Konan and Mei vs Tsunade and Chiyo

[Jose]

BG Defaults.

Restrictions: No summoning for Tsunade.


Who wins?

EDIT: DAMN IT HOW COULD I SPELL Tsunade wrong. :/ I feel like such a noob

[THE X UCHIHA]

BG Defaults.

Restrictions: No summoning for Tsunade.


Who wins?

EDIT: DAMN IT HOW COULD I SPELL Tsunade wrong. :/ I feel like such a noob

Tsunade with Katsu are weak and now u restricted it
Konan and Mei rape.

[Jose]

Tsunade with Katsu are weak and now u restricted it
Konan and Mei rape.

Did you forget Chiyo?

And because Mei has a partner she cannot use her boil release because it would also harm Konan she can only use it in a closed space like how she did with Sasuke.

So all that leaves Mei with is her Lava and Konan her Paper.

[Lone_Espada]

Konan can fly into the air. P:

Which should allow Mei to use her boil release.

[Super Sanin 3]

And puppets should also be easily flammable

[Jose]

Konan can fly into the air. P:

Which should allow Mei to use her boil release.

O yeah I forgot about that.

Whats the range on it?

Without a doubt Tsunade loses to her boil release because she is a close range fighter. And Chiyo can stay back summon her 10 puppets but I think Mei could melt them away.

I knew I should have added Temari and Chiyo. Tsunade is useless unless its close combat. lol

[THE X UCHIHA]

Did you forget Chiyo?

what can a puppet user do in a lava lake except being melted.

And because Mei has a partner she cannot use her boil release because it would also harm Konan she can only use it in a closed space like how she did with Sasuke.

that partner can fly and who told u that Chiyo is a log range ninja ??!! she's mid to close range ninja.

However, Mei can kill Tsunade who's useless and Konan while she's flying in the air can launch many paper tags toward Chiyo.

and still Konan and Mei rape.

[Super Sanin 3]

that partner can fly and who told u that Chiyo is a log range ninja ??!! she's mid to close range ninja.
I thought puppeteers were long range? I've heard it more than once before

[SauceK]

Chiyo solos, due to being a long range fighter and the fact that Konan and Mei both fail in every way possible.

[heroeking]

Konan solos with paper god jutsu.

[THE X UCHIHA]

O yeah I forgot about that.

Whats the range on it?

Without a doubt Tsunade loses to her boil release because she is a close range fighter. And Chiyo can stay back summon her 10 puppets but I think Mei could melt them away.

I knew I should have added Temari and Chiyo. Tsunade is useless unless its close combat. lol

ok, good you understand now.

I thought puppeteers were long range? I've heard it more than once before

no they're not , their techniques have few weaknesses: according to Shino Aburame's observations during his fight against Kankurō, the Puppet Technique is a long range style, meaning that the puppeteers are weak against close range fighters. Since most puppeteer use his or her hands to manipulate the puppets, if their hands are disabled, then the technique can be neutralized. And because the puppet's movements are based on the mechanisms that were installed inside, interfering with said mechanisms can greatly stall the puppet entirely.


Chiyo solos, due to being a long range fighter and the fact that Konan and Mei both fail in every way possible.

1st thing first Chiyo is not a longe range fighter.

secondly , while Konan is flying in the air she can launch many paper tags toward Chiyo and there's no way ever Chiyo can react not to mention that Mei can create lava lake and melt them both.

now tell me how would they fail ?

[SauceK]

Konan solos with paper god jutsu.

If you mean that jutsu that she used on Madara, then no it won't because she needs prep which she doesn't have.

[THE X UCHIHA]

If you mean that jutsu that she used on Madara, then no it won't because she needs prep which she doesn't have.

I know u r not referring to me here but that's right that technique needs prep.
but if u read my post u would know that Konan can launch many of exploding tags toward Chiyo and not to mention she can turn herself into papers and also she can make a lot of paper clones and use paper shuriken technique to cut Chiyo's strings off.

and still Mei alone can kill both Chiyo and Tsunade by simply creating a lava lake.

[Sagepain]

I know u r not referring to me here but that's right that technique needs prep.
but if u read my post u would know that Konan can launch many of exploding tags toward Chiyo and not to mention she can turn herself into papers and also she can make a lot of paper clones and use paper shuriken technique to cut Chiyo's strings off.

and still Mei alone can kill both Chiyo and Tsunade by simply creating a lava lake.

Can't Tsunade punch the ground to create fissure so that the lava sinks into it instead of continuing to move towards her?

I'm pretty sure Tsunade can move away from Mei's Lava style: Melting apparition technique and then create a fissure to stall the Lava.

In end though Tsunade still can't overcome Mei's Boil release so she loses.

Konan easily defeats Chiyo with her paper spam, and with her Shikigami dance active I doubt Chiyo can do anything to hurt Konan.

[[Shikamaru]]

Can't Tsunade punch the ground to create fissure so that the lava sinks into it instead of continuing to move towards her?

