California law requires schools to teach gay history

[Err]

I'm against it. It's a stupid law. It's like requiring schools to teach the history of people who like the color green or people who wear glasses. Yes, gay people have made a difference but it doesnt matter if they like the same sex while doing it. The opposing argument-- to raise awareness of the gays-- is weak, at best. guess same should be considered for atheists or any kind of minority group. It's not important that they were/are gay, only their effects.

[xxPainxx]

Id Go Against Dis As Well I Do Not Hav A Problem Wit Gays Jus Like U Said It Sounds Stupid Nd It Isnt Important Tht Dey Were Gay Or Are . Well Look Foward 2 Seein Mo Gays N California Lol .

[CrackFat]

Sounds like they're teaching a history separate from "regular" human history?

How idiotic.

[Minoru]

Exactly, with the color thing. I mean, if being gay is someone's preference for the same sex. Then we should be required to learn about my preference for soda over water. =/ It's stupid. I do believe it should be there, though. But only optionally. To make it mandatory is just ridiculous.

[Wooster]

Standard practice. Going from tolerance of homosexual behavior (good) to celebration of it (bad if demanded).

Not very surprising though. Still, what is even the point of mentioning that someone liked butt sex in a classroom? The only thing to teach would be gay activists. Does that really take more than one day even if you were to teach that?

[sasu_girl]

Sounds like they're teaching a history separate from "regular" human history?

How idiotic.
oh, we do that xD because we don't make sense like that.

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i'm against it. there is NO WAY it could turn out correctly. all you'd get is children making fun of gays because they're too immature. also, does it matter? just wiggle it into the current history books and then you've got it(if you really want it).

[Shikamaru Nara]

I'm not for it or against it.

The things kids don't understand about being gay is that it's not a bad thing or a sin, it's just a preference. It's just the way you are. I don't think it's main focus is on teaching kids about gay awareness.

It's probably trying to encourage kids to be their own person and no try to live up to everyone's petty standards. Gays should be gay, because there's nothing wrong with liking the peens. For real. You can still live a life.

On the other hand, making a law about it is just ludicrous.

[Merechan]

It doesn't bother me. Actually, it sounds like a good idea.

[RyomaKoujou]

Yes, we discuss Martin Luther and his march for civil rights. We discuss slavery. All had effects on all encompassing history. It is just as important to learn what gay people have done for history.

[Ino's Girl]

It's just another boring subject to learn

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I can understand if we were like 10 years removed from gays getting some rights and stuff. This is stuff that's going on right now though. The kids know about gays, what is there to teach?

Things like this shouldn't be forced.

[RyomaKoujou]

Who said we were forcing gay people on them. We are teaching their effects on history. What about everything leading up to it? Don't get me wrong, I think we should be taught about all the different races and their effect on history. When we look at black history I dont see anyone forcing me to be black, or to do the things we learn about.

[Jose]

Yes, we discuss Martin Luther and his march for civil rights. We discuss slavery. All had effects on all encompassing history. It is just as important to learn what gay people have done for history.

Nothing that I have notice.

Not to be mean but next they will want A Gay Appreciation Month.

[Ino's Girl]

Nothing that I have notice.

Not to be mean but next they will want A Gay Appreciation Month.
What's wrong with that?

[RyomaKoujou]

Perhaps you haven't noticed because you haven't learned. Search about Harvey Milk. he is the gay equal to Martin Luther King. Who says that we should learn one over the other? All this law says is that they wil incorporate a section to gays effects on history, much like we have on blacks and women.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I can understand it. Still don't really care.

I didn't care too much about any history after 8th grade.

[sagemaster777]

What's wrong with that?
its just idiotic.

[RyomaKoujou]

Well, in the words of the OP, it's not important we learn black history or women history. All that matters is their effects, not their skin or gender.

To teach they are women or black is just idiotic, right?

[Ino's Girl]

its just idiotic.
How???

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I just don't know if the thing with gays can really be considered history yet. Hell, gays still can't marry in some states. I am fine with gays myself, and history isn't going to change my opinion that gays are people too. I'm not in school anymore, so meh.

