Sasuke Retrieval Squad vs. Taka

[Sasuke726]

Naruto, Shikamaru, Kiba/Akamaru, Choji, and Neji (with shippuden abilities)
vs
Sasuke, Suigetsu, Jugo, and Karin

10 minutes prep
Great Naruto Bridge

no SM and no EMS

Anime only.

[tsuki]

It would basically come down to Naruto vs. Sasuke.

[Uchiha Sora]

It feels like this is Sasuke Retrieval Squad Vs Sasuke... Karin can't do anything...Jugo and Suigetsu would be overwhelmed by them. The Squad has more people... And if they don't know about Shika's shadow possession jutsu, then if they get caught, Naruto can just rasengan them,Kiba can drill them, Neji can 64 Palm there butt, or Choji can get big and flatten them.

[Sasuke726]

i think Jugo culd take on choji and kiba with akamaru and still win
suigetsu culd hold off shikamaru and neji til jugo finished up and then they wuld tag team stomp shika and neji.

then naruto wuld take on sasuke and b at a draw until jugo or suigetsu finished up.

taka takes this due 2 suigetsu inability 2 get hurt and karins healing ability.

[Uchiha Sora]

i think Jugo culd take on choji and kiba with akamaru and still win
suigetsu culd hold off shikamaru and neji til jugo finished up and then they wuld tag team stomp shika and neji.

then naruto wuld take on sasuke and b at a draw until jugo or suigetsu finished up.

taka takes this due 2 suigetsu inability 2 get hurt and karins healing ability.

Meh, I forgot about Suigetsu's intangibility. I don't see how Jugo can take Kiba/Aka AND Choji.

Btw is this current state in the manga or anime?

I think Neji can take on Jugo by himself, due to great reactions,rotation,emitting chakra,360 degree vision... and blocking chakra points

[Sasuke726]

Meh, I forgot about Suigetsu's intangibility. I don't see how Jugo can take Kiba/Aka AND Choji.

Btw is this current state in the manga or anime?

I think Neji can take on Jugo by himself, due to great reactions,rotation,emitting chakra,360 degree vision... and blocking chakra points

anime.

[Uchiha Sora]

anime.

Ehhh, then Sasuke takes it with Susano'o/Tsukuyomi/Ammy

[Sasuke726]

So it just comes down 2 Sasuke bein able 2 take out every1?

[J-Sun Tasogare]

RM Blitz's pretty much, or he uses Bring Down the house on them.

[Uchiha Sora]

RM Blitz's pretty much, or he uses Bring Down the house on them.

There's no RM since the characters are at the most current point in the anime not manga, which is why Sasuke takes it with his MS jutsu. Unless Shika can get Sauce in a shadow possession jutsu before he tries anything. Or Shikamaru rigs the whole place with bombs.

Actually if he summoned gamabunta, things would be different, but the bridge would break, and then they'd be in the water below.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

There's no RM since the characters are at the most current point in the anime not manga, which is why Sasuke takes it with his MS jutsu
Umm no? Last time I checked it was shippuden in the manga too.

[megabbaut]

Ehhh, then Sasuke takes it with Susano'o/Tsukuyomi/Ammy
And becomes blind.
Susanoo is a horrible in this fight. It would make Sasuke a sitting duck for shadow possession.

[Uchiha Sora]

Umm no? Last time I checked it was shippuden in the manga too. say wha? Well the owner said it was the anime not the manga.

And becomes blind.

But he spammed them all before and he didn't start going blind till his third fight of spamming :O

[megabbaut]

Post edited, Uchiha_Sora.

[The 1st Hokage]

anime.
Huh? You said with Shippuden feats. Anything after the time skip is considered Shippuden, meaning the manga is Shippuden too. If you want it anime only, specifiy it in the OP or people are gonna get realy confused.

[Uchiha Sora]

And becomes blind.
Susanoo is a horrible in this fight. It would make Sasuke a sitting duck for shadow possession.

but what happens after he's in it? Susano'o protects him :/ And he should still be able to use Tsukuyomi,ammy, and Susano'o Arrows, since it doesn't require moving

[J-Sun Tasogare]

say wha? Well the owner said it was the anime not the manga.



But he spammed them all before and he didn't start going blind till his third fight of spamming :O
Last time I checked Sasuke doesn't have EMS in the anime so why restrict it?

[Uchiha Sora]

Last time I checked Sasuke doesn't have EMS in the anime so why restrict it?

.........well he just did the transplant <.< but we haven't seen him say that Itachi's power is flowing through him

[megabbaut]

The OP said no EMS.

but what happens after he's in it? Susano'o protects him :/ And he should still be able to use Tsukuyomi,ammy, and Susano'o Arrows, since it doesn't require moving
Doesn't protect him from Shadow Possession. And Naruto will distract Sasuke if he uses any of that

[The 1st Hokage]

Susano'o does get rid of Sasuke's Shadow does it? Then it isn't immune to any sort of Shadow Possesion.

[megabbaut]

Susano'o does get rid of Sasuke's Shadow does it? Then it isn't immune to any sort of Shadow Possesion.
I don't recall that at all.

[Uchiha Sora]

The OP said no EMS.


Doesn't protect him from Shadow Possession. And Naruto will distract Sasuke if he uses any of thatI know thers no EMS., I was responding to Jason.

Well if he's already in Susano'o mode then what will distracting do? He can still use Ammy,Tsukky, and fire arrows even if he gets hit with shadow possession

Susano'o does get rid of Sasuke's Shadow does it? Then it isn't immune to any sort of Shadow Possesion.
I never said it was

[megabbaut]

Well if he's already in Susano'o mode then what will distracting do?
Sasuke won't pay any attention to Shikamaru's Shadow Possession. He'll be busy with Naruto. Then before he know it he won't be able to move.

[Sasuke726]

Sasuke already knows of Shikamarus abilities though and wuld warn Taka during the prep time more than likely so..... that ends the shadow possession surprise debate. hahaha...

[The 1st Hokage]

I don't recall that at all.Oops, that was suppsoed to be "doesn't". Typo. My bad.

I know thers no EMS., I was responding to Jason.

Well if he's already in Susano'o mode then what will distracting do? He can still use Ammy,Tsukky, and fire arrows even if he gets hit with shadow possession


I never said it wasJust sayin'.

Sasuke already knows of Shikamarus abilities though and wuld warn Taka during the prep time more than likely so..... that ends the shadow possession surprise debate. hahaha...
Hahaha... No it doesn't. The fact is that Shikamaru goes after the strongest member of Team Taka, AKA Sasuke, who's speed is greatly reduced by Susano'o. Sasuke has his shadow possessed and spends his time fighting for control while Jugo and Suigetsu are overwhelmed by SR Squad and get killed along with Karin. Sasuke then get's ganged up on. Sasuke's tired from fighting for possession of his body and doesn't have the power to uphold Susano'o and is killed. That's how I see this battle happening.

[Vivi]

Just like to point out Shadow Posession against Sasuke is useless.

Tayuya who was most likely the physically weakest of the Sound 4 got out by brute Force.

There is no doubt Susanoo's Raw Power kicks outta it fast when it effortlessly crushes Humans with one Hand.

[The 1st Hokage]

Just like to point out Shadow Posession against Sasuke is useless.

Tayuya who was most likely the physically weakest of the Sound 4 got out by brute Force.

There is no doubt Susanoo's Raw Power kicks outta it fast when it effortlessly crushes Humans with one Hand.
I could go on a rant on how much stronger and smarter Shikamaru's gotten, but there's no point. But the 5 to 10 seconds Sasuke uses getting out of it, Sasuke is for the most part, vulnerable.

[Vivi]

I could go on a rant on how much stronger and smarter Shikamaru's gotten,
but there's no point. But the 5 to 10 seconds Sasuke uses getting out of it, Sasuke is for the most part, vulnerable.

5-10 seconds?
Now that is baseless.

I want you to show me that Shikamaru's Shadow Posession has gotten so strong that he can stall Susanoo's Monstrous Physical Power to crush a Person with one hand in it's Skeleton Form even for a second.

[kaito uzumaki]

if i had to say...while everyone was fighting naruto and sasuke would clash with chidori and rasengan(much like in that one episode in shippuden) and blow up the bridge everyone gets knocked out and then........you continue.

[king kakashi]

team taka wins
jugo is stronger and faster than choji and kiba so he'll crush them. then sasuke and suigetsu stomp naruto, neji, and shikamaru
mostly because shikamaru can't hold sasuke with shadow posession jutsu thanks to susanoo and even if he could that dosn't stop sasuke's eyes from moving and thats all he needs to spam amatsuro all over shikamaru and release himself
not to mention the entire battle is bieng held over a huge water source so suigetsu has a big advantage over neji
as far as naruto vs sasuke goes with only anime powers sasuke destroys naruto

[The 1st Hokage]

5-10 seconds?
Now that is baseless.

I want you to show me that Shikamaru's Shadow Posession has gotten so strong that he can stall Susanoo's Monstrous Physical Power to crush a Person with one hand in it's Skeleton Form even for a second.
And could you explain how Susano'o has anything to do with Sasuke's shadow? If anything, Sasuke is weaker and has less energy while using Susano'o because of how much it drains him.

Now as you said, Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>> Tayuya, and her holding off shadow strangle shows how unimpressive the shadows really are, but sasuke noticing the moment he is possessed and instantly powering out of it is unlikely when he's attacking, and being attacked by, the other team's members. Now I won't deny that the 5-10 seconds thing wasn't a baseless assumption, because it was, but with the logic I used, I considered it more of an educated.

[king kakashi]

And could you explain how Susano'o has anything to do with Sasuke's shadow? If anything, Sasuke is weaker and has less energy while using Susano'o because of how much it drains him.

Now as you said, Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>> Tayuya, and her holding off shadow strangle shows how unimpressive the shadows really are, but sasuke noticing the moment he is possessed and instantly powering out of it is unlikely when he's attacking, and being attacked by, the other team's members. Now I won't deny that the 5-10 seconds thing wasn't a baseless assumption, because it was, but with the logic I used, I considered it more of an educated.
while sasuke and shikamaru are face to face thanks to shadow possesion jutsu sasuke can use tskumiyomi or amaterasu and he can still control susanoo

[Kuromaki]

Even if Shikamaru Shadow Possesses Sasuke, there isn't anything stopping him from killing them all with susanoo arrows.

[iDooom]

I'll assume the OP meant no MS.
Sugeitsu blitzes and soloes the retrieval team.
Naruto sucks without SM or RM, the only way he could possibly not be blitzed is to go KN4, KN6, or KN8 but he can't because of sharingan.
Neji has no reaction feats so he is blitzed.
Kiba also, Choji also, and Shikamaru. And no, Shikamaru dies before he even registers the thought to attempt shadow possession. Karin, Sasuke, and Jugo are overkill.

[Vivi]

And could you explain how Susano'o has anything to do with Sasuke's shadow? If anything, Sasuke is weaker and has less energy while using Susano'o because of how much it drains him.

Now as you said, Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>> Tayuya, and her holding off shadow strangle shows how unimpressive the shadows really are,

but sasuke noticing the moment he is possessed and instantly powering out of it is unlikely when he's attacking,

and being attacked by, the other team's members.

Now I won't deny that the 5-10 seconds thing wasn't a baseless assumption, because it was, but with the logic I used, I considered it more of an educated.

Because Susanoo has a Shadow as well.
479 you can see it when Susanoo is digging its hand into the Ground.
Sasuke's shadow is part of Susanoo's one.

Glad you agree.

No it's not.

Who can't do anything to him.

Educated is nonsense here and doesn't apply either.
5-10 seconds is rediculous unless one claims Sasuke is stupid.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Susano'o Arrows, GG. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

[Uchiha Sora]

5-10 seconds is rediculous unless one claims Sasuke is stupid.
Why does everyone spell ridiculous wrong...? LOL

[Sasuke726]

Why does everyone spell ridiculous wrong...? LOL

i noticed that 2. kinda sad.

[megabbaut]

Because Susanoo has a Shadow as well.
479 you can see it when Susanoo is digging its hand into the Ground.
Sasuke's shadow is part of Susanoo's one.
Then Shikamaru would possess Susanoo as well. And from there he would attack Suigetsu, Jugo, and Karin with arrows.

[Vivi]

Then Shikamaru would possess Susanoo as well. And from there he would attack Suigetsu, Jugo, and Karin with arrows.

Shikamaru couldn't even handle Tayuya with it so there is no way he can control Susanoo who's Power is miles above that.

Why does everyone spell ridiculous wrong...? LOL

I took it from the linguee translator.

[megabbaut]

Shikamaru couldn't even handle Tayuya with it so there is no way he can control Susanoo who's Power is miles above that.
Tayuya was in CS2, and if anything Susanoo would increase the effectiveness of Shadow Possession, since Sasuke's body would be strained and it consumes a large amount of his chakra. Sasuke described it as feeling pain in every cell in his body which only grew from prolonged use. Chapter 466 page 5.

