This Byakugan Thing has to Stop

[Troll Master]

I find it rather annoying of people coming up with ideas of new Byakugan upgrades. I must end this.

The Byakugan is plenty strong as it is and probably more stronger and versatile than Sharingan at base.

The Byakugan has:


360 degree vision: Neji was able to see all of Kidomaru's arrows and spiders at once deflect them all but it does have a weak point in it
Motion tracking: Neji was able to see where Naruto was when he was moving at untraceable speeds when he he fought him in the Chunin Exams
Can see far distances: So good for tracking and scouting
Can see chakra flow even better than the Sharingan
Can see the chakra network: Which in turn allows them strike and close of the chakra points and even release chakra out of their chakra points
X-Ray Vison so it can see through objects, people, and even Genjustu: Kakashi asked Hinata to see through Tobi's Genjutsu(although he didn't knew of Madara's abilities)
Can find accurate weak spots: Neji was able to find the weak spot in the Water Prison Jutsu and dispel it not even Kakashi with his Sharingan could do that
Gentle Fist is very lethal: Hiashi killed a man in a second with it and Neji gave Hinata cardiac-arrest with it. Sending lethal chakra into someone's internal organs and structure to do massive internal damage and one can't defend from the Gentle Fist since one can't heighten their internal defensive's best is not to get hit.
Advanced Eight Trigrams technique: Rotation is one of the many ultimate defense not THE strongest ultimate defense but still pretty amazing, Air Palms adds range to an Hyuga's fighting style giving them mid-range combat tactics, and 64 Palms is a series of extremely fast strikes that can shut off an victim chakra network
Chakra Sealing: By striking enough chakra points an Hyuga can prevent someone from using any chakra so they pretty much win this fight
Sensor skills as seen by Ao

While the Sharingan at base has:



Hypnosis/Genjutsu: The Byakugan can probably see through most of the Genjutsu the Sharingan can dish out
Can see chakra flow but not as good as the Byakugan though
Can read someone's movements and predict their next move but this is meaningless if the person can't keep up like in the Sasuke and Rock Lee fight
Can memorize NOT COPY memorize techniques but if the criteria isn't met the user can't copy or use that memorized technique like Sasuke couldn't copy Rock Lee's Primary bc he couldn't open the first gate so he took the first part of the technique and created Lion's Barrage but Naruto who don't have a Sharingan can make his own version of that
Izanagi: but can only be used if they have Senju DNA and they will automatically lose an eye permanently

Okay which seems more powerful and useful.

Now comes the Mangekyo Sharingan:



Amateratsu: Black Flames that take forever to burn something although it says its as hot as the sun but at times when it does burns an object it burns it to smithereens no remains not even regular flames does that. It is as hot as the sun it just burns really slow and its unextinguishable by any means.
Tsukiyomi: Genjutsu that causes extreme trauma to the point someone could pass out from the mental pain but only works if someone stares into the eyes and as seen by Team 7 VS Itachi that is possible for them. Only Itachi can control the perception of time in his Yomi.
Susano'o: Can sprouts rib cages to protect the user and arms to crush, grab, and other arm functions. An incomplete skeletal form don't do much but serves as a guardian and in its complete skin form it gets a weapon based on the user(Sasuke got an bow and arrow and Itachi got an shield NOTE: The Totsuka Sword is a altogether separate weapon Itachi equipped to his Susano'o) but has weak spot in its spine and if attacked opens and exposes the user(an Byakugan might be able to find this weak spot) and in its Final Completed Armor Form it gets extra armor that heightens its defense more but it still might have an weak spot. This jutsu causes extreme hard to the user as the Susano'o feeds off of user's life force.

The MS techs causes extreme eye damage and can cause an user to go blind thus prevents them from being spammed or used that much in fights well except for the Susano'o.

The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is just an upgrade of the MS which just allows the user to use the MS techs without drawbacks(except for the Susano'o that causes body damage not eye damage).

People here are complaining bc the Rinnegan is more stronger WELL DUH its the strongest Dojutsu in the entire series....Do you wanna know why?

Because only like 2-3 people in NARUTO history has it. Its extremely rare to find to the point that almost everyone believes its a myth. Byakugans can be found almost everywhere.

The Byakugan is the weaker of the 2 bc its easier to unlock. Hyugas are automatically born with it while the Sharingan had to be unlocked through extreme mental stress and the Rinnegan too. The MS had to be unlock in some way not sure if Itachi's way was the only way but its hard to unlock that despite the fact that many Uchihas tried to get it only like 6 in history have unlocked it.

Sharingan<Byakugan<Mangekyo Sharingan<Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan<Rinnegan

An Hyuga's Byakugan is as strong as the Hyuga himself.

The Byakugan at the moment isn't that important to the story but I'll get to that some other time.

[Hyuuga Heir]

Honestly I wish my old Hyuga/Byakugan theory wasn't revived. It was old and I made it when I was new here... and it's a major pet peeve of mine when old threads are brought back again.

[K3nsh!n]

I find it rather annoying of people coming up with ideas of new Byakugan upgrades. I must end this.

The Byakugan is plenty strong as it is and probably more stronger and versatile than Sharingan at base.

The Byakugan has:


360 degree vision: Neji was able to see all of Kidomaru's arrows and spiders at once deflect them all but it does have a weak point in it
Motion tracking: Neji was able to see where Naruto was when he was moving at untraceable speeds when he he fought him in the Chunin Exams
Can see far distances: So good for tracking and scouting
Can see chakra flow even better than the Sharingan
Can see the chakra network: Which in turn allows them strike and close of the chakra points and even release chakra out of their chakra points
X-Ray Vison so it can see through objects, people, and even Genjustu: Kakashi asked Hinata to see through Tobi's Genjutsu(although he didn't knew of Madara's abilities)
Can find accurate weak spots: Neji was able to find the weak spot in the Water Prison Jutsu and dispel it not even Kakashi with his Sharingan could do that
Gentle Fist is very lethal: Hiashi killed a man in a second with it and Neji gave Hinata cardiac-arrest with it. Sending lethal chakra into someone's internal organs and structure to do massive internal damage and one can't defend from the Gentle Fist since one can't heighten their internal defensive's best is not to get hit.
Advanced Eight Trigrams technique: Rotation is one of the many ultimate defense not THE strongest ultimate defense but still pretty amazing, Air Palms adds range to an Hyuga's fighting style giving them mid-range combat tactics, and 64 Palms is a series of extremely fast strikes that can shut off an victim chakra network
Chakra Sealing: By striking enough chakra points an Hyuga can prevent someone from using any chakra so they pretty much win this fight

Sensor skills as seen by Ao

While the Sharingan at base has:



Hypnosis/Genjutsu: The Byakugan can probably see through most of the Genjutsu the Sharingan can dish out
Can see chakra flow but not as good as the Byakugan though
Can read someone's movements and predict their next move but this is meaningless if the person can't keep up like in the Sasuke and Rock Lee fight
Can memorize NOT COPY memorize techniques but if the criteria isn't met the user can't copy or use that memorized technique like Sasuke couldn't copy Rock Lee's Primary bc he couldn't open the first gate so he took the first part of the technique and created Lion's Barrage but Naruto who don't have a Sharingan can make his own version of that
Izanagi: but can only be used if they have Senju DNA and they will automatically lose an eye permanently

Okay which seems more powerful and useful.