I'm pretty sure Tsunade can move away from Mei's Lava style: Melting apparition technique and then create a fissure to stall the Lava.

In end though Tsunade still can't overcome Mei's Boil release so she loses.

Konan easily defeats Chiyo with her paper spam, and with her Shikigami dance active I doubt Chiyo can do anything to hurt Konan.
Easily defeats Chiyo?

She handled over 80 Sasori puppets with twelve. Her reactions were on par with Sasori and she reacted to Iron Sand release, which is super sonic.

The fact you think Mei can get past these puppets is quite interesting.

However, in the end there is no simple way to destroy Konan, unless one of them get their hands on them and sleep strike with their medical style Ninjutsu.

Which won't happen. Stalemate until either Konan runs out of chakra, or somehow manages to kill them before that.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Chiyo's puppets can get taken out by boil release if they get close. Konan can paper bomb spam from above. Don't see Tsunade hurting either one of them

[Lady Tsunade]

Not so sure how Konan and Mei would win.

Sure, Mei has an Acidic Mist, but it is harmful to her team-mate. Yes, it is possible to fly into the air to get away from the Mist, given it's density. However, if Konan is going to use her body as a projectile like she usually does, then her form is going to have come in contact with the Mist at some point. She will be targeting Tsunade and Chiyo, both of whom are at ground level and within the Mists range. With team mates by her side, Acid Mist is not effective to the Mizukage and it would not be IC for her to use it.

Asides having an Acidic Mist, the Mizukage is predominantly featless. She has Lava Globs but even Karin manages to avoid those. Basicly, she is of almost no use here. Konan is the only threat and even then I doubt her power without her 600 billion explosive paper sheets to rely on. She can fire many paper projectiles, but they are no faster than regular kunai, as such evasive experts like Tsunade and Chiyo should be able to jump out of harms way. Assuming Konan tries to surround them in paper, Tsunade can always shunshin to a safer distance, while Chiyos 10 Chikamatsu puppets and their Vacuum Treasures Suction should be able to suck her into the vortext and slice her paper body up. Mind you, that's the only way they can harm Konan, via that technique of Chiyos. And if that fails it would more or less be a dodging game. Without Katsuyu the war veterans are low on options to inflict damage. If Tsunade uses her great strength to amplify the speed of Chiyos chakra sealing projectile, I suppose Konan could be caught off guard if she doesn't react quickly enough by turning into her Shikigami form. If not, I imagine the match would be a tie, either that or Chiyo and Tsunade wear Konan down until she has no chakra left.

Close match, at any rate.

[Anbu Leader]

Konan's abilities are too unique to be countered by old timers like Chiyo and/or Tsunade. Tsunade ain't as strong as she used to be, not after the Konoha Attack. Like Jason said, Chiyo's puppets will do no good against Mei's boil release.

[Super Sanin 3]

Not so sure how Konan and Mei would win.

Sure, Mei has an Acidic Mist, but it is harmful to her team-mate. Yes, it is possible to fly into the air to get away from the Mist, given it's density. However, if Konan is going to use her body as a projectile like she usually does, then her form is going to have come in contact with the Mist at some point. She will be targeting Tsunade and Chiyo, both of whom are at ground level and within the Mists range. With team mates by her side, Acid Mist is not effective to the Mizukage and it would not be IC for her to use it.

Asides having an Acidic Mist, the Mizukage is predominantly featless. She has Lava Globs but even Karin manages to avoid those. Basicly, she is of almost no use here. Konan is the only threat and even then I doubt her power without her 600 billion explosive paper sheets to rely on. She can fire many paper projectiles, but they are no faster than regular kunai, as such evasive experts like Tsunade and Chiyo should be able to jump out of harms way. Assuming Konan tries to surround them in paper, Tsunade can always shunshin to a safer distance, while Chiyos 10 Chikamatsu puppets and their Vacuum Treasures Suction should be able to suck her into the vortext and slice her paper body up. Mind you, that's the only way they can harm Konan, via that technique of Chiyos. And if that fails it would more or less be a dodging game. Without Katsuyu the war veterans are low on options to inflict damage. If Tsunade uses her great strength to amplify the speed of Chiyos chakra sealing projectile, I suppose Konan could be caught off guard if she doesn't react quickly enough by turning into her Shikigami form. If not, I imagine the match would be a tie, either that or Chiyo and Tsunade wear Konan down until she has no chakra left.

Close match, at any rate.
Would it really not be IC for her to use the mist(she can just tell Konan to move like she did the other time)? Or does that only work in closed areas? Either way i agree that the suction jutsu would probably harm Konan

[White Zetsu]

Paper-person of God and there goes chiyo and all mei has to do is use lava or boil and there goes tsunade

[Super Sanin 3]

Paper-person of God and there goes chiyo
This takes prep

[Kuromaki]

Mei's acid only really works well in a closed area, and I never saw any good speed from her lava. Chiyo's Vacuum should be enough to take care of both of them.
Konan's abilities are too unique to be countered by old timers like Chiyo and/or Tsunade. Tsunade ain't as strong as she used to be, not after the Konoha Attack.
How so? She looks like she fully recovered.