[RyomaKoujou]

But dont you see, there is history. Blacks had history before they had rights. Why should gays, or anyone for that matter, be treated any differently?

[Jose]

I wonder if there going to make a semester class or just print out paper and teach from that.


Ugh california I should just live in Texas.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I just don't like anything that is considered mandatory. It's not against gays, it's against mandatory things in general.

[RyomaKoujou]

I understand. People as a race don't like things that are forced upon us. Thank you for being honest and open minded

[Kiko-kun]

I totally agree with Err, it doesn't matter if they are gay..

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I understand. People as a race don't like things that are forced upon us. Thank you for being honest and open minded

Well, I like including it in history. I just don't like it being made such a big deal out of. So they're gay, so what?

Once you pass into High School, mandatory things become redundant. I don't believe anything should be required in High School. Aside from something that pertains to how you live. Everything else should be cool as electives.

[RyomaKoujou]

I agree. I think that if High School really is about prepping for college, they should have made it to where we were giving choices on everything. It would have made high school more fun for me, but thats HISTORY(see what a did there :D)

All Im saying is it that its dumb to make a big deal about it being taught also. My point is that it is dumb to say it shouldnt be taught, why should it matter. I was just arguing that if your going to say why it shouldnt, there is reasons it should.

[boman265]

I mean if there is an historic event that was important and there where gay people there then they should teach it in history class, as a part of our history. We should not go out of our way to teach gay history lol.

[Jose]

I bet San Fransico is behind this. How I hate that city.

[Ino's Girl]

I bet San Fransico is behind this. How I hate that city.
Stop complaining already -_- xD

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I don't think it should or shouldn't. I'd teach more in like Middle School though. When you get to High School, you have made most of your opinions on things. Some people will never be able to get over the fact that people are gay. One reason because Christians for instance, may consider gays evil for being gay. Without knowing anything about them.

I think in High School, you should talk to a Guidance Counselor or a Scheduler to get an idea of classes to take. Maybe you tell them you want to try writing. Okay, you have English as a requirement, then you have other classes such as Journalism, History, and other things that can help you with that. You can start in 9th or 10th grade. If it turns out you don't like that or that you're not good at it, you can try something else next semester or year. Athletes would be different, they have a higher risk of getting injured, so having a few other classes would be nice for them.

[Jose]

Stop complaining already -_- xD

Lol never complaining is the only way things get done. xD

[RyomaKoujou]

Im in college for Game Art and Game Design. so when i was in high school I did my classes to fit that, taking art, graphic design, animation, computer science, and such. I agree that high shcool should have a major overhall.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

The thing about High School though is, they put so much focus on the academics, and very little on what you yourself actually want to do. Instead of saying, "What electives do you want?" they could have asked, "What is a career you're interested in?"

[boman265]

Gay history is just history. If there was historic event with gay people then it of importance then it should be taught in history class. Don't treat gays special they are just people too. Don't make a special history class in school just for them. People who are gay should be treated no different then any one else we shouldn't go out of are way to single them out more than anyone else.

[RyomaKoujou]

That is what they are doing. They arent making a seperate class for gay history, they are adding things into history classes now. it just like when they touch civil rights. There snt a whole class for it, its blended in. As it is now, i dont recall anything being mentioned with gay people at all. Thats all they are changing. We arent asking for special treatment, we are asking fo equal treament. Becuase like you said, we are people too, we at least deserve mention.

[NBT]

I don't live in Califonia,so this is irrelevant to me.

[sagemaster777]

That is what they are doing. They arent making a seperate class for gay history, they are adding things into history classes now. it just like when they touch civil rights. There snt a whole class for it, its blended in. As it is now, i dont recall anything being mentioned with gay people at all. Thats all they are changing. We arent asking for special treatment, we are asking fo equal treament. Becuase like you said, we are people too, we at least deserve mention.
But there Making it Mandatory to be learned.Key Word.It should be An Option.

[RyomaKoujou]

So should everything that is mandatory to learn then. All im seeing here is discrimination due to subject matter. If one thing should be treated as choice, all should be. I dont think they are tying you down, telling you being gay is a choice/genetic and then forcing you to have sex with men/women based on your gender. To treat it as such is Idiotic.