Now comes the Mangekyo Sharingan:



Amateratsu: Black Flames that take forever to burn something although it says its as hot as the sun but at times when it does burns an object it burns it to smithereens no remains not even regular flames does that. It is as hot as the sun it just burns really slow and its unextinguishable by any means.
Tsukiyomi: Genjutsu that causes extreme trauma to the point someone could pass out from the mental pain but only works if someone stares into the eyes and as seen by Team 7 VS Itachi that is possible for them. Only Itachi can control the perception of time in his Yomi.
Susano'o: Can sprouts rib cages to protect the user and arms to crush, grab, and other arm functions. An incomplete skeletal form don't do much but serves as a guardian and in its complete skin form it gets a weapon based on the user(Sasuke got an bow and arrow and Itachi got an shield NOTE: The Totsuka Sword is a altogether separate weapon Itachi equipped to his Susano'o) but has weak spot in its spine and if attacked opens and exposes the user(an Byakugan might be able to find this weak spot) and in its Final Completed Armor Form it gets extra armor that heightens its defense more but it still might have an weak spot. This jutsu causes extreme hard to the user as the Susano'o feeds off of user's life force.

The MS techs causes extreme eye damage and can cause an user to go blind thus prevents them from being spammed or used that much in fights well except for the Susano'o.

The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is just an upgrade of the MS which just allows the user to use the MS techs without drawbacks(except for the Susano'o that causes body damage not eye damage).

People here are complaining bc the Rinnegan is more stronger WELL DUH its the strongest Dojutsu in the entire series....Do you wanna know why?

Because only like 2-3 people in NARUTO history has it. Its extremely rare to find to the point that almost everyone believes its a myth. Byakugans can be found almost everywhere.

The Byakugan is the weaker of the 2 bc its easier to unlock. Hyugas are automatically born with it while the Sharingan had to be unlocked through extreme mental stress and the Rinnegan too. The MS had to be unlock in some way not sure if Itachi's way was the only way but its hard to unlock that despite the fact that many Uchihas tried to get it only like 6 in history have unlocked it.

Sharingan<Byakugan<Mangekyo Sharingan<Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan<Rinnegan

An Hyuga's Byakugan is as strong as the Hyuga himself.

The Byakugan at the moment isn't that important to the story but I'll get to that some other time.

The ones in green
They are NOT Byakugan abilities...
They are the techniques developed by the Hyuga clan to better utilize the Byakugan abilities

But I do agree that this Byakugan upgrade thingy is going way too far...
Unlike the MS the Byakugan is already "eternal" and the user can keep improving it abilities...

[TheBlackChidori]

We all know the repercussions of the MS, and the base Byakugan's power is definitely impressive. Well was impressive. There was a time that I agreed that it was better then base Sharingan. But it's the fact that no elite Shinobi have actually managed to make it seem that powerful, apart from a few Hiashi feats.

The Sharigan just completely took off on the Byakugan. Reality warping, Izanagis, transporting things to other dimensions, eternal flames, unstoppable defenses, intense mind torture, control over free will... The Byakugan has nothing compared to that. Sure as a sensory ability, it can't be topped. But in combat, what the hell is the Byakugan really going to do?

That's why people are calling for upgrades. We wanna see what the Byakugan can actually do, not just what the people wielding it can do with Taijutsu. We've seen the Rinnegan create soul-sucking jutsu, things like Shinra Tensei, alternate paths, immense power... The Byakugan has nothing at all. Just good vision.

[Troll Master]

We all know the repercussions of the MS, and the base Byakugan's power is definitely impressive. Well was impressive. There was a time that I agreed that it was better then base Sharingan. But it's the fact that no elite Shinobi have actually managed to make it seem that powerful, apart from a few Hiashi feats.

The Sharigan just completely took off on the Byakugan. Reality warping, Izanagis, transporting things to other dimensions, eternal flames, unstoppable defenses, intense mind torture, control over free will... The Byakugan has nothing compared to that. Sure as a sensory ability, it can't be topped. But in combat, what the hell is the Byakugan really going to do?

That's why people are calling for upgrades. We wanna see what the Byakugan can actually do, not just what the people wielding it can do with Taijutsu. We've seen the Rinnegan create soul-sucking jutsu, things like Shinra Tensei, alternate paths, immense power... The Byakugan has nothing at all. Just good vision.

The Rinnegan is a rare dojutsu that noone can just achieve. It isn't a bloodline and nor is it like the Byakugan. The Rinnegan was first wielded by an god or the strongest shinobi and probably the second strongest shinobi in all of NARUTO and is a rare occurrence. The Byakugan and Sharingan can be found everywhere in the leaf village only like 2 people in a range of 3-5 hundred years have had the Rinnegan.

Neji made the Byakugan impressive he was once feared as the strongest Genin in the Leaf Village. The only people who made the Sharingan elitly known were the ones who had the MS Sharingan.

Lets see:

Kakashi: He was already pretty damn powerful and famous before getting the Sharingan. He made Jonin at the same age Naruto and his peers entered the Chunin Exams. He was already an expert at looking at a jutsu and copying the idea of it. He created the Chidori just from seeing Minato use the Rasengan and even learned the Rasengan before that

Sasuke: Was driven to become excellent and even with Orochimaru's training Sasuke became an elitist

Itachi: Uchiha's are natural genius it has nothing to do with the Sharingan.

Shusui: Same for Itachi

Madara: Was the founder so he is bound to be powerful

Izuna: Not much is known of him

The rest of the Uchiha: They were easily killed off by Itachi and Madara in a single night

[Jakropha]

I have a theory
What if, Neji/Hinata get radioactive slime dumped on their faces as an accident, and become BLIND! And get supersenses from it, first off, they cant use their eyes, which handicaps them. AND they get superpowers from something that ISNT an eye!!! Sounds much better than eyettoo spamming hmm?
Basically
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQc1ca-wB4GoXG3FoatYJQheMiRH0kkurvu5HGfdlYUG7aSiEQg6g

Over

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[Troll Master]

We all know the repercussions of the MS, and the base Byakugan's power is definitely impressive. Well was impressive. There was a time that I agreed that it was better then base Sharingan. But it's the fact that no elite Shinobi have actually managed to make it seem that powerful, apart from a few Hiashi feats.

The Sharigan just completely took off on the Byakugan. Reality warping, Izanagis, transporting things to other dimensions, eternal flames, unstoppable defenses, intense mind torture, control over free will... The Byakugan has nothing compared to that. Sure as a sensory ability, it can't be topped. But in combat, what the hell is the Byakugan really going to do?

That's why people are calling for upgrades. We wanna see what the Byakugan can actually do, not just what the people wielding it can do with Taijutsu. We've seen the Rinnegan create soul-sucking jutsu, things like Shinra Tensei, alternate paths, immense power... The Byakugan has nothing at all. Just good vision.

Now lets see the Sharingan techs:

Izanagi: Can only be used if the user has Senju DNA too and so what the user automatically lose an eye. Meaning the user can only use the jutsu twice in their lifetime unless if they have spare eyes.

Koto Amatsukami: Can only be used every 10 years unless if the user have Senju DNA but there is still an activation recharge limit and could be broken if the user knows he is caught in it.

Amateratsu and Tsukiyomi causes permanent eye damage and is usually used like 2 times in a fight.

Susano'o feeds off of the users life just to maintain form and the pain gets worse with every stage the Susano'o is in. It has a weak spot and the bones can get broken or snapped.

Kamui: It creates an barrier and anything caught in the barrier will collapse in it and send to another dimension. The best way to counter it is get out of the barrier space plus its a Kakashi exclusive and it puts him in the hospital for a week after using it like 3 times and once killed him for using it twice after like using 5 jutsus.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

who knows what kishi will do next

[Revived Kakuzu]

I do agree that the Byakugan deserves an upgrade, but tbh, I think Kishi has forgot about the Byakugan, and just tossed it aside.

