Gaara and Minato vs Muu

[THE X UCHIHA]

all are equal in speed but this doesn't mean Minato can't use his techniques.

the Battle field is about a desert where the sand amounts are unlimited and both Gaara and Muu get started flying in the air

Gaara starts surrounded by mother shield.

Gaara's sand latest feat in Chapter 553/3 are going to be considered here .. he did managed to create a foothold for Naruto before Muu can use Jinton atomic mantling jutsu which is known of its high speed.



Minato already put some seals on Gaara's sands.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Gaara and Minato cease to exist in any physical manner. If Muu can casually dodge a back attack from Naruto Gaara and Minato certainly can't do more than annoy him to death with yo momma jokes.

[THE X UCHIHA]

2 questions are, the first is can Gaara Sand reach Muu before he Jinton Gaara ? and the 2nd is can Gaara Sand receive a Jinton AM or block its way off ? I mean Minato did put some seals on the sand he can surprise Muu with a very close rasengan to the face.

just sayin'

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

To question 1: No, no it can't.
To question 2: No, no it can't.

[THE X UCHIHA]

To question 1: No, no it can't.
To question 2: No, no it can't.

what I'm tryin' to point out here is , may be Gaara can make his sands Get Jinton'd instead.

ok lets say Gaara can't.

till now all what u've said is typically considerable and makes sense
but what u didn't explain is how Muu gonna jinton Minato.

explain that and Muu wins.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Mu > Naruto > Minato. There you go. Explained. Mu uses Detachment of the Primitive World Technique. Minato teleports or runs or whatever he does in an attempt to tag Mu with Rasengan. Mu casually dodges, just like he did Naruto. The difference is, this time Mu rams a dust jutsu where the sun don't shine and Minato ceases to exist.

[[Shikamaru]]

Mu > Naruto > Minato. There you go. Explained. Mu uses Detachment of the Primitive World Technique. Minato teleports or runs or whatever he does in an attempt to tag Mu with Rasengan. Mu casually dodges, just like he did Naruto. The difference is, this time Mu rams a dust jutsu where the sun don't shine and Minato ceases to exist.

Easy to say someone dodges casually when you're obviously discounting the fact Space/Time Jutsu basically means you travel without the aspect of time.

The only "instant" Jutsu in the manga is Minato's porting tags.

Nobody in this manga can dodge a rasengan once they're tagged. Which Minato will do with Gaara's sand cover. Directly to the face.

Mu has absolutely no clue where the tags on the sand are. More importantly, he doesn't know Minato can teleport.

But most importantly, he doesn't know Gaara's sand is rigged for certain death once it reaches a 5 meter radius of Mu's body.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

So what you're saying is, you have nothing to counter my arguments and admit that Mu shoved a dust jutsu up their asses before they can do anything about it.

[[Shikamaru]]

So what you're saying is, you have nothing to counter my arguments and admit that Mu shoved a dust jutsu up their asses before they can do anything about it.
What I'm saying is you're betting on someone who has absolutely no knowledge on an instantaneous space time Jutsu that puts Minato 3 feet from his opponents face at the speed that requires no time.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say.

Minato's ass + dust release = good times.

[[Shikamaru]]

Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say.

Minato's ass + dust release = good times.
You + Logic = Pipe dream.

Good luck.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Me + logic = victory.

You + my unbeatable arguments = butthurt.

[[Shikamaru]]

Me + logic = victory.

You + my unbeatable arguments = butthurt.
Counter or move on.

Your entire argument is the basis of fanboyism.

I'm treating your stupidity, just listen.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

I don't need to counter, I've already provided an argument that you have failed to beat with anything other than MIN AWTO IZ TEH TELUHPROT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Minato teleports three feet away. Big whoop.

Naruto surpassed Minato like 500,000,000,000(five hundred billion) chapters ago and Mu casually dodged a back attack from him. What's Minato gonna do? Oh right, die.

So scenario:

Mu, being a troll, allows Gaara and Minato to set up their combos to their hearts content. Minato teleports three feet away. He tries a Rasengan. BUT WAIT! Mu, with his RM Naruto back-attack dodging skeelz, casually avoids Minato's rasengan and kills him with a dust release. Minato dies. The end.

No, my arguments are not based on fanboyism, that would be your arguments. You can't accept the fact that Minato has no way of hitting Mu and you're mad that you can't beat me so you seek to poison the proverbial well by attacking me instead of my arguments. For shame, fanboy, for shame.