[sharingangirl]

I'm not for it or against it.

The things kids don't understand about being gay is that it's not a bad thing or a sin, it's just a preference. It's just the way you are. I don't think it's main focus is on teaching kids about gay awareness.

It's probably trying to encourage kids to be their own person and no try to live up to everyone's petty standards. Gays should be gay, because there's nothing wrong with liking the peens. For real. You can still live a life.

On the other hand, making a law about it is just ludicrous.
I agree.
I think that it is not time (yet) to teach about it, considering most states haven't made gay marriage legal yet. Just like we teach the fight for blacks to have rights and for women to have rights, we should do the same for the gay people. However, that fight is not over. So, basically, it's a little too soon.
And it should not be a law.

[NBT]

To me it just seems like they're trying to force people to accept gays.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I agree.
I think that it is not time (yet) to teach about it, considering most states haven't made gay marriage legal yet. Just like we teach the fight for blacks to have rights and for women to have rights, we should do the same for the gay people. However, that fight is not over. So, basically, it's a little too soon.
And it should not be a law.

To be fair, it's only in California.

[RyomaKoujou]

I fail to see how? They arent teaching you what gay people do, or what it means to be gay. They are teaching you the role gay people have played in history, and how they effected it. Think of it like when you discuss the Great Depression(ironic) You learned about how it effected society, economy, and the government. Thats all youll be learning.

[sharingangirl]

To be fair, it's only in California.
It doesn't matter to me. I think they should have their rights on a greater scale before we start teaching it period.

[boman265]

Gay people don't have a play a large part in our history because it was looked down on for so long. Most people with power to do things of historical significance couldn't admit to being gay and still have their power. So most of their material would fall under more recent history. What do you want them to talk about? All i can think of off the top of my head is the role they played after AID's broke out and people WRONGLY pointed their finger at them thinking the two were related.

[king kakashi]

Gay people don't have a play a large part in our history because it was looked down on for so long. Most people with power to do things of historical significance couldn't admit to being gay and still have their power. So most of their material would fall under more recent history. What do you want them to talk about? All i can think of off the top of my head is the role they played after AID's broke out and people WRONGLY pointed their finger at them thinking the two were related.
What do you mean it was looked down on for so long.
In greece pretty much every famous philosopher was gay
Several gay activist have stood up for it over the years .
america gets more and more supportve of gay rights everyday
the whole point is should you be called homophobic because you don't want to study the history of gay people... no.
if you are angry about gay rights why would there be a seperate unit on gay people, shouldn't there just be one class.
for example when you teach about epic fights for rights mention what gay people have to go through to get married. don't make a special unit about gay marches then tell everone to go study. not many people are gonna want to do that.
i'm sorry but i don't want to go to class and write a 1000 word paper on gay people.

[boman265]

Your wrong if you think it has always been accepted. If its so accepted why can you only mention one philosopher and a slew of activists? We wouldn't need activists if it was accepted.

[The Forgotten One]

@king kakashi: In ancient Greece, it was not "gay" for a man to be with another man, it was considered manly, and was perfectly acceptable. It was a completely different story with women, however...

And other than Harvey Milk, are there any other openlyl gay people who are important in history? Not people we think were gay, but people that are known for sure.

[Nick Tasogare]

Your wrong if you think it has always been accepted. If its so accepted why can you only mention one philosopher and a slew of activists? We wouldn't need activists if it was accepted.

There are African American activists, are there not? Animal Rights as well. Are black people and animals not accepted?

[White Zetsu]

well, if you teach it separately technically you are separating them from the rest of history so its still being anti- homosexual... just like if you teach african american history separately, youre still technically separating them from the rest of society... bot hshould just be included in normal history, worked throughout it...

[Sai's brother]

Nothing that I have notice.

Not to be mean but next they will want A Gay Appreciation Month.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_Pride_Month

I found this :P
Close enough really

@OP - Well I heard about the law a few days ago and talked about it on another forum. Anyways I am for it kinda :P

[Nick Tasogare]

^Well why not? Not like it's important. Pretty much everyone has one.