[Rasengan SageX5]

The reason all of us fans of the Byakugan are so annoyed and calling for an upgrade is because the Sharingan and Byakugan once seemed pretty even in strength, but then the Sharingan just kept getting more and more overpowered. There has to be more to the Byakugan because if its not that strong compared to the Sharingan, how did Hyuuga become such a strong and feared clan?

[EvL j3st3r]

Byakugan<<<<<<<<<< Sharingan overall at this point in the story. I have to agree with TBC. And I also, am one who would like to see Byakugan revitalized as competitive power to the other two dojutsu.

[ByakuganAlex]

I find it rather annoying of people coming up with ideas of new Byakugan upgrades. I must end this.

The Byakugan is plenty strong as it is and probably more stronger and versatile than Sharingan at base.

The Byakugan has:


360 degree vision: Neji was able to see all of Kidomaru's arrows and spiders at once deflect them all but it does have a weak point in it
Motion tracking: Neji was able to see where Naruto was when he was moving at untraceable speeds when he he fought him in the Chunin Exams
Can see far distances: So good for tracking and scouting
Can see chakra flow even better than the Sharingan
Can see the chakra network: Which in turn allows them strike and close of the chakra points and even release chakra out of their chakra points
X-Ray Vison so it can see through objects, people, and even Genjustu: Kakashi asked Hinata to see through Tobi's Genjutsu(although he didn't knew of Madara's abilities)
Can find accurate weak spots: Neji was able to find the weak spot in the Water Prison Jutsu and dispel it not even Kakashi with his Sharingan could do that
Gentle Fist is very lethal: Hiashi killed a man in a second with it and Neji gave Hinata cardiac-arrest with it. Sending lethal chakra into someone's internal organs and structure to do massive internal damage and one can't defend from the Gentle Fist since one can't heighten their internal defensive's best is not to get hit.
Advanced Eight Trigrams technique: Rotation is one of the many ultimate defense not THE strongest ultimate defense but still pretty amazing, Air Palms adds range to an Hyuga's fighting style giving them mid-range combat tactics, and 64 Palms is a series of extremely fast strikes that can shut off an victim chakra network
Chakra Sealing: By striking enough chakra points an Hyuga can prevent someone from using any chakra so they pretty much win this fight
Sensor skills as seen by Ao

While the Sharingan at base has:



Hypnosis/Genjutsu: The Byakugan can probably see through most of the Genjutsu the Sharingan can dish out
Can see chakra flow but not as good as the Byakugan though
Can read someone's movements and predict their next move but this is meaningless if the person can't keep up like in the Sasuke and Rock Lee fight
Can memorize NOT COPY memorize techniques but if the criteria isn't met the user can't copy or use that memorized technique like Sasuke couldn't copy Rock Lee's Primary bc he couldn't open the first gate so he took the first part of the technique and created Lion's Barrage but Naruto who don't have a Sharingan can make his own version of that
Izanagi: but can only be used if they have Senju DNA and they will automatically lose an eye permanently

Okay which seems more powerful and useful.

Now comes the Mangekyo Sharingan:



Amateratsu: Black Flames that take forever to burn something although it says its as hot as the sun but at times when it does burns an object it burns it to smithereens no remains not even regular flames does that. It is as hot as the sun it just burns really slow and its unextinguishable by any means.
Tsukiyomi: Genjutsu that causes extreme trauma to the point someone could pass out from the mental pain but only works if someone stares into the eyes and as seen by Team 7 VS Itachi that is possible for them. Only Itachi can control the perception of time in his Yomi.
Susano'o: Can sprouts rib cages to protect the user and arms to crush, grab, and other arm functions. An incomplete skeletal form don't do much but serves as a guardian and in its complete skin form it gets a weapon based on the user(Sasuke got an bow and arrow and Itachi got an shield NOTE: The Totsuka Sword is a altogether separate weapon Itachi equipped to his Susano'o) but has weak spot in its spine and if attacked opens and exposes the user(an Byakugan might be able to find this weak spot) and in its Final Completed Armor Form it gets extra armor that heightens its defense more but it still might have an weak spot. This jutsu causes extreme hard to the user as the Susano'o feeds off of user's life force.

The MS techs causes extreme eye damage and can cause an user to go blind thus prevents them from being spammed or used that much in fights well except for the Susano'o.

The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is just an upgrade of the MS which just allows the user to use the MS techs without drawbacks(except for the Susano'o that causes body damage not eye damage).

People here are complaining bc the Rinnegan is more stronger WELL DUH its the strongest Dojutsu in the entire series....Do you wanna know why?

Because only like 2-3 people in NARUTO history has it. Its extremely rare to find to the point that almost everyone believes its a myth. Byakugans can be found almost everywhere.

The Byakugan is the weaker of the 2 bc its easier to unlock. Hyugas are automatically born with it while the Sharingan had to be unlocked through extreme mental stress and the Rinnegan too. The MS had to be unlock in some way not sure if Itachi's way was the only way but its hard to unlock that despite the fact that many Uchihas tried to get it only like 6 in history have unlocked it.

Sharingan<Byakugan<Mangekyo Sharingan<Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan<Rinnegan

An Hyuga's Byakugan is as strong as the Hyuga himself.

The Byakugan at the moment isn't that important to the story but I'll get to that some other time.

4 and 5 are the same thing. 6 is an add on to 4 . 7-10 is the same thing being repeated by with different definition, its all juken.
4 and 6 lead to the last by default so no they don't have much abilities.

[ByakuganAlex]

The 2 major things that gave the hyuga so much love was their sensing abilities,juken and now they just dished out the sensing ability to everyone. In addition Juken has majorly excluded in the past 200+ mangas (i don't call little bits or the Hinata scene as major).

[Troll Master]

4 and 5 are the same thing. 6 is an add on to 4 . 7-10 is the same thing being repeated by with different definition, its all juken.
4 and 6 lead to the last by default so no they don't have much abilities.

4 and 5: Chakra Flow and Chakra Network are 2 different things. Chakra Flow is just chakra in general. Like when Hoheto saw chakra in Muta's gourd(Deidara's bomb) or when Neji saw the chakra building up in the Deidara clone as it blew up and the chakra network is only found in humans and maybe other mammals.

7-10: They are all possible because of Juuken plus they may be Juuken but they still are different and Juuken have many functions such as sealing chakra points preventing chakra from being mold or used, sending chakra into someones internal organs damaging them from the inside, and the techniques which usually are releasing chakra from their chakra points thus causing jutsus like Rotation, Air Palms, and One Blow Body.

[ByakuganAlex]

I find it rather annoying of people coming up with ideas of new Byakugan upgrades. I must end this.

The Byakugan is plenty strong as it is and probably more stronger and versatile than Sharingan at base.