[Kuromaki]

Tayuya was in CS2, and if anything Susanoo would increase the effectiveness of Shadow Possession, since Sasuke's body would be strained and it consumes a large amount of his chakra. Sasuke described it as feeling pain in every cell in his body which only grew from prolonged use. Chapter 466 page 5.
Susanoo is still far stronger than Tayuya.

Even if Sasuke gets caught with Shadow Possession I don't see how that stops him from shooting arrows at them in any way.

[megabbaut]

Susanoo is still far stronger than Tayuya.
We don't know how strong CS2 Tayuya was.

Even if Sasuke gets caught with Shadow Possession I don't see how that stops him from shooting arrows at them in any way.
He'll also control the Susanoo and shoot arrows at Taka.

[Kuromaki]

We don't know how strong CS2 Tayuya was.


He'll also control the Susanoo and shoot arrows at Taka.
CS2 gives a strength boost, but not to the point that it makes her stronger than Susanoo. She wasn't really known for her physical strength anyway. Partial Susanoo could crush a person (Danzo) with one hand, and little effort.

Sasukes movements don't control Susanoo. Ch.476 page 7 for example.

[The 1st Hokage]

Because Susanoo has a Shadow as well.
479 you can see it when Susanoo is digging its hand into the Ground.
Sasuke's shadow is part of Susanoo's one.

Glad you agree.

No it's not.

Who can't do anything to him.

Educated is nonsense here and doesn't apply either.
5-10 seconds is rediculous unless one claims Sasuke is stupid.
I see. I wasn't aware.

I thought about it. Sasuke would probably notice the moment he couldn't move and would be all like, "Goddammit Shikamaru!" power out and impales Shika with an arrow.

Does Naruto have RS mode in this fight. If so, he might could do something.

[Uchiha Sora]

Does Naruto have RS mode in this fight. If so, he might could do something.

if he did, he would grab everyone, and drill them all into a huge a$$ rasengan. <.<

And no, OP says current state in anime only

[megabbaut]

CS2 gives a strength boost, but not to the point that it makes her stronger than Susanoo. She wasn't really known for her physical strength anyway. Partial Susanoo could crush a person (Danzo) with one hand, and little effort.We don't know that. All we saw for Tayuya's CS2 strength was that it was enough to fight Shadow Possession. Susanoo during Shadow Possession will just give Sasuke a fatal heart attack.

Sasukes movements don't control Susanoo. Ch.476 page 7 for example.
Never said they do.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Then Shikamaru would possess Susanoo as well. And from there he would attack Suigetsu, Jugo, and Karin with arrows.

How does someone possess someone that they can't keep up with. If Susano'o moves with Sasuke, and Sasuke is supersonic, how does Shikamaru keep up with him, even though he's displayed no real speed feats that prove him fast enough to even connect a punch?

[megabbaut]

How does someone possess someone that they can't keep up with. If Susano'o moves with Sasuke, and Sasuke is supersonic, how does Shikamaru keep up with him, even though he's displayed no real speed feats that prove him fast enough to even connect a punch?
Proof that Sasuke is supersonic? Even if he is, Sasuke is not even that fast while in Susanoo. And Shikamaru blitzed Hidan.

[Kuromaki]

We don't know that. All we saw for Tayuya's CS2 strength was that it was enough to fight Shadow Possession. Susanoo during Shadow Possession will just give Sasuke a fatal heart attack.


Never said they do.
That doesn't mean Tayuya is uber strong and can bring down stone pillars and crush people casually.

In other words, Susanoo impales Shikamaru.
Proof that Sasuke is supersonic? Even if he is, Sasuke is not even that fast while in Susanoo. And Shikamaru blitzed Hidan.
Shikamaru never "blitzed" Hidan afaik, he just caught the dude off guard. Hidan isn't the fastest Akatsuki either.

Susanoo's speed makes up for Sasuke's inability to move very fast while in it.

[megabbaut]

That doesn't mean Tayuya is uber strong and can bring down stone pillars and crush people casually.
We don't know that. Anyway, Susanoo will just give Sasuke a fatal heart attack if he tries to fight Shadow Possession.

In other words, Susanoo impales Shikamaru.
SM Naruto can grab any arrows Sasuke shoots you know.

And Shikamaru can use the arrow's shadow to get to Susanoo's.

[Kuromaki]

Again, we don't know that. In fact, we don't know anything about it.


SM Naruto can grab any arrows Sasuke shoots you know.

And Shikamaru can use the arrow's shadow to get to Susanoo's.
You can't just assume that Tayuya is instantly as strong as Susanoo because she broke out of Shadow Possession. There's no hype, no feats, nothing to back that up. The fact is, Susanoo has been shown to be stronger than her.

Sasuke can spam them. He can shoot at least 2 at a time, against Kakashi.

how exactly does he do that against something as fast and as powerful as that arrow? It's more likely that he'd die before he can take control.

Not only that, but Suigetsu and CS2 Jugo are quite a handful, and as long as Karin stays back near Sasuke she'll be able to heal them.

Edit: sasuke could power out of Danzo's seal thing, no heart attack there

[megabbaut]

You can't just assume that Tayuya is instantly as strong as Susanoo because she broke out of Shadow Possession. There's no hype, no feats, nothing to back that up. The fact is, Susanoo has been shown to be stronger than her.You can't just assume that CS2 Tayuya is not as strong as Susanoo either. We know absolutely nothing about Tayuya, so let's not make assumptions about her CS2 strength. Nuff said.

Sasuke can spam them. He can shoot at least 2 at a time, against Kakashi.
Naruto's shadow clone(s) can grab the arrows if there's any more, and throw it back at Sasuke. And Shikamaru's Shadow Possession can collide with the countered arrow's shadow, taking it to Susanoo.

how exactly does he do that against something as fast and as powerful as that arrow? It's more likely that he'd die before he can take control.
Above.

Not only that, but Suigetsu and CS2 Jugo are quite a handful, and as long as Karin stays back near Sasuke she'll be able to heal them.
Choji, Kiba and Neji would be quite a handful as well. Choji just needs to eat the green pill, then he would end Jugo quite easily. Any more pills would be overkill. And Kiba and Neji can handle Suigetsu quite fine. Not only that, but Karin healing them is assuming that the other team just stands there doing nothing.

Edit: sasuke could power out of Danzo's seal thing, no heart attack there Because Sasuke already got a heart attack back at the Kage Summit. Karin healed him after, and when he started fighting Danzo, Sasuke didn't use Susanoo very much until the PnJ where Danzo started talking about Itachi and made Sasuke complete his Susanoo.

[Kuromaki]

You can't just assume that CS2 Tayuya is not as strong as Susanoo either. We know absolutely nothing about Tayuya, so let's not make assumptions about her CS2 strength. Nuff said.

That's like saying Sakura can shoot rainbow unicorns out of her eyes because even though she hasn't shown the ability to do so, we can't assume she can't, either. No. We go by what they've shown, and Tayuya hasn't shown anything close to the strength of Susanoo. She was killed by a tree falling on her :/
Naruto's shadow clone(s) can grab the arrows if there's any more, and throw it back at Sasuke. And Shikamaru's Shadow Possession can collide with the countered arrow's shadow, taking it to Susanoo.Naruto would be able to do that in Sage Mode. Not in base form where he probably won't even be able to react to Susanoo. Just remembered that Sage Mode is banned, read the first post.

Shikamaru likely won't be able to react to it either. Both Danzo and Kakashi barely avoided getting hit by the arrows, and they've shown better reactions.
Choji, Kiba and Neji would be quite a handful as well. Choji just needs to eat the green pill, then he would end Jugo quite easily. Any more pills would be overkill. And Kiba and Neji can handle Suigetsu quite fine. Not only that, but Karin healing them is assuming that the other team just stands there doing nothing.Jugo Laser Cannons ftw. He could probably blitz some of them with CS2.

Suigetsu turns to water, making their attacks useless. Chakra block won't work on water,neither will Gatsuuga.

True, which is why she better stay near Sasuke and Susanoo.
Because Sasuke already got a heart attack back at the Kage Summit.
I don't know what you're talking about.

[iDooom]

Naruto, Shikamaru, Kiba/Akamaru, Choji, and Neji (with shippuden abilities)
vs
Sasuke, Suigetsu, Jugo, and Karin

10 minutes prep

10 minutes.
Great Naruto Bridge

no SM and no EMS

Anime only.
10 minutes prep. Kirin. No need for more explaining.

[king kakashi]

sasuke could solo this susanoo amaterasu kirin tskumiyomi chidori(all forms) the list goes on and on

[megabbaut]

That's like saying Sakura can shoot rainbow unicorns out of her eyes because even though she hasn't shown the ability to do so, we can't assume she can't, either. No. We go by what they've shown, and Tayuya hasn't shown anything close to the strength of Susanoo. She was killed by a tree falling on her :/
Wait, what?
Sakura has never shown to ''be able to shoot rainbow unicorns out of her eyes,'' unlike Tayuya who has shown strong superhuman strength in CS2 to fight Shadow Possession. However, the true extent of this strength was not shown , so we don't know if it surpasses Susanoo or not. That comparison you made was completely flawed.

Naruto would be able to do that in Sage Mode. Not in base form where he probably won't even be able to react to Susanoo. Just remembered that Sage Mode is banned, read the first post.

Shikamaru likely won't be able to react to it either. Both Danzo and Kakashi barely avoided getting hit by the arrows, and they've shown better reactions.
If you're going by the OP now, then Sasuke would miss the arrow due to blindness. (EMS is banned as well)

Jugo Laser Cannons ftw. He could probably blitz some of them with CS2.

Suigetsu turns to water, making their attacks useless. Chakra block won't work on water,neither will Gatsuuga.

True, which is why she better stay near Sasuke and Susanoo.
Choji pills ftw. He'll eat 1-2 of them and crush Jugo, and with the last one he would break Susanoo, leaving an opening for Fang over Fang, Shadow Possession, or a Giant Rasengan.

I don't know what you're talking about.
Chapter 466 page 5.

[The 1st Hokage]

Wait, what?
Sakura has never shown to ''be able to shoot rainbow unicorns out of her eyes,'' unlike Tayuya who has shown strong superhuman strength in CS2 to fight Shadow Possession. However, the true extent of this strength was not shown , so we don't know if it surpasses Susanoo or not. That comparison you made was completely flawed.

No, it was rather accurate. You're saying because we didn't see the "full extent" so we can't assume she isn't as strong as Susano'o. That's like saying we haven't seen someone use a jutsu, but can't assume they haven't got it just because we haven't seen them use it. It's a simply ridiculous claim. How do you know we didn't see the full expect of Tayuya's strength? You don't.


If you're going by the OP now, then Sasuke would miss the arrow due to blindness. (EMS is banned as well)

And Sasuke can't just spam the arrows until he hits why?

Choji pills ftw. He'll eat 1-2 of them and crush Jugo, and with the last one he would break Susanoo, leaving an opening for Fang over Fang, Shadow Possession, or a Giant Rasengan.

Jugo won't give Choji that chance, and Choji with the pills barely beat Jirobo.

Jugo >>>>>>> Jirobo by leagues


Chapter 466 page 5.
5char

[megabbaut]

No, it was rather accurate. You're saying because we didn't see the "full extent" so we can't assume she isn't as strong as Susano'o. That's like saying we haven't seen someone use a jutsu, but can't assume they haven't got it just because we haven't seen them use it. It's a simply ridiculous claim. How do you know we didn't see the full expect of Tayuya's strength? You don't.
All we saw for Tayuya's CS2 strength was that it was enough to fight Shadow Possession. We can't say it's stronger than Susanoo, but we can't say it's weaker than Susanoo either. We don't know ANYTHING.

And Sasuke can't just spam the arrows until he hits why?
Because Neji can divert them if they do hit, like he did to Kidomaru's arrow.

Jugo won't give Choji that chance, and Choji with the pills barely beat Jirobo.

Jugo >>>>>>> Jirobo by leagues
They have 10 minutes of prep.
During that Prep Choji eats his pills.
Choji with the green pill gave Jirobo trouble.
Choji with the yellow pill gave CS1 Jirobo trouble.
Choji with the red pill gave CS2 Jirobo trouble.

Jugo>Jirobo is pure assumption. Jirobo was able to lift Choji when he was expansion sized, which is far cry compared to anything Jugo has shown.

[The 1st Hokage]

All we saw for Tayuya's CS2 strength was that it was enough to fight Shadow Possession. We can't say it's stronger than Susanoo, but we can't say it's weaker than Susanoo either. We don't know ANYTHING.

Well since we know she isn't gonna show anymore feats, we can assume that's all she could do.

Because Neji can divert them if they do hit, like he did to Kidomaru's arrow.

The difference in power between Susano'o arrows and Kido's arrows is ridiculous. I doubt Neji could react to the Susano'o arrows, and if he could, He'd get blind sided by Jugo's Laser Cannon

They have 10 minutes of prep.
During that Prep Choji eats his pills.
Choji with the green pill gave Jirobo trouble.
Choji with the yellow pill gave CS1 Jirobo trouble.
Choji with the red pill gave CS2 Jirobo trouble.

