it, or refused to. And I'm going to keep repeating it until you accept the fact that you're wrong or ragequit because you can't accept that fact.

A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."

[Equinox]

I'm going to repeat this because you either didn't read it, or refused to. And I'm going to keep repeating it until you accept the fact that you're wrong or ragequit because you can't accept that fact.

A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."
Slowly fall?

Had he "slowly fallen" Sasuke would have been able to Amy him, grab him with susano, punch him, incinerate him with fire style, or move out of the way.

Yet the sand reached them before Sasuke's Amy could reach Raikage, meaning the sand is fast, and Gaara did react.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."

[Super Sanin 3]

But how would the leg damage anybody than? Considering it needs either speed or a hell load of weight to do any damage and he wanted to break susanoo ribs with it

[Equinox]

A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."
Again, if any human could react,

Raikage would now be burned to death before the sand blocked Amy.

But since Gaara is above superhuman reaction, he moved his sand there before MS Sasuke could react with Amy.

Making it a valid feature.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

But how would the leg damage anybody than? Considering it needs either speed or a hell load of weight to do any damage and he wanted to break susanoo ribs with it

Lightning Jutsu + leg = Super-slicy Leg of Doom.

Again, if any human could react,

Raikage would now be burned to death before the sand blocked Amy.
A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."

[Equinox]

Lightning Jutsu + leg = Super-slicy Leg of Doom.


A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."
Stop repeating.

Counter your own statement.

Any human could react. Sasuke didn't react before Gaara did.

You literally just gave the win for me.

Gaara's reaction was faster than that of MS Sasuke according to you.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

A jumped into the air. He proceeded to sloooooowly fall towards Sasuke. As any normal human could react to such a fall, Gaara's superhuman reflexes more than allow him to react in that time. It in no way, shape or form remotely proves in even the slightest way that Gaara is capable of reacting to A unless you mean "An A that is falling at a speed determined by gravity's effect on a person of his size."

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Why do people keep bringing this up. First of all, when Sasuke used Amaterasu, the same was already moving to attack him. That it intercepted Amaterasu was basically a coincidence.

Secondly, and I'm going to do a bunch of stuff to my words here:
A WAS NOT MOVING THAT FAST WHEN HE DROPKICKED SASUKE.

When someone jumps into the air, be they the Raikage, Batman or Jesus H Christ, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire, the speed at which they fall thereafter is determined entirely by the force gravity would exert on a person of their size.

Unless A suddenly developed the ability to alter gravity, he was falling at a speed that any normal human could have reacted to. Why is it so hard for you people to grasp this concept?

That being said, the first thing Gaara does is take flight and cover himself in one of them balls of sand. IF he can do that without being killed, the fight is his. Prison Sand Burial. Sasuke gets dragged to the center of the earth. He dies. He is not mourned.

Oh by no means did I mean the the Guillotine Drop is as fast as A moves. I brought that up in one of A's debates. What I meant is that Gaara's sand was fast enough to block his attack from literally centimeters away.

Ch. 464, pg. 2 - Bottom left panel shows how close A was to Sasuke's Amaterasu. Yet, Gaara managed to block even that attack.

Sasuke said himself that he had to use Amaterasu for defensive purposes against Gaara. Don't think it was a coincidence that it merely intercepted. Whatever the case, I'm sure Gaara has more sand than Sasuke's pain threshold on using Amaterasu.

[Super Sanin 3]

Force downwards + gravity = faster
Raikage has immense strength, so he can produce great force downwards, if we use that logic, then you can put a bar of soap and the raikage's leg in the same spot with Raikage kicking downwards, and they'll hit the ground at about the same time

[Equinox]

Force downwards + gravity = faster
Raikage has immense strength, so he can produce great force downwards, if we use that logic, then you can put a bar of soap and the raikage's leg in the same spot with Raikage kicking downwards, and they'll hit the ground at about the same time
Read the previous posts.

According to his logic any "human" could react to Raikage's V2 knee blitz.

Meaning Gaara was able to, and Sasuke wasn't.

Lol

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Sasuke said himself that he had to use Amaterasu for defensive purposes against Gaara.

So we were both wrong. Gaara's sand didn't intercept Amaterasu, Amaterasu intercepted Gaara's sand.

Force downwards + gravity = faster
Raikage has immense strength, so he can produce great force downwards.

Well, why didn't you say in the first place that immense strength gives A the power to increase the force gravity exerts? We could have saved alot of trouble. So, A falls at ten times the speed of light, meaning Sasuke's reaction speeds are massively faster than light, which means that Gaara loses.

[Super Sanin 3]

Anyways different logic here: if he blocks the kick that would have gone past the Amaterasu spikes and susano'o ribs with a thing layer of sand (small distance between Sasuke and the leg), what would happen with a large layer?

Well, why didn't you say in the first place that immense strength gives A the power to increase the force gravity exerts? We could have saved alot of trouble. So, A falls at ten times the speed of light, meaning Sasuke's reaction speeds are massively faster than light, which means that Gaara loses.
A's extra force =/= changing gravity

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

A pulled a Barry Allen and was using Infinite Mass Leg Drop. Susanoo would have been totally annihilated.

[Equinox]

So we were both wrong. Gaara's sand didn't intercept Amaterasu, Amaterasu intercepted Gaara's sand.



Well, why didn't you say in the first place that immense strength gives A the power to increase the force gravity exerts? We could have saved alot of trouble. So, A falls at ten times the speed of light, meaning Sasuke's reaction speeds are massively faster than light, which means that Gaara loses.
Technically almost every ninja in the entire manga has used strength to move faster via air.

KN4 KB did it against Sasuke, and Sasuke dodged.

Kakashi did it basically the entire Hidan Kakuzu arc, dodging the hearts by leaping off the trees.