The Byakugan has:


360 degree vision: Neji was able to see all of Kidomaru's arrows and spiders at once deflect them all but it does have a weak point in it
Motion tracking: Neji was able to see where Naruto was when he was moving at untraceable speeds when he he fought him in the Chunin Exams
Can see far distances: So good for tracking and scouting
Can see chakra flow even better than the Sharingan
Can see the chakra network: Which in turn allows them strike and close of the chakra points and even release chakra out of their chakra points
X-Ray Vison so it can see through objects, people, and even Genjustu: Kakashi asked Hinata to see through Tobi's Genjutsu(although he didn't knew of Madara's abilities)
Can find accurate weak spots: Neji was able to find the weak spot in the Water Prison Jutsu and dispel it not even Kakashi with his Sharingan could do that
Gentle Fist is very lethal: Hiashi killed a man in a second with it and Neji gave Hinata cardiac-arrest with it. Sending lethal chakra into someone's internal organs and structure to do massive internal damage and one can't defend from the Gentle Fist since one can't heighten their internal defensive's best is not to get hit.
Advanced Eight Trigrams technique: Rotation is one of the many ultimate defense not THE strongest ultimate defense but still pretty amazing, Air Palms adds range to an Hyuga's fighting style giving them mid-range combat tactics, and 64 Palms is a series of extremely fast strikes that can shut off an victim chakra network
Chakra Sealing: By striking enough chakra points an Hyuga can prevent someone from using any chakra so they pretty much win this fight
Sensor skills as seen by Ao

While the Sharingan at base has:



Hypnosis/Genjutsu: The Byakugan can probably see through most of the Genjutsu the Sharingan can dish out
Can see chakra flow but not as good as the Byakugan though
Can read someone's movements and predict their next move but this is meaningless if the person can't keep up like in the Sasuke and Rock Lee fight
Can memorize NOT COPY memorize techniques but if the criteria isn't met the user can't copy or use that memorized technique like Sasuke couldn't copy Rock Lee's Primary bc he couldn't open the first gate so he took the first part of the technique and created Lion's Barrage but Naruto who don't have a Sharingan can make his own version of that
Izanagi: but can only be used if they have Senju DNA and they will automatically lose an eye permanently

Okay which seems more powerful and useful.

Now comes the Mangekyo Sharingan:



Amateratsu: Black Flames that take forever to burn something although it says its as hot as the sun but at times when it does burns an object it burns it to smithereens no remains not even regular flames does that. It is as hot as the sun it just burns really slow and its unextinguishable by any means.
Tsukiyomi: Genjutsu that causes extreme trauma to the point someone could pass out from the mental pain but only works if someone stares into the eyes and as seen by Team 7 VS Itachi that is possible for them. Only Itachi can control the perception of time in his Yomi.
Susano'o: Can sprouts rib cages to protect the user and arms to crush, grab, and other arm functions. An incomplete skeletal form don't do much but serves as a guardian and in its complete skin form it gets a weapon based on the user(Sasuke got an bow and arrow and Itachi got an shield NOTE: The Totsuka Sword is a altogether separate weapon Itachi equipped to his Susano'o) but has weak spot in its spine and if attacked opens and exposes the user(an Byakugan might be able to find this weak spot) and in its Final Completed Armor Form it gets extra armor that heightens its defense more but it still might have an weak spot. This jutsu causes extreme hard to the user as the Susano'o feeds off of user's life force.

The MS techs causes extreme eye damage and can cause an user to go blind thus prevents them from being spammed or used that much in fights well except for the Susano'o.

The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is just an upgrade of the MS which just allows the user to use the MS techs without drawbacks(except for the Susano'o that causes body damage not eye damage).

People here are complaining bc the Rinnegan is more stronger WELL DUH its the strongest Dojutsu in the entire series....Do you wanna know why?

Because only like 2-3 people in NARUTO history has it. Its extremely rare to find to the point that almost everyone believes its a myth. Byakugans can be found almost everywhere.

The Byakugan is the weaker of the 2 bc its easier to unlock. Hyugas are automatically born with it while the Sharingan had to be unlocked through extreme mental stress and the Rinnegan too. The MS had to be unlock in some way not sure if Itachi's way was the only way but its hard to unlock that despite the fact that many Uchihas tried to get it only like 6 in history have unlocked it.

Sharingan<Byakugan<Mangekyo Sharingan<Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan<Rinnegan

An Hyuga's Byakugan is as strong as the Hyuga himself.

The Byakugan at the moment isn't that important to the story but I'll get to that some other time.

4 and 5: Chakra Flow and Chakra Network are 2 different things. Chakra Flow is just chakra in general. Like when Hoheto saw chakra in Muta's gourd(Deidara's bomb) or when Neji saw the chakra building up in the Deidara clone as it blew up and the chakra network is only found in humans and maybe other mammals.

7-10: They are all possible because of Juuken plus they may be Juuken but they still are different and Juuken have many functions such as sealing chakra points preventing chakra from being mold or used, sending chakra into someones internal organs damaging them from the inside, and the techniques which usually are releasing chakra from their chakra points thus causing jutsus like Rotation, Air Palms, and One Blow Body.
for 4 and5 I mean by seeing the chakra network you can see chakra flow. for 7 you do agree its all juken. I know there is multiple moves but its all. The thing is I don't want an upgrade I want refinement. with addition attack moves to make the byakugan something that the lightning village would truely go after.

[Troll Master]

for 4 and5 I mean by seeing the chakra network you can see chakra flow. for 7 you do agree its all juken. I know there is multiple moves but its all. The thing is I don't want an upgrade I want refinement. with addition attack moves to make the byakugan something that the lightning village would truely go after.

Yes but Hoheto was able to see chakra flow in Deidara's explosive clay. Clay and other objects even infused with chakra don't have chakra networks.

[ByakuganAlex]

Yes but Hoheto was able to see chakra flow in Deidara's explosive clay. Clay and other objects even infused with chakra don't have chakra networks.

fair enough. still doesn't make it much different from a fodder sensor ability. seeing the chakra network system isn't as good as it was in the original naruto.

[Troll Master]

fair enough. still doesn't make it much different from a fodder sensor ability. seeing the chakra network system isn't as good as it was in the original naruto.

Seeing the chakra network allows them see where the Chakra Points are and allows them to strike them thus sealing off someone's chakra and preventing them from using anymore jutsu or chakra.

[ByakuganAlex]

Seeing the chakra network allows them see where the Chakra Points are and allows them to strike them thus sealing off someone's chakra and preventing them from using anymore jutsu or chakra.
only neji has been shown seeing cp. I know all about hyuga. the problem is there is so much to counter it now its ridiculous. half of the lightining village has swords, rock village has a bunch of jutsu, mist same boat as lightning. the hyuga needs taijutsu that does the same at distance.

[Troll Master]

only neji has been shown seeing cp. I know all about hyuga. the problem is there is so much to counter it now its ridiculous. half of the lightining village has swords, rock village has a bunch of jutsu, mist same boat as lightning. the hyuga needs taijutsu that does the same at distance.

I know more about the Hyuga.

Rotation adds defense and Air Palms adds range to their combat.

If Neji can do it so can Hiashi and other highly skilled main family members. I mean 64 Palms are one of the jutsus taught to main members Neji didn't create it he learned it.

[ByakuganAlex]

I know more about the Hyuga.

Rotation adds defense and Air Palms adds range to their combat.

If Neji can do it so can Hiashi and other highly skilled main family members. I mean 64 Palms are one of the jutsus taught to main members Neji didn't create it he learned it.

you know more about the hyuga than me....LMAO that's funny. What is the hyuga style a copy of? You have a maximum 4 minutes from the time to answer.

[Troll Master]

you know more about the hyuga than me....LMAO that's funny. What is the hyuga style a copy of? You have a maximum 4 minutes from the time to answer.

Baguazhang or some chinese martial arts. You mean Juuken right?

[ByakuganAlex]

Baguazhang or some chinese martial arts. You mean Juuken right?

duh. took pretty long lol. what style of baguazhang does Hinata prefer?

[shikamaru#1]

In Neji chronicles when Hinata has been captured that kidnappers is sent flying by Hiashi with his air palm from distance.

Little off topic hehe... but I think that air palm is quite good and that was only 8 trigrams

[ByakuganAlex]

In Neji chronicles when Hinata has been captured that kidnappers is sent flying by Hiashi with his air palm from distance.

that's only anime

[ByakuganAlex]

Little off topic hehe... but I think that air palm is quite good and that was only 8 trigrams

lol my bad He isnsulted my hyuga knowledge. oh troll master the answer is yin style your not gonna find that one a website. Kishi and the anime fillers have used that style mainly on her.