In those 10 minutes, Sasuke preps Kirin. That's really the only arguement necessary, but that's no fun. :roll:

Jugo>Jirobo is pure assumption. Jirobo was able to lift Choji when he was expansion sized, which is far cry compared to anything Jugo has shown.
5char

[iDooom]

All we saw for Tayuya's CS2 strength was that it was enough to fight Shadow Possession. We can't say it's stronger than Susanoo, but we can't say it's weaker than Susanoo either. We don't know ANYTHING.

It is weaker till you prove its equal or stronger. Thats how debate works.

Because Neji can divert them if they do hit, like he did to Kidomaru's arrow.

Neji gets blitzed.

They have 10 minutes of prep.
During that Prep Choji eats his pills.
Choji with the green pill gave Jirobo trouble.
Choji with the yellow pill gave CS1 Jirobo trouble.
Choji with the red pill gave CS2 Jirobo trouble.

Jugo>Jirobo is pure assumption. Jirobo was able to lift Choji when he was expansion sized, which is far cry compared to anything Jugo has shown.
Strength? Jugo got pwned by bee and a, but he still showed much better speed feats than even butterfly choji, who hasn't shown any strength feats capable of breaking susanoo. Besides, kirin, gg.

[megabbaut]

Well since we know she isn't gonna show anymore feats, we can assume that's all she could do.
We don't even know if Tayuya is going to return along with the entire sound four Edo tensei'd.

The difference in power between Susano'o arrows and Kido's arrows is ridiculous. I doubt Neji could react to the Susano'o arrows, and if he could, He'd get blind sided by Jugo's Laser Cannon
How is the difference ridiculous? The arrow shot through trees and made shockwaves. The only way I see Neji failing to react to the Susanoo arrow is if it manages to get into Neji's blind spot, but even then, Sasuke doesn't even have knowledge of it. By exerting a tremendous amount of chakra in his general area, Neji can divert the arrow's trajectory, and combined with his reflexes, effectively evade the arrow itself. As for attacking it, I don't see Neji producing anything that could completely piece it and hurt Sasuke. What I think is more likely, is that Neji will spend more time evading the arrows, and waiting for Sasuke to tire out. Lets not forget that there was one thing that really powered Susanoo. Sasuke's hatred. That factor is not present in this battle. Each time Sasuke went into his emo rages, his Susanoo got stronger and stronger, and it allowed him to forcefully maintain it. We cannot assume that this Susanoo will be quite as powerful as the one we saw with Danzo. Danzo was one of the people he sought out to get revenge on, and Sasuke was basically a whack-job at that point lmao. This Sasuke is facing a group of opponents who he has no personal grudges with, and is not consumed by his rage and hatred. I believe this will certainly weaken the strength of his Susanoo. And Jugo would be busy with Choji.

In those 10 minutes, Sasuke preps Kirin. That's really the only arguement necessary, but that's no fun.
The weather would have to be in his favor. Remember that Sasuke can't just use Kirin whenever he wants.

[iDooom]

We don't even know if Tayuya is going to return along with the entire sound four Edo tensei'd.

The sound 4 is weak as hell, but since he summoned zabuza and haku, its possible.

How is the difference ridiculous? The arrow shot through trees and made shockwaves. The only way I see Neji failing to react to the Susanoo arrow is if it manages to get into Neji's blind spot, but even then, Sasuke doesn't even have knowledge of it. By exerting a tremendous amount of chakra in his general area, Neji can divert the arrow's trajectory, and combined with his reflexes, effectively evade the arrow itself. As for attacking it, I don't see Neji producing anything that could completely piece it and hurt Sasuke. What I think is more likely, is that Neji will spend more time evading the arrows, and waiting for Sasuke to tire out. Lets not forget that there was one thing that really powered Susanoo. Sasuke's hatred. That factor is not present in this battle. Each time Sasuke went into his emo rages, his Susanoo got stronger and stronger, and it allowed him to forcefully maintain it. We cannot assume that this Susanoo will be quite as powerful as the one we saw with Danzo. Danzo was one of the people he sought out to get revenge on, and Sasuke was basically a whack-job at that point lmao. This Sasuke is facing a group of opponents who he has no personal grudges with, and is not consumed by his rage and hatred. I believe this will certainly weaken the strength of his Susanoo. And Jugo would be busy with Choji.

Lets be serious here, Kakashi with sharingan was unable to evade it.

The weather would have to be in his favor. Remember that Sasuke can't just use Kirin whenever he wants.
Stop outright lying. He can use whenever by PREPPING it.

[The 1st Hokage]

We don't even know if Tayuya is going to return along with the entire sound four Edo tensei'd.

Edo Tensei feats don't count I don't think, and even if it does, what does this have to do with the debate. We've been talking about Tayuya's strength, but for what?

How is the difference ridiculous? The arrow shot through trees and made shockwaves. The only way I see Neji failing to react to the Susanoo arrow is if it manages to get into Neji's blind spot, but even then, Sasuke doesn't even have knowledge of it. By exerting a tremendous amount of chakra in his general area, Neji can divert the arrow's trajectory, and combined with his reflexes, effectively evade the arrow itself. As for attacking it, I don't see Neji producing anything that could completely piece it and hurt Sasuke. What I think is more likely, is that Neji will spend more time evading the arrows, and waiting for Sasuke to tire out. Lets not forget that there was one thing that really powered Susanoo. Sasuke's hatred. That factor is not present in this battle. Each time Sasuke went into his emo rages, his Susanoo got stronger and stronger, and it allowed him to forcefully maintain it. We cannot assume that this Susanoo will be quite as powerful as the one we saw with Danzo. Danzo was one of the people he sought out to get revenge on, and Sasuke was basically a whack-job at that point lmao. This Sasuke is facing a group of opponents who he has no personal grudges with, and is not consumed by his rage and hatred. I believe this will certainly weaken the strength of his Susanoo. And Jugo would be busy with Choji.

Even if Susano'o is weakened, What does the SRS have that can break it? Naruto doesn't have FRS because he doesn't have SM, Shikamaru can't do crap, Choji is busy with Jugo, and Neji can't do crap. And don't forget Suigetsu. He's no pushover either.

The weather would have to be in his favor. Remember that Sasuke can't just use Kirin whenever he wants.5char

[megabbaut]

Edo Tensei feats don't count I don't think, and even if it does, what does this have to do with the debate. We've been talking about Tayuya's strength, but for what?
You said Tayuya won't show any more feats.

Even if Susano'o is weakened, What does the SRS have that can break it? Naruto doesn't have FRS because he doesn't have SM, Shikamaru can't do crap, Choji is busy with Jugo, and Neji can't do crap. And don't forget Suigetsu. He's no pushover either.
They'll simply wait for Sasuke to get a heart attack from Susanoo, or at least until he goes blind. Remember he doesn't have EMS either. Kiba and Neji can take care of Suigetsu. They aren't pushovers either.

[Sasuke726]

this thread keeps comin back daily.

[Kuromaki]

Megabbaut, we can't assume that Tayuya has any more strength than she has shown or else you're just making stuff up. My comparison was accurate considering that we can't make up abilities for characters we haven't seen them use. Same thing with Tayuyas strength. And remember, if she got killed by a frickin tree then she obviously isn't that tough.

That wasn't a heart attack either. Susanoo puts strain on Sauce's body but so far it hasn't been enough to give him a heart attack. The rest has been countered.

[megabbaut]

Megabbaut, we can't assume that Tayuya has any more strength than she has shown or else you're just making stuff up. My comparison was accurate considering that we can't make up abilities for characters we haven't seen them use. Same thing with Tayuyas strength. And remember, if she got killed by a frickin tree then she obviously isn't that tough.
Wait what?
Your comparison is completely inaccurate. An ability that has never been shown and an ability that has been shown, but we don't know the full extent of are two completely different things. A better comparison would be chapter 444 page 4. Nagato thought that he would be able to control Naruto with his own chakra, but Naruto revealed a fusion of his initial jinchūriki form and Sage Mode characteristics. The exact capabilities of this form are unknown, but it was enough to completely resist Nagato's control at close distance. Same with Tayuya's strength. The exact capabilities of her strength is unknown, but it was enough to completely resist Shadow Possession. And Susanoo got crushed too. Well almost did anyways. It was at the beginning of chapter 464.

That wasn't a heart attack either. Susanoo puts strain on Sauce's body but so far it hasn't been enough to give him a heart attack. The rest has been countered.
That's what I mean.

[Kuromaki]

Wait what?
Your comparison is completely inaccurate. An ability that has never been shown and an ability that has been shown, but we don't know the full extent of are two completely different things. A better comparison would be chapter 444 page 4. Nagato thought that he would be able to control Naruto with his own chakra, but Naruto revealed a fusion of his initial jinchūriki form and Sage Mode characteristics. The exact capabilities of this form are unknown, but it was enough to completely resist Nagato's control at close distance. Same with Tayuya's strength. The exact capabilities of her strength is unknown, but it was enough to completely resist Shadow Possession. And Susanoo got crushed too. Well almost did anyways. It was at the beginning of chapter 464.


That's what I mean.
Essentially, strength that has never been shown is the same thing. We can't assume that Tayuya is stronger than Susanoo because she hasn't shown any strength other than struggling out of Part 1 Shikamaru's Shadow Possession. Her best strength feat is the Shadow Possession one and that's it, it doesn't mean that she's all of a sudden stronger than Susanoo which knocked away stone pillars and crushed people with ease. That comparison you used was totally different from physical strength, so it makes even less sense.

That was an incomplete ribcage Susanoo, and if you're really going to compare the Raikage to a tree, I don't know what to say.

[megabbaut]

Essentially, strength that has never been shown is the same thing. We can't assume that Tayuya is stronger than Susanoo because she hasn't shown any strength other than struggling out of Part 1 Shikamaru's Shadow Possession. Her best strength feat is the Shadow Possession one and that's it, it doesn't mean that she's all of a sudden stronger than Susanoo which knocked away stone pillars and crushed people with ease. That comparison you used was totally different from physical strength, so it makes even less sense.
It's more similar to the Shadow Possession situation with Tayuya than your comparison. You know that comparison you used was different from physical strength as well. And we can't assume that it's weaker than Susanoo either. But this argument will probably loop, so I'm just gonna say that Sasuke would pass out from strain on his body from Susanoo, and blindness if he tries to fight Shadow Possession.

That was an incomplete ribcage Susanoo, and if you're really going to compare the Raikage to a tree, I don't know what to say.

Lets not forget that there was one thing that really powered Susanoo. Sasuke's hatred. That factor is not present in this battle. Each time Sasuke went into his emo rages, his Susanoo got stronger and stronger, and it allowed him to forcefully maintain it. We cannot assume that this Susanoo will be quite as powerful as the one we saw with Danzo. Danzo was one of the people he sought out to get revenge on, and Sasuke was basically a whack-job at that point lmao. This Sasuke is facing a group of opponents who he has no personal grudges with, and is not consumed by his rage and hatred. I believe this will certainly weaken the strength of his Susanoo.
Above.
And Tayuya wasn't crushed by just a tree. It was like the entire forest collapsed on her.

[Kuromaki]

It's more similar to the Shadow Possession situation with Tayuya than your comparison. You know that comparison you used was different from physical strength as well. And we can't assume that it's weaker than Susanoo either. But this argument will probably loop, so I'm just gonna say that Sasuke would pass out from strain on his body from Susanoo, and blindness if he tries to fight Shadow Possession.




Above.
And Tayuya wasn't crushed by just a tree. It was like the entire forest collapsed on her.
The fact that you're assuming Tayuya could be stronger than Susanoo without her showing even the slightest hint of being stronger is just like me assuming that Sakura could shoot rainbow unicorns out of her eyes without showing any evidence that she could do such a thing. We're like, doing the same thing. And for the record, I just went back and the only reason Tayuya was let go in the first place was because Shikamaru was having chakra problems and couldn't think of a plan.

I still don't see how Sasuke being Shadow Possessed will stop Susanoo from being able to move. Technically he has grudges with Naruto but there's no reason to assume that Susanoo can't still take on its armored form. His hatred just helped it reach that state.

Oh, indeed. Two trees fell on her and she's now stronger than Susanoo. Anyway, it doesn't matter because we can't assume that she's any stronger than what she's proven herself to be.

[The 1st Hokage]

Wait, aren't characters in full health by default? No sickness, illness, handicap of any kind?

[Vivi]

The weather would have to be in his favor. Remember that Sasuke can't just use Kirin whenever he wants.

Actually that point is quite arguable as he wanted to use it in 309 when fighting Yamato's Team yet the Sky is quite clear with few Clouds covering it.