And Naruto was able to blitz Kakuzu via air fall before he could react. Meaning since I'm human, I could react, but subsonic Kakuzu didn't.

They all moved equal speed, if not faster than what they would running on solid ground.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

So what you're saying is, you've got nothing.

Either way, I've already outlined how this fight goes down. You can accept it or you can keep going on about how Gaara reacted to Mach 38450298350925829436824035 A(which we both know he didn't) and continue to make yourself look more and more ridiculous.

Sasuke reacted to A's slooooooooooow leg-drop with the Amaterasu spikes, his first use of Blaze Release unless I'm mistaken. Yes, A was falling at a speed any normal human could have reacted to. No Gaara did not react faster than Sasuke, but even if he had, it wouldn't matter because that's called an outlier. Kishimoto's a hack, so inconsistencies are inevitable, especially where the author's darling, Sasuke, is involved.

[[Shikamaru]]

So what you're saying is, you've got nothing.

Either way, I've already outlined how this fight goes down. You can accept it or you can keep going on about how Gaara reacted to Mach 38450298350925829436824035 A(which we both know he didn't) and continue to make yourself look more and more ridiculous.

Sasuke reacted to A's slooooooooooow leg-drop with the Amaterasu spikes, his first use of Blaze Release unless I'm mistaken. Yes, A was falling at a speed any normal human could have reacted to. No Gaara did not react faster than Sasuke, but even if he had, it wouldn't matter because that's called an outlier. Kishimoto's a hack, so inconsistencies are inevitable, especially where the author's darling, Sasuke, is involved.
Lol you outlining something only ends in the world blowing up

The universe cannot comprehend your logic, it's unfounded

So in the spirit of safety, be quiet now

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

I'm sure whatever you had to say is fascinating, and probably involves insulting me and/or whining about how I'm wrong because you can't accept the fact that I'm right, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, as I've already stated, what I said is how the fight goes down.

The first thing Gaara does is take flight and cover himself in one of them balls of sand. IF he can do that without being killed, the fight is his. Prison Sand Burial. Sasuke gets dragged to the center of the earth. He dies. He is not mourned. And for your added benefit:

if
conjunction
1. in case that; granting or supposing that; on condition that.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot something. I had assumed you would be able to infer this from my other statements, but I don't know if I can trust your intelligence, so just in case:

In the event that Gaara is unable to take flight and cover himself before getting killed, Sasuke wins. On account of having been the one to kill Gaara.

[UchihaXSasuke]

sand burial doesn't works
sasuke's susanoo is harder than kimimaro's bones
and kimimaro withstanded sand burial preasure

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Way to fail basic logic.

Difference between Kimimaro's bones and Sasuke's Susanoo. Anyone? Anyone?

That's right. Kimimaro's bones don't require a constant use of chakra to maintain.

Prison Sand Burial doesn't need to destroy Susanoo to kill Sasuke. As soon as he runs out of energy to use Susanoo with, he's dead.

[rinneganforce]

Sasuke, he's better then gaara in everything. Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Taijutsu, Strength, Speed, and has more stamina and intellict.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

If Sasuke is smarter than Gaara I'm Mary Queen of Scots.

[heroeking]

Why is this a debate?

Sasuke doesn't even need to go all out. Sasuke genjutsus Gaara and cuts his face off.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Restrictions: genjutsu

Reading comprehension will save your life one day.

[TheBlackChidori]

Sasuke once penetrated Gaara's defense shell with Chidori. Since then he's grown a wide variety of new variations on that, Chidori Spear being his most effective in this battle.

Scenario 2 is a no contest.

I'm not convinced Gaara's sand could even crush non-armored Susanoo. It couldn't crush Kimmimaro's bones, and I'm not even going to start debating about his bones Vs. Susanoo.

His reactions to Naruto, Itachi, Deidara, and Danzo are more than enough to show that he would be faster than Gaara, and his sand. Since Sasuke can alter the course of his Amaterasu, he can keep Gaara on the defensive and attack from a completley different direction. Chidori Spear takes care of his shell. Let's go back to elements 101, and completely ignore the Raikage fights.

Has the Hawk if it becomes a sky battle, can still launch Chidori spears. Knows how to catapult himself off into the sky as seen against Deidara.


I mean really. Gaara's only chance is flying and getting away and launching sand prisons. But Sasuke has several ways he could kill him. Measure the scenarios, Sasuke wins more time then not.

[heroeking]

Reading comprehension will save your life one day.

Chidori Needle through the neck??????

Chidori Blade through the face?????????

Kirin is over kill.........

Blaze Release........................

Simple blitz........................

[megabbaut]

Chidori Needle through the neck??????

Chidori Blade through the face?????????

Kirin is over kill.........

Blaze Release........................

Simple blitz........................
The first two are blocked effortlessly. Kirin is banned. Blitzing is suicide.
Can you read the OP before saying anything else? kthxbye.

Sasuke once penetrated Gaara's defense shell with Chidori. Since then he's grown a wide variety of new variations on that, Chidori Spear being his most effective in this battle.

Scenario 2 is a no contest.

I'm not convinced Gaara's sand could even crush non-armored Susanoo. It couldn't crush Kimmimaro's bones, and I'm not even going to start debating about his bones Vs. Susanoo.

His reactions to Naruto, Itachi, Deidara, and Danzo are more than enough to show that he would be faster than Gaara, and his sand. Since Sasuke can alter the course of his Amaterasu, he can keep Gaara on the defensive and attack from a completley different direction. Chidori Spear takes care of his shell. Let's go back to elements 101, and completely ignore the Raikage fights.

Has the Hawk if it becomes a sky battle, can still launch Chidori spears. Knows how to catapult himself off into the sky as seen against Deidara.