[boman265]

There are African American activists, are there not? Animal Rights as well. Are black people and animals not accepted?

OMG the whole point of an activist is to make sure they share the same rights. Black people weren't accepted as equals for a LONG time. We have them now because people think that in some cases they don't have equal rights. Look up the word activist. THEY are there to help gain rights. Why would they do that if they were so accepted? You seriously think gay people have always been treated equally? I'm pretty sure that whole law we're talking about is there because they feel they aren't. But your right Gays, blacks, and other minorities have always been accepted and never had to struggle for their rights. LOL

[Bacon]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the legislature's way of making up for the Prop 8 bill. :lol:

[tsuki]

I believe they should have made the law so that the schools are required to offer a class that includes, or is focused on Gays. I don't think it should require them to incorporate it into the material that is already there. There already way too much stuff to learn as it is, so it should be an elective and not a requirement.


The thing about High School though is, they put so much focus on the academics, and very little on what you yourself actually want to do. Instead of saying, "What electives do you want?" they could have asked, "What is a career you're interested in?"

Problem with that is most kids have no idea what they actually want to do. I know I had no idea, and I have graduated from college and I still have no idea what I want to do for a long-term career. I just studied what I was good at, but I didn't particularly enjoy or hate it. Deciding what you want to do with your life can come really easy for some people, but it takes time fore most people.

[tsuki]

All i can think of off the top of my head is the role they played after AID's broke out and people WRONGLY pointed their finger at them thinking the two were related.
Actually I'm pretty positive that it was a Gay guy who screwed a monkey that started the AIDS epidemic.

[boman265]

Actually I'm pretty positive that it was a Gay guy who screwed a monkey that started the AIDS epidemic.

Nope I've heard the same thing and you couldn't be farther from the truth. That kind of thinking is wrong and you only make yourself sound ignorant. You would be wise to remove your comment because of how stupid it is.

[tsuki]

Nope I've heard the same thing and you couldn't be farther from the truth. That kind of thinking is wrong and you only make yourself sound ignorant. You would be wise to remove your comment because of how stupid it is.

Okay, then how did a disease that was only found in monkeys suddenly infect the human population?

FYI I have nothing against gays. I love lesbians very much, xP

[boman265]

Okay, then how did a disease that was only found in monkeys suddenly infect the human population?

FYI I have nothing against gays. I love lesbians very much, xP

That was a rumour made when the outbreak started by people who don't like gays. Your telling me having sex with a monkey is homosexual. Nope its bestiality. Thats not how diseases work. Look your stupid idea up man or ask a doctor (I work for one). In any case what you just said is bigotry weather you like it or not. Fact is we don't know exactly how it started but it could be from unsterile injections or some sort of mutation. The only reason they are associated with gays was because of bath house's in cali when it started. They were more open with their own sexuality and sex was common there. I would remove it before a mod sees it. Wow if people like you are out there maybe we do need to pay more attention to gays in history.

[tsuki]

That was a rumour made when the outbreak started by people who don't like gays. Your telling me having sex with a monkey is homosexual. Nope its bestiality. Thats not how diseases work. Look your stupid idea up man or ask a doctor (I work for one). In any case what you just said is bigotry weather you like it or not. I would remove it before a mod sees it.

1. I never said it was homosexual to screw a monkey. I said a homosexual screwed a monkey. Big difference.

2. Actually that is how AIDS works, it is transferred by the exchange of bodily fluids. Many diseases work that way. Most cannot transfer between species, but some can.

3. No, its not bigotry. I'm not attacking Gay people. As I mentioned, I love Lesbians.

4. I'm not attacking anyone on the forums or doing anything against the rules, so mods won't give a crap.

[boman265]

Your not homosexual if your screwing monkeys. If your homosexual your attracted to the same sex of your OWN species. And no diseases can not go from one species to another unless it mutates thus causing a new disease to form or a new strand. It had originated from monkeys in Africa and since their DNA is similar it would be easy to mutate. But what I just said got twisted around over time spawning the ignorant comment you just made. That idea came from bigots and is making people unintentionally stupid. Wether or not you intended it that is what it is. Don't defend your statement because its wrong.