[Inuyasha]

Doesn't the attack cause the clouds from atmospheric disturbance regardless xD

[megabbaut]

The fact that you're assuming Tayuya could be stronger than Susanoo without her showing even the slightest hint of being stronger is just like me assuming that Sakura could shoot rainbow unicorns out of her eyes without showing any evidence that she could do such a thing. We're like, doing the same thing. And for the record, I just went back and the only reason Tayuya was let go in the first place was because Shikamaru was having chakra problems and couldn't think of a plan.I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying we can't compare Tayuya's strength to Susanoo, since we don't know about it.

I still don't see how Sasuke being Shadow Possessed will stop Susanoo from being able to move. Technically he has grudges with Naruto but there's no reason to assume that Susanoo can't still take on its armored form. His hatred just helped it reach that state.
Because Shikamaru would also control the Susanoo, since Susanoo also has a shadow. Sasuke doesn't really care about Naruto, he just thinks of him as a nuisance. And we know absolutely nothing about Sasuke's version of Susanoo's armored form. And hatred is what made Sasuke even maintain it.

Actually that point is quite arguable as he wanted to use it in 309 when fighting Yamato's Team yet the Sky is quite clear with few Clouds covering it.
That version of Kirin was incomplete, and I don't think Kishi had the idea for Kirin down yet.
Even then, Sasuke would have trouble even prepping it, since he can't go CS2 anymore he can't shoot great dragon flames powerful enough to produce thunderclouds, and if he tries to spam Amaterasu then he'll just go blind without his EMS. Not that we know what Sasuke's EMS does anyway.

[The 1st Hokage]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying we can't compare Tayuya's strength to Susanoo, since we don't know about it.

Yes, and I'm stronger than Susano'o because you don't know me and can't prove me wrong. :roll: In this case, absence of proof means proof of absense. But how do we know she didn't show her full extent of her strength in her and Shika's fight? We don't.

Because Shikamaru would also control the Susanoo, since Susanoo also has a shadow. Sasuke doesn't really care about Naruto, he just thinks of him as a nuisance. And we know absolutely nothing about Sasuke's version of Susanoo's armored form. And hatred is what made Sasuke even maintain it.

Does he really need the armoured version to win this though?
That version of Kirin was incomplete, and I don't think Kishi had the idea for Kirin down yet.
5char

[megabbaut]

Yes, and I'm stronger than Susano'o because you don't know me and can't prove me wrong. In this case, absence of proof means proof of absense. But how do we know she didn't show her full extent of her strength in her and Shika's fight? We don't.
All we know about it is that it's enough to fight Shadow Possession. Just like the Sage mode and KN0 fusion where it's chakra was enough to resist Nagato's control. Does this mean that's all it can do? Of course not.

Does he really need the armoured version to win this though?
The real question is whether it'll even go up to that, or just start over incomplete due to lack of hatred.

[The 1st Hokage]

All we know about it is that it's enough to fight Shadow Possession. Just like the Sage mode and KN0 fusion where it's chakra was enough to resist Nagato's control. Does this mean that's all it can do? Of course not.


The real question is whether it'll even go up to that, or just start over incomplete due to lack of hatred.
That fact that Tayuya's strength just barely held off shadow strangle, proves there's no way she's even that strong.

[megabbaut]

That fact that Tayuya's strength just barely held off shadow strangle, proves there's no way she's even that strong.
How was that ''just barely?'' Shikamaru was the one who was having all the trouble restricting her, and after all that she she still had the strength to cut Shikamaru's head off with a kunai.

And the tree thing was kinda unfair, since Tayuya's back was turned and she let down her guard.

[The 1st Hokage]

How was that ''just barely?'' Shikamaru was the one who was having all the trouble restricting her, and after all that she she still had the strength to cut Shikamaru's head off with a kunai.

And the tree thing was kinda unfair, since Tayuya's back was turned and she let down her guard.
The tree(s) would of fell on Susano'o, and Susano'o would keep doing what it's doing. It's just that strong.

[megabbaut]

The tree(s) would of fell on Susano'o, and Susano'o would keep doing what it's doing. It's just that strong.
But Susanoo would've gotten crushed by Raikage.

[321zigzag3]

You are talking about the weakest Susanoo which was only bare ribs and spine which tanked Raikage's liger bomb if you recall.

[The 1st Hokage]

But Susanoo would've gotten crushed by Raikage.
Raikage only broke an Incomplete Susano'o rib.

[Kuromaki]

How was that ''just barely?'' Shikamaru was the one who was having all the trouble restricting her, and after all that she she still had the strength to cut Shikamaru's head off with a kunai.

And the tree thing was kinda unfair, since Tayuya's back was turned and she let down her guard.
Shikamaru only had trouble because he was lacking chakra and was trying to figure out a plan at the same time.

Oh well the tree still killed her. Susanoo would've brushed it aside, just like it smashed everything at the Kage Summit.

[megabbaut]

You are talking about the weakest Susanoo which was only bare ribs and spine which tanked Raikage's liger bomb if you recall.
Here it would also be the weakest Susanoo, since Sasuke doesn't have hatred.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Proof that Sasuke is supersonic? Even if he is, Sasuke is not even that fast while in Susanoo. And Shikamaru blitzed Hidan.

He was on par with A?

Chapter 463 page 1. Sasuke is clearly capable of hitting Raikage, as is A. That's more than enough proof that Sasuke's supersonic+

[megabbaut]

He was on par with A?

Chapter 463 page 1. Sasuke is clearly capable of hitting Raikage, as is A. That's more than enough proof that Sasuke's supersonic+
Dude, Raikage was only in V1. Suigetsu and Jugo also reacted to him. There are a number of people who can dodge Raikage in V1. V2 would be more impressive, but only Minato and RM Naruto were that fast to dodge him in V2.

[Shikamaru Nara]

So? Just because multiple people couldn't react to him doesn't mean that he's not any faster or slower.

[iDooom]

Still no counter for Kirin. What? Favorable weather? As I recall, it wasn't raining until after Sasuke shot up his fire dragon things. And there weren't many clouds. What do you mean by good weather?

[megabbaut]

Still no counter for Kirin. What? Favorable weather? As I recall, it wasn't raining until after Sasuke shot up his fire dragon things. And there weren't many clouds. What do you mean by good weather?
It was cloudy with a chance of rain.

So? Just because multiple people couldn't react to him doesn't mean that he's not any faster or slower.
You just contradicted yourself.
You indirectly said Sasuke was faster than A just because Sasuke reacted to him and A couldn't.

[Kuromaki]

Here it would also be the weakest Susanoo, since Sasuke doesn't have hatred.
He only needed hatred to help it reach that final state, it needed hatred to "mature" so its not like he needs it again.

If all else fails, Ammy ftw.

[megabbaut]

He only needed hatred to help it reach that final state, it needed hatred to "mature" so its not like he needs it again.
lol every time Sasuke used Susanoo it was when he had hatred.

Ammy gets blocked by either Gaara's sand or Kaiten.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

lol every time Sasuke used Susanoo it was when he had hatred.

Ammy gets blocked by either Gaara's sand or Kaiten.
Neji isn't fast enough to react to Ammy.

[iDooom]

lol every time Sasuke used Susanoo it was when he had hatred.

Ammy gets blocked by either Gaara's sand or Kaiten.
Neither is blocking it. Especially no kaiten.

[Kuromaki]

lol every time Sasuke used Susanoo it was when he had hatred.

Ammy gets blocked by either Gaara's sand or Kaiten.
Sasuke is already revenge-driven and full of hatred. by your logic he wouldn't be able to use it at all if he was acting like a Nice Guy here. He will use it if he needs to.

Neji can't react to it. Gaara reacting to it and blocking it in time is questionable.

Edit: Wth Gaara isnt even in this match, so no one blocks it.

[Uchiha Sora]

lol every time Sasuke used Susanoo it was when he had hatred.

Actually, Sasuke hates everyone in the hidden leaf village now. He wants to kill everybody in it. So if hatred is a factor, its making him stronger.

[megabbaut]

Sasuke is already revenge-driven and full of hatred. by your logic he wouldn't be able to use it at all if he was acting like a Nice Guy here. He will use it if he needs to.

Neji can't react to it. Gaara reacting to it and blocking it in time is questionable.

Edit: Wth Gaara isnt even in this match, so no one blocks it.
Yeah I was thinking of another thread.

How can Neji not react to it? He'll see it coming by the activity of Sasuke's chakra and he will realize that he is about to shoot something from his eyes, so he will know to use rotation right away.

[Kuromaki]

Yeah I was thinking of another thread.

How can Neji not react to it? He'll see it coming by the activity of Sasuke's chakra and he will realize that he is about to shoot something from his eyes, so he will know to use rotation right away.
When has Neji been able to do that to anticipate moves/

Besides, Rotation may or may not be able to block it.

[Super Sanin 3]

Full body blow could probably do it, i mean if the fire engulfs him he can shoot chakra out of all his chakra points. But he would lose chakra off that and probably still get injured

[megabbaut]

When has Neji been able to do that to anticipate moves/

Besides, Rotation may or may not be able to block it.
He anticipated deidara exploding? (277, 18)

I don't see why rotation would fail to block ammy.

[Kuromaki]

He anticipated deidara exploding? (277, 18)

I don't see why rotation would fail to block ammy.
The thing is ammy, or Susanoo arrows are too fast, even if he sees the chakra gathering what's it gonna do? They activate too quickly for him to be able to counter in time. Also, with Deidara's it was kinda obvious since he was blowing himself up. Chakra is gonna be going to Sasuke's eyes either way.

At some point, either Ammy is gonna burn through it or Neji has to stop spinning, and once he does, he gets hit by it. So it really doesn't matter if he can react to it or not, even though he most likely can't,.

[megabbaut]

The thing is ammy, or Susanoo arrows are too fast, even if he sees the chakra gathering what's it gonna do? They activate too quickly for him to be able to counter in time. Also, with Deidara's it was kinda obvious since he was blowing himself up. Chakra is gonna be going to Sasuke's eyes either way.

At some point, either Ammy is gonna burn through it or Neji has to stop spinning, and once he does, he gets hit by it. So it really doesn't matter if he can react to it or not, even though he most likely can't,.
Neji managed to divert a Kidomaru arrow that was 51+ meters away and was inside Neji's blind spot, so he can probably do the same to a Susanoo arrow. Let's take the Kidomaru arrows into consideration. The force of the arrows were so immense that it destroyed the forest as it was moving. Based on what we've seen of his Susanoo arrows, I'd go as far as to say that Kidomaru's arrows are actually more efficient in force, speed, and accuracy.

We see that in a very enervated state, Neji was able to exert so much chakra around him (without using Kaiten), that he was able to change it's trajectory so as to avoid any vital spots. Now with Kidomaru, the reason Neji was unable to dodge them completely was because of Kidomaru's abilities. He had the ability to stay back (out of the range of Neji's Byakugan's range) and directly control the arrow's trajectory to go right into Neji's only blindspot. Neji had no way of knowing exactly where the arrow was coming from, and that's the reason why the arrows were able to hit him. With Susanoo, Sasuke doesn't have these abilities. He just activates it and fires it straight on. Neji will know exactly where it's coming from, and having more chakra and skill than he did in season 1, be able to divert Sasuke's arrows. If Sasuke spams the arrows he's going to miss a few of them due to MS blindness.

As for Ammy, If Neji stops spinning when he's blocking it, it will be repelled, just like how it repelled Naruto's shadow clones when they were all over Kaiten. Also, it takes time for Ammy to take effect. Sasuke's eye always bleeds when he is about to use it, which will give Neji time to react.

The thing is, no one really knew about Deidara's abilities other than Naruto and Kakashi.

[Kuromaki]

The thing is, Neji needs to be close to do anything, so once he's in range. he gets shot.

All of a sudden Neji knows what he's gonna do? And Ammy isn't like clones.. Nor can Neji continuously rotate to avoid each and every attack.

277 page 17... Kakashi tells everyone that Deidara uses explosives. He was getting all fat and blowing up too, it was pretty obvious.

[megabbaut]

Well not really because he just has to wait until Sasuke run out of chakra from Susanoo spamming arrows and goes blind (EMS is banned) Which would be relatively easy since Susanoo won't be able to move due to Shadow Possession. If it tries to fight the technique, Choji will keep it in place by grabbing it and holding it still. With his massive size it won't be a problem.

He just has to use Kaiten for Ammy... If he spams Ammy he's going to miss (blindness)

[Phoenix Wright]

Hmm........
Hmmmmmmm..............
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Despite the conditions against them, I'm sort of confident team SRA can take this. Neji's pretty underrated to be honest so, even he won't be useless, I'm sure even Chouji will have his moment. Kiba and Akamaru do pretty well too.

Team Taka get destroyed, the only one who remains after that is Sasuke and with the team effort, SRA takes him out in the end.

Remember, only SM is banned, Naruto still has Kage Bunshin, Rasengan, FRS(meh). He still has signed the summoning contract too, Kuchiyose isn't out of the question.