I mean really. Gaara's only chance is flying and getting away and launching sand prisons. But Sasuke has several ways he could kill him. Measure the scenarios, Sasuke wins more time then not.
Gaara's sand is far stronger than it was back then to be able to block the Raikage's kick with his lightning armor on. Sasuke's lightning jutsus would be a joke for Gaara. So would his fire style. Amaterasu failed to get past Gaara's sand, and since Sasuke's strongest fire jutsu was blocked, he can block any of Sasuke's fire jutsu.

Susanoo will not be able to fire a single arrow after it is buried during a giant sand tsunami.

Naruto wasn't even fighting back. He was greatly exhausted from KN4, and the only ones fighting were Sai and Yamato. Itachi went super easy on him and let him win. If he was going all out, Sasuke wouldn't have been able to react to anything, let alone lay a scratch on him. Deidara reacted to Sasuke both times when he blitzed, so if he can't even hit Deidara before he can react, he ain't blitzing Gaara's sand any day. He hasn't shown anything against Danzo besides spamming MS. His Chidori Spear only reaches up to 5 m, and the starting distance is 50 m. He not getting any closer to Gaara when he has sand coming at him in all directions, while it keeps coming and coming.

The Hawk is fodder in this fight. Gaara was even able to catch Deidara's bird, and the Hawk would be no different.

[Uchiha Sora]

People keep saying Kirin. If Kirin was in then Gaara would lose too easily. So I banned it.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Sasuke would never use Kirin anyway. Too much effort and prep needed for something that can be done with lesser jutsus, quite outside of the fact that it's a last resort.

[megabbaut]

He can't prep it even if it was allowed.

Kirin take a massive amount of set-up, hell if it's a sunny day who says that Sasuke can call on it like he did during his fight with Itachi? Sure it always happens to strangely rain during or after Sasuke fights but whose to say the weather will be in his favor?

Just saying that people can't say he automatically bust out Kirin because he CAN'T!. Hell he needed Itachi's flames to set it up as well and since only his amaterasu is powerful to make thunderclouds it'll take an extreme amount of luck or weather changing power for Sasuke to pull it off.

[Uchiha Sora]

sand burial doesn't works
sasuke's susanoo is harder than kimimaro's bones
and kimimaro withstanded sand burial preasure

Pretty sure Kimi's bones were harder than steel. Why don't u prove that Susano bones are harder lol



Just saying that people can't say he automatically bust out Kirin because he CAN'T!. Hell he needed Itachi's flames to set it up as well and since only his amaterasu is powerful to make thunderclouds it'll take an extreme amount of luck or weather changing power for Sasuke to pull it off.

lol u saved that paragraph didnt u

[heroeking]

What stops Sasuke from blitzing like last time??????

[Super Sanin 3]

Eh comments for both sides
Sasuke: -Has piercing attacks while Raikage's leg drop was a blunt attack, this includes Susano'o arrows and chidori variants
-It's debatable if he'll have a desert of sand in the beginning, he could have only it's gourd worth until he makes more
-Likes to spam the MS and Susano'o w/o armor tanked Gaara's ninjutsu sand attack and 3 other attacks
Gaara: -Has his mother's soul inside his sand, which from latest chapters seems to give good offense/deffense
-Was able to block the Raikage's kick, probably can stop a blitz if it happens

[megabbaut]

What stops Sasuke from blitzing like last time??????
The sand.

[heroeking]

The sand.

Yet it didn't stop Part 1 SAsuke..........fail..........hard

[megabbaut]

Yet it didn't stop Part 1 SAsuke..........fail..........hard
Gaara is not the same as he was in part 1

[UchihaXSasuke]

Pretty sure Kimi's bones were harder than steel. Why don't u prove that Susano bones are harder lol




lol u saved that paragraph didnt u
danzo atacked susanoo with a kunai wich is steel
it broked instantanous
not to talk how many atacks he endoured
sasuke betead gaara once
he can beat him second
sasuke is faster than unweight lee now in shippuden
and gaara can't keep up
naruto managed to dodge gaara's sand and rasengan him
BASE NARUTO
what stops sasuke?

Originally Posted by megabbaut http://naruto.viz.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5544673#post5544673)
Gaara is not the same as he was in part 1
sasuke isn't the same eighter
he was at lee's speed
and blitzed gaara
now he is even faster
Excuse me for double post

[Super Sanin 3]

When did Naruto rasengan Gaara? If it's a movie or something they wouldn't count

[UchihaXSasuke]

dude movies are maked after the manga
the movie is the same thing we do
analizing the subjects and than tell who's gonna win and why
there are numerous people who continuosly dodged gaara's sand

[Uchiha Sora]

dude movies are maked after the manga
the movie is the same thing we do
analizing the subjects and than tell who's gonna win and why
there are numerous people who continuosly dodged gaara's sand

I don't think Gaara flew. I don't think Gaara used sand armor. I don't think Gaara was going all out. Even if he was, its non canon.

[UchihaXSasuke]

gaara never flew with earth oponents
not IC

[Uchiha Sora]

gaara never flew with earth oponents
not IC

it is IC. He likes his sand cloud. A lot. He was pretty eager to use it

[Super Sanin 3]

Not sure if that would be IC, Gaara said he could have always lifted himself during the Kimimaro fight, and Kimimaro was taijutsu based, but he didn't do it until he had to avoid his last attack

[Apollo Justice]

Meaning he only uses it in a situation where he needs to, basically against flight opponents like Deidara, Muu, etc.

Sasuke is a ground opponent so he probably wouldn't use it unless he feels like Sasuke's speed or something would be a problem. Then he could fly up to avoid any more blitzing attempts or chidori spear as well.

