3rd Raikage Tier Debate

[Super Sanin 3]

The 3rd Raikage takes on the Legendary Tier gauntlet, how far will he reach?
Legend Tier
Sage of Six Paths
Juubi
Kabuto Yakushi with Edo Tensei
Madara Uchiha with Rinnegan
Hashirama Senju with Tailed Beasts
Kyuubi
Nagato
Danzo w/ Shisui's Eye
Shisui Uchiha
Sasuke Uchiha
Naruto Uzumaki
Itachi Uchiha
Pain
Minato Namikaze
Killer Bee
A
Orochimaru
Kisame Hoshigaki
Jiraiya
Danzo Shimura
Second Mizukage
Muu
Third Raikage
Onoki
Hiruzen Sarutobi
Gaara w/ Shukaku
Disregard current position

[Uchiha Sora]

Most of them can't do crap to him anyway.
I'd say he gets to Hashirama but idr what Muu and the Mizukage can do, and when it comes to Oro's hydra, and Kyuubi, idk.

[ILIKEPIE]

Right below Bee?

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Right below Bee?

The guy already stopped a rampaging 8-Tails and only received a scar.

Genjutsu seems to be the only efficient way of stopping him.

[GucciBandana]

the legend tier isn't correct itself, he's prob a little stronger than A and Kinkaku, not sure how he goes with Mu and 2nd Mizekage, Im sure he fought during the 3rd great Shinobi war, and that's most likely when he died, hopefully he encountered Hiruzen.

[heroeking]

shoudn't danzou be #2 since he could just command that person to commit suicide with shisui's eye

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

At the very least above Danzo.

[321zigzag3]

The guy already stopped a rampaging 8-Tails and only received a scar.

Genjutsu seems to be the only efficient way of stopping him.

Not just genjutsu, anything with incredible hax ninjutsu too.

Also Kisame is still a bad matchup for him under the circumstances.

[Wooster]

Still don't see 3rd Raikage topping Muu or the Second Mizukage. If he can't see them, what is he going to do? And nothing about his defense prevents having his molecules rearranged.

[Devils Lawyer]

He is just above A. That is far as I give him. The rest of the characters have jutsu that could defeat him. He beat a rampaging Hachibi not Bee. Which is a big difference. Naruto is still up in the air.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

The guy already stopped a rampaging 8-Tails and only received a scar.

Genjutsu seems to be the only efficient way of stopping him.
Largely hype, and it was never said he stopped the Hachibi, just held it off long enough for his army to escape. It's possible the 3rd lost and just escaped with his life, or it was a draw, or really a number of other scenarios. It wasn't specified, and nobody apparently knows.
At the very least above Danzo.
Agreed. Hax speed and chakra.

Danzo would need to start with his eyes unsealed to stand a chance with Shisui's eye.
Not just genjutsu, anything with incredible hax ninjutsu too.

Also Kisame is still a bad matchup for him under the circumstances.
Only thing that really comes to mind is some Rinnegan Jutsu. Or something huge like Underworld Swamp.

And Kisame with Samehada is bad for anybody with a large chakra pool. Problem for Kisame is that the 3rd seems even faster than A is.
Still don't see 3rd Raikage topping Muu or the Second Mizukage. If he can't see them, what is he going to do? And nothing about his defense prevents having his molecules rearranged.
Nobody can beat the 2nd Mizukage. `!:)

Only thing I can think of Muu doing to win is flying out of range as fast as possible, which probably won't be fast enough. It depends on the distance between them at the start, really.

[Noctis Arashi]

Raikage is a good tank against most everything.

He tanked a rasenshuriken from RS naruto with only his raiton shroud. And dodged two more easily.

I give him up to second mizukage if he's lucky.

[321zigzag3]

Only thing that really comes to mind is some Rinnegan Jutsu. Or something huge like Underworld Swamp.

And Kisame with Samehada is bad for anybody with a large chakra pool. Problem for Kisame is that the 3rd seems even faster than A is.

Dust Element.
MS.
Suiton Daikoudan


If he is able to remove the shroud then thats that, mr Sage of six paths. b@x)

[Wooster]

Largely hype, and it was never said he stopped the Hachibi, just held it off long enough for his army to escape. It's possible the 3rd lost and just escaped with his life, or it was a draw, or really a number of other scenarios. It wasn't specified, and nobody apparently knows.

Agreed. Hax speed and chakra.

Danzo would need to start with his eyes unsealed to stand a chance with Shisui's eye.

Only thing that really comes to mind is some Rinnegan Jutsu. Or something huge like Underworld Swamp.

And Kisame with Samehada is bad for anybody with a large chakra pool. Problem for Kisame is that the 3rd seems even faster than A is.