Naruto already used Kage Bunshin in conjunction with Henge and he worked it into his plan multiple times, so with mass Shadow Clones there's no way Sasuke's Susano'o Arrows would be useful, then there's the boss summons Naruto could have spam the field.

Through Kage Bunshin they can pretty much avoid any Susano'o arrows, and like Itachi(or any MS user) they're not gonna sit in their Susano'o wasting all their chakra while the opponent sit idly by letting them wait it out.

There's the whole Amaterasu thing but it shouldn't do much, I don't remember where it said Naruto was incapable of moving.

Let's debate Kuro. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/112hqmv.png

[Kuromaki]

When I saw above post I was like. DUDE. NO.

Regardless of clones, how are they fast enough to dodge Ammy, Susanoo , etc? Sasuke is faster than all of them after all.

Then there's CS2 Jugo and it's gonna be hard to damage him in that state, Karin for the healing, Suigetsu who's also hard to harm.

Edit: @Mega Sasuke wouldn't just sit in Susanoo or spam moves if no one on the other team was even close enough to hit. Shadow Possession is too weak to control Susanoo itself, Sasuke sure, but Shikamaru lacks the power to control both.

[Super Sanin 3]

Do you count fillers in the anime?

[Kuromaki]

Fillers are a part of the anime.

[Super Sanin 3]

IMO Sasuke outclasses all of them in speed, that added with the skill he has with his sword, plus his hax ninjutsu could probably take 3 on 1 currently in the anime. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't he manage to catch genjutsu when he was fighting the raikage's team? If he does that here each can probably go 1-on-1 while Sasuke takes 2 (considering Kiba/Akamaru as 1 unit here) Don't forget how fast he switched to susano'o and used an arrow on kakashi, he needed MS to survive. He's too OP here, especially if Naruto can't go SM

[megabbaut]

Edit: @Mega Sasuke wouldn't just sit in Susanoo or spam moves if no one on the other team was even close enough to hit. Shadow Possession is too weak to control Susanoo itself, Sasuke sure, but Shikamaru lacks the power to control both.
Which is why Choji will assist in holding Susanoo in place. One major thing here is that Susanoo itself is not very mobile as all sasuke does is stand there and scream. I am pretty sure gentle fist users have said to been said to pack a punch in their attacks. I believe if neji concentrate all his chakra control in his blows he could penetrate that defense.

We've seen that Danzo can bypass Sasuke's Susanoo with only 2 Futon ninjutsu, so there is a slight possibility that Neji can penetrate it if he focuses all of his chakra and force into one area at point blank range. It obviously won't open a huge hole like Danzo did lol, but I think might be able to reach Sasuke.

IMO Sasuke outclasses all of them in speed, that added with the skill he has with his sword, plus his hax ninjutsu could probably take 3 on 1 currently in the anime. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't he manage to catch genjutsu when he was fighting the raikage's team? If he does that here each can probably go 1-on-1 while Sasuke takes 2 (considering Kiba/Akamaru as 1 unit here) Don't forget how fast he switched to susano'o and used an arrow on kakashi, he needed MS to survive. He's too OP here, especially if Naruto can't go SM
Kiba, Neji, Shikamaru, and Choji (in butterfly mode) can keep up with Sasuke's speed, given their own speed feats shown. As for Naruto, clone spam FTW.

Yes, but Kakashi is not a Hyuga. Kakashi doesn't have the ability to exert huge amounts of chakra from all of his pours to change the arrow's trajectory. Kamui was his only option, but that wouldn't be the case for Neji. Neji can constantly exert a very large amount of chakra on a large scale around him that can redirect the arrow and aid him in evading it. In the event that Neji was able to use Kaiten, I would say that Sasuke maintaining Susanoo would consume more stamina than Neji using Kaiten only for the duration of an arrow being fired. Don't forget that Sasuke can't fire arrow after arrow. It actually needs to be setup just like a normal bow and arrow. First Susanoo needs to form the arrow, then place it on the bow, pull the bow, then fire the arrow. Neji will have plenty of time to put some distance between himself and Sasuke between each firing of an arrow.

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Don't forget this is anime feats (no butterfly choji and doubtful he would use red pills)

Sasuke also maintained Susano'o for a long period of the Danzo fight, so it doesn't strain him where it's 1 arrow and it's over. Didn't Naruto in 0TK injure neji even with kaiten? Are there any good filler feats for Neji? Sasuke should be able to blitz most people on the other team, if Neji keeps using Kaiten on every attack Sasuke makes (i don't think he'd need Susano'o to attack Neji) he'll drain his chakra. A chidori current could probably keep Neji and probably Naruto at bay. It's debatable if Neji can break out of Tsukyomi too, even with the Byukugan. Again, i'm not sure about the filler feats of the characters, but Neji was easily caught by the Kisame clone (of 30% kisame :P), and i don't remember many people showing good speed feats on team 1 either. Kakashi barely reacted to the Susano'o arrow too, so it can't take too long to form.

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Choji just needs to go up to the green pill.


Sasuke only used Susanoo at the start of the fight, then after Danzo talked trash about Itachi, he used Susanoo again until Baku was defeated. That's not really maintaining it for long periods of time.

What happened was, Neji began a quick Rotation for the purpose of directly countering Naruto's Kyubi enhanced strength. Now lets review the significance of this. Naruto's standard punches have been know to contain quite a bit of force behind them. Now his strength is ampified by his Kyubi chakra, and Naruto was running towards Neji at full speed, building his momentum and drastically increasing his strength even further. Neji only used a partial rotation (he didn't have time to complete a full one), and used that bult up speed and force to increase the strength of a normal slash with his Kunai. It's force was perfectly even with Naruto's, as they were both sent flying by the shockwave of the explosion. Also, Kaiten surpasses Gaara's sand in terms of defense (101, 8) And Gaara's sand itself blocked Amaterasu and Raikage's lightning infused kick.

As for speed feats, Kiba blitzed Naruto and managed to get behind Sakon/Ukon, Neji blitzed Naruto, reacted to all his clones, got to Kidomaru to use 64 palms before Kidomaru could detach the thread, and covered 51+ meters and caught Kidomaru before he hit the ground after sending his chakra through a web, Shikamaru avoided Tayuya's puppets and blitzed Hidan who kept up with Kakashi, and Choji managed to get away from that Asura missile long enough for Kakashi to use Kamui.

Neji only has to use Rotation for Ammy, and Ammy can't be spammed. Even then, Neji has shown to be able to spam Kaiten in the Neji vs Neji fight. (265, 3)

But the thing about Neji is that he can expel huge amounts of chakra from virtually any point of his body. Chidori Nagashi might not work, if Neji blows away the current of Raiton chakra with his Full Body Blow technique, that could be a good counter to Chidori Nagashi.

As for Tsukuyomi, as we all know you need to look into the opponent's eyes to activate it, and the Byakugan does not percieve the actual surface of the object it is looking at. Instead, it percieves the the inside of the object and analyses it's chakra. Because of this, an activated Byakugan cannot stare directly into a Sharingan eye. As a result, an activated Byakugan cannot be inflicted with a Sharingan Genjutsu. I'm not talking about Genjutsu in general. However a skilled Hyuga would still be very resistant to non-Sharingan Genjutsu. Byakugan can scan not only the caster's chakra, but scan the entire area in a very large area and with great clarity. Because of the chakra abnormalities with Genjutsu, a Byakugan will instantly notice when a Genjutsu is activated. Also due to the Juken fighting style, a Hyuga has complete and total control over his/her chakra flow. Manipulating their own chakra flow to disrupt a genjutsu would generally be pretty easy for a skilled Hyuga. So basically, a Hyuga is invulerable to Sharingan Genjutsu, and resistant to normal Genjutsu.

Chapter 100 page 6.
Chapter 193 page 12.
No eyes.

EDIT: Now that people are starting to realize that MS isn't as advantageous over the SRA as they think, Sasuke might not be able to solo all of them after all.

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Wait before i continue are we allowed to use jutsu after the anime?

With the susano'o arrow, it's actually pretty fast to setup. It moved in a straight line, perfect for a sharingan, yet kakashi barely managed to kamui it and was amazed at its speed. That combined with its piercing property might be able to get past his rotations. Don't forget that Kakashi's on of the people who got to neji before he ran full speed to kill/injure Hinata. That being said, it's probably just as easy for speedsters to do what Neji did against Kidomaru, since Sasuke reached Naruto almost instantly in Part 1. I thought full body blow only destroyed the web when he used it? I mean the stream covers a much larger area. Sasuke also was moving faster than the eye could see him with itachi (if that's what it was indicating). Neji would have to get up close to do any real damage, and since Susano'o has good activation time, it could easily crush him with its bare fists instead of the bow and arrows

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When I saw above post I was like. DUDE. NO.

Regardless of clones, how are they fast enough to dodge Ammy, Susanoo , etc? Sasuke is faster than all of them after all.

Then there's CS2 Jugo and it's gonna be hard to damage him in that state, Karin for the healing, Suigetsu who's also hard to harm.

Edit: @Mega Sasuke wouldn't just sit in Susanoo or spam moves if no one on the other team was even close enough to hit. Shadow Possession is too weak to control Susanoo itself, Sasuke sure, but Shikamaru lacks the power to control both.
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/lmao.gif Nice.

Thing is, there's gonna be a lot of clones so Susano'o wouldn't be a problem since the arrow can't "slice" like something like Totsuka to get rid of very many clones, and as for Amaterasu, it doesn't just start off engulfing all of the clones.

So once one gets hit/disperses or even if a few do, Naruto would get the knowledge of it(especially if the clones are near the one getting hit), they can move out of the way or at least call off the clones.

Plus wouldn't clones disappearing get rid of the Amaterasu, if they were hit by it and it didn't spread to the ground I mean.

Since there's the whole matter of the other team, they still have the entirety of the SRA on their side, so with the combined effort they should be able to take out Juugo, and like I said Naruto still has his rasengan(and the rest of SRA to back him up) so they should be able to finish off Juugo, same with Suigetsu and Karin.

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Wait since this is anime only Neji can use his 128 Palms and Mountain Crusher abilities `:P

Nah Neji won't use Rotation for the arrows, he'll just use the same tactic he did against Kidomaru with the strategy I explained earlier. Kakashi stopping Neji was pre time skip and Neji has advanced during the timeskip along with everyone else. That being said, Naruto wasn't fighting back when Sasuke got to Naruto, and that was because Naruto was exhausted from KN4, along with Sakura who got hurt in the process. Sai and Yamato were the only ones who were doing anything, because they had their full strength. Full Body Blow got Neji out of that Water Prison from Kisame, so it can probably dispel elemental ninjutsu like Chidori Stream. Itachi kept up with Sasuke as if it was nothing, he even blitzed him and took his eye out. If Neji gets close to Sasuke and his Susanoo is out, then like I said putting all his chakra control in his blows should get through it or his mountain crusher.

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But he probably wont be able to use 128 palms, maybe mountain crusher though.

I guess for the sake of the argument we'll say Susano'o arrows can be blocked like that, since it'll get us nowhere. What i meant by that was to show he also has speed, since in the beginning of Part 2 everybody was gasping as his speed (even yamato). I'm not using the current as an offense but more of a defense/distraction. (I thought that was all a genjutsu with itachi btw?) How i picture this: Neji comes it to attack Sasuke in CQC (pretty IC for Neji right?). But whoops, he hit the armor/bones of a Susano'o. He then looks up and he's like Oh Cra- before he gets crushed instantly by its fist. Can he use mountain crusher close range?

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But he probably wont be able to use 128 palms, maybe mountain crusher though.

I guess for the sake of the argument we'll say Susano'o arrows can be blocked like that, since it'll get us nowhere. What i meant by that was to show he also has speed, since in the beginning of Part 2 everybody was gasping as his speed (even yamato). I'm not using the current as an offense but more of a defense/distraction. (I thought that was all a genjutsu with itachi btw?) How i picture this: Neji comes it to attack Sasuke in CQC (pretty IC for Neji right?). But whoops, he hit the armor/bones of a Susano'o. He then looks up and he's like Oh Cra- before he gets crushed instantly by its fist. Can he use mountain crusher close range?
Well it's not really IC for Sasuke to start out in Susanoo when he completely hates his opponent lol. Here's my scenario: Sasuke lashes in with his sword (that's what he did in every fight until the Kage Summit) But Neji dodges and Sasuke gets 64/128 palm'd. Sasuke tries to use a jutsu but he can't because he realizes his chakra points are blocked then Neji uses Mountain Crusher and Sasuke dies. But really the only part in the anime where Neji used Mountain Crusher when in close range, so yeah he can use it in close range.

As for speed:

There's nothing basic about Neji's Taijutsu. Even in the event that Sasuke is able to physically avoid Neji's Juken attack, even those missed strikes will cause severe damage. That's what makes Juken so dangerous. Sasuke won't be able to pull off the moves he used on Kakashi (who wasn't even atempting to attack back), being that even when Neji is not on the offensive, the chakra he emits can damage Sasuke. Think of it as a similar principle to when Naruto used his Biju Cloak against Sasuke in their battle before Shippuuden. Although Sasuke was able to read both Naruto's physical movements, as well as the movements of the chakra itself, he had difficulty avoiding both. Neji isn't whipping out any huge chakra arms lol, but when in close range, Neji can attack with his chakra without having to physically gesture in the same way his chakra is moving. Sasuke simply has no chance in close range at all.