Technically her lifespan went down but still.

[THE X UCHIHA]

;5451246']Easily defeats Chiyo?

She handled over 80 Sasori puppets with twelve. Her reactions were on par with Sasori and she reacted to Iron Sand release, which is super sonic.

actually it was Sakura who reacted to the Iron Sand while attached to Chiyo's strings and the Iron Sand is not SuperSonic.SuperSonic supposed to be faster than the sound speed itself which doesn't apply to the Iron Sand.However,Chiyo reaction speed feats are normal and not considerable.

now tell me what can puppets do to molten magma ? nothin.
Susake was obligated to use Susano in order to protect himself from it.

;5451246']The fact you think Mei can get past these puppets is quite interesting.

However, in the end there is no simple way to destroy Konan, unless one of them get their hands on them and sleep strike with their medical style Ninjutsu.

there's no way Konan can get destroyed by either Chiyo or Tsunade
she'd be flying in the air and already created paper clones.

;5451246']Which won't happen. Stalemate until either Konan runs out of chakra, or somehow manages to kill them before that.

Konan uses her techniques easily without getting a bit tired while flyin' ... it won't take her more than 10 minutes until the technique is ready.

Not so sure how Konan and Mei would win.
Sure, Mei has an Acidic Mist, but it is harmful to her team-mate. Yes, it is possible to fly into the air to get away from the Mist, given it's density.

a mist above all Chiyo's puppets wouldn't make a problem.Mei was able to spit it above and no team mate was ever damaged.

However, if Konan is going to use her body as a projectile like she usually does, then her form is going to have come in contact with the Mist at some point. She will be targeting Tsunade and Chiyo, both of whom are at ground level and within the Mists range. With team mates by her side, Acid Mist is not effective to the Mizukage and it would not be IC for her to use it.

why would Konan use her original body as projectile, she makes paper clones and the paper clones will attack ,not her.

Asides having an Acidic Mist, the Mizukage is predominantly featless.She has Lava Globs but even Karin manages to avoid those. Basicly, she is of almost no use here.

Sasuke used Susano ribs see panel 1 chapter 466 page 3 and I think that threw her away but still not Sure.

at close range there's a chance Mei gonna kill Tsunade since the latter neither has reaction feats nor speed feats unless u gave me clear evidence and same thing applies to Chiyo , Mei can use Acidic Mist more than one time and can also create a barrier of lava within seconds in order to block the puppets way and protect herself and there's no way a puppet can survive that.

Konan is the only threat and even then I doubt her power without her 600 billion explosive paper sheets to rely on.

while she's flying in the air and using paper clones , Chiyo and Tsunade can't attack and even if they managed to attack her in a way then it would be a great chance for Mei to lava them.

after 10 minutes the technique is ON , Tsuande & Chiyo gonna die just in case they were still alive and haven't been molten yet.

She can fire many paper projectiles, but they are no faster than regular kunai, as such evasive experts like Tsunade and Chiyo should be able to jump out of harms way.

Tsuande is horrible at evasion , give me one considerable reaction feat or even speedfeat for Tsunade " in a battle " and Chiyo is not faster by the way.

Assuming Konan tries to surround them in paper, Tsunade can always shunshin to a safer distance
while Chiyos 10 Chikamatsu puppets and their Vacuum Treasures Suction should be able to suck her into the vortext and slice her paper body up. Mind you, that's the only way they can harm Konan, via that technique of Chiyos. And if that fails it would more or less be a dodging game. Without Katsuyu the war veterans are low on options to inflict damage. If Tsunade uses her great strength to amplify the speed of Chiyos chakra sealing projectile, I suppose Konan could be caught off guard if she doesn't react quickly enough by turning into her Shikigami form. If not, I imagine the match would be a tie, either that or Chiyo and Tsunade wear Konan down until she has no chakra left.

Konan is not an easy and constant target she can turn herself to paper in a bit and evade any attack coming.

also all Tsunade's strength can't go higher than her head which makes her totally useless against Konan.

This takes prep

not when no one hits her for 10 minutes.

Mei's acid only really works well in a closed area, and I never saw any good speed from her lava. Chiyo's Vacuum should be enough to take care of both of them.

How so? She looks like she fully recovered.

Technically her lifespan went down but still.

I agree Mei's acid works with close ranges only but u should note that Tsunade is a close range fighter and same thing applies to Chiyo puppets and sure ,Mei's acidic mist is kinda slow but it took only one page from the chapter though.