[Troll Master]

duh. took pretty long lol. what style of baguazhang does Hinata prefer?

I was offline.

Errr..Yin Yang Style

[ByakuganAlex]

I was offline.

Errr..Yin Yang Style

no its just yin style. Further info..... Yin is represents the passive female priniciple. Yin also has to do with wetness which was shown during the fillers. In addition to that. Hinata was silhouetted in black during her training.

I is Hyuga!!!

[Troll Master]

no its just yin style. Further info..... Yin is represents the passive female priniciple. Yin also has to do with wetness which was shown during the fillers. In addition to that. Hinata was silhouetted in black during her training.

I is Hyuga!!!

http://zeroslaw.kilu.de/jpg/gif/orson-clapping.gif

[shikamaru#1]

lol my bad He isnsulted my hyuga knowledge. oh troll master the answer is yin style your not gonna find that one a website. Kishi and the anime fillers have used that style mainly on her.
Hahaa no worries besides conversation should always lead to another matters ;) And top of that its your thread. I still would like to see a tiny upgrade to byakugan that only Hinata could use :D

[Troll Master]

Hahaa no worries besides conversation should always lead to another matters ;) And top of that its your thread. I still would like to see a tiny upgrade to byakugan that only Hinata could use :D

Its MY thread.

[shikamaru#1]

Its MY thread.
sorry for that:oops: I looked from wrong place....

[K3nsh!n]

Imo, the Byakugan was always intended to be the lesser of the Great Three Dojutsu. This is not to imply that the Byakugan in itself is weak. It is just that the Sharingan and Rinnegan are more powerful than the Byakugan.

If you think about it we got to see Sharingan's true abilities only after we we encountered an Uchiha who had truly mastered it aka Itachi. Yep Kakashi is good with the Sharingan as well but even he couldn't last long against Itachi.

Kishi could have given Byakugan "upgrades" if he really wanted. But he hasn't and nor do I think he will. I mean the Sharingan already has had "upgrades". To do so with the the Byakugan as well would be too much. It would make the entire concept of "upgrade" too common, overused and would convey lack of ingenuity on behalf of the author.

If you still think Byakugan is weak, consider this-why is it called one of the Great Three Dojutsu ? It means that there are probably other dojutsu techniques which we have not even heard of (not referring to anime)! Byakugan was powerful enough to make it way to the top three, albeit as the third.

[Super Sanin 3]

There's only a handful of Uchiha left(not everyone transplants the Sharingan;)) , while a whole clan has the Byakugan so i'd say it's pretty powerful for now

[JashinSama]

I forgot who said it, but anyway, Byakugan is so Part 1.

Also, the only way he'd get any upgrade would be knowledge, like Gaara and his father, as Neji with his.

[EvL j3st3r]

Imo, the Byakugan was always intended to be the lesser of the Great Three Dojutsu. This is not to imply that the Byakugan in itself is weak. It is just that the Sharingan and Rinnegan are more powerful than the Byakugan.

If you think about it we got to see Sharingan's true abilities only after we we encountered an Uchiha who had truly mastered it aka Itachi. Yep Kakashi is good with the Sharingan as well but even he couldn't last long against Itachi.

Kishi could have given Byakugan "upgrades" if he really wanted. But he hasn't and nor do I think he will. I mean the Sharingan already has had "upgrades". To do so with the the Byakugan as well would be too much. It would make the entire concept of "upgrade" too common, overused and would convey lack of ingenuity on behalf of the author.

If you still think Byakugan is weak, consider this-why is it called one of the Great Three Dojutsu ? It means that there are probably other dojutsu techniques which we have not even heard of (not referring to anime)! Byakugan was powerful enough to make it way to the top three, albeit as the third.
Well, I don't think anyone is implying that it's weak. Only that it pales greatly in comparison to the other two dojutsu (as it obviously does).

And I won't say Byakugan was always intended to be the lesser of the three. I think Kishi had a different plan to begin with. I bet he had not even thought of Rinnegan when Byakugan was first introduced, with Kakashi's talk of the origin of the Uchiha lies with the Hyuuga. Saying Hyuuga was first implies Byakugan was first and Sharingan derived from it......many would take that to mean Sharingan was a "diluted" Byakugan (Not my belief, just saying). And Byakugan was getting super hype too.

All in all. I think Kishi's direction then was different then now. I won't say he intended Byakugan to be superior.....but it did seem he intended it to rival Sharingan.

[TheBlackChidori]

The Rinnegan is a rare dojutsu that noone can just achieve. It isn't a bloodline and nor is it like the Byakugan. The Rinnegan was first wielded by an god or the strongest shinobi and probably the second strongest shinobi in all of NARUTO and is a rare occurrence. The Byakugan and Sharingan can be found everywhere in the leaf village only like 2 people in a range of 3-5 hundred years have had the Rinnegan.

Neji made the Byakugan impressive he was once feared as the strongest Genin in the Leaf Village. The only people who made the Sharingan elitly known were the ones who had the MS Sharingan.

Lets see:

Kakashi: He was already pretty damn powerful and famous before getting the Sharingan. He made Jonin at the same age Naruto and his peers entered the Chunin Exams. He was already an expert at looking at a jutsu and copying the idea of it. He created the Chidori just from seeing Minato use the Rasengan and even learned the Rasengan before that

Sasuke: Was driven to become excellent and even with Orochimaru's training Sasuke became an elitist

Itachi: Uchiha's are natural genius it has nothing to do with the Sharingan.

Shusui: Same for Itachi

Madara: Was the founder so he is bound to be powerful

Izuna: Not much is known of him

The rest of the Uchiha: They were easily killed off by Itachi and Madara in a single night

What's your point?

[Troll Master]

What's your point?

The Byakugan don't need to be as strong as the Rinnegan and Sharingan.

Its already better than both in terms of sight.

[ByakuganAlex]

The Byakugan don't need to be as strong as the Rinnegan and Sharingan.

Its already better than both in terms of sight.

how on earth is the byakugan better than the Rinnengan in terms of insight. byakugan is very close to sharingan when it comes to insight.

[Sasuke726]

I find it rather annoying of people coming up with ideas of new Byakugan upgrades. I must end this.

The Byakugan is plenty strong as it is and probably more stronger and versatile than Sharingan at base.

i kinda lost interest after u that. hahaha...

[megabbaut]

Also in Part 2 it can see at least 800 meters (263, 8)

[ByakuganAlex]

Also in Part 2 it can see up to 800 meters

he can actually see yup to 1200 meters. Neji directs Rock Lee to the tag point Neji and lee are exactly opposite of each other lee went 800m Neji went 400m.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

I find it rather annoying of people coming up with ideas of new Byakugan upgrades. I must end this.

The Byakugan is plenty strong as it is and probably more stronger and versatile than Sharingan at base.