[tsuki]

Obviously you can't read correctly as you misinterpret everything I'm saying even when I went to the trouble of making it extra clear for you. Don't attack other people's statements if you can't understand what they are saying.

[boman265]

You have no idea what you posted is my whole point. Defending a wrong idea only makes it worse. YOU said that thats how it started gays screwing monkeys i'm saying your wrong and do re-evaluate your statement. We DON'T KNOW HOW IT STARTED. I could be from sharing hypodermic needles or made in a lab WE DON"T KNOW.

Actually I'm pretty positive that it was a Gay guy who screwed a monkey that started the AIDS epidemic.

[tsuki]

I said I was pretty positive. I didn't state it as a fact. I even asked you to explain exactly how it started, yet you didn't. In fact you just said you don't know how it started. So my statement could in fact be true, but you can't prove it either way.

Get over yourself and stop making a pointless argument.

[boman265]

You asked me how it started I said no one knows. And that's what anyone even with expertise in the disease will tell you. I gave you an answer but I know for a FACT your WRONG. Look up the origions of your statement. Your pretty set in it since you defended the possibility. If you don't believe me look it up and quit listening to dumb people who probably don't know one thing about healthcare. YOU CANT BE GAY IF YOU SCREW MONKEYS. That is something different. Don't back out of what you said. Don't act like you don't go to bed at night thinking that's what happened. I think you just proved that we defiantly need to educate kids like you about homosexuals.

[tsuki]

Dude I'm 23.

If you really want to debate this further make another thread and I'll be happy to join in it.

Otherwise shut up and get back on topic.

[boman265]

Nope I am not interested in you bringing be down to your own stupid level. If your telling the truth of your age then that is sad. Just send me a link to anywhere on the Internet from a reputable site that verifies your statement.
Here my links saying your ignorant.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_AIDS_really_start_because_a_guy_in_Africa_had_ sex_with_a_monkey
^Some one such as yourself asked a similar question.

[Danielle]

o.o Silly billy's. While the origin is much debated it is common belief that it was passed from chimp to human during hunting excursions. Blood from an infected ape, it is thought, could have gotten into an injury sustained by the bushmen. Many people in the Congo and Cameroon hunt bushmeat. >.>

[boman265]

^ Thank you.

[tsuki]

Nope I am not interested in you bringing be down to your own stupid level. If your telling the truth of your age then that is sad. Just send me a link to anywhere on the Internet from a reputable site that verifies your statement.
Here my links saying your ignorant.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_AIDS_really_start_because_a_guy_in_Africa_had_ sex_with_a_monkey
^Some one such as yourself asked a similar question.

It has been known for a long time that certain viruses can pass between species. Indeed, the very fact that chimpanzees obtained SIV from two other species of primate shows just how easily this crossover can occur. As animals ourselves, we are just as susceptible. When a viral transfer between animals and humans takes place, it is known as zoonosis.

Direct from you first site.

[boman265]

Yeah nothing about gays screwing monkeys. Nothing about it being transferred through species by sexual activity with humans. It originated from monkeys but not sexual contact with them OMG. Further reading or just common sense would show your opinion is wrong. Out of all those theories do you see anything about homosexuals screwing monkeys? Nope. Your wrong and now your broadcasting your ignorance to the world. Look at the person who posted above us and stop defending your WRONG assumption.

[tsuki]

Yeah nothing about gays screwing monkeys. It originated from them but not sexual contact with them OMG. Further reading or just common sense would show you that it is wrong. Out of all those theories do you see anything about homosexuals screwing monkeys? Nope. Your wrong and now your broadcasting your ignorance to the world. Look at the person who posted above us and stop defending your WRONG assumption.

Neither did it say that it wasn't a possibility.

Also from the sight:

It is likely that we will never know who the first person was to be infected with HIV, or exactly how it spread from that initial person.

Your ignorant if you claim it is not a possibility and yet you give me links to sites that post theories but provide no definite answer.

You even claimed it couldn't be transferred from monkeys to humans and yet you linked me to a site that specifically stated it could.

Like I said earlier, you have no idea what you are even reading.