Vacuum is no use against lava style,This technique is a performance by puppets #4, #6, and #8 from the Chikamatsu Collection. The three puppets get into a triangular formation and by opening the mechanisms marked with "Buddha," "Dharma," and "Sangha," respectively, they invoke this technique. However, the vacuum can be overloaded, leaving the three puppets vulnerable. Actually the lava can melt those puppets easily not to mention that we haven't seen the Vacuum sucking Chakra , we've seen it sucking objects only.

besides ,this technique takes prep.

[Shooting Star]

Konan is intangible, meaning neither Tsunade's physical attacks or Chiyo's puppets will work on her. Only water (and other liquid substances) or fire attacks can affect Konan, and neither Tsunade nor Chiyo have shown to possess a technique that can seriously harm Konan.

The problem with puppeteers is that their defenses are vunerable when attacking their opponents straight forward, leaving them wide open for an attack.

I, sincerely, don't see how Tsunade and Chiyo can take this.

[Edward Newgate]

Konan is intangible, meaning neither Tsunade's physical attacks or Chiyo's puppets will work on her. Only water (and other liquid substances) or fire attacks can affect Konan, and neither Tsunade nor Chiyo have shown to possess a technique that can seriously harm Konan.

The problem with puppeteers is that their defenses are vunerable when attacking their opponents straight forward, leaving them wide open for an attack.

I, sincerely, don't see how Tsunade and Chiyo can take this.
Water doesn't work on Konan. We've seen her get wet and still use her paper without problems. Only liquids like oil will stop her.

Anyway, Tsunade can take on Mei as she has much better speed feats (which Mei lacks), the only thing that Mei can do which can stop Tsunade is her lava, the rest can be healed by Sozo Saisei.

However, even if Mei is defeated, neither Tsunade or Chiyo have nothing to do against Konan.

[THE X UCHIHA]

Konan is intangible, meaning neither Tsunade's physical attacks or Chiyo's puppets will work on her. Only water (and other liquid substances) or fire attacks can affect Konan, and neither Tsunade nor Chiyo have shown to possess a technique that can seriously harm Konan.

Sure is and only Jiraya's oil can stop her , but some ppl here said that she might reach her limits while she's flying in the air !!! and also said that Chiyo gonna Vacuum Konan while that technique requires 3 puppets to be standing in such a manner enables them to create a vacuum that sucks objects on the ground and not flyin' highly in the air as Konan does.

The problem with puppeteers is that their defenses are vunerable when attacking their opponents straight forward, leaving them wide open for an attack.

correct, and still no need for that in this matchup

once Chiyo's hands are cut off by paper Shuriken Technique or paper exploding tags , puppets are no use.

I, sincerely, don't see how Tsunade and Chiyo can take this.

Me either.

even Mei would help, Mei's acidic mist is kinda slow but it's not that slow as they think , I mean it took one page only from the chapter.

Tsunade can take on Mei as she has much better speed feats (which Mei lacks), the only thing that Mei can do which can stop Tsunade is her lava, the rest can be healed by Sozo Saisei.

However, even if Mei is defeated, neither Tsunade or Chiyo have nothing to do against Konan.

Tsunade speedfeats are garbage in a battle unless someone gives me a chapter and page number.

[Edward Newgate]

When Naruto appeared during Pain's invasion, she did a long way with a single Shunshin to where Pain was. She was almost out of chakra back then. And now, during the confrontation between Naruto and Ei she also had a good speed feat. Anyway, her speed feats are better than Mei, who doesn't even have them.

[Super Sanin 3]

Might be easier to not restrict summoning, the acid would probably harm Konan if they have nothing else to use

[RINNEMAN1]

Tsunade can easily be dodged, so it's Chiyo vs. Konan and Mei.

Either of them can solo. Konan with suffocation, and Mei with Lava globs.

[Kuromaki]

I agree Mei's acid works with close ranges only but u should note that Tsunade is a close range fighter and same thing applies to Chiyo puppets and sure ,Mei's acidic mist is kinda slow but it took only one page from the chapter though.

Vacuum is no use against lava style,This technique is a performance by puppets #4, #6, and #8 from the Chikamatsu Collection. The three puppets get into a triangular formation and by opening the mechanisms marked with "Buddha," "Dharma," and "Sangha," respectively, they invoke this technique. However, the vacuum can be overloaded, leaving the three puppets vulnerable. Actually the lava can melt those puppets easily not to mention that we haven't seen the Vacuum sucking Chakra , we've seen it sucking objects only.

besides ,this technique takes prep.
Not close range. Closed area.

The vacuum hardly takes prep, the three puppets activated it while Sasori's army was charging at them. The lava is an object and paper is an object, as far as I'm concerned, Konan and Mei get crushed at the end. This is, however, the only counter that the Golden Girls have against Konan, and if any of those puppets used in the vacuum get destroyed, I'm not sure what they could do.

[Jose]

Chiyo still has her Lion-Headed Kannon so she can launch her Sealing Tech: Lion Closing Roar so she can block either Mei or Konan chakra.

Also if Konan is gonna spam a bunch of projectles she could just use the mother and father puppets to protect herself.