[GucciBandana]

Mu is an amazing sensor, he can sense Naruto(as fast as A)'s attack from blind point, Minato's teleporting really can't do much to surprise Mu, he doesn't have extendable arms like Naruto's 9 tail chakra, the best he can hope for is Hiraishin level 2, but Mu isn't someone who can't use any jutsu to attack and can only teleport people like Madara was, doesn't have to dodge a Kunai, he can simply deflect it or destroy it.
while on the other hand, Mu can go completely invisible, Minato can't sense him that way, Gaara can, but if he can't cancel out Jinton like Onoki, it would be useless, one Jinton, even if Minato can get out of the way, if Gaara can't, he would be finished, and now Minato has no way of knowing where Mu is, very difficult situation for him.

Minato might have to teleport Gaara with him together when Mu launches a Jinton, if Gaara can't dodge it or block it. even thou Im not sure how Minato can hurt Mu and if Gaara's sand will do great damage on Mu, I see Minato vs Gaara winning this one thou, might be very hard, if Mu doesn't figure out everything about Hiraishin right away(seems not that difficult, A kinda had an idea about it in their first encounter), then Gaara + Minato can pull it off.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Minato and Gaara can't do anything to Mu. He doesn't need to figure out anything about Hiraishin to win. All he needs to do is lob a dust release at them and they die. Simple as.

[GucciBandana]

Minato and Gaara can't do anything to Mu. He doesn't need to figure out anything about Hiraishin to win. All he needs to do is lob a dust release at them and they die. Simple as.

it is possible for Minato to escape it with Hiraishin, however his space time jutsu isn't as advanced as Madara, so he can't go into a different dimension to avoid it, he can teleport to one of his kunais placed out of Jinton's damaging area to avoid it thou.

if it was one on one I agree Mu would beat both of them, but it's 2 vs 1, and each one of them has skills that would work on Mu's jutsu(sensing sand to detect invisibility, S/T jutsu to avoid Jinton).

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Assuming he's fast enough, which is debatable, and if he did teleport away, what then? Back to square one. The only way they can win is to bore Mu to death. Or maybe make him commit suicide by calling him names and hurting his feelings.

[THE X UCHIHA]

In addition to Minato rasengans Gaara's sands are fast enough to distract Muu , Minato is present wherever the sands are and by the time the two are doin' that Muu gonna have no time to Jinton them as he is busy avoiding the attacks from all directions, In the mean while Gaara in his mom's shield is gathering Sands from the desert to create a huge Tsunami and then Sand coffin Muu , if Muu gonna use Jinton the sands gonna get dusted and not Gaara and Minato especially when Minato TPs himself away and Muu finds himself under a sky of sands that is going to coffin him down and not making him able to see who is the one that he's going to Jinton at , the only target that'd receive the attack is the sand.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Like I said, back to square one. Gaara and Minato can't do anything to him and (though I really really really really really doubt it) I give the benefit of the doubt to your claims that he can't do anything to them (mainly because you'll do nothing but wank for fifty pages and I don't want to have to deal with it. I'm having enough trouble dealing with the level of wank you're at now).

So it's a stalemate.

If you want Mu to lose, it's easy. All you have to do is change the rules to take away his dust jutsus. Also make his speed equivalent to that of Konohamaru. Also make his strength equivalent to that of a normal human being. Also make him blind, deaf and dumb. Also make it so that he can't move from the spot he's on. Also make it so that Gaara and Minato can both use Chibaku Tensei on the same level as the Sage of Six Paths. Also make their speed equivalent to that of Barry Allen. Also give them Living Tribunal scale reality warping. Who cares if you can't admit that Mu outclasses them in every conceivable way. All that matters is that your favorite characters won the fight.

You've obviously got no problem with trying(albeit failing) to stack the fight in Gaara and Minato's favor, so why should a few more restrictions matter?

Fact of the matter is, the second Minato comes within range of Mu he's dead, Hiraishin or not Hiraishin. After that it's just a matter of killing Gaara, which is child's play because he never moves.

[THE X UCHIHA]

dunno if you're referring to me here but I'd take it easy and answer you respectfully.

Like I said, back to square one. Gaara and Minato can't do anything to him and (though I really really really really really doubt it) I give the benefit of the doubt to your claims that he can't do anything to them (mainly because you'll do nothing but wank for fifty pages and I don't want to have to deal with it. I'm having enough trouble dealing with the level of wank you're at now).

what's wrong with you getting pissed and talking to me like that, I wasn't wanking them at all I was just suggesting possible scenarios that could happen.

just remember the statement u said to Shika above

you seek to poison the proverbial well by attacking me instead of my arguments.

you're attacking me instead of my arguments.

So it's a stalemate.

If you want Mu to lose, it's easy. All you have to do is change the rules to take away his dust jutsus. Also make his speed equivalent to that of Konohamaru. Also make his strength equivalent to that of a normal human being. Also make him blind, deaf and dumb. Also make it so that he can't move from the spot he's on. Also make it so that Gaara and Minato can both use Chibaku Tensei on the same level as the Sage of Six Paths. Also make their speed equivalent to that of Barry Allen. Also give them Living Tribunal scale reality warping. Who cares if you can't admit that Mu outclasses them in every conceivable way. All that matters is that your favorite characters won the fight.