Neji's reflexes are exactly what is portrayed in his 128 Palms. He doesn't just magically become super fast upon activating the technique. One's body must be capable of achieving that speed on it's own, before such a jutsu can even be attempted. We plainly see Neji dodging without Juken at the same speed of his normal Juken jutsu when he fought Kidomaru. It is certainly "speed". It would make no sense at all for Neji to be sluggish, then upon activating a single Taijutsu techique he suddenly becomes impossibly fast. Juken techniques don't involve any of the same principles as Lee's Taijutsu. Lee must release the 1st Gate to push his body beyond it's limit to access the speed and physical strength needed for his Omote Renge. However, Juken is just a normal Taijutsu assault. It doesn't involve any unique internal supliments that manually increase the user's speed and/or reflexes. I am not saying that Neji's Shunshin is as fast as his 128 Palms attack. What I am saying is that Neji's standard reactive timing and reflexes are certainly of that level. Let us not forget that even as far back as the Chunin exams, Neji was fully capable of directly engaging Naruto while using the Kyuubi Chakra. In that state, Naruto was able to easily overwhelm Sasuke, whereas Neji fought toe-to-toe with Naruto in both speed, and force. The only reason why Sasuke was able to turn the tables at that point was because of his PNJ that caused him to very convenienty just evolve his Sharingan out of no where. We see that Naruto while using the Kyuubi chakra (not a full tail) against both Neji and Sasuke, Neji was able to fight evenly with Naruto and match him in speed and react to all of his moves. However, Sasuke struggled immensely to even keep up with Naruto's speed. This means that Neji was certainly much faster than Sasuke in the entire Season 1. The feats are there, they simply aren't as exaggerated as Sasuke's speed feats. Speaking of which, let us examine Sasuke's speed in Shippuuden. We saw that Deidara, a character that has shown absolutely no talent in Taijutsu nor shows any form of impressive speed, was able to avoid every one of Sasuke's attempted speed-blitzes. We saw that Suigetsu was able to easily get behind Sasuke with his own Shunshin, and Sasuke was unable to react. Suigetsu is yet another who can be said to lack any significant feats in speed. I'm not suggesting that Suigetsu is faster than Sasuke at all, but this is merely an example to show that merely because one does not have any "feats" in speed, does not instantly make Sasuke faster. Also let me point out that Naruto was capable of effortlessly catching Haku while in his Kyubi state. Naruto used this exact form to combat Neji, yet Neji matched Naruto in every way. Haku's speed was almost instantaneous when he traveled from mirror to mirror, yet Naruto captured him with ease, not only dodging Haku's attacks. Yet Neji can match this speed without any suppliments whatsoever. So yeah, Sasuke doesn't outclass Neji in speed by any means. And just as fruit for thought, Kakashi, someone who knows Sasuke's fighting style better than anyone (during Season 1) and trained with him, blatantly stated that Sasuke wouldn't stand a chance against Neji.

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Well it's not really IC for Sasuke to start out in Susanoo when he completely hates his opponent lol. Here's my scenario: Sasuke lashes in with his sword (that's what he did in every fight until the Kage Summit) But Neji dodges and Sasuke gets 64/128 palm'd. Sasuke tries to use a jutsu but he can't because he realizes his chakra points are blocked then Neji uses Mountain Crusher and Sasuke dies. But really the only part in the anime where Neji used Mountain Crusher when in close range, so yeah he can use it in close range.

As for speed:

There's nothing basic about Neji's Taijutsu. Even in the event that Sasuke is able to physically avoid Neji's Juken attack, even those missed strikes will cause severe damage. That's what makes Juken so dangerous. Sasuke won't be able to pull off the moves he used on Kakashi (who wasn't even atempting to attack back), being that even when Neji is not on the offensive, the chakra he emits can damage Sasuke. Think of it as a similar principle to when Naruto used his Biju Cloak against Sasuke in their battle before Shippuuden. Although Sasuke was able to read both Naruto's physical movements, as well as the movements of the chakra itself, he had difficulty avoiding both. Neji isn't whipping out any huge chakra arms lol, but when in close range, Neji can attack with his chakra without having to physically gesture in the same way his chakra is moving. Sasuke simply has no chance in close range at all.

Neji's reflexes are exactly what is portrayed in his 128 Palms. He doesn't just magically become super fast upon activating the technique. One's body must be capable of achieving that speed on it's own, before such a jutsu can even be attempted. We plainly see Neji dodging without Juken at the same speed of his normal Juken jutsu when he fought Kidomaru. It is certainly "speed". It would make no sense at all for Neji to be sluggish, then upon activating a single Taijutsu techique he suddenly becomes impossibly fast. Juken techniques don't involve any of the same principles as Lee's Taijutsu. Lee must release the 1st Gate to push his body beyond it's limit to access the speed and physical strength needed for his Omote Renge. However, Juken is just a normal Taijutsu assault. It doesn't involve any unique internal supliments that manually increase the user's speed and/or reflexes. I am not saying that Neji's Shunshin is as fast as his 128 Palms attack. What I am saying is that Neji's standard reactive timing and reflexes are certainly of that level. Let us not forget that even as far back as the Chunin exams, Neji was fully capable of directly engaging Naruto while using the Kyuubi Chakra. In that state, Naruto was able to easily overwhelm Sasuke, whereas Neji fought toe-to-toe with Naruto in both speed, and force. The only reason why Sasuke was able to turn the tables at that point was because of his PNJ that caused him to very convenienty just evolve his Sharingan out of no where. We see that Naruto while using the Kyuubi chakra (not a full tail) against both Neji and Sasuke, Neji was able to fight evenly with Naruto and match him in speed and react to all of his moves. However, Sasuke struggled immensely to even keep up with Naruto's speed. This means that Neji was certainly much faster than Sasuke in the entire Season 1. The feats are there, they simply aren't as exaggerated as Sasuke's speed feats. Speaking of which, let us examine Sasuke's speed in Shippuuden. We saw that Deidara, a character that has shown absolutely no talent in Taijutsu nor shows any form of impressive speed, was able to avoid every one of Sasuke's attempted speed-blitzes. We saw that Suigetsu was able to easily get behind Sasuke with his own Shunshin, and Sasuke was unable to react. Suigetsu is yet another who can be said to lack any significant feats in speed. I'm not suggesting that Suigetsu is faster than Sasuke at all, but this is merely an example to show that merely because one does not have any "feats" in speed, does not instantly make Sasuke faster. Also let me point out that Naruto was capable of effortlessly catching Haku while in his Kyubi state. Naruto used this exact form to combat Neji, yet Neji matched Naruto in every way. Haku's speed was almost instantaneous when he traveled from mirror to mirror, yet Naruto captured him with ease, not only dodging Haku's attacks. Yet Neji can match this speed without any suppliments whatsoever. So yeah, Sasuke doesn't outclass Neji in speed by any means. And just as fruit for thought, Kakashi, someone who knows Sasuke's fighting style better than anyone (during Season 1) and trained with him, blatantly stated that Sasuke wouldn't stand a chance against Neji.
Dang i knew a wall of text was coming, but guess i gotta start somewhere.

But why isn't it IC to start with susano'o if he hates his opponent? I'm not saying he's gonna start in it just it IS n option if he needs defense. (he didn't really have Susano'o until the kage summit). Since he pretty much hates everybody from Konoha now i say it's likely he'll use Susano'o in this fight. Don't forget Sasuke probably has knowledge on gentle fist, so i doubt he would go CQC. Neji CAN be caught off guard (Kisame stll got him, which shouldn't happen with those reflexes). Don't forget Sasuke's Raiton katana, which he is proficient at using (the stance he uses could also be a dead give away that he's about to do something too). His speed feat over the time-skip was stressed on, because he was that much faster (Sakura barely noticed it). It's exactly why he went to Orochimaru, power. Also in the Deidara fight, wasn't Deidara pretty much out running them after taking a beating(he also had no arms either). Why didn't neji do his 64-palms instead of his empty palm? I mean he was heading right for him. Sasuke was so fast he got to him seemingly instant in the anime (stressing on his speed again). If Sasuke did use Susano'o when Neji tries hitting him, i doubt he's gonna be able to figure out what happened and be able to dodge it before Sasuke crushing him with a susano'o punch.

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Dang i knew a wall of text was coming, but guess i gotta start somewhere.

But why isn't it IC to start with susano'o if he hates his opponent? I'm not saying he's gonna start in it just it IS n option if he needs defense. (he didn't really have Susano'o until the kage summit). Since he pretty much hates everybody from Konoha now i say it's likely he'll use Susano'o in this fight. Don't forget Sasuke probably has knowledge on gentle fist, so i doubt he would go CQC. Neji CAN be caught off guard (Kisame stll got him, which shouldn't happen with those reflexes). Don't forget Sasuke's Raiton katana, which he is proficient at using (the stance he uses could also be a dead give away that he's about to do something too). His speed feat over the time-skip was stressed on, because he was that much faster (Sakura barely noticed it). It's exactly why he went to Orochimaru, power. Also in the Deidara fight, wasn't Deidara pretty much out running them after taking a beating(he also had no arms either). Why didn't neji do his 64-palms instead of his empty palm? I mean he was heading right for him. Sasuke was so fast he got to him seemingly instant in the anime (stressing on his speed again). If Sasuke did use Susano'o when Neji tries hitting him, i doubt he's gonna be able to figure out what happened and be able to dodge it before Sasuke crushing him with a susano'o punch.
Why would Sasuke have knowledge of gentle fist? He never saw Neji fight once, or any hyuga member for that matter. Neji was caught off guard at that time because Guy ordered him to along with his teammates, so he thought Kisame wouldn't be able to counter it. Neji can block that Raiton Katana with Kaiten to throw Sasuke off. I'd even say that Neji would not actually require Kaiten to actually block his blade. But assuming Neji is forced to use Kaiten for it, I think it can certainly block a Chidori enhanced Kusanagi blade. The Rotation itself would be the problem. Because of it's constant high-speed movement, once Sasuke's blade touches it, I think it would be impossible for his sword to pirece it. Think of it as a samurai sword being swung against a huge stationary chainsaw. The sword can't really focus it's piercing power on one spot because the area of attack is constantly replacing itself with chakra due to the nature of Kaiten. If it was just a normal still wall of chakra, then yeah Sasuke wouldn't have a problem getting threw it. But since this wall is constantly rotating a very high speeds, I think the physics of it would give Sasuke trouble. As for Deidara, Neji used his Empty Palm so that Tenten could shoot her weapons at him (which missed). He also did the same thing to Kisame. As for Susanoo, Neji would see it coming with his Byakugan how his chakra is behaving. Karin even made a note of how Susanoo disturbs Sasuke's chakra.

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Why would Sasuke have knowledge of gentle fist? He never saw Neji fight once, or any hyuga member for that matter. Neji was caught off guard at that time because Guy ordered him to along with his teammates, so he thought Kisame wouldn't be able to counter it. Neji can block that Raiton Katana with Kaiten to throw Sasuke off. I'd even say that Neji would not actually require Kaiten to actually block his blade. But assuming Neji is forced to use Kaiten for it, I think it can certainly block a Chidori enhanced Kusanagi blade. The Rotation itself would be the problem. Because of it's constant high-speed movement, once Sasuke's blade touches it, I think it would be impossible for his sword to pirece it. Think of it as a samurai sword being swung against a huge stationary chainsaw. The sword can't really focus it's piercing power on one spot because the area of attack is constantly replacing itself with chakra due to the nature of Kaiten. If it was just a normal still wall of chakra, then yeah Sasuke wouldn't have a problem getting threw it. But since this wall is constantly rotating a very high speeds, I think the physics of it would give Sasuke trouble. As for Deidara, Neji used his Empty Palm so that Tenten could shoot her weapons at him (which missed). He also did the same thing to Kisame. As for Susanoo, Neji would see it coming with his Byakugan how his chakra is behaving. Karin even made a note of how Susanoo disturbs Sasuke's chakra.
I'm sure Kakashi told him, is there any reason he wouldn't? They were both in the third part of the chuunin exams so why leave out the details? The kisame thing still shows that Neji could easily be caught off guard in mid-air,a chidori spear would end it there. Sasuke also had more variety added to his fire and lightning style to keep Neji guessing, sooner or later he'll know how rotation works. If it's a raiton blade, I doubt Neji can block that without Kaiten, i mean a blade by itself is hard to overcome if you're using your hands, since you can't block it. Like above, Sasuke will sooner or later know he trick to his rotations, maybe even seeing it once(his sharingan could also possibly help him). Shouldn't he have used 64/128 palm on Deidara, to make it GG? The Susano'o DOES disturb his chakra, but it's after he already uses it. It won't help him much if he sees it right next to Sasuke

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I'm sure Kakashi told him, is there any reason he wouldn't? They were both in the third part of the chuunin exams so why leave out the details? The kisame thing still shows that Neji could easily be caught off guard in mid-air,a chidori spear would end it there. Sasuke also had more variety added to his fire and lightning style to keep Neji guessing, sooner or later he'll know how rotation works. If it's a raiton blade, I doubt Neji can block that without Kaiten, i mean a blade by itself is hard to overcome if you're using your hands, since you can't block it. Like above, Sasuke will sooner or later know he trick to his rotations, maybe even seeing it once(his sharingan could also possibly help him). Shouldn't he have used 64/128 palm on Deidara, to make it GG? The Susano'o DOES disturb his chakra, but it's after he already uses it. It won't help him much if he sees it right next to Sasuke
Well they weren't matched up against each other. Kakashi actually told him about Gaara's sand. Even so, you think he'd remember everything about Gentle Fist for 3 years when he's never even seen it? Chidori spear can be dodged. Neji would save his Kaiten for Ammy since his other fire jutsu are easy to dodge and he only has like 3 Chidori variants including the original Chidori but not including Kirin which takes too much prep and Neji wouldn't let him prep it anyways. Knowing Neji's taijutsu that blade probably won't even touch him, I mean look at how he dodged Naruto's shadow clones and Kidomaru's webs. And don't even get me started on 128 palms. And no Sharingan only predicts movements and cast genjutsu, that's it. Actually when Sasuke used that genjutsu on C that's when Karin stated that his chakra was dark.