[Anbu Leader]

Mei's acid only really works well in a closed area, and I never saw any good speed from her lava. Chiyo's Vacuum should be enough to take care of both of them.

How so? She looks like she fully recovered.

Technically her lifespan went down but still.

I'm pretty sure that..(Don't open if you don't read the Manga)
When Konan fought Madara for the eyes of Nagato, it was shown that she was more powerful than we thought because she used incredible jutsus/techniques. One of them is (I forgot the name) when she divides the lake, revealing an abyss of paper making Madara helplessly falls into it, she then detonates the six hundred billion explosive tags that she had placed there that would last over a period of ten minutes, longer than the five-minute period that Madara can remain intangible for. I admit, a attack like that must had taken allot of prep time. But she was still able to reach and hurt Madara like no one has even done before in the series (after Hashirama).
But my point here is that she's strong, unique and smart.

Now Mei in the other hand, we're talking about the Mizukage that haves five different elements, which are; Lava Release, Boil Release, Earth Release, Fire Release, Water Release. Who also haves two KG's. I think in my eyes, she's a younger version of Tsunade. Her lava and boil releases are not that slow. They are pretty fast for their conditions. So if Chiyo tried anything with her puppets they will eventually end up getting ashed by her lava. With her five elements she can counter any different attack launched by Tsunade and/or Chiyo. I bet money on that.

[RINNEMAN1]

Chiyo still has her Lion-Headed Kannon so she can launch her Sealing Tech: Lion Closing Roar so she can block either Mei or Konan chakra.

Also if Konan is gonna spam a bunch of projectles she could just use the mother and father puppets to protect herself.

Not at the beginning.

[Kuromaki]

Chiyo still has her Lion-Headed Kannon so she can launch her Sealing Tech: Lion Closing Roar so she can block either Mei or Konan chakra.

Good point.
I'm pretty sure that..(Don't open if you don't read the Manga)
When Konan fought Madara for the eyes of Nagato, it was shown that she was more powerful than we thought because she used incredible jutsus/techniques. One of them is (I forgot the name) when she divides the lake, revealing an abyss of paper making Madara helplessly falls into it, she then detonates the six hundred billion explosive tags that she had placed there that would last over a period of ten minutes, longer than the five-minute period that Madara can remain intangible for. I admit, a attack like that must had taken allot of prep time. But she was still able to reach and hurt Madara like no one has even done before in the series (after Hashirama).
But my point here is that she's strong, unique and smart.
All nullified by the fact that it took her an indefinite amount of time to do any of this.
Now Mei in the other hand, we're talking about the Mizukage that haves five different elements, which are; Lava Release, Boil Release, Earth Release, Fire Release, Water Release. Who also haves two KG's.She's only shown like 2 or 3 jutsu with all these elements though.
I think in my eyes, she's a younger version of Tsunade.How?
Her lava and boil releases are not that slow. They are pretty fast for their conditions.How?
With her five elements she can counter any different attack launched by Tsunade and/or Chiyo.How?
So if Chiyo tried anything with her puppets they will eventually end up getting ashed by her lava.Depends. She could make them dodge, block with chakra shields, or have the lava sucked in by the ten puppets vacuum. She could also seal Mei's chakra with Lion Closing Roar.

If she started out with Mother & Father she's at a disadvantage, but she would probably be able to identify them as a Kage and an Akatsuki and therefore threats, if not Tsunade can.

[Anbu Leader]

Good point.

All nullified by the fact that it took her an indefinite amount of time to do any of this.
My point was simple; she is strong, unique and smart. I said it before, her techniques/powers are too unique for old timers like Tsunade and/or Chiyo to know how to counter quickly enough.

She's only shown like 2 or 3 jutsu with all these elements though.
Doesn't matter. The whole point is that she's able to use FIVE ELEMENTS. Including two KG's. So in my opinion she'll be able to effectively counter any thing thrown at her by Tsunade or Chiyo.

How?
Don't mind this, it was just my observing opinion. I just thought due to her women power inner strength reminded me Tsunade.

How?
In real life occasions, lava seems to go down hill pretty slow. But when Mei releases it, it was shown to be pretty fast for lava. This was shown in the Five Kage Summit.

How?
I explained this. She has five different elements that can all be used as offensive or defensive manures. So if Tsunade tries to smash her face with her physical strength then all Mei has to do is splash her with lava. That's all Tsunade its known for doing in a battle, so Mei has the upper hand in ninjutsu.

Depends. She could make them dodge, block with chakra shields, or have the lava sucked in by the ten puppets vacuum. She could also seal Mei's chakra with Lion Closing Roar.

If she started out with Mother & Father she's at a disadvantage, but she would probably be able to identify them as a Kage and an Akatsuki and therefore threats, if not Tsunade can.
Can chakra shield deflect or block lava? We don't know yet, do we? I don't think it can. But her puppets always seem try to make physical contact with their targets in order to do some damage to them, so they'll have to get in close enough. Enough for a lava attack. And you're right about the identifying part.