[UchihaXSasuke]

deidara was hit by chidori spear in air

[Uchiha Sora]

Not sure if that would be IC, Gaara said he could have always lifted himself during the Kimimaro fight, and Kimimaro was taijutsu based, but he didn't do it until he had to avoid his last attack

but with knowledge, he would use it just to be safe

[Super Sanin 3]

but with knowledge, he would use it just to be safe

He still didn't use it on Kimimaro just to be safe, if anything Sasuke has more long range jutsu than Kimimaro does, including Susano'o arrows, and he says "Gaara, my defense is even more absolute than yours" without the armor

[UchihaXSasuke]

and susanoo is imune to sand
like he already has shown

[megabbaut]

and susanoo is imune to sand
like he already has shown
Susanoo is not saving Sasuke from being buried by a sand tsunami

[UchihaXSasuke]

yes it does
susanoo can't just move out of the sand

[Uchiha Sora]

He still didn't use it on Kimimaro just to be safe, if anything Sasuke has more long range jutsu than Kimimaro does, including Susano'o arrows, and he says "Gaara, my defense is even more absolute than yours" without the armor

He has knowledge on chidori, sasuke's speed, etc. With that knowledge, he'd get on his sand cloud.

Gaara can dodge most of the long ranged jutsu. His sand cloud is faster than Oonoki IIRC

Have the arrows ever hit something? Whats their destructive capacity? I don't really remember

That really could be just be Sasuke's ego talking. They seem pretty equal to me.

[Super Sanin 3]

Actually it may be able to survive, if you look at the panel where Kimimaro is buried than see how large Susano'o is, how much sand does Gaara start out with?
He has knowledge on chidori, sasuke's speed, etc. With that knowledge, he'd get on his sand cloud.

Gaara can dodge most of the long ranged jutsu. His sand cloud is faster than Oonoki IIRC

Have the arrows ever hit something? Whats their destructive capacity? I don't really remember

That really could be just be Sasuke's ego talking. They seem pretty equal to me.
For the sake of the argument we can say he gets on the sand cloud, since it really doesn't get anywhere.

The arrows are fast, Danzo couldn't get time to activate Izanagi which is 3 hand seals, and he transformed from armorless to armored susano'o and got his bow+arrow equipped too and pierced through the bridge i believe

His armorless susano'o still tanked the 4 attacks like nothing

[UchihaXSasuke]

the susanoo arrow is imposibile to dodge
danzo said it himself,he used that tree to barely move the arrow trajectory
and still the arrow hited danzo but he saved his ass with izanaghi
kakashi too couldn't dodge so he had to kamui
and the distructive power is seen first time
the arrow penetrated a 5 m diameter tree and the bridge
both hashirama tree and the bridge are stronger than gaara's sand
and at that speed gaara's sand can't react

[Uchiha Sora]

Actually it may be able to survive, if you look at the panel where Kimimaro is buried than see how large Susano'o is, how much sand does Gaara start out with?

For the sake of the argument we can say he gets on the sand cloud, since it really doesn't get anywhere.

The arrows are fast, Danzo couldn't get time to activate Izanagi which is 3 hand seals, and he transformed from armorless to armored susano'o and got his bow+arrow equipped too and pierced through the bridge i believe

His armorless susano'o still tanked the 4 attacks like nothing

he has 10mins prep, and he said making sand out of the ground takes little to no effort. So i'd say about as much as he fought kimi with if not more. I still can't tell if he prepped that sand against kimi or he turned the minerals into sand mid-battle.

Yeah, i know they're fast. But how STRONG? gaara's sand is fast too, Sasuke said he had to guard himself with an enton just to stop the sand. Which is what he had to do to stop A from blitzing the hell out of him. So it should be fast enough to block an arrow.

Yeah, I looked over it and thats one huge a$$ explosion lol. But Gaara can crush his feet from below.



the arrow penetrated a 5 m diameter tree and the bridge
both hashirama tree and the bridge are stronger than gaara's sand
and at that speed gaara's sand can't react
Possibly the tree, but the bridge probably not.

[UchihaXSasuke]

dude gaara was never atacked by sasuke to see if he can reacts
gaara didn't reacted to sasuke taijutsu
and sasuke's taijutsu is way slower than susanoo arrow
kakashi and danzo admited that they should have been dead

[Super Sanin 3]

he has 10mins prep, and he said making sand out of the ground takes little to no effort. So i'd say about as much as he fought kimi with if not more. I still can't tell if he prepped that sand against kimi or he turned the minerals into sand mid-battle.

Yeah, i know they're fast. But how STRONG? gaara's sand is fast too, Sasuke said he had to guard himself with an enton just to stop the sand. Which is what he had to do to stop A from blitzing the hell out of him. So it should be fast enough to block an arrow.

Yeah, I looked over it and thats one huge a$$ explosion lol. But Gaara can crush his feet from below.
Oh 10 minutes? Didn't see that... but now that I think about it that's why everybody was saying that Kirin would play a big part, with 10 minutes he could likely have a mini desert because of the Konoha crater's setting. This could likely be the case if he grabs Gaara's feet, since he has no real foothold. But it does take chakra to control the mass amount of sand because he barely had chakra at the end of the Kimimaro fight (said by Kimi) and he kneeled down when he used that crap load of sand to protect from the C3, I would say Gaara wins if Sasuke wasn't likely to go Susano'o at the very beginning and shoot his arrow, which IDK if Gaara could block

[UchihaXSasuke]

with 10 minutes?
kirin gg
since sand is daton
and kirin raiton
and raiton>daton
there is no blocking
and even with 10 minutes
gaara was out of chakra after he protected the village
and if he even does manage to protect from kirin
sasuke goes susanoo and shots an arrow into his head,with no chance of dodging or blocking cause of the exaustion

[Super Sanin 3]

I can see Gaara protecting himself from Kirin by using a large shield of sand like vs C3 bomb, his sand blocked Raikage's kick which was raiten so wouldn't matter much here
It depends how tired Sasuke and Gaara are after prepping Kirin and blocking it respectively
If Sasuke's too tired he gets sand burial'd from below, if Gaara is tired Sasuke has to pull a quick Susano'o arrow before he recovers, don't forget he still managed to move the sand before he went down

[Uchiha Sora]

with 10 minutes?
kirin gg
since sand is daton
and kirin raiton
and raiton>daton
there is no blocking
and even with 10 minutes
gaara was out of chakra after he protected the village
and if he even does manage to protect from kirin
sasuke goes susanoo and shots an arrow into his head,with no chance of dodging or blocking cause of the exaustion

Does anyone even read the OP anymore? Kirin is banned.
Kirin is pure lightning, not lightning style.
Im pretty sure Gaara is Wind natured, not earth.
he ran dry after making a city sized shield. Sasuke could never do that. And he had already been fighting before that.