The Byakugan has:


360 degree vision: Neji was able to see all of Kidomaru's arrows and spiders at once deflect them all but it does have a weak point in it
Motion tracking: Neji was able to see where Naruto was when he was moving at untraceable speeds when he he fought him in the Chunin Exams
Can see far distances: So good for tracking and scouting
Can see chakra flow even better than the Sharingan
Can see the chakra network: Which in turn allows them strike and close of the chakra points and even release chakra out of their chakra points
X-Ray Vison so it can see through objects, people, and even Genjustu: Kakashi asked Hinata to see through Tobi's Genjutsu(although he didn't knew of Madara's abilities)
Can find accurate weak spots: Neji was able to find the weak spot in the Water Prison Jutsu and dispel it not even Kakashi with his Sharingan could do that
Gentle Fist is very lethal: Hiashi killed a man in a second with it and Neji gave Hinata cardiac-arrest with it. Sending lethal chakra into someone's internal organs and structure to do massive internal damage and one can't defend from the Gentle Fist since one can't heighten their internal defensive's best is not to get hit.
Advanced Eight Trigrams technique: Rotation is one of the many ultimate defense not THE strongest ultimate defense but still pretty amazing, Air Palms adds range to an Hyuga's fighting style giving them mid-range combat tactics, and 64 Palms is a series of extremely fast strikes that can shut off an victim chakra network
Chakra Sealing: By striking enough chakra points an Hyuga can prevent someone from using any chakra so they pretty much win this fight
Sensor skills as seen by Ao

While the Sharingan at base has:



Hypnosis/Genjutsu: The Byakugan can probably see through most of the Genjutsu the Sharingan can dish out
Can see chakra flow but not as good as the Byakugan though
Can read someone's movements and predict their next move but this is meaningless if the person can't keep up like in the Sasuke and Rock Lee fight
Can memorize NOT COPY memorize techniques but if the criteria isn't met the user can't copy or use that memorized technique like Sasuke couldn't copy Rock Lee's Primary bc he couldn't open the first gate so he took the first part of the technique and created Lion's Barrage but Naruto who don't have a Sharingan can make his own version of that
Izanagi: but can only be used if they have Senju DNA and they will automatically lose an eye permanently

Okay which seems more powerful and useful.

Now comes the Mangekyo Sharingan:



Normal Sharingan POWERS !!

Amateratsu: Black Flames that take forever to burn something although it says its as hot as the sun but at times when it does burns an object it burns it to smithereens no remains not even regular flames does that. It is as hot as the sun it just burns really slow and its unextinguishable by any means.
Tsukiyomi: Genjutsu that causes extreme trauma to the point someone could pass out from the mental pain but only works if someone stares into the eyes and as seen by Team 7 VS Itachi that is possible for them. Only Itachi can control the perception of time in his Yomi.
Susano'o: Can sprouts rib cages to protect the user and arms to crush, grab, and other arm functions. An incomplete skeletal form don't do much but serves as a guardian and in its complete skin form it gets a weapon based on the user(Sasuke got an bow and arrow and Itachi got an shield NOTE: The Totsuka Sword is a altogether separate weapon Itachi equipped to his Susano'o) but has weak spot in its spine and if attacked opens and exposes the user(an Byakugan might be able to find this weak spot) and in its Final Completed Armor Form it gets extra armor that heightens its defense more but it still might have an weak spot. This jutsu causes extreme hard to the user as the Susano'o feeds off of user's life force.

The MS techs causes extreme eye damage and can cause an user to go blind thus prevents them from being spammed or used that much in fights well except for the Susano'o.

The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is just an upgrade of the MS which just allows the user to use the MS techs without drawbacks(except for the Susano'o that causes body damage not eye damage).

People here are complaining bc the Rinnegan is more stronger WELL DUH its the strongest Dojutsu in the entire series....Do you wanna know why?

Because only like 2-3 people in NARUTO history has it. Its extremely rare to find to the point that almost everyone believes its a myth. Byakugans can be found almost everywhere.

The Byakugan is the weaker of the 2 bc its easier to unlock. Hyugas are automatically born with it while the Sharingan had to be unlocked through extreme mental stress and the Rinnegan too. The MS had to be unlock in some way not sure if Itachi's way was the only way but its hard to unlock that despite the fact that many Uchihas tried to get it only like 6 in history have unlocked it.

Sharingan<Byakugan<Mangekyo Sharingan<Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan<Rinnegan

An Hyuga's Byakugan is as strong as the Hyuga himself.

The Byakugan at the moment isn't that important to the story but I'll get to that some other time.

First Red Colored, you forgot to mention that the MS has normal Sharingan abilities too, but that isn't the main point. Also, the Genjutsu that the MS can create is VERY POWERFUL, even the Byakugan has no escape from it, the genjutsu is known as Kotoamatsukami, if you've read the manga, this genjutsu is capable of ESCAPING Edo Tensei.

Second red colored.
Are you joking WITH ME, lol the EMS isn't close to equal or equal to RINNEGAN, don't be stupid, the powers that the RINNEGAN features are far more powerful than the EMS, Madara even with his EMS lost against Hashirama Senju. Imagine what would've a guy like Pain or lets say Rikudo Sennin would've done to Madara, so EMS isn't equal to the Rinnegan.

But.. at one point you are right, the normal Sharingan is weaker than the Byakugan, and the Byakugan is very useful to the Shinobi World, as we can see, it has been and will always be helpful. So Byakugan really is good, but still, an Uchiha is stronger.

[EvL j3st3r]

First Red Colored, you forgot to mention that the MS has normal Sharingan abilities too, but that isn't the main point. Also, the Genjutsu that the MS can create is VERY POWERFUL, even the Byakugan has no escape from it, the genjutsu is known as Kotoamatsukami, if you've read the manga, this genjutsu is capable of ESCAPING Edo Tensei.

Second red colored.
Are you joking WITH ME, lol the EMS isn't close to equal or equal to RINNEGAN, don't be stupid, the powers that the RINNEGAN features are far more powerful than the EMS, Madara even with his EMS lost against Hashirama Senju. Imagine what would've a guy like Pain or lets say Rikudo Sennin would've done to Madara, so EMS isn't equal to the Rinnegan.

But.. at one point you are right, the normal Sharingan is weaker than the Byakugan, and the Byakugan is very useful to the Shinobi World, as we can see, it has been and will always be helpful. So Byakugan really is good, but still, an Uchiha is stronger.

Hold on now....I'm not so ready to say Rinnegan > EMS. It may be.....but for now, we've not yet seen EMS. I'll need more evidence to make that call.

Nor would I say base Sharingan is weaker than Byakugan. I think they would be pretty close. Of course, any opinion on that subject would be pure speculation anyway since we haven't even seen these two dojutsu face-off against one another.

Also, you should refrain from insulting peoples intelligence (such as calling people stupid). This is all debate. If we all agreed on everything none of us would be here. I recommend trying to show respect to the person on the other side of the argument, despite the fact you disagree. Anyway, personal attacks can get you infracted here and may even get you banned.

[megabbaut]

Also, the Genjutsu that the MS can create is VERY POWERFUL, even the Byakugan has no escape from it
I don't think the Byakugan would even be caught in Sharingan genjutsu :O As we know, you need eye contact to cast genjutsu (or point fingers in Itachi's case) and the Byakugan does not percieve the actual surface of the object it is looking at. Instead, it percieves the the inside of the object and analyzes it's chakra. Because of this, an activated Byakugan cannot stare directly into a Sharingan eye. As a result, an activated Byakugan cannot be inflicted with a Sharingan Genjutsu. I'm not talking about Genjutsu in general. However a skilled Hyuga would still be very resistant to non-Sharingan Genjutsu. Byakugan can scan not only the caster's chakra, but scan the entire area in a very large area and with great clarity. Because of the chakra abnormalities with Genjutsu, a Byakugan will instantly notice when a Genjutsu is activated. Also due to the Juken fighting style, a Hyuga has complete and total control over his/her chakra flow. Manipulating their own chakra flow to disrupt a genjutsu would generally be pretty easy for a skilled Hyuga. So basically, a Hyuga is invulerable to Sharingan Genjutsu, and resistant to normal Genjutsu.

[Troll Master]

how on earth is the byakugan better than the Rinnengan in terms of insight. byakugan is very close to sharingan when it comes to insight.

Can the Sharingan and Rinnegan see through objects, see 10 kilometers, have a near perfect 360 degree vision, and see the chakra network? No.