In red.

[TheBlackChidori]

Tsunade has to get close to damage Mei, and acid mist would keep Tsunade from ever getting close. Same for the puppets. If it can melt Susanoo's bones, it can melt the puppets.

And if Tsunade doesn't get Katsuyu, no one is doing a thing to Konan. Can punch and stab her paper all you want.

The enclosed space rule on Mei is dumb. It's along the same lines as Zabuza's mist, I'm sure it can still cover an area fairly easily. Yeah it's not gonna be as effective as in an enclosed space, but without some kind of wind, what are you going to do about it?

[Anbu Leader]

Tsunade has to get close to damage Mei, and acid mist would keep Tsunade from ever getting close. Same for the puppets. If it can melt Susanoo's bones, it can melt the puppets.

And if Tsunade doesn't get Katsuyu, no one is doing a thing to Konan. Can punch and stab her paper all you want.

The enclosed space rule on Mei is dumb. It's along the same lines as Zabuza's mist, I'm sure it can still cover an area fairly easily. Yeah it's not gonna be as effective as in an enclosed space, but without some kind of wind, what are you going to do about it?

Good point. I was trying to say something similar to that.

Exactly, like I said before, Tsunade is known for physical attacks when in battle so she'll intend to attack Mei with her Taijutsu. And if she gets close enough for a Taijutsu attack, Mei will just spray her with her Lava Release. And yeah, but the question is, can it melt a puppets Chakra Shield? That's what Kuromaki stated. In my opinion, the Lava Release will melt through that.

Also, Tsunade has never been shown to use any element but its presumed that she's a lighting style user. So if she can't produce fire in some type of way, she cannot effect Konan.

[Edward Newgate]

Tsunade can dodge Mei's lava technique, though. Mei, on the other hand, can't really dodge her attacks as she lacks the speed feats. If Mei reacts to Tsunade attacking her and uses the acid, whether Tsunade is hurt or not, she will probably attack her once again with Sozo Saisei activated.

Either way though, Tsunade and Chiyo lose against Konan.

[THE X UCHIHA]

Not close range. Closed area.

The vacuum hardly takes prep, the three puppets activated it while Sasori's army was charging at them. The lava is an object and paper is an object, as far as I'm concerned, Konan and Mei get crushed at the end. This is, however, the only counter that the Golden Girls have against Konan, and if any of those puppets used in the vacuum get destroyed, I'm not sure what they could do.

ahh , now I understand what u mean by that.

but closed area doesn't mean Mei can't use the mist in a wider area However lets just say it's a close range just like Tsunade and Chiyo's puppets are.

I doubt Vacuum can suck something flying in the sky. the reason why Vacuum is useless against Konan is 'cuz we've never seen it sucks an object flying in the air at 80-90m height approx., we only saw it sucks puppets in the front of it from only 10 to 20m approx.

in chapter 273/7 the puppets seemed too close to the 3 puppets.

Back to Mei acidic mist and the Vacuum, if the Vacuum absorbed the lava this is gonna speedup the process and minimize the prep time required for this jutsu which is not that long since it took only one page from the chapter and besides, we've also never seen the Vacuum absorbs elemental attacks like lava style , it only did sucked a bunch of puppets.

Chiyo still has her Lion-Headed Kannon so she can launch her Sealing Tech: Lion Closing Roar so she can block either Mei or Konan chakra.

Also if Konan is gonna spam a bunch of projectles she could just use the mother and father puppets to protect herself.

man this technique requires a drawn formula on a wall.
not to mention that the lion headed Kannon can't catch or bite someone that can turn his/her body to paper in a bit.

also Mei can protect herself with a lava barrier which makes the technique no use against her too.

Tsunade can dodge Mei's lava technique, though.

give me a " considerable " speed feat or reaction speed feat for Tsunade in a "battle" . Or else Tsunade is still Garbage.

Mei, on the other hand, can't really dodge her attacks as she lacks the speed feats. If Mei reacts to Tsunade attacking her and uses the acid

Mei with her lack of speed feats can't dodge Tsunade attacks but she can lava her as soon as she's close.


whether Tsunade is hurt or not, she will probably attack her once again with Sozo Saisei activated.

in chapter 169 , she was wounded by Oro at page 11 and after 3 pages exactly at the third panel of page 14 she finally activated the technique which means it takes prep.

Besides and from what this technique had shown , it did healed a wound and against Mei ,Tsunade gets molten by the lava so I doubt her body would be at the solid state afterwards.

[Edward Newgate]

give me a " considerable " speed feat or reaction speed feat for Tsunade in a "battle" . Or else Tsunade is still Garbage.
Chapter 430, page 15; chakra-less Tsunade appears in front of Pain, before her two Anbu. Then in the bottom panel Ashurado charges in, Tsunade looks surprised but... the next page, while it looks like Naruto took away her spot light, there's on detail missed by most reader. Look behind Naruto, Tsunade is standing in a different position than before with her fist raised in front of Ashurado. She reacted to Ashurado charging at her and was about to destroy him with her arm.