Now get back on to the topic or get out of the thread.

[boman265]

Never said it could be spread through sexual contact between humans and monkeys. Just admit your wrong or show me the "Gay Monkey Screwer AID's Theory". What you said is NOT a common belief or a medicaly accepted one. Its relevant to the thread because its shows crude misconceptions about homosexuals and why it needs to be educated before kids turn 23 and are never wrong.

[tsuki]

Never said it could be spread through sexual contact between humans and monkeys. Just admit your wrong or show me the "Gay Monkey Screwer AID's Theory"

Never said it couldn't. Show me a sight that specifically says it can't. Or better yet, go screw a monkey with AIDS and then come back and tell me if you got infected.

[Ino's Girl]

Just get back on topic o.o

[boman265]

Never said it couldn't. Show me a sight that specifically says it can't. Or better yet, go screw a monkey with AIDS and then come back and tell me if you got infected.

No I give up. Your resorting to trash talk instead of trying to find a scientific theory to support your idea. In quantum mechanics its possible that I could wake up in a different dimension tomorrow but that doesn't mean I'm gonna count on it or take it into consideration when I plan my day. This is my last post in this thread because your obviously not ever gonna admit that your comment about "gays screwing monkeys" was crude and illogical considering a homosexual means attracted to same species same sex. Also that even if some "not really gay or straight" psyco screwed a monkey more then likely odds are like 99.99% that it wasn't transmitted in that manner. But hold on to that 0.01% because that's what your chances are in truly succeeding in life with a closed mind. My last post in this thread about that.

[Nick Tasogare]

OMG the whole point of an activist is to make sure they share the same rights. Black people weren't accepted as equals for a LONG time. We have them now because people think that in some cases they don't have equal rights. Look up the word activist. THEY are there to help gain rights. Why would they do that if they were so accepted? You seriously think gay people have always been treated equally? I'm pretty sure that whole law we're talking about is there because they feel they aren't. But your right Gays, blacks, and other minorities have always been accepted and never had to struggle for their rights. LOL

Wow. K, so you said that the reason we have gay activists is because gays are not yet accepted, and if they were there would be no need for activists and we wouldn't have them. Yet we have black rights and animal rights activists. So either you're saying animals and black people are not yet accepted or I'm completely missing what you're trying to say. O you're so far down your own throat that you're not getting what other people are saying at all, whic is what I think.

Your wrong if you think it has always been accepted. If its so accepted why can you only mention one philosopher and a slew of activists? We wouldn't need activists if it was accepted.

That's the bit I was replying to. I never said it's always been accepted, nor did I say that it black rights and animal rights have always been around without no work towards it, and I also never said that it isn't still being worked towards. Lrn2read.

Okay, then how did a disease that was only found in monkeys suddenly infect the human population?

FYI I have nothing against gays. I love lesbians very much, xP

It was absolutely, positively, without a doubt a homosexual person that had sexual intercourse with a monkey? There's no other possible explanation at all? Nothing? It couldn't have been a straight person? It couldn't have been something that had nothing to do with sex at all? No?

Anyways, I'm not sure if I said this in here or not, but w/e. There shouldn't be a law. That's kinda stupid in my opinion. History is history, it should be taught no matter what. There shouldn't be a law saying "Oh yea and you need to include notable homosexuals and the things they've done." It should all be taught. Make a side note of "Btdubs this guy or girl was gay" if you want, but a law? Lolwut?

[tsuki]

No I give up. Your resorting to trash talk instead of trying to find a scientific theory to support your idea. In quantum mechanics its possible that I could wake up in a different dimension tomorrow but that doesn't mean I'm gonna count on it or take it into consideration when I plan my day. This is my last post in this thread because your obviously not ever gonna admit that your comment about "gays screwing monkeys" was crude and illogical considering a homosexual means attracted to same species same sex. Also that even if some "not really gay or straight" psyco screwed a monkey more then likely odds are like 99.99% that it wasn't transmitted in that manner. But hold on to that 0.01% because that's what your chances are in truly succeeding in life with a closed mind. My last post in this thread.