Susano'o isn't IC anyway, hes only used it out of hatred or extreme danger. But once he sees that Sand, he probaby will use it right away.

Sasuke probably wins scenario 2 tho. UNless Gaara can get under susanoo with his sand and crush sauce's feet

[Apollo Justice]

deidara was hit by chidori spear in air

Chapter 358 page 161

He didn't reach it on his own he could only get about Five Meters by Deidara's calculation.

Then later on.

Chapter 358 pages 170-172

He used his sword to jump higher with CS2 having one wing in order to cut off C2 Dragon's wing with the Chidori Spear, it was something Deidara didn't expect.

In this fight there is no Curse Mark no wings and no way for him to fly or get that high up unless he uses a hawk summoning. He's only shown the hawk summoning one time in the fight against Danzo.

Still with all that being said it's still out of character for Gaara to randomly use a cloud so this is Sasuke's victory.

[UchihaXSasuke]

the hawk can still be used
to reach gaara and then chidori him

[Apollo Justice]

Yea he definetly uses a Hawk to escape Sand Tsunami whoever said Gaara ends this with that is wrong, because Sasuke showed that summoning randomly while bloodlusted for Danzo.

If he's willing to use it in a bloodlusted angered state then yes.

[Uchiha Sora]

Sasuke's not gonna beat Gaara in an air battle. If you think he can, re read Gaara VS Deidara.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

The Sauce summons the hawk. Gaara Sand Coffin's the hawk. The hawk dies. Sasuke falls back down to earth. :P

[Super Sanin 3]

I'd say Sasuke's only choices are hitting Gaara with a Susano'o arrow or using Kirin to make Gaara shield himself, thus tiring him (but this also tires Sasuke)
Deidara's bird couldn't escape Gaara's sand so it's unlikely that Sasuke's hawk can

[Uchiha Sora]

well kirin is banned

[Apollo Justice]

Sasuke's not gonna beat Gaara in an air battle. If you think he can, re read Gaara VS Deidara.

I didn't say he would re-read what I said Deidara beat Sasuke with his air battle Sasuke could only get Deidara because of CS2 and his sword as a foothold.

But it's not IC for Gaara to use a cloud against someone who fights down on ground. Sasuke summons a hawk to avoid Sand Tsunami. That still doesn't mean it's an air batte only he uses the Hawk to get close to his opponent like he did with Danzo.

[Uchiha Sora]

I didn't say he would re-read what I said Deidara beat Sasuke with his air battle Sasuke could only get Deidara because of CS2 and his sword as a foothold.

But it's not IC for Gaara to use a cloud against someone who fights down on ground. Sasuke summons a hawk to avoid Sand Tsunami. That still doesn't mean it's an air batte only he uses the Hawk to get close to his opponent like he did with Danzo.

I was directing that to everyone, not you specifically.

Well if he knows being on the ground makes him more vulnerable to chidori and sasuke's speed... why would he stay on the ground? And remaining on the ground is suicide considering Gaara will grip Sasuke's feet with the sand and crush him

[Super Sanin 3]

Doesn't Gaara need to tap the ground or something to do giant sand burial? I think i saw him do that vs Kimimaro

[Uchiha Sora]

Doesn't Gaara need to tap the ground or something to do giant sand burial? I think i saw him do that vs Kimimaro

he does, but if Sasuke's already under the sand then he will just go down to the ground to do it

how about a 3rd scenario... where neither can fly. xD

[Super Sanin 3]

he does, but if Sasuke's already under the sand then he will just go down to the ground to do it

how about a 3rd scenario... where neither can fly. xD
It makes him open though, if he's protected by Susano'o there's a big chance he can attack him by surprise
If Sasuke decides to use arrows instantly, it could end this. He did it pretty quick when he unlocked it

[Apollo Justice]

I was directing that to everyone, not you specifically.

Well if he knows being on the ground makes him more vulnerable to chidori and sasuke's speed... why would he stay on the ground? And remaining on the ground is suicide considering Gaara will grip Sasuke's feet with the sand and crush him

Still just saying is all.

Still doesn't mean he will fly up until completely nessicary.

He has to grind up the ground first to make it into more sand material before unleashing a full Sand Tsunami. Sasuke summons the hawk very quickly.

Doesn't Gaara need to tap the ground or something to do giant sand burial? I think i saw him do that vs Kimimaro

He used Sand Tsunami then yes he placed his hands on the ground to use Giant Sand Burial.

[UchihaXSasuke]

to show you the durability of susanoo
read when kirin struck itachi's bones susanoo
kirin made some damage but gara has nothing that strong as kirin
think at the susanoo that tanked 4 atacks like nothing
and gaara can't dodge susanoo's arrow

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

If Gaara were to win he wouldn't need to get past Susanoo. He'd just drag Sasuke underground and Sasuke would eventually deactivate it on his own from lack of chakra. At which point he gets crushed to death. Provided he doesn't suffocate first.