[Jakropha]

Can the Sharingan and Rinnegan see through objects, see 10 kilometers, have a near perfect 360 degree vision, and see the chakra network? No.
Sharingan can detect Chakra through walls, but thats it

Rinnegan has a shared vision, but only with multiple bodies at play.

Byakugan has superior scouting abilities, Sharingan is only an aid in combat at base. Kakashi has proven that he doesnt need Sharingan to wipe the floor with his enemy. :lol:
Sasuke HAS to use it in order to barely kill his already weakened foe.

[Hyuuga Heir]

Sharingan can detect Chakra through walls, but thats it

Rinnegan has a shared vision, but only with multiple bodies at play.

Byakugan has superior scouting abilities, Sharingan is only an aid in combat at base. Kakashi has proven that he doesnt need Sharingan to wipe the floor with his enemy. :lol:
Sasuke HAS to use it in order to barely kill his already weakened foe.
Chapter? I don't recall the Sharingan ever being able to do that. Otherwise there would be no point in Kakashi covering his up.

[Vivi]

Kakashi has proven that he doesnt need Sharingan to wipe the floor with his enemy. :lol:


Cause even with it he gets whooped by Pain.
And without it he gets whooped by Kakuzu.

[Troll Master]

Cause even with it he gets whooped by Pain.
And without it he gets whooped by Kakuzu.

Didn't he use it in his fight against Kakuzu.

[TheBlackChidori]

The Byakugan don't need to be as strong as the Rinnegan and Sharingan.

Its already better than both in terms of sight.

I really wasn't disagreeing with you though.

I'm just saying that it has no offensive prowess in comparison to the two and Hyuga fans would love to see more of that.

[Rasengan SageX5]

^Exactly what we've been trying to say.

[Troll Master]

I really wasn't disagreeing with you though.

I'm just saying that it has no offensive prowess in comparison to the two and Hyuga fans would love to see more of that.

That is not going to happen. The most you can hope for is new more powerful Juuken techs and an rich back story on the Hyuga Clan's origins.

Don't expect the Hyuga Clan to be treated better than the Uzumaki Clan and that is the clan the main character is from.

[TheBlackChidori]

That is not going to happen. The most you can hope for is new more powerful Juuken techs and an rich back story on the Hyuga Clan's origins.

Don't expect the Hyuga Clan to be treated better than the Uzumaki Clan and that is the clan the main character is from.

Well it COULD happen. But yeah it likely won't. Even if it does, what's going to go down? Is Kishimoto going to suddenly give Neji or Hinata an MS-like power boost to combat the Edos? They need a good reason and don't have one.

But it's possible.

The Byakugan is unlike the Rinnegan and Sharingan in only one ways It's the only doujutsu you inherit from birth. No one is born with a Sharingan, they awaken it at some point during their life. Usually during increased stress or turmoil.

Danzo seemed fairly set on getting it back from Ao. He actually took the time while on the run for his life, to set traps to capture Ao and retrieve it. And Ao was hell-bent on keeping it, the Mist village moreso considering all the precautions they took.

And Neji proved recently that using it for long periods of time causes severe strain. So at most I see him or Hinata unlocking a better version of it.


The key to the Byakugan definitely lies in the Juubi.

[ByakuganAlex]

Can the Sharingan and Rinnegan see through objects, see 10 kilometers, have a near perfect 360 degree vision, and see the chakra network? No.

yes both sharingan and rinnengan can see through objects. Rinnengan can have a pefect 360 vision. Sharingan can predict moves better and has better understanding of jutsu when shown which is why sharingan is close. rinnengan can read minds and copy all jutsu.

[Nick Tasogare]

yes both sharingan and rinnengan can see through objects. Rinnengan can have a pefect 360 vision. Sharingan can predict moves better and has better understanding of jutsu when shown which is why sharingan is close. rinnengan can read minds and copy all jutsu.

No. Rinnegan and Sharing do not have X-Ray Vision.

Rinnegan does not read minds. One of the Paths that are usable by the Rinnegan user can read minds, and the person's head must be held, or their soul sucked out through, I believe, the Asura Path. It has also never been seen to copy jutsu. It DOES grant the possessor access to all Chakra Natures.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Human path sucks souls.

[ByakuganAlex]

No. Rinnegan and Sharing do not have X-Ray Vision.

Rinnegan does not read minds. One of the Paths that are usable by the Rinnegan user can read minds, and the person's head must be held, or their soul sucked out through, I believe, the Asura Path. It has also never been seen to copy jutsu. It DOES grant the possessor access to all Chakra Natures.

Naruto 361 pg 10 for Sharingan
419 page 2 rinnengan:this one is debatable pein see all the way through to the mountains but lets count that as no for now.

you just said rinnengan doesn't read minds but in the very next sentence you say a rinnengan user can read minds =/.

I meant essentially rinnengan can have any move.

[Vivi]

Naruto 361 pg 10 for Sharingan

419 page 2 rinnengan:this one is debatable pein see all the way through to the mountains but lets count that as no for now.

you just said rinnengan doesn't read minds but in the very next sentence you say a rinnengan user can read minds =/.

I meant essentially rinnengan can have any move.

Authors intent to show the Readers what is going on inside Sasuke's Body.

Same.It's just can see Chakra just like the Sharingan.

[EvL j3st3r]

No. Rinnegan and Sharing do not have X-Ray Vision.

Rinnegan does not read minds. One of the Paths that are usable by the Rinnegan user can read minds, and the person's head must be held, or their soul sucked out through, I believe, the Asura Path. It has also never been seen to copy jutsu. It DOES grant the possessor access to all Chakra Natures.
agree with all you said, except the read minds part. If one of the paths can do it then so can the person controlling that path. Actually, it is the person controlling the path that's doing it.

[TheBlackChidori]

Wasn't it said that someone with the Rinnegan has access to all Jutsu?

[deidara330]

One possible effect the Byakugan has is an increased ability to see through Genjutsu. Ao saw through the Genjutsu Madara placed on Yagura, which was closest in effect to Koto Amatsukami of the Genjutsu we know to exist. If it truly was Koto Amatsukami or anything close to it in power, the Byakugan probably helped greatly in its use. Additionally, Ao fought Shisui, the very same user of that Genjutsu, and even though it's unclear whether Koto Amatsukami was available at that time, Ao still gets props for being able to combat a Sharingan user without Genjutsu overtaking him.

I think the Byakugan's ability to combat other Genjutsu is something that's never been showcased the way it deserves. Other than that, the Byakugan is only as modest as any Kekkei Genkai. This whole war brings a greater balance to the powers we've already seen and the powers of other villages that we've never seen. I don't think Byakugan should be given any one-up on even the Cloud's Black Lightning since it just makes the Leaf Village more out to be the only village with anything good in it. Basically, the war gives the sense that the Naruto fiction actually has a world in it and not just a single village that's the extent of the reader's perception.

[Nick Tasogare]

Rinnegan is all Chakra Natures, learn any technique in a short time.

[EvL j3st3r]

^right, I recall it being all chakra natures......that doesn't mean "any technique" or "all jutsu" are in it's grasp. Some techniques/jutsu (KG) are tied to genetics. Chakra nature alone won't earn you those techniques. But basically anything else is achievable by my understanding.

[ByakuganAlex]

Authors intent to show the Readers what is going on inside Sasuke's Body.

Same.It's just can see Chakra just like the Sharingan.

I disagree. Sasuke clearly had a shocked looked on his eyes. plus he say through the ground and located deidara's bombs. he needed some level of x-ray vision to see through. not say as clear as byakugan but its still there.

[Nick Tasogare]

I disagree. Sasuke clearly had a shocked looked on his eyes. plus he say through the ground and located deidara's bombs. he needed some level of x-ray vision to see through. not say as clear as byakugan but its still there.