Besides and from what this technique had shown , it did healed a wound and against Mei ,Tsunade gets molten by the lava so I doubt her body would be at the solid state afterwards.

Why would she let the lava get on her body? Tsunade is smart enough not to. Sozo Saisei won't be very useful when her body is covered with lava. Also the lava isn't very fast.

[Super Sanin 3]

Chapter 430, page 15; chakra-less Tsunade appears in front of Pain, before her two Anbu. Then in the bottom panel Ashurado charges in, Tsunade looks surprised but... the next page, while it looks like Naruto took away her spot light, there's on detail missed by most reader. Look behind Naruto, Tsunade is standing in a different position than before with her fist raised in front of Ashurado. She reacted to Ashurado charging at her and was about to destroy him with her arm.
I see your point but i wouldn't call that a great reaction feat, i mean blocking would probably have injured her just as much

[Edward Newgate]

I see your point but i wouldn't call that a great reaction feat, i mean blocking would probably have injured her just as much
I doubt that. You think Tsunade would've done that if she knew that she would get injured? Ashurado probably would've been broken apart the moment the fist makes contact with his body. That's what Tsunade was trying to do.

[Super Sanin 3]

I doubt that. You think Tsunade would've done that if she knew that she would get injured? Ashurado probably would've been broken apart the moment the fist makes contact with his body. That's what Tsunade was trying to do.
But look again, they were in a guarding position and not a guarding position, and her head was even turned sideways, like she was expecting it to be the end, it was just a natural reaction

[Lady Tsunade]

Would it really not be IC for her to use the mist(she can just tell Konan to move like she did the other time)? Or does that only work in closed areas? Either way i agree that the suction jutsu would probably harm Konan

Mei separates herself and Sasuke from Onoki and the others in order to use her Mist, it would not be IC for her to risk harm to her team mates by using the mist in an area where her team mates are subject to damage.

actually it was Sakura who reacted to the Iron Sand while attached to Chiyo's strings and the Iron Sand is not SuperSonic.SuperSonic supposed to be faster than the sound speed itself which doesn't apply to the Iron Sand.However,Chiyo reaction speed feats are normal and not considerable.

Chiyos reaction feats are excellent and highly praisable. Before I even link you to any chapters bare in mind the old woman is a puppeteer, who must naturally have high reaction time to manuever her puppets around in battle. She is able to react to most of Sasoris attacks by pulling her puppets out of harms way.

now tell me what can puppets do to molten magma ? nothin.
Susake was obligated to use Susano in order to protect himself from it

Sasuke was low on chakra and extremely weakened from fighting A the Raikage. Is it any wonder he couldn't dodge Mei Terumi's attack? The magma is too slow to hit Chiyo or her puppets.


there's no way Konan can get destroyed by either Chiyo or Tsunade
she'd be flying in the air and already created paper clones.

Chiyos Three Treasure Suction Crush, or Sanbo Kyukai, should suck up whatever projectiles Konan fires and crush them as the techniques name suggests. She has only ever been able to use one paper clone at a time, and she doesn't seem to use the paper clone a great deal in regards to her fighting style.

a mist above all Chiyo's puppets wouldn't make a problem.Mei was able to spit it above and no team mate was ever damaged.


I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Mei has never spat any sort of mist above her, and why she would do so, whenever you're suggesting Konan would be flying up in the air prior is beyond me.

why would Konan use her original body as projectile, she makes paper clones and the paper clones will attack ,not her.


Konan never employs this tactic into her fighting style, it is not something for her to do repeatedly ICly. Anyway, she has only ever made one clone at a time if I recall correctly, and one clone made out of a bit of paper is limited in how many attacks it can perform surely. This wouldn't be enough to grant Konan any significant damage to her foes.

Sasuke used Susano ribs see panel 1 chapter 466 page 3 and I think that threw her away but still not Sure.

Sasuke does not care for Karin, and that panel fails to show him using Susano'o to bring her to safety. It shows Karin moving away from Mei's attack before it manages to hit her.

at close range there's a chance Mei gonna kill Tsunade since the latter neither has reaction feats nor speed feats unless u gave me clear evidence and same thing applies to Chiyo , Mei can use Acidic Mist more than one time and can also create a barrier of lava within seconds in order to block the puppets way and protect herself and there's no way a puppet can survive that.