Nobody can beat the 2nd Mizukage. `!:)

Only thing I can think of Muu doing to win is flying out of range as fast as possible, which probably won't be fast enough. It depends on the distance between them at the start, really.
Muu can disappear, remember.

[ILIKEPIE]

I think Bee would a be better fighter than a rampaging 8-tail plus the eight tails fought him before giving Bee knowlege and we know he can hurt him that why I think he should be right below Bee but he could be lower not sure

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Dust Element.
MS.
Suiton Daikoudan


If he is able to remove the shroud then thats that, mr Sage of six paths. b@x)
MS won't do much good as far as I'm concerned. Raikage broke one of Susano'o's ribs with just an elbow, the 3rd has far more striking power than A as of right now. Ammy is easily dodged, and the only threat is Genjutsu.
Otherwise, those would work.

But is he fast enough to remove it before his head takes a vacation from his body, Mr. Zig Zag? :ugeek:
Muu can disappear, remember.
Right, forgot. So Muu stays above 3rd.

[GucciBandana]

the 3rd Raikage isn't faster than A, he hasn't shown any speed feats, only great reflexes, which is very good, but not better than A's.

[gama-sennin]

As far as I am concerned, 3rd Raikage is simply a victim of Kishi mindlessly going overboard with power levels. Last few chapters have shown that quite clearly.

3rd Raikage's "feats":

1. Fought 10,000 enemies for 3 days and nights

Hype.

2. Fought the Hachibi and escaped with a "scar"

Most likely, as sotsp as already said above, hype. Doesnt really convey much information considering the fact that the Hachibi hasnt really shown anything interesting, even Suigetsu managed to tank a close range menacing ball.

3. Tanked FRS

I dont know if anyone else has come up with this, but, may be, this cant really be counted as a "feat". From what we have seen FRS doesnt really cause any visible damage to the target. It destroys the Chakra cells and the 3rd, being an ETZ, most likely, had none.

4. Detroyed the "wall"

It has been said throughout the Manga that Earth element is weaker compared to lightning. Plus the said "wall" was created by fodders. So this one doesnt impress much.

I dont see him tanking a SoTU or a kamui or Ammy.

Feats of the ETZs shouldnt really be used to determine their positions in tier list, because the ETZ have, practically, unlimited Chakra and extreme durability in the sense that they can simply regenerate and thereby recover from any damage.

[Vivi]

As far as I am concerned, 3rd Raikage is simply a victim of Kishi mindlessly going overboard with power levels. Last few chapters have shown that quite clearly.

3rd Raikage's "feats":

1. Fought 10,000 enemies for 3 days and nights

Hype.

2. Fought the Hachibi and escaped with a "scar"

Most likely, as sotsp as already said above, hype. Doesnt really convey much information considering the fact that the Hachibi hasnt really shown anything interesting, even Suigetsu managed to tank a close range menacing ball.

3. Tanked FRS

I dont know if anyone else has come up with this, but, may be, this cant really be counted as a "feat". From what we have seen FRS doesnt really cause any visible damage to the target. It destroys the Chakra cells and the 3rd, being an ETZ, most likely, had none.

4. Detroyed the "wall"

It has been said throughout the Manga that Earth element is weaker compared to lightning. Plus the said "wall" was created by fodders. So this one doesnt impress much.

I dont see him tanking a SoTU or a kamui or Ammy.

Feats of the ETZs shouldnt really be used to determine their positions in tier list, because the ETZ have, practically, unlimited Chakra and extreme durability in the sense that they can simply regenerate and thereby recover from any damage.

Hype backed up by Evidence thus making it non-hype.

Suigetsu is intangible.Can't be compared to the Raikage.

Doesn't cause visible damage?
Human Path says hi.

Nononononono.What you need to realize is that the Raikage is only using his Fingers and that it's only Ninjutsu not Taijutsu.

[GucciBandana]

Edo Tensei don't have unlimited chakra, if that's the case, why doesn't someone use 80 000 clones and fight the ninja army one on one? they will win easily.
no wait, they won't, cuz after they beat all the ninjas, there will be Itachi and 80 000 of his Susanoo waiting for them...

3rd Raikage is overrated, he has great defense, one of the best one, but not sure if better than Gaara's sand or Susanoo, and his offense is just decent, a slower but long lasting version of Chidori, yes good penetrating power too, but how hard is it to dodge it for someone that's Kage level? black lightning, pretty impressive, but not even Darui's strongest attack.

[gama-sennin]

Hype backed up by Evidence thus making it non-hype.

What evidence? Point me to it. Flashback of some nobody talking about someone does not count as evidence.