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Well they weren't matched up against each other. Kakashi actually told him about Gaara's sand. Even so, you think he'd remember everything about Gentle Fist for 3 years when he's never even seen it? Chidori spear can be dodged. Neji would save his Kaiten for Ammy since his other fire jutsu are easy to dodge and he only has like 3 Chidori variants including the original Chidori but not including Kirin which takes too much prep and Neji wouldn't let him prep it anyways. Knowing Neji's taijutsu that blade probably won't even touch him, I mean look at how he dodged Naruto's shadow clones and Kidomaru's webs. And don't even get me started on 128 palms. And no Sharingan only predicts movements and cast genjutsu, that's it. Actually when Sasuke used that genjutsu on C that's when Karin stated that his chakra was dark.
Why wouldn't he remember it? Neji was a competitor for the 3rd, he needed to know his abilities, and Sasuke's not the type of person to forget those details, heck if i was in his place and knew i could possibly fight him even I would remember. I don't see how he could dodge the spear in midair either, nor his other fire styles. Since prep is given, if Neji gets far enough from sasuke he'll get killed by Kirin, so no backtracking for him. Sasuke also dealt with Naruto's mass shadow clones. So far Neji's been lacking great feats in shippuden. If Neji's gonna start his stance and Sasuke decides to stat his Susano'o, Neji's in trouble. I'm not saying Sasuke's soloing them 1 or anything, just his shippuden feats speak for themselves, he should be able to handle his own against neji.

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Yeah The Susano'o Creates a purple fire that he is inside where there is no shadow on him. So the shadow possesion would be completly useless. And Naruto distracting Sasuke will happen and all but Jugo can take down Shikamaru after beating Neji. And Suigetsu could easily beat Kiba/Akamaru. Not to mention that Karin can heal Team Taka. So in my opinion Team Taka wins.:D This is just my opinion o.o Don't get angry at me.

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Why wouldn't he remember it? Neji was a competitor for the 3rd, he needed to know his abilities, and Sasuke's not the type of person to forget those details, heck if i was in his place and knew i could possibly fight him even I would remember. I don't see how he could dodge the spear in midair either, nor his other fire styles. Since prep is given, if Neji gets far enough from sasuke he'll get killed by Kirin, so no backtracking for him. Sasuke also dealt with Naruto's mass shadow clones. So far Neji's been lacking great feats in shippuden. If Neji's gonna start his stance and Sasuke decides to stat his Susano'o, Neji's in trouble. I'm not saying Sasuke's soloing them 1 or anything, just his shippuden feats speak for themselves, he should be able to handle his own against neji.
Well Sasuke couldn't even remember when he first started team 7 and he called Sakura annoying he didn't remember any of that she had to remind him. You don't really need to know the abilities of a competitor if you're not even going to fight him lol. Neji dodged some Kidomaru kunais in the air (195, 6) so he should be able to dodge a chidori spear in the same scenario. Why would he be in the air anyway? Kirin can be avoided if Neji airpalms Sasuke, because he will lose his concentration and will have to start over. Even so, Sasuke can't even use Kirin in this fight unless the whether is favorable. Kirin take a massive amount of set-up, hell if it's a sunny day who says that Sasuke can call on it like he did during his fight with Itachi? Sure it always happens to strangely rain during or after Sasuke fights but whose to say the weather will be in his favor? Just saying that people can't say he automatically bust out Kirin because he CAN'T! Hell he needed Itachi's flames to set it up as well and since he can't use EMS it's take an extreme amount of luck or weather changing power for Sasuke to pull it off. Sasuke was caught by a sneak attack by the clones, whereas they didn't even touch Neji.

Yeah The Susano'o Creates a purple fire that he is inside where there is no shadow on him. So the shadow possesion would be completly useless. And Naruto distracting Sasuke will happen and all but Jugo can take down Shikamaru after beating Neji. And Suigetsu could easily beat Kiba/Akamaru. Not to mention that Karin can heal Team Taka. So in my opinion Team Taka wins. This is just my opinion o.o Don't get angry at me.
Purple fire? What..?
No, Susanoo has a shadow as well.
479 you can see it when Susanoo is digging its hand into the Ground.
Sasuke's shadow is part of Susanoo's one.

[Super Sanin 3]

Well Sasuke couldn't even remember when he first started team 7 and he called Sakura annoying he didn't remember any of that she had to remind him. You don't really need to know the abilities of a competitor if you're not even going to fight him lol. Neji dodged some Kidomaru kunais in the air (195, 6) so he should be able to dodge a chidori spear in the same scenario. Why would he be in the air anyway? Kirin can be avoided if Neji airpalms Sasuke, because he will lose his concentration and will have to start over. Even so, Sasuke can't even use Kirin in this fight unless the whether is favorable. Kirin take a massive amount of set-up, hell if it's a sunny day who says that Sasuke can call on it like he did during his fight with Itachi? Sure it always happens to strangely rain during or after Sasuke fights but whose to say the weather will be in his favor? Just saying that people can't say he automatically bust out Kirin because he CAN'T! Hell he needed Itachi's flames to set it up as well and since he can't use EMS it's take an extreme amount of luck or weather changing power for Sasuke to pull it off. Sasuke was caught by a sneak attack by the clones, whereas they didn't even touch Neji.
He just didn't care about team 7, it didn't really concern him. He said he wanted to fight strong people during the 3rd test's preliminary (66/14) and there wouldn't be much time to train on how to fight gentle fist DURING the tournament. Since he only used Kirin that time i'll rule it out as well. Also the sneak attack is an ability the Byakugan grants, doesn't mean he's faster. This is all also Pre-Skip. BTW i think it was Izuna's first post (at least on the BG)

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He just didn't care about team 7, it didn't really concern him. He said he wanted to fight strong people during the 3rd test's preliminary (66/14) and there wouldn't be much time to train on how to fight gentle fist DURING the tournament. Since he only used Kirin that time i'll rule it out as well. Also the sneak attack is an ability the Byakugan grants, doesn't mean he's faster. This is all also Pre-Skip. BTW i think it was Izuna's first post (at least on the BG)
Well since I've countered basically everything I think I'll claim my victory and leave.

[Super Sanin 3]

Of course...

[Kuromaki]

http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/lmao.gif Nice.

Thing is, there's gonna be a lot of clones so Susano'o wouldn't be a problem since the arrow can't "slice" like something like Totsuka to get rid of very many clones, and as for Amaterasu, it doesn't just start off engulfing all of the clones.

So once one gets hit/disperses or even if a few do, Naruto would get the knowledge of it(especially if the clones are near the one getting hit), they can move out of the way or at least call off the clones.

Plus wouldn't clones disappearing get rid of the Amaterasu, if they were hit by it and it didn't spread to the ground I mean.

Since there's the whole matter of the other team, they still have the entirety of the SRA on their side, so with the combined effort they should be able to take out Juugo, and like I said Naruto still has his rasengan(and the rest of SRA to back him up) so they should be able to finish off Juugo, same with Suigetsu and Karin.
The clones vanish with like one punch, they're really weak durability wise, why couldn't a Susanoo arrow just pierce through them? Sasuke can just swipe at them with Susanoo hands or use the incomplete Susanoo sword on them, if he needs to.

Oh yeah Ammy disappears when it fully burns the target, it wouldn't be wise for Sasuke to use Ammy on a bunch of clones. But he can use it on Naruto's teammates, or the original Naruto, assuming there aren't any clones that could take the attack.

Plus there's the issue of speed and yeah, they can take out the other Taka members with their combined efforts eventually, but then there's Sasuke and he's a powerhouse all by himself.
Well since I've countered basically everything I think I'll claim my victory and leave.
Aww, I guess I rubbed off on you a bit http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series3/2z7exox.png

[Phoenix Wright]

The clones vanish with like one punch, they're really weak durability wise, why couldn't a Susanoo arrow just pierce through them? Sasuke can just swipe at them with Susanoo hands or use the incomplete Susanoo sword on them, if he needs to.

Oh yeah Ammy disappears when it fully burns the target, it wouldn't be wise for Sasuke to use Ammy on a bunch of clones. But he can use it on Naruto's teammates, or the original Naruto, assuming there aren't any clones that could take the attack.

Plus there's the issue of speed and yeah, they can take out the other Taka members with their combined efforts eventually, but then there's Sasuke and he's a powerhouse all by himself.

Aww, I guess I rubbed off on you a bit http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series3/2z7exox.png
Because they're not all just bunched in a line for Susano'o Arrows to rip through, and the arrow isn't on the ground so it has to curve too it won't straight pierce through all of them. There's gonna be a crapload of clones, Susano'o arrow would just take out a few at a time and it'd be pointless to just spam over and over to take out the useless clones that just keep coming back.

Susano'o arms would be the most effective method but even then he'd have to swat at them but since there's so many, even 20+ at a time wouldn't make much of a difference, plus it's not like all the clones are gonna be huddled around Susano'o so the hands gotta reach too.

I said about the Henge for that reason, Naruto already put it into his battle plan a bunch so it's definitely not OoC for him to do it here, all his clones are split up evenly about appearance into the rest of the SRA Squad, Sasuke shouldn't be able to tell who to hit.

Yeah that's the thing with the clones, all he needs is a handsign and then the conditions are set, even with just the other teammates alone, like I said Naruto's there too and there's definitely no doubt about barrages of Rasengan and all the clones with rasengan and the rest of Naruto's jutsu being able to take out Juugo...and, the rest comes afterward in due time.

[Super Sanin 3]

Eh is it really IC for Naruto to have all his clones use a rasengan? I think chidori nagashi could keep most of them back, plus with raiten needles ect. Can't you hit more than 1 thing with amaterasu? Like when itachi was chasing sasuke with it he set a good amount of trees on fire.

[Kuromaki]

Because they're not all just bunched in a line for Susano'o Arrows to rip through, and the arrow isn't on the ground so it has to curve too it won't straight pierce through all of them. There's gonna be a crapload of clones, Susano'o arrow would just take out a few at a time and it'd be pointless to just spam over and over to take out the useless clones that just keep coming back.

Susano'o arms would be the most effective method but even then he'd have to swat at them but since there's so many, even 20+ at a time wouldn't make much of a difference, plus it's not like all the clones are gonna be huddled around Susano'o so the hands gotta reach too.

I said about the Henge for that reason, Naruto already put it into his battle plan a bunch so it's definitely not OoC for him to do it here, all his clones are split up evenly about appearance into the rest of the SRA Squad, Sasuke shouldn't be able to tell who to hit.

Yeah that's the thing with the clones, all he needs is a handsign and then the conditions are set, even with just the other teammates alone, like I said Naruto's there too and there's definitely no doubt about barrages of Rasengan and all the clones with rasengan and the rest of Naruto's jutsu being able to take out Juugo...and, the rest comes afterward in due time.
In that case, Susanoo can swipe at them once they come in range. Makes it much easier for sasuke once he realizes that arrows are less efficient. Jugo firing lasers and crap, Suigetsu just wasting people's chakra with Hydration, etc.

Henge is a good strategy though.

@SS3 - Well ammy can spread, but it stops burning once it fully incinerates the target, unless Sasuke wants to make it harder on himself then he wouldn't spam it on clones that keep coming back. Plus he can take them out with simpler fire jutsu like Fireball, he doesn't need to go to such extremes to take out clones, and he knows.