He didn't see the bombs. He channeled Lightning Chakra into his sword and let it fly so that, if it did land and hit one of the bombs, the Lightning Chakra would disable it, making a safe place (his sword) for him to stand on.

[ByakuganAlex]

One possible effect the Byakugan has is an increased ability to see through Genjutsu. Ao saw through the Genjutsu Madara placed on Yagura, which was closest in effect to Koto Amatsukami of the Genjutsu we know to exist. If it truly was Koto Amatsukami or anything close to it in power, the Byakugan probably helped greatly in its use. Additionally, Ao fought Shisui, the very same user of that Genjutsu, and even though it's unclear whether Koto Amatsukami was available at that time, Ao still gets props for being able to combat a Sharingan user without Genjutsu overtaking him.

I think the Byakugan's ability to combat other Genjutsu is something that's never been showcased the way it deserves. Other than that, the Byakugan is only as modest as any Kekkei Genkai. This whole war brings a greater balance to the powers we've already seen and the powers of other villages that we've never seen. I don't think Byakugan should be given any one-up on even the Cloud's Black Lightning since it just makes the Leaf Village more out to be the only village with anything good in it. Basically, the war gives the sense that the Naruto fiction actually has a world in it and not just a single village that's the extent of the reader's perception.

if byakugan has greater ability to see through genjutsu than sharingan I can call it even. Its true Kishi has been hinting at it for some time. if it does byakugan would best be for anbu which I was hoping Neji would be apart of.

[ByakuganAlex]

He didn't see the bombs. He channeled Lightning Chakra into his sword and let it fly so that, if it did land and hit one of the bombs, the Lightning Chakra would disable it, making a safe place (his sword) for him to stand on.

Naruto pg 361 pg 22 but don't read that yet. If he didn't know where the bombs were how would he prove his theory against deidara? Now look it up.

[Nick Tasogare]

That's funny, there is no page 22.

Anyways, he doesn't have X-Ray Vision. It's entirely viable that he saw the Chakra coming from the bombs, I suppose. Then he would have sent his Lightning Sword, if it didn't blow up, safe.

[ByakuganAlex]

That's funny, there is no page 22.

Anyways, he doesn't have X-Ray Vision. It's entirely viable that he saw the Chakra coming from the bombs, I suppose. Then he would have sent his Lightning Sword, if it didn't blow up, safe.

if he saw chakra coming from the bombs then he would have seen through the ground as well. whatever is the last page on 361 is.

[Nick Tasogare]

if he saw chakra coming from the bombs then he would have seen through the ground as well. whatever is the last page on 361 is.

That last page showing the sword through the bomb isn't him seeing into the ground. It's showing his sword having pierced through the bomb.

Furthermore, when asked how he knew where they were, he doesn't say "My eyes give me X-Ray Vision." he says "My eyes give color to Chakra." proving that he saw the Chakra, not the actual bomb beneath the ground.

[EvL j3st3r]

EDIT: nevermind

[ByakuganAlex]

That last page showing the sword through the bomb isn't him seeing into the ground. It's showing his sword having pierced through the bomb.

Furthermore, when asked how he knew where they were, he doesn't say "My eyes give me X-Ray Vision." he says "My eyes give color to Chakra." proving that he saw the Chakra, not the actual bomb beneath the ground.

oh think...how can he see the chakra if its underground...... he has a low form of x-ray vision.

[Nick Tasogare]

If a door is closed, but the light behind it is on, you can still see it through small cracks.

If there is gas underground, you can often still smell it even though there is no hole in the earth.

Or here, maybe this will make sense. People use goggles that can read heat signatures to determine where targets are within buildings. Pretty sure those don't use any form of X-Ray Vision.

Sharingan eyes are the goggles, Chakra is the heat or lack thereof.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

I don't think the Byakugan would even be caught in Sharingan genjutsu :O As we know, you need eye contact to cast genjutsu (or point fingers in Itachi's case) and the Byakugan does not percieve the actual surface of the object it is looking at. Instead, it percieves the the inside of the object and analyzes it's chakra. Because of this, an activated Byakugan cannot stare directly into a Sharingan eye. As a result, an activated Byakugan cannot be inflicted with a Sharingan Genjutsu. I'm not talking about Genjutsu in general. However a skilled Hyuga would still be very resistant to non-Sharingan Genjutsu. Byakugan can scan not only the caster's chakra, but scan the entire area in a very large area and with great clarity. Because of the chakra abnormalities with Genjutsu, a Byakugan will instantly notice when a Genjutsu is activated. Also due to the Juken fighting style, a Hyuga has complete and total control over his/her chakra flow. Manipulating their own chakra flow to disrupt a genjutsu would generally be pretty easy for a skilled Hyuga. So basically, a Hyuga is invulerable to Sharingan Genjutsu, and resistant to normal Genjutsu.

Honestly, if the Kotoamatsukami can escape from Edo Tensei, and is as powerful as Itachi said(it would affect the person without them knowing it) then how in the world will a ninja with Byakugan can escape it?
~Edit :
I wasn't speaking for normal Sharingan since I think a normal Sharingan is not capable of doing a Genjutsu like Kotoamatsukami, I was speaking for Mangekyo Sharingan.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Also, you should refrain from insulting peoples intelligence (such as calling people stupid). This is all debate. If we all agreed on everything none of us would be here. I recommend trying to show respect to the person on the other side of the argument, despite the fact you disagree. Anyway, personal attacks can get you infracted here and may even get you banned.

And I'm sorry for using "stupid" cause I don't know what happened to me when I was writing, I was a bit mad at someone else I suppose.

[ByakuganAlex]

If a door is closed, but the light behind it is on, you can still see it through small cracks.

If there is gas underground, you can often still smell it even though there is no hole in the earth.

Or here, maybe this will make sense. People use goggles that can read heat signatures to determine where targets are within buildings. Pretty sure those don't use any form of X-Ray Vision.

Sharingan eyes are the goggles, Chakra is the heat or lack thereof.

you mean something like a thermal camera. if so thermal cameras can't see heat signatures through walls that's only in movies =/.

[Super Sanin 3]

i'm pretty sure he means see through any object...though i may be wrong

Although Neji wasn't able to see Naruto underground, it proved to be able to see through Zabuza's hidden mist

[ByakuganAlex]

i'm pretty sure he means see through any object...though i may be wrong

Although Neji wasn't able to see Naruto underground, it proved to be able to see through Zabuza's hidden mist

Neji didn't have his byakugan active at the time.

[Nick Tasogare]

you mean something like a thermal camera. if so thermal cameras can't see heat signatures through walls that's only in movies =/.

And Naruto is a fictional series =/

AND there's still the fact that he said "My eyes give color to Chakra." and not "I saw the bombs underground with my X-Ray Vision." indicating he saw the Chakra, not the bombs. If he had any form of X-Ray Vision that would be the reason he was able to see the Chakra, he'd have seen the bombs that the Chakra was coming from.

[ByakuganAlex]

And Naruto is a fictional series =/

AND there's still the fact that he said "My eyes give color to Chakra." and not "I saw the bombs underground with my X-Ray Vision." indicating he saw the Chakra, not the bombs. If he had any form of X-Ray Vision that would be the reason he was able to see the Chakra, he'd have seen the bombs that the Chakra was coming from.

ok he can see foreign chakra within his body and chakra through ground. what should be the name for that?

[Troll Master]

ok he can see foreign chakra within his body and chakra through ground. what should be the name for that?

He can only see it in the form of colors.

Its called being able to see chakra flow. Hoheto was able to see Deidara's bomb in Muta's gourd. Ao was able to see the color of Shisui's eye.