Suigetsu is intangible.Can't be compared to the Raikage.
"Oro" was scared of a KN4 menacing ball. Guess Hachibi should have at least killed Suigetsu to justify the power level.

Doesn't cause visible damage?
Human Path says hi.
My bad...Got a bit carried away there.


Nononononono.What you need to realize is that the Raikage is only using his Fingers and that it's only Ninjutsu not Taijutsu.Huh..? Did I ever mention Taijutsu in my post? I dont understand your point. Please elaborate.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

What evidence? Point me to it. Flashback of some nobody talking about someone does not count as evidence.

It's already been said by 2 people though.

"Oro" was scared of a KN4 menacing ball. Guess Hachibi should have at least killed Suigetsu to justify the power level.Orochimaru never gets scared. He even smiled while the attack was incoming. Suigetsu didn't tank the 8-Tails' Beast Ball. Tanking should be reserved when the attack shows no visible damage and the victim continues fighting while barely affected. Suigetsu liquified to a point where only his head remained. His body composition is completely different too no less.

[gama-sennin]

Orochimaru never gets scared. He even smiled while the attack was incoming.


Didnt he say something like "If I get hit by this even I wont be able to survive"? Or was that Anime only?


Suigetsu didn't tank the 8-Tails' Beast Ball. Tanking should be reserved when the attack shows no visible damage and the victim continues fighting while barely affected. Suigetsu liquified to a point where only his head remained. His body composition is completely different too no less.

True. But the fact remains that he didnt liquify completely. The KN4 obliterated the 3 roshomon gates in an instant.

[Sephiroth]

Dont forget he uses the Black lighting Techs, probably better than Darui

[Flying Fortress Skyfire]

Orochimaru greatly underestimated the 4-Tailed Naruto's power.

Suigetsu only survived Bee's attack because he absorbed a massive abundance of water beforehand. It's not a default power level.

[NagatoGod_of_Pain]

Didnt he say something like "If I get hit by this even I wont be able to survive"? Or was that Anime only?

Guess that was anime only 'cause in the manga, Orochimaru simply thinks to himself "How he is going to move after ingesting all that chakra? (Proceeds to fire Beast Ball) Oh, that's how it is."

True. But the fact remains that he didnt liquify completely. The KN4 obliterated the 3 roshomon gates in an instant.

Well Suigetsu was about the size of the 8-Tails himself. Adding that his entire body was water, I guess it managed to hold back the 8-Tails Beast Ball.

[THE X UCHIHA]

As far as I am concerned, 3rd Raikage is simply a victim of Kishi mindlessly going overboard with power levels. Last few chapters have shown that quite clearly.

funny thing , u call someone a victim of Kishi going overboard with power levels when he did evaded a terribly fast Chakra mode Rasen-Shuriken and then evaded it again coming from the behind with ease and finally received it without any damage.

he is A's father so don't expect from Kishi to make him weaker ,the old Shinobi's were terribly strong.

1. Fought 10,000 enemies for 3 days and nights

Hype.

at least we saw the enemies

2. Fought the Hachibi and escaped with a "scar"

Most likely, as sotsp as already said above, hype. Doesnt really convey much information considering the fact that the Hachibi hasnt really shown anything interesting, even Suigetsu managed to tank a close range menacing ball.

lol the only thing Suigetsu managed to do against the MB is to get dried like a wet piece of clothes.

3. Tanked FRS

I dont know if anyone else has come up with this, but, may be, this cant really be counted as a "feat". From what we have seen FRS doesnt really cause any visible damage to the target. It destroys the Chakra cells and the 3rd, being an ETZ, most likely, had none.

so how do u explain the crater created by the FRS beaten 2 hearts of Kakuzu.

4. Detroyed the "wall"

It has been said throughout the Manga that Earth element is weaker compared to lightning. Plus the said "wall" was created by fodders. So this one doesnt impress much.

a douton wall consists of 5 gathered ninjas chakra + a lava rubber = unpredictable and impenetrable barrier.

I dont see him tanking a SoTU or a kamui or Ammy.

he managed to focus the Raiton chakra on his fingers and that what made him crash and tank the wall.

Feats of the ETZs shouldnt really be used to determine their positions in tier list, because the ETZ have, practically, unlimited Chakra and extreme durability in the sense that they can simply regenerate and thereby recover from any damage.

they're old men while ET'd , they must be physically more powerful back then when young in Real world.

plus, there's no proof support this claim.

[MinatoXNaruto]

he's obviously up there with hashirama. Naruto only has half of the ninetails power. 4 tails naruto = 2 tailed bijuu. He basically dominated orochimaru as the fight went on. 3rd raikage went head to head with the 8 tails full powered bijuu and only received a scar. He took a FRS point blank and got up as if it was nothing. This guy is a legend. He's at the very top.