[UchihaXSasuke]

he can't
he needs a masive amount of chakra and sasuke can summon the hawk to get out

[Vivi]

to show you the durability of susanoo
read when kirin struck itachi's bones susanoo
kirin made some damage but gara has nothing that strong as kirin
think at the susanoo that tanked 4 atacks like nothing
and gaara can't dodge susanoo's arrow



Itachi's Susanoo has the 3 Imperial Regalia.
In other words the Yata Mirror.

Sasuke's one has only shown the Bow and Arrow.

Or show me 1 Panel of Sasuke's Susanoo holding the Yata Mirror.
Heck he doesn't even have the Flask in it's 3rd Arm but a Flame.

So stop comparing the two.

[UchihaXSasuke]

it doesn't matter what items
susanoo will never be crushed by any sand
this fight is won by base sasuke
sasuke can simply blitz trew all the sand and then chidori gaara
the speed is great

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

he can't
he needs a masive amount of chakra and sasuke can summon the hawk to get out

No, he doesn't. And the hawk does nothing. Gaara Sand Coffins it. Back to square one for the Sauce.

it doesn't matter what items
susanoo will never be crushed by any sand


No one ever said it needed to be for Gaara to win.

[Uchiha Sora]

@UchihaXSasuke
All Gaara has to do is grip his feet. Gaara uses sand tsunami. Sauce flies away. Hawk gets killed due to gaara's superior air tactics. Sasuke stands on sand again. Sasuke gets sand coffined

[UchihaXSasuke]

dude just counter this
sasuke with his speed get's to gaara and than chidori's him

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Sasuke stabs himself in the face with Chidori in a valiant but futile attempt to make Naruto(the manga not the character) not suck.

[Uchiha Sora]

dude just counter this
sasuke with his speed get's to gaara and than chidori's him

50 meters away... 10 mins prep... Gaara can counter with sand shields thicker than normal.. He knows what chidori is. So he can counter it with sand shields larger than sasuke's arm length. Or he can just fly up in the air.

[heroeking]

50 meters away... 10 mins prep... Gaara can counter with sand shields thicker than normal.. He knows what chidori is. So he can counter it with sand shields larger than sasuke's arm length. Or he can just fly up in the air.

Gaara can't use his floating technique without creating more sand which is Suicide against Sasuke.

Also with a Chidori Blade, Sasuke easily cuts through the sand and turns Gaara into turkey strips.

[megabbaut]

Gaara can't use his floating technique without creating more sand which is Suicide against Sasuke.

Also with a Chidori Blade, Sasuke easily cuts through the sand and turns Gaara into turkey strips.
With 10 mins prep Gaara has more than enough time to create more sand.

And his sand blocked A's lightning kick which >>>Chidori Blade... and his chidori blade was blocked by killer bee

[Super Sanin 3]

From the last fight it seems Gaara's sand was so fast Sasuke had to use an Enton to block it, if he keeps having to block it he'll get exhausted so he'd need Susano'o, which although is a large chakra pit is more reliable than spamming enton's, plus that was only some sand from his gourd
the sand he needs to fly is what less than half of his gourd? Probably less considering he can make a huge solid sphere shield around himself with the sand from his gourd too
I have to say he might be better off on the ground though, considering when he makes that massive Tsunami won't he have to touch the ground to do the burial? But then again he could just try attacking his legs and possibly sinking him

[heroeking]

With 10 mins prep Gaara has more than enough time to create more sand.

And his sand blocked A's lightning kick which >>>Chidori Blade... and his chidori blade was blocked by killer bee

Killerbee negated his chidori blade with another chidori blade.................

A was falling at a normal ninja speed........

A kick is powerful but doesn't have piercing and cutting power like a chidori blade which is why he easily cuts through sand.

[heroeking]

From the last fight it seems Gaara's sand was so fast Sasuke had to use an Enton to block it, if he keeps having to block it he'll get exhausted so he'd need Susano'o, which although is a large chakra pit is more reliable than spamming enton's, plus that was only some sand from his gourd
the sand he needs to fly is what less than half of his gourd? Probably less considering he can make a huge solid sphere shield around himself with the sand from his gourd too
I have to say he might be better off on the ground though, considering when he makes that massive Tsunami won't he have to touch the ground to do the burial? But then again he could just try attacking his legs and possibly sinking him

Gaara blocked Raikages kick not Enton.

[Super Sanin 3]

Gaara blocked Raikages kick not Enton.
Afterwards he attacked Sasuke with his sand and Sasuke had to block with Enton said by himself

[Uchiha Sora]

Afterwards he attacked Sasuke with his sand and Sasuke had to block with Enton said by himself

WHich means Gaara's sand>>Sasuke in speed lol

[heroeking]

Afterwards he attacked Sasuke with his sand and Sasuke had to block with Enton said by himself

Look at the state Sasuke was in. He didn't even move,

[heroeking]

WHich means Gaara's sand>>Sasuke in speed lol

Sasuke is faster than Deidara's sand.

Just think about, Gaara abrely could defend himself with a whole village of sand plus an automatic defense. Sasuke did it with just speed and jutsu alone.

[Uchiha Sora]

Sasuke is faster than Deidara's sand.

Just think about, Gaara abrely could defend himself with a whole village of sand plus an automatic defense. Sasuke did it with just speed and jutsu alone.
Sasuke said he had to guard himself with an enton, like he did with A. Implying that he wouldn't be able to avoid it.

You realize he lost BECAUSE of the village right? Deidara was gonna blow it to bits, so Gaara got distracted and protected it, wasting crap loads of energy moving a city/large town sized sand shield to the sky in a matter of seconds. Thats when two little birdies flew in and boom.

[Super Sanin 3]

Sasuke is faster than Deidara's sand.