Tsunade has no reaction feats? http://i27.tinypic.com/2z8z3w2.gif Firstly, may I remind you it was Chiyo who stated one gets good reaction timing from battle experience. [Chapter 265 page 8-9] Tsunade has around 30 years of battle experience, whether it be through the war she has participated in, or though all 1,256 missions she has completed, 95 of which were S Rank, as well as around 3 years serving as Hokage. As for Tsunades actual reaction and evasive feats, she has reacted to basic manoevers used by Naruto Uzumaki [Chapter 158 page 13-14], or faster and more powerful attacks from Orochimaru and boss summon Manda, even despite horrendous injury in some instances. [Chapter 168 page 19] [Chapter 169 page 11-12] [Chapter 170 page 15] In Part II Tsunade also manages to activate her Sozou Saisei between when Chou Shinra Tensei is launched and when it hits Konoha. [Chapter 429 page 11] [Chapter 430 page 9]. Her reaction speed is excellent, and certainly tiers above a featless Mei Terumi.

As for Chiyo, the woman is as I said before, a puppeteer. She requires high reaction time. She can avoid Itachis Giant fireball [260 page 5], react to Sasoris World Order [Chapter 270 page 14] and the dozens and dozens of attacks coming from Sasoris Performance of 100 puppets [Chapter 273 page 4-11]. She can even react to every single one of the needles fired at her by Sasori. [Chapter 265 page 14]

while she's flying in the air and using paper clones , Chiyo and Tsunade can't attack and even if they managed to attack her in a way then it would be a great chance for Mei to lava them.

Chiyos puppets have considerable range with their Sanbu Kyukai. [Chapter 273 page 8]

after 10 minutes the technique is ON , Tsuande & Chiyo gonna die just in case they were still alive and haven't been molten yet.


That's not how the Paper god technique works. It takes effect immediately, it just explodes for ten minutes straight. But Konan doesn't have preparation for it, so it doesn't matter here.

Tsuande is horrible at evasion , give me one considerable reaction feat or even speedfeat for Tsunade " in a battle " and Chiyo is not faster by the way.

Tsunade taught Sakura evasion. Tsunade is a medic, who are forced into be good at evasion. Tsunade has good evasion and reaction feats, how on earth is she horrible at it? Chiyo is considerably faster.

Konan is not an easy and constant target she can turn herself to paper in a bit and evade any attack coming.

That much is true. Certainly targeting her would be no easy matter but it is possible and do-able.

also all Tsunade's strength can't go higher than her head which makes her totally useless against Konan.

Her strength was never a factor anyway. But I agree she can't inflict damage to Konan. But likewise, Konan can't inflict much damage to her.


not when no one hits her for 10 minutes.

Konan is not gathering 600 billion sheets of paper in 10 minutes http://i27.tinypic.com/2z8z3w2.gif

I agree Mei's acid works with close ranges only but u should note that Tsunade is a close range fighter and same thing applies to Chiyo puppets and sure ,Mei's acidic mist is kinda slow but it took only one page from the chapter though.


Everything Mei has is slow. There is nothing in her arsenal in this scenario which could harm Tsunade or Chiyo.

Vacuum is no use against lava style,This technique is a performance by puppets #4, #6, and #8 from the Chikamatsu Collection. The three puppets get into a triangular formation and by opening the mechanisms marked with "Buddha," "Dharma," and "Sangha," respectively, they invoke this technique. However, the vacuum can be overloaded, leaving the three puppets vulnerable. Actually the lava can melt those puppets easily not to mention that we haven't seen the Vacuum sucking Chakra , we've seen it sucking objects only.

Nice Naruto wiki copy/paste. Chiyo isn't stupid enough to try and suck lava towards her puppets anyway.

besides ,this technique takes prep.

It takes a single handseal. Tsunade could perform this by moving about, not any more preparation than Mei's acid, which also takes a handseal.

[Kuromaki]

In red.
I fail to see how Mei's slow attacks can hit them. If this was in a building, things would be different, unless of course Tsunade destroyed the building http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif And, acid mist could hurt Konan too since it spreads, depending on how much Mei raises the acidity. I don't think Tsunade would let herself get hit by lava so easily too, considering that her lava hasn't shown impressive speed, and Tsunade's supposed to be good at evasion. Same thing with the puppets, considering Chiyo's great reaction speed.
ahh , now I understand what u mean by that.

but closed area doesn't mean Mei can't use the mist in a wider area However lets just say it's a close range just like Tsunade and Chiyo's puppets are.

I doubt Vacuum can suck something flying in the sky. the reason why Vacuum is useless against Konan is 'cuz we've never seen it sucks an object flying in the air at 80-90m height approx., we only saw it sucks puppets in the front of it from only 10 to 20m approx.

in chapter 273/7 the puppets seemed too close to the 3 puppets.

Back to Mei acidic mist and the Vacuum, if the Vacuum absorbed the lava this is gonna speedup the process and minimize the prep time required for this jutsu which is not that long since it took only one page from the chapter and besides, we've also never seen the Vacuum absorbs elemental attacks like lava style , it only did sucked a bunch of puppets.

It can if it points in that direction, it's a vacuum it's supposed to pull her in.

It is what it is, a vacuum, and it crushes what's in it on the other end, far as I'm concerned it can do the same to lava.