Once again you showed your failure to read. I already stated I know what Bestiality is, and never said that homosexuality=bestiality. I simply stated that some guy (who happened to be a homosexual) screwed a monkey.
And now your just making up random statistics because you can't prove me wrong. Open your own mind to all the possibilities.

[tsuki]

It was absolutely, positively, without a doubt a homosexual person that had sexual intercourse with a monkey? There's no other possible explanation at all? Nothing? It couldn't have been a straight person? It couldn't have been something that had nothing to do with sex at all? No?

Never said there weren't other possibilities. Only asked for proof that it wasn't a possibility.

[boman265]

We have them now because people think that in some cases they don't have equal rights.-Boman265

So I guess I was saying they don't feel equal thus they feel like they're not accepted. Why don't you learn 2 read. I personally think they are but those groups don't feel equal to us. Which is why they have activists.

[Err]

Stay on topic guys.

[deidara330]

I have to agree with Err. The screwing of monkeys and all implications of such are not actually relevant to the topic of discussion at hand.

My first question is, what makes Gay History different from History? Unless there's some sort of Gay Alternate Timeline that I'm unaware of, there's no actual reason to seperate the history of people who are Gay and the history of the universe, because we all follow the same timeline.

[mrsticky005]

Today in Gay History class we will be learning about George Washington
who once said "I can never tell a lie." But his whole life was a lie! Little
did the Colonials know that George Washington and Benjamin Franklin...

WERE SECRET FORBIDDEN LOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next lesson. Honest Abe. Honest, eh? WASN'T TOO HONEST ABOUT BEING GAY!!


Student: This class doesn't seem to be very tolerant of homosexuality
It just seems to be about exposing historical figures as being gay.


Teacher: THE GAYS! THEY COULD BE ANYONE!!!!!! EVEN....


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[ItachiAnbu]

I'm against it. It's a stupid law. It's like requiring schools to teach the history of people who like the color green or people who wear glasses. Yes, gay people have made a difference but it doesnt matter if they like the same sex while doing it. The opposing argument-- to raise awareness of the gays-- is weak, at best. guess same should be considered for atheists or any kind of minority group. It's not important that they were/are gay, only their effects.

Why teach Black History either, then? We're talking about a group of people who have been abused by our country for generations, and are/were fighting for equal rights, right?

I encourage the decision to teach Gay History or a like subject in American schools.

However, I can also see your point of view, Err. I would also encourage a much broader subject, with "The History of Gays" as a single peice of the curriculum. Perhaps "Minority Studies" could be a single subject, which might encompass the history of gays, blacks, latinos, atheists, and other groups.

That's how I would do it. I would also mention in World History classes that the Greeks accepted sexual relations between men, though not necessarily between women. Many kids simply don't know this. My own World History teacher was well-rounded enough to bring up the subject and educate us on it, as it was/is relevant to both what we were learning and current events.

In conclusion, I believe it is important to raise awareness among young people of both the history and nature of gays, though I concede that California certainly could have gone about this in a better way. I hope they left enough to the schools that they might decide individually HOW to educate children on such a delicate topic.

The idea is a good one; the method could be better.

[jesse uzumaki]

I think they need at least 1 week of gay history i mean we have a 1 month to learn about black history and we also get 1 month of learning hispanic history and 1 month of asian history also. why not the gay communtiy?

they gay community is trying to get equal rights just like everyone else here in the US.

1.there trying to get all states to legalize gay marriage for both gay men and women.

2. there trying to legalize gay men and women to be accepted in openly in the military.

3. there trying to get equal military benefits just like everyone else who joins the military.

4. they don't want to be discriminated against anymore just like any other race.

people need to learn that being gay is not a bad thing at all.

are they forcing you to be gay no.

in school they always teach us about different subjects yet do we become like any of those subjects not at all.

they teach us about nazi and hitlser in world history do we become nazi after the subject ends nope not at all.

I see no problem with school trying to teach kids about gay history. it's just another subject in history.

california is doing this by trying to show people that whoever is gay there shouldn't be a problem whats so ever to be gay or lesbian. if you are that is.

[shippuden166]

i dont find anything wrong with it... it just depends on how you see it..