Just think about, Gaara abrely could defend himself with a whole village of sand plus an automatic defense. Sasuke did it with just speed and jutsu alone.
Gaara used a HUGE amount of sand in that shield, if he used that on Sasuke he couldn't dodge it, plus Deidara only hit Gaara because the bombs were in the sand, and the C3 bombs wasn't aimed at him, he blocked the other bombs with ease
Thats when two little birdies flew in and boom.
Was that was happened or were the bombs in the sand? I thought he blocked those

[heroeking]

Sasuke said he had to guard himself with an enton, like he did with A. Implying that he wouldn't be able to avoid it.

You realize he lost BECAUSE of the village right? Deidara was gonna blow it to bits, so Gaara got distracted and protected it, wasting crap loads of energy moving a city/large town sized sand shield to the sky in a matter of seconds. Thats when two little birdies flew in and boom.

Not really Deidara could've killed him from the start but he needed him alive.

[Uchiha Sora]

Was that was happened or were the bombs in the sand? I thought he blocked those

Oh yeah he did block those. Thats when Deidara complimented his sand's speed again. lol. I 4got, Deidara planted bombs in his sand when he was getting crushed


Not really Deidara could've killed him from the start but he needed him alive.

Well if he didn't exhaust all of that energy moving that shield, he may not have been knocked out as easily.

Also Sauce had the elemental advantage, rendering Deidara's bombs useless.

[heroeking]

Gaara used a HUGE amount of sand in that shield, if he used that on Sasuke he couldn't dodge it, plus Deidara only hit Gaara because the bombs were in the sand, and the C3 bombs wasn't aimed at him, he blocked the other bombs with ease

Was that was happened or were the bombs in the sand? I thought he blocked those

Gaara doesn't have a village of sand to create that shield though. Just think about Sasuke is faster than Kimmimaro so he'd pretty much dodge everything x2. I forgot what happened but even if Gaara does catch Sasuke, he has Susano'o to protect himself.

[Super Sanin 3]

Gaara blocked everything Deidara threw at him except the bombs inside his shield, Sasuke having to use an Enton showed that Gaara's sand speed is incredible, and he's not using mass amounts of sand like he has because of prep
Gaara doesn't have a village of sand to create that shield though. Just think about Sasuke is faster than Kimmimaro so he'd pretty much dodge everything x2. I forgot what happened but even if Gaara does catch Sasuke, he has Susano'o to protect himself.
Yeah i get what you're saying but he has 10 min prep time, and since we're using the most current feats Sasuke was surprised at how quick the sand was, if he goes Susano'o his feet are still vulnerable, he caught Kimi with that be4

[heroeking]

Sasuke said he had to guard himself with an enton, like he did with A. Implying that he wouldn't be able to avoid it.

You realize he lost BECAUSE of the village right? Deidara was gonna blow it to bits, so Gaara got distracted and protected it, wasting crap loads of energy moving a city/large town sized sand shield to the sky in a matter of seconds. Thats when two little birdies flew in and boom.

Sasuke was half way dead though.

[heroeking]

Gaara blocked everything Deidara threw at him except the bombs inside his shield, Sasuke having to use an Enton showed that Gaara's sand speed is incredible, and he's not using mass amounts of sand like he has because of prep

Not really Sasuke was to the point of Death. Raikage messed him up badly.

[Uchiha Sora]

Sasuke was half way dead though.

Sasuke complimented it himself. its not like he didn't say anything about it but guarded with an enton anyway. THEN I could see what you mean.
And I don't think halfway dead person has the strength to pump out more ammy and Susano'o. He wasn't even hurt THAT badly. Nothing compared to Bee's Lariat.

Also Gaara's sand gets under susano'o. Since Sauce will be standing on it

[Super Sanin 3]

It was still a fraction of the sand in his gourd, Kankuro and Temari also had sand around them at the same time, here he has 10 min of prep so loads and loads of sand to attack with from all directions

[heroeking]

Sasuke complimented it himself. its not like he didn't say anything about it but guarded with an enton.
And I don't think halfway dead person has the strength to pump out more ammy and Susano'o.

Also Gaara's sand gets under susano'o. Since Sauce will be standing on it

Sasuke was almost dead but because he has a lot of chakra/ hatred/ and PNJ he can spam techniques.

I don't think sand can get under Susano'o because the chakra forms from bottom to top with no opening Kinda like a cloak.

[heroeking]

It was still a fraction of the sand in his gourd, Kankuro and Temari also had sand around them at the same time, here he has 10 min of prep so loads and loads of sand to attack with from all directions

But with 10 min of prep Sasuke can prep Kirin. I'm not riding Sasuke it's just more logical. Oops forget this post....

[Uchiha Sora]

Sasuke was almost dead but because he has a lot of chakra/ hatred/ and PNJ he can spam techniques.

I don't think sand can get under Susano'o because the chakra forms from bottom to top with no opening Kinda like a cloak.

Nothing compared to Bee's Lariat. It wasn't life threatening.

PG 478 pg 8. He's on the ground all right.


But with 10 min of prep Sasuke can prep Kirin. I'm not riding Sasuke it's just more logical.
Kirin is banned. If it wasn't then the debate would turn into: Can sasuke survive long enough to prep kirin? lol

[heroeking]

Nothing compared to Bee's Lariat. It wasn't life threatening.

PG 478 pg 8. He's on the ground all right.



Kirin is banned

Well Sasuke was hurting "every cell in his body" so he definetly had a disadvantage.

Sasuke fought Darui/Shii/Raikage/Samurai before he started fighting Gaara. Plus he was almost killed by Raikage.

[heroeking]

Nothing compared to Bee's Lariat. It wasn't life threatening.

PG 478 pg 8. He's on the ground all right.



Kirin is banned. If it wasn't then the debate would turn into: Can sasuke survive long enough to prep kirin? lol


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[Uchiha Sora]

Well Sasuke was hurting "every cell in his body" so he definetly had a disadvantage.