I don't give a damn who wins , I just gave u a clear scenario how they could kill Muu .. Muu has 70 - 80 % to survive (not to win ).

he can't hit Minato with his Jintons as the latter can scatter Kunais elsewhere as soon as the battle begins and since he already put some seals on the solid fast quantities of Gaara Sand that are going in a try of hitting the 2nd from all directions, Minato suddenly will reach Muu holding the rasengan in his hand and if Rasengan missed, he'd Tp himself to another place and then go back in a bit into where he put the seals on Gaara's solidified sands and Rasengan again while Gaara sands are still trying to hit him as there's no way he can have time to Jinton 'cuz once he tries he needs to be still in air and not moving and that means a rasengan to the face.

the operation continues till Gaara creates the Tsunami and kill Mu by the huge Sand Coffin.

You've obviously got no problem with trying(albeit failing) to stack the fight in Gaara and Minato's favor, so why should a few more restrictions matter?

the reason why I brought Minato into this fight is because he can TP himself in a bit literally in a bit , the Sands are coming up from everywhere in this desert rapidly to where Mu is.

Minato can move by either touching the sand punch after another or TPing himself into the Kunais he scattered under and above.

Fact of the matter is, the second Minato comes within range of Mu he's dead, Hiraishin or not Hiraishin. After that it's just a matter of killing Gaara, which is child's play because he never moves.

but less than a second is all what Minato needs to get close to Mu's head and get back if missed.

Jinton isn't really that supersonic .. Gaara manged to create a foothold for Naruto helping him to jump to the Mu higher location level and yet the Jinton was still not launched.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

you're attacking me instead of my arguments.

First of all, that wasn't directed at you. Secondly, no, I'm attacking you AND your arguments. There's a difference. Attacking a person rather than trying to refute their arguments is what happens when you can't refute their arguments. I can and have refuted your arguments effortlessly. You have yet to even attempt to counter my refutations with anything like actual proof, instead choosing to ignore it in favor of attempting to prove that Gaara and Minato have abilities like unto God himself, that they might strike down the unbeliever where he stands with their omnipotent abilities.

So whenever you wanna get around to doing that feel free.

How a proper debate is supposed to go.
Argument -> counter-argument->counter-counter-argument.

How this debate is going:

Wankery from Team Gaara and Minato-->logical argument from everyone's favorite flying fortress-->more wankery from Team Gaara and Minato.

So until you decide you want this to go the proper way, I win, you lose.

I just gave u a clear scenario how they could kill MuuAnd it was horse piss. Nothing but wankery.


the reason why I brought Minato into this fight is because he can TP himself in a bit literally in a bit , the Sands are coming up from everywhere in this desert rapidly to where Mu is.Like I said, you've obviously got no problem with trying(albeit failing) to stack the fight in Gaara and Minato's favor. If you really want Minato and Gaara to win that badly, why not make the restrictions greater?


Minato can move by either touching the sand punch after another or TPing himself into the Kunais he scattered under and above.And the second he moves within distance by touching the sand or tping himself or however you like, he dies. Mu's reaction speeds blatantly outclass him. The only way he can not get killed by Mu is to not get within range of his attacks.

but less than a second is all what Minato needs to get close to Mu's head and get back if missed.He can't exploit this alleged less than a second, on account of being dead.

Jinton isn't really that supersonicRingadingding. Gaara and Minato still die.

[[Shikamaru]]

Mu's reaction speed blantly kills who? LOL

The entire idea of tag teleporting is the depletion of the possibility of a reaction. Hence instant.

Here's why Mu fails.

1. He doesn't know Minato is a god and can buttrape the laws of physics
2. He doesn't know Gaara's sand is tagged by Minato's seals, so he gets blindsided
3. He doesn't know Minato teleports by using seals, so he will be touched, tagged, and killed
4. He doesn't know Minato's Kunai's are teleporting devices, he will dodge, unaware he basically should have blocked them, since Minato is now behind him with a Rasengan

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

So is everyone who matters agreed that Mu wins and Minato and Gaara have no chance of surviving this match?

[[Shikamaru]]

So is everyone who matters agreed that Mu wins and Minato and Gaara have no chance of surviving this match?
That would exclude you, since your opinion isn't really considered here anymore.

Meaning you present no facts, only a mislead belief that fanboys who have no feats generally have.

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Glad to hear it. Mu > Gaara and Minato from now unto eternity. ^_^

[[Shikamaru]]

Glad to hear it. Mu > Gaara and Minato from now unto eternity. ^_^
Without knowledge

Minato > Naruto Universe

What are you smoking?

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

I like your idea that Mu's greatness is to be hailed from the rooftops for he > Minato and Gaara. It shows moxy.