[gama-sennin]

funny thing , u call someone a victim of Kishi going overboard with power levels when he did evaded a terribly fast Chakra mode Rasen-Shuriken and then evaded it again coming from the behind with ease and finally received it without any damage.


With that statement I was merely pointing out the fact that Kishi has, spectacularly, screwed up the power levels. Having followed this series for better part of last 5/6 years this pisses me off to no end. There was a time when there were definite power levels and power scaling used to make sense as well. Just think about it, if there were guys who could stand against 10,000 enemies then why the f did they go through all the trouble of creating the Jinchuriki thingy?


he is A's father so don't expect from Kishi to make him weaker ,the old Shinobi's were terribly strong.
Where was he when Hanzo was giving out titles for free? Or when Minato won the war for Konoha? The sannin look like toddlers compared to these guys and they were supposed to be the "strongest" ninjas out there.

at least we saw the enemies
Sure we did.

so how do u explain the crater created by the FRS beaten 2 hearts of Kakuzu.
Well, there are way too many inconsistencies in the Manga, for example, Kakuzu was still talking even after getting hit by FRS and he was, at that time, lying in the said crater. We have already seen quite a few things like that.



they're old men while ET'd , they must be physically more powerful back then when young in Real world.

plus, there's no proof support this claim.Dont think its required here. I have not seen any ETZ run out of Chakra. One look at Itachi tells you that much. That guy was practically blind and bleeding through his eyes when he died but came back healthy (or as good as healthy). He used Amaterasu followed by Susanoo and still manged to pull of a TnJ on the greatest TnJ master (aka Naruto).

I know this post has become more of a rant but there is no denying the fact that for every new entrant we will be forced to rearrange the tier list just becuase Naruto/Sasuke are too haxxed for their own good.

[Super Sanin 3]

it's kind of inferring that the raikage tanked a TBB when he was alive and it only put a scar on him so that alone is epic weather or not we use the FRS argument

[THE X UCHIHA]

With that statement I was merely pointing out the fact that Kishi has, spectacularly, screwed up the power levels. Having followed this series for better part of last 5/6 years this pisses me off to no end. There was a time when there were definite power levels and power scaling used to make sense as well. Just think about it, if there were guys who could stand against 10,000 enemies then why the f did they go through all the trouble of creating the Jinchuriki thingy?

Good question , the Bijuus are weapons but they were not created for that purpose and they are not the strongest ,to be specific the Bijuus weren't created because the old shinobis wanted them to kill many ppl they were parts of the Juubi chakra that had been separated by Rikudo, .. they are the only way to save world from getting destroyed by a 10-tailed beast that is obviously the most powerful enemy that the Ninja world could ever face so to control those tailed beasts and to prevent the mass deception that could happen to villages they had to seal Bijuus inside humans to control them and also to benefit them as weapons in the 3rd shinobi war in order to take advantage on other villages.

it's obvious that one Bijuu can destroy a shinobi village that has at least over 100,000 ppl and there are some kind of ppl like pain who was able to do the same thing with ease.

Where was he when Hanzo was giving out titles for free? Or when Minato won the war for Konoha? The sannin look like toddlers compared to these guys and they were supposed to be the "strongest" ninjas out there.

the 3rd raikage died when B was like about 10 years old.

Sure we did.
Well, there are way too many inconsistencies in the Manga, for example, Kakuzu was still talking even after getting hit by FRS and he was, at that time, lying in the said crater. We have already seen quite a few things like that.

not convinced , when something can damage the ground so badly why it wouldn't be able to crash a body ?

Dont think its required here. I have not seen any ETZ run out of Chakra. One look at Itachi tells you that much. That guy was practically blind and bleeding through his eyes when he died but came back healthy (or as good as healthy). He used Amaterasu followed by Susanoo and still manged to pull of a TnJ on the greatest TnJ master (aka Naruto).

we've never seen A running out of chakra.

I know this post has become more of a rant but there is no denying the fact that for every new entrant we will be forced to rearrange the tier list just becuase Naruto/Sasuke are too haxxed for their own good.

yeah but that man was a hell bringer , he did evaded the FRS twice and received it without getting damaged and also he can kill many shinobi's with a swipe !!!

[GucciBandana]

the 3rd Raikage didn't die when Killer Bee was 10, Killer Bee was most likely near his 20 when Raikage died, it was after the 3rd great Shinobi war, after Killer Bee met Minato, and since then, Killer Bee is not allowed to go out side of the village anymore