Sasuke fought Darui/Shii/Raikage/Samurai before he started fighting Gaara. Plus he was almost killed by Raikage.

He only took one chop and it was cushioned by Susano'o. Pretty sure he's been in worse conditions
And going by what Sasuke said, his sand is fast regardless of pain.

[heroeking]

He only took one chop and it was cushioned by Susano'o. Pretty sure he's been in worse conditions
And going by what Sasuke said, his sand is fast regardless of pain.

He said as I quote, "I can't believe I had to block your sand with amaterasu." "Looks like you defense is still goo, but mine is better!"

Part 1 Sasuke easily dodged the sand. He was pretty much dieing during the whole Hawk vs Kage summit chapters. That's undeniable.

[Uchiha Sora]

He said as I quote, "I can't believe I had to block your sand with amaterasu." "Looks like you defense is still goo, but mine is better!"

Part 1 Sasuke easily dodged the sand. He was pretty much dieing during the whole Hawk vs Kage summit chapters. That's undeniable.

"I can't believe I had to" pretty much sells my point. I'm probably using a different website for the manga then u since he doesn't say anything about his own defense until he blocks those attacks

I wouldn't say dying. He was exhausted at times, but not dying. He was DYING when Bee blew off his chest cavity lol Thats the most pain we've ever seen Sasuke in.

Its not like the sand needs to be faster than Sasuke to win tho.

[megabbaut]

He said as I quote, "I can't believe I had to block your sand with amaterasu." "Looks like you defense is still goo, but mine is better!"

Part 1 Sasuke easily dodged the sand. He was pretty much dieing during the whole Hawk vs Kage summit chapters. That's undeniable.
OK first of all how does kage summit Gaara's sand compare to pts chunin exam gaara's sand? It is much faster (it got to Deidara's bird) and stronger (it blocked A's kick)

Well he was healed by Karin between each fight. The first time was after Madara sent him to the dimension, and the second time was after the Danzo fight, but before Danzo took her hostage.

[Super Sanin 3]

The every cell burning thing was vs Mizukage and it was Susano'o cauing that pain

[Uchiha Sora]

The sand also blocked point blank explosions from deidara.

[heroeking]

The sand also blocked point blank explosions from deidara.

Sasuke blocked/dodged point blank explosions........

[heroeking]

OK first of all how does kage summit Gaara's sand compare to pts chunin exam gaara's sand? It is much faster (it got to Deidara's bird) and stronger (it blocked A's kick)

Well he was healed by Karin between each fight. The first time was after Madara sent him to the dimension, and the second time was after the Danzo fight, but before Danzo took her hostage.

How would you compare a Sasuke who fought countless Samurai, Darui, Shii, and Raikage against a non injured healthy Gaara?

[heroeking]

"I can't believe I had to" pretty much sells my point. I'm probably using a different website for the manga then u since he doesn't say anything about his own defense until he blocks those attacks

I wouldn't say dying. He was exhausted at times, but not dying. He was DYING when Bee blew off his chest cavity lol Thats the most pain we've ever seen Sasuke in.

Its not like the sand needs to be faster than Sasuke to win tho.

Sasuke would have died from exhaustion even if he would have been able to leave. It doesn't sell your point because there was other things involved. Such as Sasuke fighting Samurais,Darui,Shii,Raikage.

[Uchiha Sora]

Sasuke blocked/dodged point blank explosions........ ik he did. Which means its as fast as Sauce if not faster ;)

How would you compare a Sasuke who fought countless Samurai, Darui, Shii, and Raikage against a non injured healthy Gaara?

"I can't believe I had to guard with an enton" meaning he can't believe Gaara's sand is so fast.

[heroeking]

ik he did. Which means its as fast as Sauce if not faster ;)



"I can't believe I had to guard with an enton" meaning he can't believe Gaara's sand is so fast.


No it doesn't. First of all you can't assume things because it helps your argument. I can't believe I had to guard with enton means exactly what it says. You can't infer because it could a have been a number of things.

Also why would you base Gaara sand against a Sasuke who was so barely injured???????

Gaara sand isn't as fast a Sasuke or faster as shown with the Sasuke vs Deidara fight.

I could just say Sasuke blitzes before Gaara reacts, I'm trying to make this an actual fight.

Also what can Gaara do to chidori needles?????

[Uchiha Sora]

No it doesn't. First of all you can't assume things because it helps your argument. I can't believe I had to guard with enton means exactly what it says. You can't infer because it could a have been a number of things.

Also why would you base Gaara sand against a Sasuke who was so barely injured???????

Gaara sand isn't as fast a Sasuke or faster as shown with the Sasuke vs Deidara fight.

I could just say Sasuke blitzes before Gaara reacts, I'm trying to make this an actual fight.

Also what can Gaara do to chidori needles?????

Like? I'm assuming he meant that its fast considering:
1)the sand was going after Sasuke
2)Sasuke used enton to block A because he couldn't react.
It just adds up. And as I said, it doesn't have to be faster than Sasuke. That just makes my argument easier but I don't feel that its necessary

I don't understand that question...

Proof? Pretty sure blocking the bombs basically every time proves my point in reaction

From 50m? Even deidara reacted to that from a closer distance

Block them....? they barely stuck in Deidara's bombs IIRC

[Super Sanin 3]

Gaara can use the ground to attack Sasuke, when the sand failed to reach Kimimaro is their fight he grabbed Kimi by his feet, Kimi also only had time to use his finger bullets in between dodges which got blocked with ease, the needles are sharp but Gaara's sand has incredible defense

[UchihaXSasuke]

isn't sand and electricity conductor?

[megabbaut]

No it is not an electricity conductor and even if it is it would not be the case with Gaara's sand.

[Super Sanin 3]

New feats heavily support Gaara here

[Uchiha Sora]

howd this thread come back lol