[Super Sanin 3]

How does henge jutsu exactly work? Seems you can escape any attack at times >.>

[Phoenix Wright]

Nonnonoo henge is transformation, Naruto already used it in his fight with Kiba, in the forest of death, fight with Deva Pain, he uses Henge in conjunction with Kage Bunshin all the time so that's not a problem, it's totally IC and believable Naruto would do that.

Oh yeah it's pretty IC to do clones+rasengan, he did that a lot, against Kyuubi too.

Anyway @Kuro, The thing is the clones really wouldn't go in range, Sasuke won't waste Susano'o unless it's absolutely necessary, there's no need to waste any chakra or life force and if he stays in Susano'o for the whole match he'll be drained fast, Naruto and team can attack how he wants after that.

You gotta remember to keep in mind there's hundreds of clones on the field assisting, so it won't be as simple as Jugo using lasers and winning or Suigetsu not being hit and winning. He'll have to fend against not only hundreds of clones at once but the original members of the team and all of their jutsu, so will Karin and even Suigetsu, he'll get exhausted eventually it's not like infinite intangibility. Plus Suigetsu will have to individually fight these guys and with hundreds of clones out(or thousands) it'll be too tough for just him to do much especially when he's constantly on his guard.

Yeah like I said Henge and Kage Bunshin is pretty believable and IC so I don't think there's any doubt he'd do that.

[Super Sanin 3]

Ah that one nvm, but why here? Since he can't use their abilities it should be easy to tell them apart. Nevertheless i still don't understand substitution `#(

[Phoenix Wright]

Well they don't have to use their abilities, it's just where Sasuke won't know who's who, plus even if they do and Sasuke sees them they're gonna still be mixed in with the plenty of clones so there's really no way of knowing.

Oh yeah well Substitution is basically switching places, the wiki explains it pretty spot on actually.
This jutsu lets the user quickly switch places with another nearby object, such as a plant (normally a section of a log), an animal, or even another person within reach, the moment an attack hits.
Through chakra it looks like the attack hit when you really just go out of the way through shunshin or something like that and put something else there. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, but chakra is used for a lot of it since it's not just running, cutting a tree, and putting it back, and I don't remember if it was canon but they used the dirt in the ground too.

[Super Sanin 3]

So they use substitution for shuriken but not their best move? :|

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So this thread is still alive, eh?
Eh is it really IC for Naruto to have all his clones use a rasengan? I think chidori nagashi could keep most of them back, plus with raiten needles ect. Can't you hit more than 1 thing with amaterasu? Like when itachi was chasing sasuke with it he set a good amount of trees on fire.
Well in the third shippuden movie Naruto used multi shadow clone jutsu and each of them used rasengan on Hiruko... which was a bad option since Hiruko just absorbed it like it was nothing.

Edit: Everyone is bloodlusted by default, since the OP didn't specify the state of character so this doesn't really matter.

[Super Sanin 3]

But i thought everybody was IC still by rules?

EDIT: Ahh this is movies as well?

[Phoenix Wright]

So they use substitution for shuriken but not their best move? :|
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/i-dunno-lol.jpg
Ask Kishi. >_>

[megabbaut]

But i thought everybody was IC still by rules?

EDIT: Ahh this is movies as well?
Anything that's in the anime is allowed.

[Kuromaki]

Anyway @Kuro, The thing is the clones really wouldn't go in range, Sasuke won't waste Susano'o unless it's absolutely necessary, there's no need to waste any chakra or life force and if he stays in Susano'o for the whole match he'll be drained fast, Naruto and team can attack how he wants after that.

You gotta remember to keep in mind there's hundreds of clones on the field assisting, so it won't be as simple as Jugo using lasers and winning or Suigetsu not being hit and winning. He'll have to fend against not only hundreds of clones at once but the original members of the team and all of their jutsu, so will Karin and even Suigetsu, he'll get exhausted eventually it's not like infinite intangibility. Plus Suigetsu will have to individually fight these guys and with hundreds of clones out(or thousands) it'll be too tough for just him to do much especially when he's constantly on his guard.

Yeah like I said Henge and Kage Bunshin is pretty believable and IC so I don't think there's any doubt he'd do that.
yeah okay, I agree Sasuke wouldn't use Susanoo unless it was necessary, but once he does GG :P

Jk, fireballs can take out clones in huge amounts, and Sasuke already showed that he can blitz them prettymuch. Jugo's laser takes out a lot of clones too, and he has monstrous stamina.

[Phoenix Wright]

yeah okay, I agree Sasuke wouldn't use Susanoo unless it was necessary, but once he does GG :P

Jk, fireballs can take out clones in huge amounts, and Sasuke already showed that he can blitz them prettymuch. Jugo's laser takes out a lot of clones too, and he has monstrous stamina.
Oh yeah Katon could do something. Except Naruto's clones can move, it probably can't take them out in huge amounts, plus they can just dodge it anyway(or the ones that aren't right in front of the initial) blast.

It's not as simple as "Juugo uses his laser and Sasuke uses fireballs" because even if they could take out 50+ clones at a time which obviously isn't the case, that's a miniscule amount to the amount that a chakra monster Naruto is pumping out nothing but clones.

I mean you saw what he could do in chapter 1, those were just clones and nothing else and a chapter one Naruto, this is when Naruto isn't wasting his chakra on super max FRS spam and STILL pumping out a good hundred+ clones.

And this Part 2, much much stronger Naruto, he should be able to handle Juugo with the clones alone as well as his entire team to back him up. Then there's Sasuke which his only good chance(s) are pretty much Fireballs and Goryuuka and Chidori Eisou and basically stuff like that, but there's gonna be such massive amounts of clones it won't mean much.

The rest of SRA Squad is gonna be there too, it won't exactly be a walk in the part for team SRA but it's not gonna be "fireball and cannons etc take out clones while Sasuke proceeds to beat the team".

[Super Sanin 3]

Still 0TK mass cloned against Kimimaru and he effortlessly owned them, the clones do have the tendency to be fodder and probably won't get many good hits on the team (hydration/brute strength/chidori nagashi/ect.)

[iDooom]

How is this thread still going? Jugo, Suigetsu, and Sasuke blitz. Naruto no sm sucks, the rest are fodder.

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How is this thread still going? Jugo, Suigetsu, and Sasuke blitz. Naruto no sm sucks, the rest are fodder.
Shadow Possession. followed by:
Rasengan.
Fang over fang.
Human boulder.
64 palms.
GG.

Next time try to read all the prev posts to make sure your point hasn't already been countered.

[Phoenix Wright]

Still 0TK mass cloned against Kimimaru and he effortlessly owned them, the clones do have the tendency to be fodder and probably won't get many good hits on the team (hydration/brute strength/chidori nagashi/ect.)
Kimimaro is BA though, he's capable of fodderizing the clones. Unfortunately Naruto got a lot stronger than back then(despite the already>Lee in taijutsu Kimimaro) and despite their tendency to be fodder, this is a VS fight where they'll actually make a difference.
How is this thread still going? Jugo, Suigetsu, and Sasuke blitz. Naruto no sm sucks, the rest are fodder.
So thousands of clones definitely don't play any factor, Rasengan, FRS, Odama Rasengan, yeah no SM Naruto sucks.

[Super Sanin 3]

Just had a thought that if they protect Karin they'll know which is which `!:)(i think she can tell chakra apart?)
Honestly it shouldn't be too hard if they just seperate. I can picture it too: his senbon taking 20 at a time, chidori nagashi owning them if they decide to pile at once, his katana taking a lot of them too (he's not bad with a katana either, like i said in another post weapons should matter in taijutsu), Juugo with brute strength. I'm actually half-half on this fight though

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Just had a thought that if they protect Karin they'll know which is which (i think she can tell chakra apart?)
Nope. Each one was able to separate their chakra equally. Even the Byakugan couldn't tell the difference. I doubt Karin could.

[Super Sanin 3]

I meant more seeing who's an ally to Sasuke, like being able to tell where his teammates are. Though i think it's unneeded since their abilities are easy to point out (hydration, the curse mark, Sasuke's lightning style ect.)
But i still think Naruto has a chance since it seems his speed has become a lot better, just we don't see him in base too much

[Kuromaki]

actually, 10 minutes prep? All toad summons?

O_o

[Super Sanin 3]

Eh in this particular case if Naruto mass clones the toads will probably hit most of the clones. Susano'o + Ammy is super effective vs boss summons

[Kuromaki]

Eh in this particular case if Naruto mass clones the toads will probably hit most of the clones. Susano'o + Ammy is super effective vs boss summons
Yes indeed

But at that point, there'll be so many targets, so many people and summons running around. Plus I'm sure that if he does summon, they'll take care not to hurt the people they're fighting for.

I still believe that sword swipes from an incomplete Susanoo would be ahuge help in this, it takes out tons of clones regardless, while at the same time it could be attacking the real ones.

However, Sasuke would run out of chakra quickly by doing that. Plus the boss summons. yeahh.

[Super Sanin 3]

Wait Sasuke's Susanoo has a sword?

[Kuromaki]

Yeah in the Kage Summit you can see it has a sword (the skeletal version, idk if the armored one does)

[iDooom]

Shadow Possession. followed by:
Rasengan.
Fang over fang.
Human boulder.
64 palms.
GG.

Next time try to read all the prev posts to make sure your point hasn't already been countered.
No counter for blitz. Yes non sm naruto sucks, no reaction feats and no genjutsu resistance. Naruto is blitzed. Kiba is blitzed. Neji is blitzed. Etc. And boss summons are left standing as they are the only ones able to react. Or ammy+susanoo spam destroys them.

[megabbaut]

No counter for blitz. Yes non sm naruto sucks, no reaction feats and no genjutsu resistance. Naruto is blitzed. Kiba is blitzed. Neji is blitzed. Etc. And boss summons are left standing as they are the only ones able to react. Or ammy+susanoo spam destroys them.
Rofl. Everyone dodges. Sasuke can't even blitz Deidara, and Deidara doesn't even specialize in speed. And he actually counterattacked the 2nd time. So if he can't blitz Deidara, he sure ain't blitzing anyone here. The sad thing is, he's supposed to be faster than Jugo and Suigetsu.

Bring down the house destroys little Susanoo. Ammy is blocked by kaiten. Spam would make Sasuke blind, since there's no EMS.

[Phoenix Wright]

See guys, look what Kuromaki did. Just like the old days. Why can't everybody else be like that? Well I do know the answer. Because they're prideful bastards. Who will go to the most retarded lengths not to say "I am wrong".

And no, Base Naruto doesn't suck, I was pretty sure he kept up with Deva Path so I'll go look for that. Naruto summons(lol) 4,000 clones which he definitely has the capability of doing, and takes out the other team through them, he gets knowledge when each disperse for whatever reason so it just helps out.

Rasengan in single wipe out people in one shot, the other team gets destroyed and Sasuke will be the only one left so they move on and finish.

[Sasuke726]

:cool::cool::cool: this thread doesnt die 4 longer than a week.

[megabbaut]

See guys, look what Kuromaki did. Just like the old days. Why can't everybody else be like that? Well I do know the answer. Because they're prideful bastards. Who will go to the most retarded lengths not to say "I am wrong".
And then the wanking argument would never exist.

[iDooom]

See guys, look what Kuromaki did. Just like the old days. Why can't everybody else be like that? Well I do know the answer. Because they're prideful bastards. Who will go to the most retarded lengths not to say "I am wrong".

And no, Base Naruto doesn't suck, I was pretty sure he kept up with Deva Path so I'll go look for that. Naruto summons(lol) 4,000 clones which he definitely has the capability of doing, and takes out the other team through them, he gets knowledge when each disperse for whatever reason so it just helps out.
Yes he does suck, no he did not keep up with deva. Prove he can summon 4000 clones.
Rasengan in single wipe out people in one shot, the other team gets destroyed and Sasuke will be the only one left so they move on and finish.Rasengans don't need to be dodged. They blitz all the clones and kill the others.

[Phoenix Wright]

Rasengans don't need to be dodged. They blitz all the clones and kill the others.
How do they blitz 4,000 people as fast as Deva Path while none of them are firstly that fast at all and secondly only like 4 people total?

[Super Sanin 3]

And wasn't Naruto exhausted after using up SM as well?

[iDooom]

How do they blitz 4,000 people as fast as Deva Path while none of them are firstly that fast at all and secondly only like 4 people total?
They are not as fast as Deva and yes one person can destroy an army. I forgot the chapter and page where Sasuke fights tons of fodder sound ninja the other page where Suigetsu fought more fodder. Cs2 chakra lasers would help a lot too.

[Phoenix Wright]

They are not as fast as Deva and yes one person can destroy an army. I forgot the chapter and page where Sasuke fights tons of fodder sound ninja the other page where Suigetsu fought more fodder. Cs2 chakra lasers would help a lot too.
First, yes they are. Second, "fodder sound ninja"? Yeah Naruto is sort of a main character leaf ninja, I don't see how they're related. You go step on 1,000 ants doesn't mean you can beat 1,000 people.